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The Elephant In The Room


So thus far the Penguins look pretty decent, going 3-1 in their first four games, seemingly picking up where they left off last year.  The defense hasn't shown any huge breakdowns yet, and the penalty killing simply needs to mesh better.  Crosby and Malkin's relatively slow starts surely are aberrations and it won't be long until they start challenging Ovechkin for league lead in points again.  Yet there is something wrong, something obvious, something that everybody knows but nobody wants to address.  The answer after the jump.

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After it became clear that the Penguins were not going to resign Petr Sykora (likely a mistake, given that his decreased performance at the end of last season was due to an admitted shoulder injury rather than a perceived inability to fit into Bylsma's system), management was forced to determine how it would go about finding a scoring winger for Geno's line, especially once Talbot went down for the first few months of the season.  The initial word was that perhaps this would give the club's prospects a chance to establish themselves and get some experience in the NHL, à la Letang, Kennedy, and Goligoski.  Then, the more sober projections emerged, in which Pascal Dupuis would be the candidate to plug the line in Talbot's absence.  Then, at the beginning of training camp, we began to hear how wonderfully Kennedy fit with Geno and Feds, but it soon became apparent that Bylsma was unwilling to break up a good thing with the extremely reliable third line.  So we've been forced to make excuses for Dupuis looking bewildered on the second line, while Bylsma attempts to throw other wingers on the line whenever he can, even adapting Jordan Staal for the line and sacrificing one of the major elements which has made the Penguins one of the best teams in the league over the past couple years: their strength down the middle.

At every turn, everyone has made excuses and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole by breaking up one of the league's best third lines and trying to force offense by shuffling around the team's resources.  This leaves us with Adams centering the third line, and Godard getting ice time.  Not to mention, even when Talbot comes back, is he likely to score at the same pace he did in the playoffs?


What nobody seems prepared to acknowledge is that something must be done for Malkin's right wing.  When the Penguins failed to resign Sykora (and the Wild picked him up for an extremely affordable price which the Pens could have managed if they had wanted to do so) I figured they had a backup plan.  But after no free agents were signed, after it was decided that Kennedy would not stick on that wing, after all the prospects were sent to the minors, and now after Dupuis has proven to be overextending himself in the role he was given, it is becoming increasingly obvious that one cannot simply lose a 25+ goal scorer on Geno's wing and replace him with someone who has never broken 20 goals or who is inexperienced.  Fedotenko is a good player but he won't be potting 25 anytime soon, so who does Geno have to work with?  What of the days of Malone and Sykora?  Does Shero have a plan?  Because the roster right now is quite clearly missing a component.  The forwards are spread too thin and the line combos keep having to be tweaked. 

 

What do you think Shero should do?

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to early to tell

well number one remember that this season just started. yes i agree 100% that dups is looking as lost as a kid in a victoria secrets but we need to evalate this at a later date. maybe ray is hoping that tangardi and caputi imrpove dramatically this seaseon and show great promise during thier inveitable call ups as the season goes along.

but who do we have that is trade bait? no one i would really be willing to give up. not tk, not cooke, not bill, not kunitz. we wouldnt get anything for pascal or adams and i certianly wouldnt want to see gogo or lovejoy leave the system. to me the only option is the development of tangardi and caputi.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

spelling sucks...so does proof reading

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they could have waived a couple of the useless contracts (since we had a little cap space, all we really needed to do was dump a million, maybe less) and signed a winger over free agency. They should have resigned Sykora, but maybe they could have worked a deal with someone else who would have taken less. It’s all idle speculation now, but I didn’t get the impression they were working toward that end.

by ipenguin67 on Oct 9, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't panic yet

Pens won’t miss Sykora. Bylmsa is mixing up the lines, the Staal/Fedotenko/Malkin combination looked pretty good last time and moving Adams up with Cooke and Kennedy, that trio made a real nice setup on the 5th Goal. Wouldn’t be surprise if these same 2nd/3rd line combinations are together for the Toronto game. Once Talbot gets back, we’ll be even better.

by Randy F on Oct 9, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Talbot’s not really a second liner… And Staal’s not a winger.

by ipenguin67 on Oct 9, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Bourque on Geno’s right. Problem solved.

