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New Jersey Devils at Pittsburgh Penguins, Oct 24, 2009 7:30 PM EDT


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NEW JERSEY DEVILS vs. PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

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Boy do we get a fun goaltending match up tonight. To boot, facing a real hot Tomas Vokoun last night, and then finding a way to win past that performance, should set up nicely for a match up against Martin Brodeur and the Devils. I'm not expecting any kind of an offensive shoot out in this one, but a shoot out maybe, cringe.

Still, the Pens are still on this amazing winning track, and they'll wheel out Flower tonight. Should be a fun game if you're a fan of goalies and Team Canada.

Cheers, and Let's Go Pens!

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by tehchico on Oct 24, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great penalty kill by the Devils. Almost clinical in execution. The Devils have also done a good job of clogging up the neutral zone, forcing the Penguins to play dump and chase, which is what has caused all of the early icing calls against the Pens.

by kellyn on Oct 24, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap

Fleury can’t believe that one….

by Cari on Oct 24, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was ugly. I need a strong game from MAF and preferably a win. What’s he trying to do to me over there?

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 24, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Fleury your fantasy goaltender?

by kellyn on Oct 24, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. He lost me my goalie battles tonight.

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 24, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll be okay… he’s more confident this year, and silly screwups don’t phase him as much.

by Cari on Oct 24, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, as has been the case a few times this year, we can come from behind. Haven’t seen the Pens go into a panic after dropping a goal.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Excessive Stanley Cup Raising.

by Lavender on Oct 24, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me, neither can Mark Frazer.

by kellyn on Oct 24, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn, not another “oh so close” game by Kunitz!

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too many games on tonight… racing around like a kid in a candy store.

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

me too… Richards with a nasty hit on Booth in the PHI:FLA game…

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just witnessed MacDonald standing on his head mid-second vs Van….

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booth out on a stretcher … Richards with a game misconduct… I’m guessing a 3 game suspension to go with it…

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booth going to be ok?, jeebus….

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d put cash down that there is no suspension.

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are they trying to do out there… c’mon it is a PP

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 PPs in a row not 1 clear-cup scoring chance

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Horrible

WHAT the @#$%

by Cari on Oct 24, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

shuboot…. crap

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Devils really just suck the excitement out of the game don’t they?

by ipenguin67 on Oct 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Devils don’t suck the excitement out of hockey. When at their best, however, they do have a tendency to make their opponent look devastatingly incompetent. It doesn’t win them many fans from the people who support the league’s twenty-nine other teams, but as a Devils fan, I have no problem with it. There is something about winning that never gets old, and the Devils style of play has proven itself capable of winning both regular season games and championships.

by kellyn on Oct 24, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devils are boring as hell to watch. Thank god I don’t have to watch them that often

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, to each his (or, in my case, her) own.

I’ve been a fan of the Devils since I was seven, and I love them and the way they play. To me watching a defenseman stick check the puck away from a forward skating in on a goaltender on a breakaway or a goaltender make a seemingly physics-defying save is way more exciting to me than watching that run-and-gun style of hockey teams like the Capitals or Flames play. In my opinion, the only reason teams like that play that style of hockey because they lack the skill and discipline to play a defensively sound game. Which is why neither the Flames or the Capitals have one a championship in the past decade, but I digress.

by kellyn on Oct 24, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not knocking you for being a fan of them, they just aren’t my cup of tea is all

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You digress… and totally misrepresent it. A) the devils had high scoring teams on 2 of the 3 Cups. B) Brodeur is the reason NJD has those Cups. C) How can you say the Caps don’t have skill? D) CGY isn’t a run and gun team. Don’t know where you got that from but they have little offensive capability. All their skill is on the back end.

The Devils also won with boring technical systems that required discipline more than skill. Not sure what you were watching.

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You digress… and totally misrepresent it.

As a Devils fan, I’ve had to listen to a lot of crap about the team I love by hockey fans who know little to nothing about hockey and even less about the Devils themselves (note that I am not counting you among this number), so I’ve made a point of educating myself on both subjects. So without further ado,

A) The only high scoring Devils team that ever won a championship was the team that won the Cup in 2000. That year the Devils offense was powered by what was the best top line in franchise history until Langenbrunner-Zajac-Parise established itself last season, which consisted of Czech wingers Patrik Elias and Petr Sykora centered by Jason Arnott. The ‘A-Line’ was backed up on offense by nineteen-year-old rookie forward Scott Gomez, a rarity on the veteran-laden Devils, who won the Calder Trophy centering Alexander Mogilny, and on the defense by vaunted two-way defensemen Scott Niedermayer and Brian Rifalski. The Devils were able to duplicate the same offensive success to following season, coming within a victory of repeating as Stanley Cup champions, but the loss in Game 7 of the Cup Final to Colorado in ’01, coupled by an first-round exit in ’02 prompted Lou Lamoriello to retool the team. Deciding o revert back to the Devils stricter defensive system of yesteryear, Lou broke up the A-Line, keeping only Elias and trading Sykora and Arnott away for players that would play an instrumental role in the Devils ’03 championship.

B) I disagree. In my opinion, Martin Brodeur is the greatest goaltender ever to play the game, but he would be the first person to say that one great player cannot win a championship. If it did that second Stanley Cup banner hanging in Colorado would be hanging from the rafters of the Rock and the Devils would have won the Stanley Cup every year since Brodeur broke into the league. No. Individual players do not win Stanley Cups. Teams do.

C)The Capitals have skill. The only problem with their skill is that it only really exists in one area, offense. As exciting as offense is to watch, however, it does not win championships. Defense does. And from what I have seen of the Capitals defense, it is, to put it kindly for a team that claims to have Stanley Cup aspirations, very poor. When I was watching the Devils play the Capitals last week, the objective side of me was nothing short of horrified by how sloppily the Capitals played while protecting a one goal lead in the third period with less than ten minutes left to play. The Capitals defenders essentially chased the Devils around in their own end for about two minutes while the Devils banged away at Jose Theodore (who I actually felt bad for) until David Clarkson finally scored the even-up goal. Allow me to quantify this, if you will: the Capitals basically allowed David Clarkson, much-maligned around the league as nothing better than a pest, Dainius Zubrus, who, honestly, is a complete and total bust, Mike Mottau, who was considered a career AHL defenseman until Lou Lamoriello snagged him from the rubbish heap and put him in the Devils system, and Niklas Bergfors, a Swedish rookie, free reign to do whatever they wanted in the Capitals zone. And they did. I’m pretty sure not even Calder Cup-winning Hershey Bears defense plays so poorly.

In my personal opinion, the potential success of a team like the Washington Capitals will never be met unless their coach takes some of his players’ focus away from offense and forces them to incorporate the basic fundamentals of good defense into their game, regardless of what position they play. Semin is often singled out by his coach, the press and Capitals fans as being extremely offensively talented but defensively irresponsible, and has often been bumped down a line or two as ‘punishment’ if Bruce Boudreau is upset with him for taking too many undisciplined penalties, but Alexander Ovechkin is really not much better in that respect than Semin. He takes far too many penalties, his ‘physical play’ often walks a fine line between borderline illegal to stupid and dangerous (the slew foot, the knee-on-knee hit on Sergei Gonchar, that Tampa Bay defenseman he hospitalized on a hit from behind last season, leaving his feet on practically every hit, his inability to keep his elbow tucked down and into his side, etc.), and expresses little to no interest in play away from the puck (i.e. backchecking). There’s a pretty appalling (at least, in my opinion) photograph of Ovechkin dawdling along the Penguins blueline, watching as Sidney Crosby skates in on Jose Theodore at the other end and scores a goal during a regular season game last year. I don’t understand why a player with Ovechkin’s speed didn’t take off after Crosby in an attempt to backcheck or knock the puck away from him, but there is no excuse, short of injury, for just standing there and watching an opposing player skate up the ice and score on your goaltender.

I don’t know what the deal is with Ovechkin, whether or not he thinks play away from the puck is beneath someone of his talent level or what, but if he wants to win the Stanley Cup as badly as he says he does than he better get over it. Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin are players who are just as good, if not better, than Ovechkin, and both of them backcheck and play a sound two-way game. They both also have Stanley Cup rings. Could the two perhaps be related?

D) The point I was attempting to illustrate is that the West, as a whole tends to be much more wide open offensively than the East, and it isn’t completely strange to see teams like the Calgary Flames, especially when they play teams like Vancouver or Edmonton, get into one of those games where it’s essentially a shooting gallery. Again, that style of hockey may be exciting, but it isn’t going to win you many games in June.

As for the Devils style of hockey taking more discipline than skill, I’m not quite sure I agree with you there. It’s so much more subtle, so much more nuanced than that. For example, Scott Stevens was a brilliant defenseman when the Devils acquired him in ‘91 and was well known around the league for both his physical play and his offensive upside. It was Jacques Lemaire who turned him into the stalwart defensive defenseman he is best remembered as today. How did he do it? He told him to focus less on putting points on the board and more on keeping them off. He taught Stevens how to play so that his stick was always on the ice in a position to deflect shots on goal from opposing forwards away from the net. In hockey, you’ll often find that it’s the little things, rather than the flashy goals or the big hits, that spell the difference between victory and defeat.

by kellyn on Oct 24, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

it helps your goalie to be totally overrated, so that’s something

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by fetch9 on Oct 24, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Lemaires said he wasn’t going to trap anymore…

If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...

by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else falling asleep during this game??

Major bore fest

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pickin’ up what you both are layin’ down… lucky for us 14 other games tonight : )

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep, just watching the Caps try to tie the game on the Island

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYR:MTL tied in third… I need Lundqvist to win in CBC pool for me…

by AngelaMc on Oct 24, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Just got home from work and we’re down 3-0. Looks like we’ll need another third period comeback.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You didn’t miss anything, believe me

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s often the case with the Devils.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

These have been really strange flukey goals. Not to take anything away from the Devils — they’ve done well and earned the lead — but it’s maddening to watch.

by Cari on Oct 24, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Brodeur gets a shutout tonight, won’t that put him first all time in shutouts? Or will he just tie Sawchuck?

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it will tie for the record.

I’m sure other goalies that play for 20+ years will break his records, so personally it means nothing to me

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite likely, but it’s still a cool thing to see a major record set. I think so, anyway.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, I’m just trying to draw something positive from the game… it could be historical:)

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tie… and that’s all that would be worthy to remember from the game

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GOGO!

Just made the shutout question moot.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least the crowd is starting to get into it; they were silent before that goal.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gogo’s looking sharp.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boston tied it from 3:1 in the last 2 minutes… and just won it in the shootout… so come on!:)

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn it Kunitz!!!

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Oct 24, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a horrible game. I can’t believe I stayed home for this.

by Cari on Oct 24, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not much chance now.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone tell that kid that he didn’t win the cup with that goal

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh well, we had to lose sooner or later.

by GhostWalker40 on Oct 24, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, this was a disappointment, but overall we’re still off to a great start. I’m still feeling very good about our season so far. Looks like we’ll finish the year 80-2-0.

by OlenWhitaker on Oct 24, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, cant win`em all. Glad Marty doesnt break the record against us.

by Repperson29 on Oct 25, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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