Pensburgh Free Agent Open Thread - PT 2

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:11 PM EDT in News Comment 98 comments

Preach on.

Today's news

Winner selected at random for the Jack Falla - Saved contest (screen shot of winner here)

Hossa to Wings - One year, $7 million. - Bash away. -

Malkin extension - 5-year deal, rumored $8.7 million per year (officially signed, no value yet)

Jarkko Ruutu to Senators - Three years, $3.9 million

Brooks Orpik extension - 6-years, $22.5 million

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I’ll start

Hossa should rot in hell.

Zetterberg – Datsyuk – Hossa should be illegal.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

One Year Deal?

that seems really odd, why would the Wings sign him for such a short term when he could just leave again, its not like theyre missing anything, they won the Cup…..and for that matter why would Hossa only want a one year deal, theres not much security in that.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 2, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think they’ll need to re-sign Zetterberg next year – may need the money.

And I hate him. I definitely hate him.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right, but for Hossa side, why would he only sign for one year, his value will never be higher than it is right now; he dispelled all his post season myths and looked great almost the entire time he was with the Pens, so it doesnt really add up to why he would turn down multiple 50 million dollar deals.

This is very peculiar…and quite a blow after the let Malone go

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 2, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah – I see your point. Perhaps he’s just looking for a Cup and he feels that it’s his best shot to get one.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I read somewhere ....

It was his idea to do a one year deal b/c he has a lot of respect for the RedWings organization, and he feels he’ll have equal value next year when he’ll be 30.

Seems strange to me, maybe he never like Pittsburgh, theyre the younger team and as such, should compete at least as long, if not longer, than the Wings who are slightly older.

This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but seeing as the Thrashers used the Pens 1st rounder on a guy from a Junior B team, its not so bad i guess.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 2, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve got a lot of respect for where he can stick his respect for the Red Wings.

But maybe I’m just bitter.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They want another one. Repeat.

It just kills me to think he thought , “Hmm maybe Detroit” before he even left the ice for Game 6.”

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes ur right hes needs to rot for a long time but again like i said lets make the line combos of Jagr-Crosby-Naslund and then sign Demitra to play wing with Sykora- Malkin-Demitra then will have a 3rd line of Dupuis-Staal-Talbot

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What's Next?

So now that Hossa is out of the picture what is next? Obviously we will continue to try and lock up Orpik and maybe sign Jagr, but who else is out there? Could we (would we want to?) get into the Sundin race?

by WoodrowWilson on Jul 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well Hossa is out for a year, that’s certain. Sundin – I don’t want him. (but that’s me)

Orpik is apparantly, if you can believe it, talking to Detroit also.

Jagr seems like a healthy and viable option.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Orpik goes to Detroit, I’m going to cry.

Bring hockey back to Louisville!

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can’t believe they’d have the room. But I guess you do when you stock up on D, have 2 (now 3) solid forwards, and a two-way forward like Franzen.

Then there’s always Osgood, the mediocre goaltender who backs it all up. That right there is how you can afford it.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way on the Sundin pic he wants 10 mil a season

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe this can be that “Remember where you were” kind of moment.

Where were you when Hossa signed with the Wings and stabbed every Pens fan in the back?

I was in a meeting, received a text message and excused myself to go to the bathroom, where I proceeded to text back “WHAT THE F” before returning to the remaining 20 minutes of my meeting

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Honestly

Any other team would’ve been fine. Maybe not Philly, maybe not New York – but DEFINITELY not Detroit.

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pens are in serious talks with Naslund and They are talking to Jagr but also are considering Demitra in more of a 2 to1 swap for Hossa and maybe a 3 to 1.

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where did you read that?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 2, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya I agree heavily frank thats one of the reasons I said I hope we get back there again just to beat the $hit out of Hossa

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stabbed us in the back!!

Detroit!! Are you freaking kidding me!! What an ass!

by hockeyjenn on Jul 2, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tell me about it

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It really does sting.

Bring hockey back to Louisville!

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dunman, is it wrong of me to feel like I’ve been cheated on?

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If it is, then we’re both wrong.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’ll be sorry when the Pens raise the Cup!

by hockeyjenn on Jul 2, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be so beautiful. He left Pitt to go to Detroit, then the following year Pitt takes Detroit in the Finals. That would just be hilarious. If I were Sid I’d hold it in front of Hossa and be like “You can look, but no touchy.”

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sean Avery is out of our conference for four years! Finally, something bright!

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah – Dallas. Prick.

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya thats what im saying then Jagr retires and Hossa begs to come back to pitt, then we all piss on him.

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That’d be odd – to gain a reputation as a guy that always signs with the previous year’s Cup winner.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But never wins it himself.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We really are bitter about this. I want to see him hit the ice for the first time in Pittsburgh next season.

