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Kings Ransom: What if Crosby demanded a trade.

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What if I demanded a trade?


Hello there.

I just finished watching the superb ESPN documentary "Kings Ransom" about the Wayne Gretzky trade to Los Angeles. 

Watching it I realized that I had totally forgotten about the fact that Wayne Gretzky initially stated that he only wanted to play for two teams. Los Angeles or Detroit.

That made me wonder. What IF The Penguins were faced with cirumstances where they had to trade Sidney Crosby. Let's say he demanded a trade for whatever reasons. (I'm not saying that he ever will, I'm just speculating what if).

Edmonton traded Wayne Gretzky, Marty McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski to Los Angeles for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, the Kings' first-round draft picks in 1989 (later traded to back to the New Jersey Devils for Corey Foster), 1991 (Edmonton selected Martin Rucínsky), and 1993 (Nick Stajduhar) and $15 million in cash. 

"The Trade" from Wikipedia's Wayne Gretzky Entry.

"Two hours after the Oilers won the Stanley Cup in 1988, Wayne learned from his father that the Oilers were planning to deal him to another team. Walter had known for months, but kept it from Wayne so as to not upset him. According to Walter, Wayne was being "shopped" to Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, and Vancouver. According to Wayne, Pocklington needed money as his other business ventures were not doing well, and had gone "sour" on Wayne and wanted to move him. At first Gretzky did not want to leave Edmonton, but he later received a call from Los Angeles Kings owner Bruce McNall while on his honeymoon asking permission to meet and discuss the deal. Wayne informed McNall that his prerequisites for a deal to take place were that Marty McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski join him as teammates in Los Angeles. After the details of the trade were finalized by McNall and Pocklington, one final condition had to be met: Gretzky had to call Pocklington and request a trade.

On August 9, 1988, in a move that heralded significant change in the NHL, the Oilers traded Gretzky, along with McSorley and Krushelnyski, to the Los Angeles Kings for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, $15 million in cash, and the Kings' first-round draft picks in 1989 (later traded to the New Jersey Devils—New Jersey selected Jason Miller)*, 1991 (Martin Ručínský), and 1993 (Nick Stajduhar). "The Trade", as it came to be known,upset Canadians to the extent that New Democratic Party House Leader Nelson Riis demanded that the government block it, and Pocklington was burned in effigy outside the Northlands Coliseum. Gretzky himself was considered a "traitor" by some Canadians for turning his back on his adopted hometown, his home province, and his home country; his motivation was widely rumoured to be the furtherance of his wife's acting career."

Which team or teams would have a realistic shot at aquiring Crosby?

Would Gary Bettman and The NHL get involved? Would they try to make sure he's traded to a big U.S market to be able to promote him as one of the Chosen ones?

What would Crosby be worth?

What would the salary cap implications be for both teams?

Again, I'm not saying that Crosby will ever demand a trade. This is just a post to try to get a good discussion going.

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Well,

This is a scary but fun write up, cheers.

I’d say the only way Ray Shero allows a diva Brett-like deal to make it’s way down would have to be done like this. We would need a young and absolute star caliber centerman, say a Tavares, a Duchene, etc, plus a stop-gap centerman if that may not fit, plus, at the least, a first round pick in the following years draft, and possibly more first rounders and pieces if there are more players added to the mix like Gretzky’s trade.

I would also doubt, in this day and age, there would be as much uproar over a player leaving a team as there was with it being a player leaving his team and his country. A lot more was there with Gretzky, something that has me wanting to bust out a DVD on him someone gave me recently.

I like theorist stuff like this by the way. Just don’t see it being done, plus, if it did, being the magnitude of The Trade.

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by Lavender on Oct 6, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Again, I’m not saying that Crosby will ever demand a trade. This is just a post to try to get a good discussion going.

Understood. But this discussion is along the lines of “what if a comet smashes North America and takes out every single human being except you”. That is about as likely to happen as Crosby being traded.

Just to play the game though, you’d have to think it’d be a Western team that Pittsburgh would move Crosby/Malkin to. From there you’d have to expect some young players and a host of draft picks.

Won’t happen for at least 3-4 years since Crosby and Malkin have contracts and are obviously happy in Pittsburgh but it is an interesting thought in light of the Gretzky movie.

Luckily for the Penguins, with expenses tied to league-wide revenues and a new building to generate a great amount of revenue for themselves, Pittsburgh should never be in a Jagr, Kovalev, Straka situation where they have to basically sell off good players for nothing in return.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 6, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Then Mario would kick him out, call him a disgrace and wish him the best of luck on all of his endeavors, never to speak to him again.

Since players can’t be exchanged for cash anymore, I think the magnitude of the trade would have to compensate with draft picks and prospects on top of a proven NHLer or two. No way Sid go one-for-one in any trade.

Now, which team would he be demanding a trade to? Is that a consideration? If so, that could change things mucho.

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by FrankD on Oct 6, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah good point. Look at Heatley, a solid 50 goal guy only got traded for Michalek and Cheechoo when Ottawa didn’t have much of a choice on the teams he could go to.

Crosby would command more than that, of course, but if for some totally unforseen reason that Crosby can’t stay in Pittsburgh anymore, that lessens the Pens leverage and return.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont think this is good and

I don’t want to play as it makes me crazy to think of it. Its not a good thing to think about.

HE SHOULD NOT EVER BE TRADED.

Nor Malkin for that matter.

by mdmiller on Oct 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is an out there premise. I think everyone knows the only place you’ll see Crosby not on the Pens anytime soon is if you fire up an XBox or PS3 or watch the Olympics.

It is strange to think of any scenario involving him asking out, but Oiler fans would have said the same about #99. The economics are now much different but I think the initial point makes for a decent debate.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s easy to fall into the trap that Sid is going to stay with this team for the rest of his career, much like Mario did. There’s no guarantee of course but maybe Pens fans see it more than any fan of any other team. Doesn’t it just seem like he’s tied to the city, as opposed to “tied down?” I mean, his landlord is his boss and basically father away from home. His boss’s wife cooks for him and keeps cooking the same meal over and over again during his hot streaks to keep with the superstition. Mario’s kids are like Sid’s extra set of brothers and sisters and the guy can go anywhere in the city and be treated like a king. He may never ask for a trade but he may also never play for another team. I think he’s committed to the city just as much as the city is committed to him, and it shows.

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by FrankD on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could think of him as the hero of pittsburgh, considering he brought life back to the penguins. he’s also one of the big reasons there’s a new arena next door. pittsburgh needs crosby, and crosby needs them.

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by jetpen89 on Oct 7, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know that Crosby needs Pittsburgh so much. He could have ended up at any hockey-loving city and gotten the same treatment.

by JustinM on Oct 8, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A trade for Crosby...

…must include several 1st rounders, an NHLer or two, as well as 3 Stanley Cups!

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Oct 6, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll play along.

First, where does he go to? Pitt would not be inclined to deal him to the East if they could avoid it, and most certainly not within the Atlantic. If demanding a trade, it is almost certain he wishes to play for a contender, or a team with sentimental value. It’s unlikely he goes to a team that is not on the radar nationally by virtue of location or prestige. (Nobody accuses the Kings of being a big deal, but LA is a much more compelling city than, say, Sunshine). Moreover, we can eliminate teams outside the NHL, since there’s no reason to believe he’d demand a trade to Europe or elsewhere.

Speaking on an NHL level, let’s eliminate some choices. We’ll start with the obvious nixes.. teams to be removed because they are not sufficiently large cities or successful enough to warrant a star player’s desire to be traded there:
EAST
Bruins
Sabres
Canadiens
Senators
Maple Leafs
Rangers
Devils
Flyers
Islanders
Capitals
Hurricanes
Thrashers
Lightning
Panthers

WEST
Blackhawks
Blue Jackets
Red Wings
Blues
Predators
Flames
Wild
Oilers
Avalanche
Stars
Sharks
Ducks
Kings
Canucks
Coyotes

The next step is to trim out locations that the Penguins would be averse to trading him. After all, it’s highly unlikely that a number of teams in the East, especially foes like Philly or Washington, would ever be considered in such a high-profile trade.

EAST
Bruins
Canadiens
Senators
Maple Leafs
Rangers
Devils
Flyers
Capitals

WEST
Blackhawks
Red Wings
Flames
Oilers
Sharks
Ducks
Kings
Canucks

This leaves us with 11 NHL franchises, including all six Canadian teams. As the nation’s favorite son, it can’t be overlooked that Crosby could, if he returned home, receive the equivalent of golden calf level worship. Those teams would be more willing to participate in an unbalanced trade to obtain him, one would think.

Of the five remaining American teams, the Bruins remain for a combination of historical prestige and large market, as do the Blackhawks. The Sharks, Ducks, and Kings remain as representative of California’s appeal. Two of those are strong clubs right now, and one is debatably on the rise. Los Angeles also has big-city appeal, and does not suffer from the in-division stigma that New York does.

Let’s toss out an example trade:

LOS ANGELES GETS:
Sidney Crosby

PITTSBURGH GETS:
Anze Kopitar
Teddy Purcell
Jack Johnson
1st round pick, 2011
1st round pick, 2013
3rd round pick, 2014

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by winterion on Oct 7, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis, winterion. But just to show how difficult it would be to trade Crosby in a draft world consider that the Kings portion of the deal makes $8.8 million of salary. And if Johnson is good, he’ll command a hefty raise in a couple seasons. They’d likely not be able to fit a lot of the Crosby return for very long.

The Pens could always hyptohetically add a guy like Dupuis ($1.4m) to ease the salary burden, but it would be really tough to get the on-ice return for Crosby right under the salary cap, and keep it together for a long time.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the first trade that came to mind that included sufficient skill to justify the move, came relatively close to current salary cap hits. Admittedly, it doesn’t compensate for JJ’s potential raise in salary if he continues to improve at the rate he’s been playing, but it is good enough a package that I think both sides would be enticed enough to at least pause and think about it. I mean, PIT is deep enough at center to get away with it, right? The question becomes if LA thinks they’re paying a bit too much with the three picks.. I could see them bidding at two.

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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it’s my Avs fan bias, but I wouldn’t cross the Avalanche off of that list. They’ve had a winning history for most of this past decade and have had a bevy of star players come through there who have said nothing but good things about the city: Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk constantly settles for the hometown discount to stay there, Blake, Roy. Even when Selanne and Kariya were both free agents in the same year, their joint consensus on where they wanted to play was Colorado (albeit, that didn’t work out very well for them).

On the other hand, I WOULD scratch the Oilers off on that list. It’s no secret that they have had a ton of trouble attracting star talent. Because, who wants to live in Edmonton?

But, I do think that the analysis is pretty spot on. I could see Crosby fetching a first line forward, forward prospect, top defenseman, and multiple first round draft picks in return. Hooks is probably right that a depth player would be thrown in with Crosby to even up the salaries and the roster situations.

And as someone else said, since cash can’t be exchanged anymore, the Gretzky trade probably isn’t the best example.

Heatley’s probably isn’t, either since he’s had more of a troubled past.

My first thought for a starting point would actually be what Pittsburgh gave up for Hossa:

Colby Armstrong, Eric Christensen, Angelo Esposito (high first round pick/prospect), and a first rounder in 2008 for Hossa and Dupuis.

by c0nquistad0rian on Oct 9, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please, we ALL know Malkin is going to be traded for Kopitar… Right Bruce?

by biggoron on Oct 16, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anze Kopitar strikes me as the kind of dude who never loses a staring contest.

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by winterion on Oct 17, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stride the Canadiens off that list. They hate Sid in Quebec.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s under six feet tall – not willing to strike him off Montreal’s radar.

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by winterion on Oct 20, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they’d be looking for smaller overpaid forwards. Jason Blake fits that profile perfectly

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by Space Weed on Oct 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Eliminate the Caps?

Since the last time the Pens traded one of their best players to DC it worked out so well for the Caps…

/sarcasm

Seriously, I doubt Sid will ever be traded, but then again, Wayne was traded twice in his career and ended up signing a free agent contract with the Rangers…

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Caps on Oct 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if there wasn’t a salary cap LA would never make this trade:
LOS ANGELES GETS:
Sidney Crosby

PITTSBURGH GETS:
Anze Kopitar
Teddy Purcell
Jack Johnson
1st round pick, 2011
1st round pick, 2013
3rd round pick, 2014.
Take Johnson and the draft picks out you may have a deal. Its not an accident that Kopitar is leading the NHL in scoring right now. If he played for an east coast team or Detroit the average fan would have been riding his nuts the last 3 years. He’s one of the most amazing players in the world and by the way is just as young as Sid, so the Kings aren’t about to package him in a deal with a past 1st rounder, two future first rounders and a player for the second best player on the Pens.

by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple things: 1)In today’s nhl moving a player with a close to 9 million contract is almost impossible. The league’s gm’s are slaves to the salary cap so it could only be for a handful of players who are the other top guns in the league (ovechkin, kopitar, getzlaf), and thus what would be the point. 2)Sid, as much as i love him, and as great a spokesman as he is, he is and never will be Gretzky of the 80’s. Sid’s not even the best player on the team, let alone in the world. He’s not far behind, but Geno is better, at least offensively and creatively. Gretzky’s greatness has probably never been equalled except by maybe two guys, Mario and Bobby Orr, both of which were plagued continuously by injury. Thus, you can’t compare trading Sid to Edmonton trading Gretzky, he’s not the player or force in the game that Wayne was.

by geno71 on Oct 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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