TSN: Scott Hartnell will not be suspended or fined for Letang incident

I'm sure opinions will vary on this one, so have at it.

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Make it hurt, make it count, Kris.

That is all.

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by GreenEyedLilo on Oct 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You can’t even do that much. Anything he does will be retaliatory and would get Letang into even more trouble than Hartnell should have been in.

by JustinM on Oct 9, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sideshow Scott will almost certainly do some other jackassy thing during the next Pens/Flyers game anyway. Ah, well.

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by GreenEyedLilo on Oct 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one should be surprised

When you consistently goon your way to the playoffs year after year, the league has built up a tolerance to what the flyers do, so they get away with most things that other teams can not.

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by GhostWalker40 on Oct 9, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree they are goons and have been for some time, but I disagree that the league has built up any special tolerance to the Flyers. There wasn’t any evidence of the bite (except for the bite mark) and without some sort of CSI analysis I doubt they could prove anything. Everyone knows Fartsmell is a joke of a human being, including himself. I’m sure he’ll get his eventually, it’s only a matter of time. . . which is one of the best things about hockey, it’s self regulating to some respect.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The one thing I enjoy out of this is it kinda leaves it up to the players to even things out. I don’t expect Letang to go for Hartnell’s head with a baseball swing in December (and frankly I’d be pretty disheartened by that), but I do think there will be some kind of altercation to close this thing out and move on.

Like I was saying over on Broad Street Hockey (we have a good convo going there), this shouldn’t be seen as a ruling in favor of Philly and against Pittsburgh. It’s just a ruling, fair and square. The league doesn’t see Philly and Pittsburgh they see two teams. They don’t see Crosby or Malkin, Richards or Carter, they see a bizarre incident on ice that MAY have involved a player fish hooking another and MAY have involved another player biting down on a finger. It really is pretty laughable when you think about it. ridiculous, but still laughable.

Now I will say I’d be really surprised if Letang made this all up. And a lot of Flyers fans would say they wouldn’t be surprised if Hartnell did bite Letang. But the circumstances leading to the result are unclear and really there’s no way of passing a definitive judgment on this one. I like the ruling and think we will have a very interesting game in December.

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by FrankD on Oct 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

What I think is even more disturbing then Hartnell biting Letang is the clothesline that Mike “Pierre McGuire’s Love Child” Richards puts on Fleury. For a guy who is supposed to be a leader and a class act, why take a run at an opposing teams goalie with a second left in the game? It’s one thing to go hard at the net but it’s another thing to throw your forearm into the goalies throat . . . Nothing but class.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

even if

there was a clse up shoiwng hartnell chomping on tangers finger he woudlnt have gotten suspended… a pipe dream like the demand for AO’s suspension after going knee to knee on gooch

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

see but that’s not true. Because if there was a video of Hartnell biting down on Letang’s fingers there wouldn’t be any question if he did it or not. Right now the whole reason why the league didn’t suspend him is because there are a ton of questions surrounding this. Including but not limited to:

Did Letang fish hook Hartnell?
Did Hartnell react to said fish hook by biting down?
If not, did Hartnell grab Letang’s hand in the scrum and bite?
Did Letang make it up?

When you get to the point where there is a longer list of questions than there is indisputable evidence, you really just have to let it slide. What’s done is done. It’s between the players now and both sides are counting down the days till December.

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by FrankD on Oct 9, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

add in the fact that this is an ongoing issue between hartnell and tanger it really is no suprise. see the slew foot he chucked out there last year in the playoffs.

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just remembered having a similar discussion with you about this. So I found the link. So it was “more of a trip” in May, and now it’s a “slew foot he chucked out there”. Unless I’m mixing up my Hartnell on Letang in last year’s playoffs memories.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it could have been considered either or really. but i do know he’s fortunate to have his foot still attached, hartnell was flying when his foot hit him if i remember…

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But you considered that same play “more of a trip” when arguing that AO was a dirty player who should be suspended, and now that it’s once again Hartnell who you think is a dirty player and should be suspended, it’s a “slew foot”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 9, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

open mouth, insert foot. point taken. but regardless it is still a quesitonable play at best is it not?

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It certainly was, and that was my point on that thread. Again, I don’t think it was intentional, but it was a very dangerous play that needs to be taken out of the game.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 9, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there are a lot of plays that need to be taken out of the game. but in the grand scheme of things, how many guys would find themselves out of work because of it? i kinda touch on this in my good for the goose thread. if the league is going to say it will “crack down” on the extra stuff after whistles and the message sending when will that crack down actually take place? is this like some kind of bill in washington that needs 6 months of funding to take effect or something?

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, then you have to ask whether a play like that can be taken out of the game by the League, the GMs, coaches, or players. Because, no matter how much you fine or suspend a guy, hits to the head will still happen until the players’ attitudes change. I just had this conversation in regards to Stephane Robidas’ hit on J.P. Dumont. There, Robidas kept his elbow to his body, skates on the ground, even crouched so as not to aim high. He still gave him a concussion on a questionable hit. Nothing in the rule book is available to stop that play from happening, it’s the players’ decision to forgo the “effective check” for the “crushing check” that leads to serious injuries.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

havent seen it

but its like in da foosball. take last years afc conferance championship game. with the game pretty much decided, a hand off to willis magahee up the l/h side of the line is met by a missle by the name of clarke. magahee with a severe concussion, out cold before he hit the ground. clark went in shoulder pad first, but it looked to me like he wanted to put his shoulder through willis’s nose.

hits to the head = suspension
hits to the knee = suspension

clean hit that de-blades a guy = kudos. if a concusison comes of it thats life, but you can only protect the players so much in this game or any contact game.

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 10, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quote from Hartnell at practice today

“(Letang) had me in a headlock, his free hand was in there, and I can’t tell you what happened but I definitely didn’t bite him. I know he was complaining like he did, but his bare hand was scratching my face and hands were everywhere. I’m a pretty honest player, I think I’ve said that all along. I play the game hard; I play the game the right way. You don’t want to take liberties with anyone in fights or hits, or anything. I think if you ask guys in our dressing room here they’ll say the same thing, and guys around the league. I like to chirp a little bit and get in the mix a little bit after the whistles, but that’s part of my game. That’s how I play, and that’s how I have to play to be effective.”

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

can’t tell you what happened but I definitely didn’t bite him.

so which is it?

I’m a pretty honest player, I think I’ve said that all along. I play the game hard; I play the game the right way

lol

get in the mix a little bit after the whistles, but that’s part of my game.That’s how I play, and that’s how I have to play to be effective

this isnt scott hartnells version of hockey which is strikingly similar to slap shot. you play to each whistle. this means i have 0 skill and must slew foot, take cheap shots inbetween the whistle and everything else to compete, lest i find myself on the phantoms roster by the end of the week

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be an inaccurate, clouded assessment of a perennial 20-30 goal scorer.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how so?

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

when was the last time you saw hartnell stick handle through one guy to score? all his goals are ontop of the crease, all rebounds. his skill is much like avery’s skill hes an agitator who relies on play after the whistle. once he gets his cheap shtos in, drawing retaliation penalties, he camps out in front of the net to bang in rebounds….

skill yeah not so much

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oldtime: How many goals did Sid score in the playoffs from within 5 feet of the net?? I think you’re amiss/blinded by hate not to realize there is at least some skill involved in banging home rebounds.

I agree he doesn’t have the skill to tip-toe around players and score, but how many players really do? I don’t see Kunitz doing that.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oldtimehockey09, you can’t tell a flyers fan that anyone on their team is a goon or cheap shot artist.

You should also know that “Crosby sucks!”

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by GhostWalker40 on Oct 9, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Riley Cote is a goon. Dan Carcillo is also a goon. Scott Hartnell is a stupid hockey player, but he’s not a goon and he’s got quite a bit of talent.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what talent?

jd, when have you seen hartnell baseball a puck out of mid air, AT CHEST LEVEL?

the prettiest 5 foot out goal i have ever seen was last yaer against the caps, shot goes into sids skate, two wuick flick back of the net. that sir is skill. not the shenanigans that hartnell pulls every game. he’s a goon whos just tough enough to be nearly immovable from the front of the net. nothing more

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lots of spell fail

“two quick flicks”

not to metion mispelling year… :(

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I wasn’t saying he has the same amount of skill as Sid. But I’m am saying he has more skill than a player like Eric Goddard. He’s more than merely a goon.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he doesnt even have the samke skill of tk.

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha. Yeah, I’m not saying I like the Flyers, or especially Hartnell . . . I agree that he is a cheapshot artist. But I think it’s wrong to say that he isn’t also a decent hockey player.

And also, we all know that Flyers fans aren’t the classiest group of fans. Travis, I’m not saying that you are everyone/anyone at Broad Street Hockey are classless, but the collective fandom in the City of Philadelphia could use some class. I respect that Philly loves there sports teams, but it just seems like there is a disproportionate number of a-holes around. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s a lot of media perception, honestly. The famous throwing snowballs at Santa episode is one that’s always brought up, but the media always ignores the fact that “Santa” was pelted because he was visibly drunk and there were kids around.

There was a picture on Empty Netters last night of the LOVE Park sign in Philly. It was Photoshopped to say “KILL”. It’s little things like this that are just disrespectful and don’t improve the discourse in the slightest bit, and it leads to false perceptions among the masses.

I’ve been a Philadelphia fan my entire life (of every team) and I’ve never seen more than booing/ribbing/maybe some yelling at opposing fans. Do worse things happen? Sure, but it’s naive to think things like that don’t happen anywhere else. Personally, I’ve had a few miserable experiences on Long Island that far outweigh anything I’ve ever seen an opposing fan experience in Philly.

In fact, last season in the playoffs, my section was doused with beer. The whole section. A Pens fan did it. It goes both ways.

The difference between Philly and most other cities is that we expect a lot out of our teams and that makes us seem out-of-control. We’ll boo our own players, and a lot of people look down on us for that. We also want our buildings to be miserable places for visiting fans. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that mentality, as long as it stays respectful. It usually does, until alcohol is involved, but again, that’s the case everywhere else as well.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

respect

it is a two way street, i agree 100%. me posting a lol to a guy who somehow has the notion that the pens have had everything handed to them from the commish is insane. the concept of my view on hartnell being skewed, inaccurate, and clouded is the same statement just different wording. just because you dont see what goes on in philly stadiums doesnt mean you see everything. if you watch hartnell play the game, not the game just hartnell, i would be dumbfounded to find anyone who thinks this guy is a good player.

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hartnell’s goal-assist totals the past four seasons:

25-23
22-17
24-19 (in 67 games)
30-30

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so because a guy

gets 60 points per season, that makes him good? by that assesment wendell young was a fantastic player, so was alexie morozov.

you play the game with respect for the game. the guy has none therefore hes a goon. he’s avery in a flyers sweater…

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scoring 20-30 goals consistently in the NHL makes you a good player. Not sure how much debate there can be about that.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so by that assesment

vinny propsal not good (19)

kyle okposo not good (18)

milan lucic sucks (17)

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um, it’s not the ONLY criteria for being a good player.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

we will just have to agree to disagree. fact is you watch this guy rather then the game and its appauling

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s appauling that you don’t know how to spell “appalling”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 9, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol@

getting a warning for “trolling” when you come over here and do the same thing. spectacular.

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

These aren’t things that should be commented on publicly, let alone on another site. If you have a problem with what’s already been dealt with, I have an email address.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tell yah what

since its obvious that once i post not one but two valid posts on your board and they promptly got deleted there is no forum for outside opinion on BSH. so il just hang out over here where frank lav, and company run a darn good open forum on not just the pens, but all things hockey.

and when i have to sign a confidentiality agreement to post on a message board i will take your comments into consideration.

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and who

keeps deleting valid posts? what are you guys republicans or something over there trying to limit free speech?

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you really want to argue on Pensburgh that a post you put on BSH saying, “lol wonder if this post will get deleted also” is a valid post? I don’t think that’s helping this conversation at all.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah

but the post up there previously was a valid post. the pens worked diligantly to get to where they are today, yet there are some out there that assume that the cup has been handed to them. do you have any idea how hard it is to be that bad for so long? seriously!!!

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea what post you are referring to. I didn’t see it, so the only thing I can say is that in the BSH Game Thread, someone made a comment regarding the NHL favoring the Penguins and not only Frank, Travis, and myself called him out, but many other members of BSH did as well.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 9, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

the darn things gone now! im actually having wuite the gigle over it while making a post about when enough is enough in regards to the league. should be intresting discussion forum

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

meh, just let it go oldtime. no need to get crazy over it. Everyone runs their site their own way. If Geoff and Travis felt you said something out of context there then that’s their prerogative. Even the other day I censored myself on BSH because I wasn’t sure what the site’s rules were.

As long as you know you can always voice your opinion here you have nothing to worry about.

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by FrankD on Oct 10, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What’s with the offensive republican comment? That’s a bit out of context . . . and “appaulling” haha

by JDMaker1 on Oct 10, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know if it’s a matter of just picking up 60 points a season. I think it’s more about maintaining that over a few years.

I think Hartnell is a good player for what he is. He’s a jerk. He’s an idiot. He embraces these labels and still goes to the beat of his own drum. To the best of my knowledge he’s never really taken cheap shots at anyone (Travis can clear that up I’m sure). I mean, the guy threw a glove at Ryan Malone during a breakaway because he didn’t have a stick. He knows he’s a joke. At least he doesn’t take himself seriously.

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by FrankD on Oct 9, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I can respect that. I think that every team has its share of a-hole, immature fans. I’ve personally never been to a game in Philly. I’ve only heard the crowd on tv and read stories from fans that have been there (which I can’t actually verify for accuracy).

I’ve experienced some pretty bad fans on long island myself, but in the baseball realm. I went to a Braves game (I’m a fan if you couldn’t tell from my icon) at Shea stadium. The fans where atrocious. The funny part is the fans where just drumming their own players. They could hardly care that I was wearing a Braves hat behind them. We actually had a semi intelligent conversation in between the slurs they yelled at Beltran. Needless to say, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Another experience in NYC was in the Bronx at a Yankees-Orioles game. I went to see the old Yankee stadium before they tore it down, but I wore a Redsox hat. I didn’t wear the hat because I like them, but because I just wanted to make a point that I really don’t like the Yankees (hate them both actually, I just thought it would be funny). Man was I mistaken. I felt like I needed a secret service detail to get around that place safely, Even old ladies were throwing ice and beer at me, it was quite the experience. Luckily, my girlfriend and I got out of there safely by the end of the night. I guess i was asking for it.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In my only trip to Shea, the Phils were in the midst of a September sweep of the Mets, taking the division lead after being 6.5 games back. Yeah, 2007. I think that experience is an unfair barometer, but you can imagine how it went.

I’ve had good experiences with Yankees fans in my two trips to their stadium (once the old one for the Homerun Derby last year, once the new one for Phils/Yanks this year), minus the fact that they think the Earth they walk on should be kissed. Of course, I’m not a Sox fan.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Side note: I met the most obnoxious Pittsburgh fan of my life in Philly during a Pens/Flyers game. He said he played junior hockey with a few of the Pens. Then when i asked him where, he down talked it to, “Well, it’s sorta like junior hockey,” which he then down talked to weekend play. By the end I’m pretty sure he was just one of those guys who buys into the weekend camps with the Penguins.

He then proceeded to instigate a bunch of crap in the Flyers section which, for the most part, didn’t harass me much outside of a few lame jokes and insults. But the Pens guy got me in more crap than I wanted because he thought that we were buddies with the same love for the team. I just wanted a new seat to enjoy the game I paid for.

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by FrankD on Oct 9, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha. I have to agree with Travis on this one.

IMO, Hartnell is a joke of a human being (i.e throwing his glove, his stick, his haircut, etc), but he’s still a pretty good hockey player. He gives it 110% all the time, even if it that 10% is beyond the rules, you’ve got to respect that.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

negative

you play within the rule set of the game, to the whistle, eveyrthing else is shenanigans. hes an expert at shenanigans, nothing more

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True, but if you choose to ignore the rules and embrace that image consistently than so be it. Hartnell does just that. So much to a point where you can almost get away with saying, “That’s just Hartnell being Hartnell.”

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by FrankD on Oct 9, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that is wrong

its wrong on so many different fronts i cant even go in depth. the fact that the are kids somewhere looking up to this guy because of his shenanigans and the good ol i wanna be like scotty hartnell thing… this isnt the nfl, home of the corrupt and classless….

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I meant you have to respect that he gives it 110%, not that you have to respect that he breaks the rules. That might not have been clear above.

I’ve got no love for the guy. I think he’s a joke. But he plays hard and he has more skill than you give him credit. He’s one of those rare 60 point guys that I wouldn’t want on my team. I just think he does more harm than good with his antics, but he does give it his all . . . . all the time . . . for better or worse.

by JDMaker1 on Oct 9, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh and btw

thanks for the warning, ill make sure not to ever call out flyers fans for being retarded ever again

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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Filyhadelphia at it’s best, the Broad Street Goonies Strike again, What more can you say. Go Pens. The Flyers will be watching the Cup Finals from home again.

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