Bring hockey back to Louisville!

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pittsburgh signs Tanya Harding to one-game, one-million deal.

“She’ll come up huge when Hossa comes to town” quotes GM Ray Shero.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha ha

by hockeyjenn on Jul 2, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the Stanley Cup were a dude, then Hossa is whore.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

more like a gold digger….Stanley don’t need Marian, but Marian’s chasing him….

by ahtrap on Jul 2, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

interesting

weird though, I’m not particularly excited by Hossa signing with the Red Wings….

I do like the one year deal though, it keeps the money open for next year when free agency might alter the Red Wings landscape.

Ok, Conklin, Hossa, who’s next? Orpik? Can you imagine three D-lines consisting of Lidstrom/Rafalski, Kronwall/Stuart and Lilja/Orpik? That would be ridiculous.

As for conklin, personally, I think he’s just following the rumors of who is going to get the next outdoor game….he played in the Edmonton one a couple of years ago….and didn’t he play against buffalo for the Pens? Wasn’t that when MAF was hurt? If the next one is Detroit-Chicago, I bet Osgood comes down with a mysterious inury the week before….

by ahtrap on Jul 2, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No offense, but I’m not sure this board is the safest place for an Wings fan right now. Good to see you again, though.

Bring hockey back to Louisville!

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I know ‘an’ should precede a word starting with a vowel – I’m just upset…and slightly stupid.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Grammer has no place in draft day

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

err…free agent day

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i’ve been checking in every few days since the season ended….decent site for a hockey fix, figure I might as well watch a potential dynasty in the making with the Pens….and then Frank’s giving away stuff, too…

apologies for the gratuitous Orpik remark above, that was just kicking a fanbase when it’s down….sorry!

by ahtrap on Jul 2, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I can’t complain – we’d probably be doing the same thing had you guys not won the Cup and gotten Hossa for a year.

Excuse me, please. I have to go vomit.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I would cry like a little girl if Orpik went to Detroit.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought the same yesterday. He wants to go 3/3 on outdoor games.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pens are looking at Dman Jason Smyth if Orpik don’t sign

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

He doesn’t get along with Crosby at all. That will certainly be an interesting situation

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As a Hawks fan...

I am rather disappointed in the news that Hossa is a Wing. Ugh.

by SCH on Jul 2, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seems like you share the same sentiments as everyone here and everyone on the Mile High Hockey thread.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way friends – welcome SCH. He’s been the Chicago Blackhawks blogger here on SBN for quite some time, and has returned from a slight medical hiatus to get back to doing what he loves.

Check out: http://www.secondcityhockey.com

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well amidst all this Hossa talk, the Penguins secured the 5-year deal with Malkin.

http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=367565

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I saw that too. I have to say that between Hossa and Malkin, I’d take Malkin any day. And I said that before Hossa ~~tore our hearts out~~ went to the Wings.

Bring hockey back to Louisville!

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't even know Detroit...

was really going hard for Hossa either. I figured he would end up in Edmonton after hearing the rumors yesterday.

by SCH on Jul 2, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think he actually wants to win games.

Nah, Edmonton wasn’t that bad this season…but still didn’t make the playoffs.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I expected Boston, to be completely honest.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Detroit was involved during the trade deadline and Hossa took the Pens over the Wings. Hmmm

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hossa to Detroit is like Moss to the Patriots

Totally unfair.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 2, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You said it.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

or CC to the Yankees.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 2, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think that’ll happen. They would’ve done it by now – or at least before the All-Star break

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there’s still a week to go before the break….

by ahtrap on Jul 3, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True – and now I’m reading that Pettitte may have to appear in court with regards to the whole Clemens thing, and miss some time off the mound. So if it turns out to be the case, then maybe – just maybe the Yankees won’t waste anymore time and go after The Sabbath.

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by FrankD on Jul 3, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ruutu went to the Senators.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

3 years, $3.9 mil.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just read that wow we keep doppin them but we aint signing anyone

by pittsburghkid on Jul 2, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

With Ruutu gone, I hope we keep Laraque.

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by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

honestly, and as entertaining as Laraque is, Ruutu is the better role-player

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah – that’s why I waited to see which one got signed/left first to make a call. It’s getting frustrating around here.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Drivin home – will check-in in a bit

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’ve got about an hour left here, then I’ll be doing the same – going to your home, that is.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Creep!

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by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m always watching.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

On vacation.

I’m sporadically checking my email and the free agent signings while on vacation this week. My initial reaction was WTF??! to the Hossa signing. I’m not sure why he would sign a one year deal, I don’t get it. I feel like my girlfriend just broke up with my and starting getting nice with my mortal enemy. . . talk about dejected.

by JDMaker1 on Jul 2, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly. That’s the best way of putting it.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Detroit

you know, I’m starting to think you Pens fans might hate the wings as much as us Avs fans.