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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

just because hes quick and a hard worker, doesnt mean he'll mesh

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 9, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don’t seem to have even enough confidence in Bourque to play him instead of Goonard. I didn’t think he looked half bad in the game he played.

by ipenguin67 on Oct 10, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, this may be a little radical but listen to the rationale for this:

Tangradi – Crosby – Guerin
Fedotenko – Malkin – Kennedy
Kunitz – Staal – Cooke
4th line

I know what everyone will say about letting Tangradi develop, and I agree, but we gave Goligoski as similar opportunity when a player was injured and let him come out for the first couple months of the year and then sent him down to develop more. I think that Tangradi is a smart enough player that he would fit in well, and he’s meshed with Crosby in the preseason. Kunitz has scored but one goal since the end of last regular season and has looked somewhat listless so far in this year. When he broke in with the Pens he was on Staal’s line and they had some great chemistry. Hey, why not give it a shot? Kunitz provides some good energy and spark for that line, and Kennedy has the skill to play with Geno.

by ipenguin67 on Oct 10, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like your thinking, but I am not sure that now is the time for radical solutions. I am sure that we will see Tangradi (and quite possibly Caputi) before the end of the season – and I am still interested to see if/where Bourque fits into the rotation – but I really don’t think we need to look to radically change the team’s make-up just, yet. There will be time and opportunity shake-up the line-up during the course of an 82 game season.

by 4-1-True on Oct 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Tangradi’s ready to take a full-time shift in the NHL right now. He’s just 20 years old. Asking him to play on Sid Crosby’s line is a lot and probably a little too much. It’ll happen, but not now. No reason to rush him.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real solution is to trade Geeno for Ovechkin and watch Alex score 150 goals on Sid’s wing. Just kidding, but really there aren’t enough talented wingers on any team to make lines with our three centers. Everyone just has to do their best with what they got.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 11, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like your thinking, however even if they did try tangradi on the 1st line, no way would they break up the third line too. they would probably stick kunitz on the 2nd line, and keep tk on the third

by PensRock1 on Oct 10, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

 I agree with your point, just not with the tone. It is not that dire; it is certainly not an elephant in the room. Elephants in small spaces ruin everything; second-line wingers are complementary. We could certainly use an upgrade at that position right now, but this is such a small concern considering 1) other teams concerns (imagine staking your seasons hopes on Ray Emery or Jose Theodore) and 2) we have options on IR, our roster, and in Wilkes-Barre.

by 4-1-True on Oct 10, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

A few points

Staal on Geno’s wing. This is not a full-time solution, it is a spot work combo. Staal needs more Ice Time, he’s too good to sit on the bench. Both him and Geno have played some wing and can do it. Alternating Dupuis and Staal isn’t a bad idea, it gets us to when Talbot comes back. Talbot is a third line wing, Kennedy is a second line wing. Thing is they meshed in the lines they are in. So that is where they play.

As for Sykora, that boat sailed, let it go.

Young players develop, let’s give them time. Tangradi doesn’t fit Crosby. He’d do better with Malkin. Playing on Sid’s line is tough. Sid plays at a high level, but he plays in a way that requires smart line mates with a lot of versatility and soft hands. That’s a lot to ask of a rookie. And when we called up Gogo, it wasn’t to be the main defensive guy, his job fit him. Tangradi doesn’t fit Sid’s line. If you want Tangradi up you put him on Malkin’s line and let him play Ryan Malone for a bit. He would be better suited to that, and Malkin can do more with guys like that than Sid can.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you hit it with Staal, phantaskippy. He may be suited more as a center, but he’s a guy who score 29 goals as an 18 year old. Staal’s a finisher and a goal-scorer as a winger, in addition to being an awesome 3rd line center.

If it were up to me (and it’s not), I’d keep Staal on Malkin’s wing for the forseeable future, along with Fedotenko. Guerin and Kunitz stick with Crosby and that’s as good as a top 6 as there is right now in the NHL.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 11, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m waiting for the Geeno, Sid, Staal PP line. You have to do it sometime, I mean really, throw it out there.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 11, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES.

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by jetpen89 on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Tangradi played on Sid’s wing during the preseason, he meshed just fine there. Tangradi is a smart linemate with versatility. I think he’d do fine. Plus it almost takes more to play with Malkin because Malkin’s usually the one pulling really random stuff at really random times that most players would never see coming.

As for Sykora, everyone seemed so ready to just write him off at the end of last year. Obviously it was disappointing that he wasn’t scoring, but as was mentioned earlier, it’s hard to score with a bum arm. He was our best winger through two seasons (not including Hossa’s brief stint) and one of my favorite Pens over that time, but when it comes time to maybe spring for a million or two to keep a 25 goal scorer who fits well with Malkin, nobody seemed to think it was worth the trouble. I’d rather have Sykora right now than Fedotenko, and trust me, that’s nothing against Feds.

by ipenguin67 on Oct 11, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t see the preseason, I’ve seen a lot of younger skaters have pucks bounce off their stick when they had easy goals because of Crosby’s wicked no look fastballs through three defenders, Guerin and Hossa are the only ones I’ve seen handle them well. