Should the NHL ban fighting?
Yesterday we watched as Pierre and Mike the two lovable broadcasters from NBC argued over the place of fighting in the NHL. Personally i started bleeding from the eardrums as soon as Pierre Mcguire starting speaking. Fighting belongs in the NHL . Its a way for the game to attract fans, and it keeps the Sean Avery's and Colton Orr's of this world honest. If those broadcasters argue like that every weekend its no small wonder that NBC has terrible ratings for the NHL.. But anyway enough of my ranting heres the poll:
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It might attract some fans but it may deter others. The beauty of the NHL is that when two guys face off and drop their mitts it’s a mutual understanding that they are about to settle their differences. If fighting is banned from the NHL, and the opportunity to unload tension is not available, then guys like Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin etc. run a chance of being on the receiving end of cheap shots and dirty hits. As it stands now, if Crosby gets a punch to the face in the corners or a high stick/chop across the wrists, that other team’s player knows Godard or Bissonnette are only one shift away from making them regret it. Not having fighting will more than likely pose as a bigger danger to players than keeping it in the game because at least now they know it’s coming.
That’s my take, up for further argument/dispute of course, so have at it friends.
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I agree, hands down, fighting is part of the game and keeps the dirty birds in check. Just throwing it out there, listening to Fan 960 the other day as said subject was discussed and it was said that rising insurance premiums for players/teams or events are going to eventually stop the fighting and not the league itself.
About attracting fans
Why do you think a lot of people watch football? violence. The violence of hockey rivals that of football. Fighting is something that football doesn’t have, it should be used as a weapon in advertising in that respect. When I went to my first pro hockey game at age seven. My mite team and I chanted for a fight all night long. People love the fights.
But unlike football, hockey has grace. Sure, there are majestic moments in football, but for the most part it’s two lines of people running into one another while one person chucks a ball at another person, then play stops, they line up again and repeat.
Fighting in hockey is a strategic point of the game. It’s more than just two people getting pissed at one another and duke it out. There are rules to it and a code that many of them follow. As corny as it sounds, it’s deep.
I don’t think banning fighting would bring people to the game. I don’t think fighting keeps them away. All banning it would do is put guys like Eric Godard and George Laraque out of a job, and get star players hurt more with hard hits. It would probably piss off the core base as well.
Sure, it may be a rough stretch, but at least it's okay to like Jaromir Jagr again.
Plus, do any of you really want the NHL bringing in NBA and MLB fans to the sport? That’s what the league is thinking of when they talk about banning fighting.
I don’t care that hockey is less popular than baseball, I’d rather not compromise the game I love to suit hypocrites that are too good to watch a sport that allows fighting on television, but have no problems with R movies.
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by JonHaven on Jan 21, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think football is necessarily the top sport just for violence. Not to turn down football in any way, but hockey fans tend to be a bit more loyal to their team because there’s that whole difference of what – 66 games? Not to mention hockey playoffs are best of seven. For all intents and purposes a hockey team’s playoff run can be equivalent to that of an entire football team’s season.
So perhaps convenience is also an aspect in attraction to a sport. Every Sunday at either 1 or 4 pm (plus the occasional Monday) you can say you cheer for a team you like for three hours until you have to rinse and repeat for the following Sunday/Monday. Again, not knocking football fans, but I know a few guys who say hockey is meaningless because “everyone makes the playoffs.” But as you know, that one 2-1 loss or two overtime losses can be the difference in playing hockey past April or an early offseason.
Just a thought…
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Maguire's reasoning
included a guy in the OHL that died from a fight. If my memory serves me correctly… this is the first time it’s EVER happened.. yea a few guys have had their career ended due to a fight… but there are more players that have their careers ended to clean checks than fights… why not just take checking out of the game as well…
Hell, there have been more fans killed during games due to pucks flying in the stands than people killed during a fight.
If you get a chance I’d recommend everyone give the book, “The Code: the unwritten rules of fighting in the NHL” a good read. It basically breaks down the who/what/when/where/why and how of a fight. It also provides a little insight into the infamous “Bertuzzi incident,” as well as McSorley/Brashear. Some of it gets a bit wordy at times and seems like it’s written as sheer filler, but within the first 100 pages I guarantee it will change your outlook on fighting entirely.
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That case was all over the Canadian news recently (at least around here). James Duthie (the host of TSN’s hockey programming) blogs for the Ottawa Citizen and wrote about it http://tinyurl.com/9vxo5j I thought it was a pretty good blog post – it kind of balances what I think about this issue. Fighting shouldn’t be banned, but people have been calling for the rules to be looked at and evaluated for years – and it shouldn’t take a 21 year old dying for that to happen. (I also think that the NHL should take a look at the OHL’s headshot rules, because they still have a physical game, but, I think, a lot safer one because they have really cracked down on head shots.)
Dozens of kids have died in snow sledding accidents. We should probably push congress to ban the sale of all sleds too.
Pierre Maguire is a loser.
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by JonHaven on Jan 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see why the argument has to be between banning fighting and leaving it exactly how it is though – why can’t there be room for a middle ground? That’s all I was suggesting – that the rules be reevaluated, that data from other leagues be considered – to see what the full impact on the league of any decision may be. That doesn’t mean the rules necessarily have to change – but I don’t see any harm in assessing whether or not there is a way to maintain the competitiveness while at the same time increasing safety.
It’s the same as with your sledding example. It’s true, kids die every year in sledding accidents, that’s why in the city where I live we have 50+ city approved and maintained hills for sledding, where you can be assured that the hills aren’t icy, or near a road or whatever. It doesn’t mean all the risk is gone, but there’s no harm or foul in taking advantage of a safer option. Why would we ban something when we had the option to continue to enjoy it in a safer way?
There’s a reason that Pierre McGuire gets the bitch work of sitting between the benches and telling the viewers how many minutes it takes Chris Osgood to get from the tunnel to the ice.
He likes watching Chris Osgood’s legs?
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by JonHaven on Jan 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Have you SEEN those legs? Perfectly sanded stilts they are…
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I wouldn’t say it draws the fans as much as it does police the game from a team vs team stand point. I’m sure some show up to games, me included, hoping to catch a scrap, but where it stands in the game is when players take offense to an action against a cheap shot, that was either out of line or not called, or the occaisional fight to set a tempo right off the puck drop.
I say it belongs in the sport because it’s truly a great way to establish leadership and to show how dedicated you are to your teammates, in terms of the policing the game aspect.
Why so many take offense to this, like my dad would say ‘If I did that at my job I’d get fired," is the puck drop ‘look at me look at me’ fights. Some of the time, they truly are like that. Others off the drop seem like there was, again, a bitterness over an old game or play within the game. But mostly, it’s just because it’s fighting. If people think that fighting in this sport should be banned, then ban UFC, and even the WWE because they ‘plug’ violence or show ‘fighting’ as part of the entertainment.
It’s a game, there can be loose cannons, but it’s all about standing up for the team no matter what anyone says, and doing something for a team is a matter of sportsmanship and belongs in the game. Believe me, if you didn’t get huge fines and ejected, they’d fight more than NHL players in the NFL. I never here NHL players trash talk and promote how much they are going to score on other teams in the NHL. If they fought in the NFL, WR divas like Chad Johnson and TO would be given reality checks around the first play from scrimmage. However, they can’t. Who wants that 6 figure fine?
NHL, it’s a players sport. They give the players a slice of policing themselves and no other sport gives that branch like the NHL. It belongs.
Good point about the trash talking aspect of it all. It’s totally true, outside of your occasional Sean Averys. Even then it’s not so much about going out there and scoring goals but about just being an overall pest.
Hockey is just as mental as it is physical. More often the trigger behind the physical is a pre-existing incident that weighs on one’s mind. It’s not these guys are going out there and starting crap for no reason at all. They are looking to change the momentum of the game, reciprocate for an earlier, uncalled cheap shot/penalty or stand up for their teammate who would otherwise be unable to fend for himself.
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You see that all the time for guys like Crosby and Patrick Kane, who aren’t necessarily Brock Lesnar sized, and they get knocked about a lot and sometimes popped around after plays. The team bangs the other guy, and hence, you get your typical post whistle rowdiness.
I’m kind of curious as to who voted yes to this more than anything. Not because I’m a gung-ho fight now and fight often person, but I just wonder what the thoughts are and reasoning. Hopefully beyond the words ’it’s violent’ because the cage fighting commercials during a Verses telecast, much more violent than a check into the boards.
Well I can tell ya right now that “Bren” is an advocate for omitting fighting from the game. His reasoning is valid, and I’d honestly say he’s the frontrunner for the opposing view. But I also feel this is the sort of issue that will never be resolved.
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It would be ridiculous to legislate fighting in the NHL, which is not the apex of the game, and not pay any attention to sports like MMA or boxing, in which fighting is the sole purpose of the contest. It’s not a valid point to say that fighting is deadly because several people have died in a hockey fight, because the whole sport is deadly. You can be as easily killed in a fight as you can by a skateblade to the neck or a puck to the temple or chest. Outlawing fighting will not decrease the chances of a deadly incident, but increase them.
IMHO
Well it’s within the rules but within reason. You can’t go sucker punching a guy and get away with it, but you can square off and do it the “honorable” way.
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It’s an allowable aspect with penalties. Like with any penalty, while it’s against the rules (hence the penalty) you don’t get an out-of-game penalty unless you do it maliciously…or just wrong.
Sure, it may be a rough stretch, but at least it's okay to like Jaromir Jagr again.
The thing that I have found funny, is suspending Matt Cooke 2 games for a blow to the head, yet, if I were to fight on the ice in a game Matt Cooke and I could receive(mostly me) SEVERAL blows to the head, and we’d just take 5, eat a Twix, and head back out on the ice.
Just kind of a weird suspension to the guy considering.

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