But take solace in this. The Wings did dent the Cup at Chelios restaurant and now Hossa is a traitor who even turned down a 9 mil a year offer from Edmonton. The hockey gods won’t look to kindly on these turn of event.

InYoFace Hasek! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Jul 2, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Indeed – we are developing quite the hatred for Detroit. He’s not just in it for the money, but he’ll spend his entire career chasing the Cup and never winning it. I can’t wait till the Det/Pit regular season game.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully the gods will be quite spiteful.

by JDMaker1 on Jul 2, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brooks Orpik – 6 years – undisclosed amount

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Signed?

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by CBKWit on Jul 2, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jul 2, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pitt

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Found it

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242290&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_nhl

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jul 2, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/07/02/brooks_orpik/

yeah sorry, was in between something.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Outstanding news. Time for some more free candy.

by JDMaker1 on Jul 2, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Six years, $22.5 million

by JDMaker1 on Jul 2, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice and affordable. I was thinking 5-year 25…6 for less is even better

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pfeww

At least they kept one, rumor is Staals extension talks should begin later this month….so Hossa and Malone aside, no team in the league can compete with three incredibly talented young stars

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 2, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

except…maybe…Detroit

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great news

Finally a good surprise. It sounded like he might have been gone. Of course, before the news that Hossa may be staying got my hopes up, I never thought he’d stay.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jul 2, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was so close to winning! Ahhh!!!!!

Awesome on Orpik!

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 2, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was so far from winning…

I’m hoping for a Jagr deal now, or Naslund, or both.

I think Hossa better cross his fingers he has a good season next year, because I don’t think his price is going to go up. This is a bad move if he gets injured or doesn’t play well etc. 1 year deals are not optimal for young players like that.

Montreal or Pitt. are both contenders next year, and both had better offers on the table. He must really like Detroit.

Wish we would have offered Ruutu the three years, I wanted to see him back in Pitt.

by Dayna on Jul 2, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s just chasing the Cup from town to town. I don’t want him next year. Let him keep losing.

Jagr and Naslund would be suh-weet. Don’t forget we still have Fleury in arbitration and something has to be worked out with him.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True about Fleury, need to save cap space for that.

Naslund could be had for about half of what was being asked for Hossa. For about 9-million a season both Jarg and Naslund could be signed, plus Jagr’s would likely be a short deal (1-2 yrs) and next year Malkin and Staal are still under entry-level deals, so it could be affordable.

by Dayna on Jul 2, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Malkin and Jagr would actually work out well this year financially for that very reason you mentioned.

If Malkin is still on the entry deal, he’s not topping a mill. And Jagr, who remains uncertain with his career at this point, wants an option factored in wherever he goes. Sykora and Jagr are fairly close (Sykora rents Jagr’s apartment).

If Jagr wants to opt out next year – sweet. Because that is money that can open up for the Malkin deal without risking too much overheard. Naslnd would probably lock on for a year or two and gel with Sykora in no time at all (again).

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 2, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Neither deal, Naslund or Jagr seems to be a long term deal, just a year or two, which works well for the cap, but also for these guys. Both of them are probably getting close to retiring from the NHL. Enticing Jagr to come to Pitt. will be the most important part. Like someone said before, he still has a home there, he has ties there, he knows the ownership well (ok, Lemieux/Jagr… it was kind of an understatement). It can’t be all about the money, he could make a lot more in Europe and be closer to home, (and play a shorter, less physically demanding season) so I think part of the attraction of Pittsburgh is the fact that he knows the team and the city.

I was reading the Post-Gazette sports chat transcript and some of the people, and the guy answering the questions, all seemed really concerned about Jagr/Sid and Jagr’s potentially being a negative force in the locker room, but I’m not sure about that. Taunting that went on from him to Sid about diving is part of him playing up for the playoffs, and if they are seriously staring the Cup down next season I don’t think either of them are going to spend too much time complaining.

This seems like a good deal for Jagr, short deal, on his own terms, and a few final shots to make serious Cup runs to end his career. I’m hoping he’ll sign.

by Dayna on Jul 2, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Jagr/Sid thing was a concern of mine too because Jagr played second fiddle to Lemieux in the 90s, sucked on his own in Washington and was just a has-been by the time he hit New York (despite his 120+ pt season). Rangers fans have hated him since he’s hit the blueshirts and up until three days ago wanted him gone. But now that they have absolutely NO forwards, they’re begging him to stay.

FrankD from Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Jul 3, 2008 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how that works. I hated him until I heard that he might be coming back, and with so much rage aimed at Hossa currently, I’ve found myself far more willing to accept Jagr.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 3, 2008 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs