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Hypothesizing the Hypothetical

Sometimes a 5-2 loss can really get the best of you.  And by that I mean, you can't stop thinking of solutions.  In a post-game report Coach Therrien said he wasn't worried about the loss or the team's losing record on the road, although players like Brooks Orpik seem to be more concerned about shaping up before the playoffs.

So when I say solutions I mean, hypothetical situations.  And by hypothetical I mean - hell, let's just fill a day in between games.

Here is the situation: Ryan Whitney.  Killer93 proposed the idea last night in the game's open thread and I'd just like to reiterate it here and see what others may be thinking.

Talks of Hossa seem so overdone and moot at this point, but I'm merely bringing it up because, as you all may very well know, he's set to be a free agent come July 1.  

I'd like to think the Pens will consider his level of play before signing him for what I like to call the 'name' factor, but if this option was presented, how would you feel?

Would you trade/release Ryan Whitney for cap space to keep Hossa?

Consider everything.  And if you don't know what everything may consist of, I've listed a few things for your consideration.

Ryan Whitney
Whit was a minus-3 last night, and one may even say the single reason for at least two of the Rangers goals.  He did rack up an assist though, which merely puts him at 24 on the season.  With only nine games remaining it's highly unlikely Whitney's 36 points will come anywhere near last year's career-high 56.  This is not only disappointing on a production sense, but from a financial viewpoint this guy was upped to five mil in the offseason to more or less become a franchise defenseman.  

Marian Hossa
He came to the team at the deadline and was out for 10 days before you could blink an eye.  Although not career-altering, Hossa does have a slight history of knee injuries that have left him sidelined for significant periods of time.  On the plus side, one look at him bolting down the ice and you wouldn't know it.  On a downside, one tap on his knee could put him down for a while.

Again I ask: would you consider dropping Whitney to clear space in hopes of signing Hossa to a Whitney-like contract?  Keep in mind the Pens still need to negotiate with (deep breath) Fleury, Orpik, Malone, Conklin, Ruutu, Laraque, Roberts, Dupui, Eaton and perhaps even Malkin in the offseason.  It's almost painful to say, but unless the front office can work some miracles the Pens can expect to see at least one of these guys hittin the road.  I'd venture to say that Roberts will retire and the Pens may have given up hope on Mark Eaton with his recurring injuries.  Unless, of course, he can be had for a cheap price.

As Killer93 mentioned yesterday, the Penguins have a formidable depth in the defensive core with players like Goglioski and Lannon.  Evidence of Kris Letang's success this season proves that the WBS system can breed blueliners.  Scuderi, Letang, Gonchar, Sydor and Gill will be sticking around, so one or two more guys on D is about the extent of it.

Have at it.

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What would you use the extra money for?  Signing on the UFAs like Orpik and Fleury, or would you shop the market for another big-name, potentially high-priced winger?

by FrankD on Mar 19, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

that the way the management is going they would lean more toward the UFAs (though maybe not Orpik because he's supposedly not always on their good side). Shero has been pretty honest about the fact that he wants to keep their young core together.

They have Malone coming up this summer as well as Roberts, Hossa and Fleury, plus they need to start working on Malkin and probably Staal.

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/pi... (That's where I got my info, I'm not 100% sure if it's accurate.)

I read in The Hockey News someone who wanted them to get rid of Gonchar to make cap space, but Whitney's performance this year makes him a way better candidate to me.  Although I really like Gonchar, and that is definitely influencing my decision.

If Hossa can't be signed I would still think about trading Whitney to look for a winger for Sid, or at least a more physical blueliner.

by Dayna on Mar 19, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

I use this as my source for cap info: http://www.nhlnumbers.com/

Probably the same, accurate info...

Anyways - trading Gonchar is conditional on whatever it is the Pens are looking to do.  Do they still want a scoring blueline?  Then don't touch Gonch.  But if they're looking to stock it up with some muscle, perhaps leaving the scoring to the front lines, then ditching Gonch for a bigger D-man or re-signing Orpik would seem more fitting.

In either case, I really feel Gonchar is a huge part of that first power play unit and would best serve the team if he stayed.  

If Whitney is going to stay with the team then the productivity is going to have to increase tenfold.  He let Avery blow right by him the other night and even ditched a bad pass off to Malone that resulted in an overtime goal from that guy Sjornstrom (sp?).  That's a 3-2 game right there instead of the 5-2 beat-down.

But I digress with the coulda, woulda, shoulda of Tuesday's loss and move on to...

Who can we expect to leave on July 1?

Roberts strikes me as someone who is a guarantee.  He's retired once before from injuries, only to come back because of his infatuation with the game.  Something tells me that if the Pens weren't in the race for a serious playoff run, then he'd have retired already.  He might be able to hit hard and work wonders in fistacuffs, but you'll have to keep up with the younger, faster skaters too.

by FrankD on Mar 19, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What

do you think will happen with the goalie situation? I think that resigning Fleury will be a priority, but beyond that, I don't know.

Both Sabourin and Conklin are UFAs and we do need a backup, do you think the Pens will sign either of them?  Both? Neither?

We need a backup on the bench, and a third goalie somewhere in case of injury.  So, someone needs to be assigned to WBS, it seems. I'm thinking we might see a few changes in net over the summer, definitely if Sabourin and/or Conklin sign somewhere else.

by Dayna on Mar 20, 2008 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

Sabourin is as good as gone.  The Pens will re-sign Fleury because it's more than evident he'll turn into a franchise goaltender.  Some may think he's taking a while to find his play, but he's also only 23-years-old.  17/18 year old starting goalies like Tommy Barasso don't make it so easy in the NHL anymore.  

They may hang on to Conklin but chances are they won't be able to afford him.  Honestly, his play was flattering during his ten-game streak and has hardly even raised an eyebrow as of late.  If he can be had for the cheap the Pens will most likely take him.  But when you consider how long it took him to 'make it' in the league, he's probably not going to settle for low numbers.  He drew enough attention this year to find a home with a team that really needs so goaltending help.

The Pens are considered to have a strong goaltending system building up in the farm leagues.  John Curry is the goalie for WBS and has been named player of the month on an occasion this season.  Similar to Whitney, he went to Boston College and if I'm not mistaken even played on the same team as him.  Although he didn't play all THAT much - he started as a walk-on third stringer.  By the time he got the starting role in 2004/05 I'm pretty sure Whit was either in his last year or on his way to the NHL.

David Brown is also considered a decent netminder.  He's spent some time with Wheeling and on a few occasions WBS.  Both he and Curry were at the prospect camp at the start of the season.  Curry drew a bit more attention than Brown and hence got the nod at WBS over Brown.  In any case, they seem to be formidable players for the future.  It wouldn't hurt to let a back-up like Sabourin go or a potential starter like Conklin.  They seem to be ok in the net.

(PS - sorry this came out so long, I didn't intend to)

by FrankD on Mar 20, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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