The Pittsburgh Penguins All-Decade team
As 2009 winds down it's time to look back on the decade that was. Japers Rink had a great list of the Washington Capitals all-decade team, and Puck Daddy hoped that all the SB Nation teams would follow suit. So here's the Pittsburgh entry for the decade that was.
The Decade of the '00s saw the Pittsburgh Penguins experience the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. They had four 40+ loss seasons and four 40+ win seasons. They either had very bad years or very good years.
In the beginning of the decade Mario Lemieux thrillingly returned in December 2000, a brief peak before the economic climate of the "old NHL" forced Pittsburgh into the gutter. The Pens dealt away talents the likes of Jaromir Jagr, Alexei Kovalev, Martin Straka, Darius Kasparaitis and Robert Lang for pennies on the dollar of their hockey-worth and suffered with four straight non-playoff seasons. During that time, they reloaded through the draft with several high picks that would be the core of the ultimate redemption: the 2009 Stanley Cup. With a new CBA, a new arena almost open, and the two best offensive centers (and arguably players) in the game at age 23 and 22, the Penguins are poised to be competitive for the forseeable future.
It was a wild ride though, with six different head coaches (assuming Dan Bylsma is safe); starting out with the late, great Herb Brooks during the 2000 season. With 30 games to go in the calendar year, the decade record stands at 311 wins, 306 losses, 52 OT losses and 36 ties (remember them?)
After the jump, we highlight all the individual players now named to the Pittsburgh Penguins All-Decade team, which includes: 4 scoring titles in the 9 seasons played, 2 Lester B. Pearson winners, 1 Hart Trophy, 4 first-team NHL All-Stars.
| Left Wing | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | PPG | SHG | GWG | SOG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mario Lemieux (2000-06) | 170 | 77 | 152 | 229 | -28 | 97 | 19 | 0 | 4 | 579 |
Returning to the sport at age 35, Lemieux was the league's leading points/game getter in 2000-01. Various injuries to hips and the ever-present bad back robbed Mario of many of his latter playing days and a revealed heart condition in 2006 put the spike in his career's coffin. Off the ice, owner Lemieux steered the Penguins through bankruptcy, danced with Pennsylvania politicians for a badly needed new arena and saved the franchise. That's worth a spot on this team any day of the decade. Hey, he owns it.
| Center | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | PPG | SHG | GWG | SOG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sidney Crosby (2005-09) | 301 | 138 | 270 | 408 | +36 | 301 | 45 | 1 | 16 | 980 |
100 point scorer as an 18 year old, MVP and scoring champion at age 19. Youngest permanent captain at age 20, Stanley Cup winner at age 21. There's about literally nothing Crosby hasn't yet done in the early years of his career, which can only make one wonder what the future holds. Crosby already an industry with books, videos, museum exhibits and countless items of merchandise dedicated to him.
| Right Wing | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | PPG | SHG | GWG | SOG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alexei Kovalev (2000-03) | 246 | 115 | 152 | 267 | +1 | 284 | 32 | 5 | 16 | 924 |
With spectacular skill and a couple years in his prime, Alexei Kovalev cracks the All-Decade team. He finished fourth in the league in scoring during the 2000-01 season and had a couple good years playing with Lemieux on the top line in the leaner years that followed. Unfortunately though the Pens would have to trade Kovalev (and salary dumps of Mike Wilson, Dan LaCouture and Janne Laukkanen) back to the Rangers for a not-so great return of Rico Fata, Michael Samuelsson, Joel Bouchard and the all important cash consideration.
| Defense | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | PPG | SHG | GWG | SOG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sergei Gonchar (2005-09) | 269 | 45 | 161 | 206 | -1 | 168 | 32 | 1 | 8 | 648 |
Early in his Penguin career, Gonchar was seen as a UFA bust, but he transitioned his game from "offensive-defenseman" into "well-rounded-#1-defenseman" and is a linchpin of the Stanley Cup champion. A wizard on the power-play, Gonchar's among the league leading scorers from the blueline over the decade of the 2000's, and his contributions for the Pens were a large part of the reason they turned last season around and won the Stanley Cup.
| Defense | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | PPG | SHG | GWG | SOG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brooks Orpik (2003-09) | 387 | 6 | 50 | 56 | -22 | 475 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 247 |
Perhaps as a mark of longevity, given Orpik was drafted into the organization in 2000, he's stuck around the longest (no one has pulled the sweater on more this decade). A guy like Michal Rozsival or Dick Tarnstrom certainly would have made this list if they stuck around longer, but they didn't. Orpik's improved every season, positionally he's solid and dishes out hits now wisely, not recklessly.
| Goaltender | GP | MIN | W | L | T/OTL | GA | GAA | SA | SV | SV% | SO |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Marc-Andre Fleury (2003-09) | 244 | 13,915 | 119 | 86 | 26 | 660 | 2.85 | 7114 | 6454 | .907 | 15 |
Amazingly, the still precocious 24 year old goalie is already staking his claim to the franchise's goalie records: Fleury's first in team history in GAA and save percentage, 2nd in wins, shutouts and total saves (all behind Tom Barrasso) and already 3rd in total games played for a goalie. MAF was the championship piece in winning the Stanley Cup and, with six more years on his contract, figures to continue and pile up the stats in the decade to come.
And to fill-out the team, here's the rest of the lineup:
Forwards:
Lemieux - Crosby - Kovalev
If all were healthy, this line would absolutely own the puck. Kovalev's skating and shooting ability, Crosby driving the net and controlling the puck down low, and Mario doing what Mario does, making plays. An absolutely sublime and unfair grouping of talent.
Martin Straka - Evgeni Malkin - Jaromir Jagr
Not many team's "2nd line" on a decade team would feature two scoring championships, but it speaks to the level of depth of skill the Penguins have treated their fans to over the years. Though Jagr was mercurial and a handful at times away from the ice, there's no doubt about his talent or dedication he showed to the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Ryan Malone - Jordan Staal - Aleksey Morozov
A mix of grit and skil here, with the hometown boy Malone, the hulking power-forward in Jordan Staal and Aleksey Morozov, who's pre-lockout transformation into a solid NHL scorer has become over-looked by his return to Russia.
Jan Hrdina - Robert Lang - Mark Recchi
The smooth passing Honza Hrdina played wing-man to Jagr enough to earn a spot on this team, recording over 200 points in the 2000's for the Penguins. Robert Lang was an instrumental setup man for Kovalev and Straka in his Penguin and Mark Recchi chugged along beside Sid Crosby for a few years.
Honorable mentions: Maxime Talbot, Colby Armstrong, Petr Sykora
Defense:
Gonchar - Orpik
The #1 pairing of the Stanley Cup title winning team. It's got Gonchar's all-around ability paired with Orpik's positional play.
Dick Tarnstrom - Rob Scuderi
Tarnstrom will be the great answer to the trivia question: "who was the last Penguin not named Malkin or Crosby to lead the Penguins in scoring". Scuderi showed continual improvement year after year and became a defensive stalwart, the true picture of development and preserverance.
Ryan Whitney - Darius Kasparaitis
While much derided by some fans, Whitney put up 150 points in 253 games with the Penguins. He might not have been physical as fans like, so how about pairing him with the rambunctious Kasparaitis, at one time the most feared and devastating hitter in the game (apologies to Scott Stevens).
Honorable mention: Andrew Ference
Goaltenders:
Fleury
Endured some growing pains along with the team early in the decade, but blossomed into a Stanley Cup caliber one as we close it.
(Backup) Johan Hedberg
The "Moose" burst onto the scene and captured fans hearts back in 2001, leading the Pens to the EC Finals as a 27 year old NHL rookie. He'd stick around and get shelled for two more seasons before moving on, but his place in Pittsburgh folklore is established.
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So there you have it, a roster of enormous skill. Between Jagr, Lemieux, Malkin and Crosby we capture the wonderful mix past and present super stars that any franchise would love to have one of, yet alone four in the course of this decade. To be that good and get the high picks we suffered -- who could forget the 0-17-1 stretch in 2003-04? But with the current economics of the sport, those days have past. The turbulence of the 2000's; with questions of relocation and shady suitors like "Boots" Del Biaggo and Jim Balsillie are gone, replaced by a sterling new venue and the promise of more trophies to come.
As wild as the 2000's were, all the focus can be on winning championships and keeping to core built this decade in tact for the next.
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No Rico Fata, Ramzi Abid, or Janne Laukkanen? For shame
by biggoron on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some Thoughts...
I realize Mario, during Sid’s tenure and a little with Ronnie F, played some wing late in his career, but the best center to lace up the skates for the Penguins EVER is Mario Lemieux. He needs to be listed as such.
Talbot (He of the CUP WINNING GOAL) replaces Morozov because Morozov is/was an enigma and a crybaby Russian. :)
Softney should not even be listed here. Roszival or Ference easily takes his position. Even Letang or Gill would be better options and they did not make honorable mention. By justifying his position before even hearing the criticism, this pick is going to be what you hear most about.
Oh yeah, the greatest mullet in the history of Pittsburgh sports should be on the first line. Kovalev was another enigma that reached most of his potential in his final days in Pittsburgh, but is too good to leave off the list.
by Ulf Murphy on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to add...
Kasparaitas more devastating than Scott Stevens? Really! What were you smoking when you wrote that? :)
by Ulf Murphy on Oct 26, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevens might have put the cherry on top for Eric Lindros but it was Kaspar that served him ice-cream..
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Laughed out loud at work!! Thanks for almost getting me in trouble, but Kaspar will only be more devastating to Pens fans. Ask any non-pens/non-devils backer who was more devastating and feared for more than a cheap shot and you will not get Kaspar, my friend.
Stevens is an all-time NHL great. Kaspar is a member of our decade team, but had better seasons with the Isles, forgettable but to a select few.
by Ulf Murphy on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True I didn’t mean to put DK into Stevens’s stratus, obviously Scott is an HOF’er and all time great. Kaspar was definitely a dirty player with more sizzle than steak. He had a few good seasons though
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
why did the pens get kasparitis
Why did the Pens get Kasparitis? So he would stop taking cheap shots at Mario and Jaromir. He was a solid defensive defenseman, good penalty killer, and he scored one goal that mattered in his career. I’d take Jiri Slegr or Michael Roszival over him in today’s obstruction free NHL.
by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevens was a great hitter...
…but so were Kasparitis, Luke Richardson, Behn Wilson (gads, I’m old), Dave Farrish…
Lots of guys can hit hard. Stevens could with the best of them. It was that and all the other positives in Scott Stevens’ game that got him into the Hall, not just how hard he hit…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Oct 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevens was definitely a more well-rounded player. But if you look back on some of the old tapes of him and Niedermeyer working the blue line together it was definitely a scary tandem. Nieds would edge toward the boards and force the puck carrier inside. At this time Stevens would be crossing over while a forward backed up to take his defensive position. Basically they gave the carrier absolutely nowhere to go to. People started learning eventually that getting wrecked on the boards was much safer than getting forced inside for a one-on-one meeting with Stevens’ shoulder.
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by FrankD on Oct 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid points even if you’re being a little tough on Whitney..Rozsival had some crummy, injury filled seasons in Pittsburgh.
Ference was decent but come on,Whitney had some talent…I think playing through his painful foot conditioned hampered him too.
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Based on how hard I have been on Dupuis (and starting to add Kunitz to that list), did you think I would be less so on Softney? Mario won a scoring title with other people lacing up his skates, and you want me to give Softney credit for playing with a foot injury that only required one surgery? (please see sarcasm in Webster’s) Once I hate a guy, I hate him. I will hate him more if Kunitz doesn’t start scoring again. Transverse Property. :)
I concede that he was OK and I don’t hate the pick, but I would rather have any of the 4 I previously mentioned and would like to add Laukannen to the list (thanks biggoron, forgot about him).
by Ulf Murphy on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Janne Laukkanen? Where’s the ban button? (just joking)
Serously though, first person to mention Hans Jonsson is in trouble.
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Good old Hans no hans Jonsson.
Umm Hooks, you mentioned him first
by biggoron on Oct 26, 2009 5:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Umm Hooks, you mentioned him first
Haha, you win.
I remember Mario once made a comment in frustration about Jonsson, but I can’t think of exactly what it was for the life of me.
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put Patrick Lalime in the back-up goalie position. As for the first line center, I understand putting Mario on the wing, because he could score from everywhere, but it’s debatable. I would also have Jagr on the first line, and Kovy on the second. Him and Malkin together seems awesome to me.
Otherwise, looks like good choices.
Marcy
by GoPenguins on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed about Lalime, I couldnt remember if he played for us in this decade though.
by Repperson29 on Oct 26, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately Lalime just misses the cut. He and his 14-0-2 start came in 96/97. Otherwise I’d have nominated him as well.
But Hedberg still beats other considerations over the past ten years, including but not limited to Sebastien Caron and Jocelyn Thibault.
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by FrankD on Oct 27, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about an entry to the all decade team for biggest bust? I nominate Milan Kraft…
And Hrdina was actually a center. If that matters at all… He was a faceoff whiz
by biggoron on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When I saw the thread I thought “oh my, now we’ll see a whole lot of different opinions and tempers flying”… but… as far as the first comments go it’s not exactly the case…
I generally agree with the picks… although I also would have Jagr on the first line, may be not only based on his 00s numbers but for all he’s done… Kovalev… no questioning his skill… but the character…. I don’t know… 2nd line is good enough for him:) I’ve always really liked Lang’s play, even know… but it’s hard to put him higher than 4th line…
Agree with biggoron for the “worst-of-the-decade” team… may be not 4 lines, but at least the starting 6:)
You have to see it for yourself...
by Bla Razor on Oct 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jagr deserves his place in history, but he only played one full season with the Pens, in which he requested his bosses trade him no less than three times.
If this was an all-time list, he gets full honors as the best winger to skate or the franchise…But it’s a list of the best players this decade, and I think he’s slotted appropriately.
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I love the "worst-of-the-decade" idea.
Can Hedberg make both lists??
Pessonen – Kraft – Dupuis/Morozov
Softney – McKenna
Caron, but Moose never lived up to potential.
by Ulf Murphy on Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now there’s an idea…
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by FrankD on Oct 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pessonen? worst of the decade? He was nothing more than a shot in the dark that could prove to be a top line goal scorer with a low contract.
by Repperson29 on Oct 26, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m no official voice on Hooks’ post, but I’d at least think a qualification for being the worst would require at least, maybe, half a season to an entire season with Pittsburgh. Dunno if a year spent in the minors would apply. Personally I’d go with that – someone who actually played with the Penguins but probably would’ve been better off in the minors or with another squad.
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by FrankD on Oct 27, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst ever
Rico Fata. Milan Kraft. Did these first rounders ever play an NHL game for anyone?
by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah Beech too, saw someone else mentioned him, although i think he’s still in AHL at least.
by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the “worst-of-the-decade” idea.
That’s hardly a list of the worst players, just the ones you like the least.
Jamie Pushor, Drake Berehowsky, Mike Wilson, Patrick Boileau, Marc Bergevin, Dan Focht, Lyle Odelein, Steve Poapst….Now those were brutal defensemen. To put Whitney in their class is just foolish. McKenna was also a winger is time in Pittsburgh.
Dupuis, though not grand, is servicable and a good PK’er. Morozov scored 50 points in a season with virtually no one around him. He was hardly the worst winger.
Especially with forwards like Ramzi Abid, Rico Fata, BIlly Tibbetts, Shane Endicott, Brian Holzinger, Kris Beech, Jeff Toms available to pick on.
(I almost did a “worst of” lineup, but I thought it took away from the accomplishments of the best players, which ought to be the spolighted ones).
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 26, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
rico fata and kris beech…boy m i glad those days are gone
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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, especially Kris “the-center-with-never-shown-great-potential” Beech… not that they didn’t dive him enough time to develop and tried him on different lines…
You have to see it for yourself...
by Bla Razor on Oct 26, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kris Beech stood as my constant measure for all that was bad. He was so bad/disappointing that nothing could be as bad as him. So even if the Penguins lost 6-1 the redeeming fact was that at least Kris Beech was still on IR.
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by FrankD on Oct 27, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best part...
was that during that era’s nhl game i was able to get him to like 90….
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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 27, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for me the “worst” list should include the players who had a lot of potential/expectations for them, but disappointed most
You have to see it for yourself...
by Bla Razor on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
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by FrankD on Oct 27, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guilty as charged. Not bad hockey players, just guys I built up, in my own mind, and never reached the levels I wanted them to reach. That’s why I just comment and don’t write for a living! :)
by Ulf Murphy on Oct 27, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a worst season of the decade?
Gotta be 2005-2006. Remember that? Right after the lockout they signed all those big names. Leclaire, Gonchar, Palffy, Thibault. Mario came back again. They drafted Crosby. After a whole year without hockey we all thought “OMG this is going to be the best season ever!!1.”
BOOM. Dead last in the conference. Such a depressing year. :-(
by puckhead45_82 on Oct 27, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least one of all those “old-guns” signings paid off eventually:)
You have to see it for yourself...
by Bla Razor on Oct 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feast or Famine
You’d be hard pressed to come up with a team this decade or ever for that matter that had such a feast or famine decade! Good teams to start 2000, 01 (ECF appearance), 4 terrible, and I mean pretty much dead last every one of them, seasons 02,03,04,06 (thank you lockout for ensuirng it wasn’t 5, thanks to the Lottery as well for getting Crosby, look who went 2nd…Bobby Ryan) 3 Great seasons to finish, 2 SC Finals appearances and of course the big prize in 2009. As for the list I’d be tempted to put JJ on the Top line, but alas his contribution this decade was very short. The 1990s however….No brainer. BTW I’m still an advocate to see JJ get his number retired in Pittsburgh. I’m secretly harboring hopes he comes back from Russia with that in mind and agrees to play 1-2 seasons on a “modest” (certainly by JJ’s standards) salary.
by Dutch71 on Oct 27, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m relatively new to the community here and I’m sure there was a long discussion some time ago about the retired numbers… and yes, it’s another topic… but I think Jagr’s, Francis’ and Coffey’s numbers should get serious retirement consideration… I remember reading that Jagr’s and Coffey’s haven’t been worn by any other Penguin in the history of the franchise, which makes them really unique and perfect for retirement
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by Bla Razor on Oct 27, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Coffey only spent 3 complete seasons in Pittsburgh (and parts of two more). Dude only played 331 regular season (and 25 playoff games). I don’t doubt his skill and talent, but that’s a pretty brief chapter in the franchise. And when they traded him they won a Cup a couple months later.
Jagr I think should warrant strong consideration. Even though he did request trade, he was a dynamic player and a superstar for so many years. I think if he plays his entire career with the Pens, it’s a no-brainer, #68’s in the rafters.
But he didn’t. And I think it’s cool about the Penguins that they don’t retire many numbers. One for a tragedy with Michel Briere (which is a deserved honor) and another # for Mario Lemieux, literally the savior of the franchise. That’s the bar it takes to get your number retired in Pittsburgh.
Some towns are more lax about the standard to get a player’s retired number. I like that Pittsburgh isn’t one. They have a ring of honor for all the great players in the franchise (that Jagr, Francis, Coffey, etc are in) but it really has to be special to get the highest honor.
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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tough standard, but Jagr was that special for the Pens… NHL MVP, 2 Stanley Cups, scoring titles. Sure, he wasn’t Mario, but how many other players are on that elite a level (Gretzky, Gordie, Orr…maybe Bobby Hull, and if that Ovechkin character keeps playing like he has for the next decade and a half…). If the Pens start retiring numbers, his should be the first.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Oct 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some towns are more lax about the standard to get a player’s retired number.
Even sports for that matter. See baseball, for example, and more specifically the Yankees. Won’t be long before players will be wearing uniforms with “3A” and “2B” on the back.
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by FrankD on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Coffey was the second best defenseman in NHL history, behind Bobby Orr. I don’t care if he only played 3 years with the Pens, did they not go for horrible and wearing yellow helmets, to cup champs in that time. Gretzky and Messier are 1 and 2 in alltime scoring in large part to Coffey getting the puck up ice. 3 years was enough to make him the best D man in Penguins history.
by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jagr was that good
Jagr was that good. 68 should and will soon i’m sure be in the rafters. I agree its cool that they don’t retire many #’s, but Jagr was the best forward in the game for a good six or seven years. Even at times maybe, dare i say it, maybe at sometime, better than Mario. Of course Mario was at about 40 percent the.
by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also believe 68 should be retired… But I also feel Barrasso’s number should be retired, although I may be in the minority on that one.
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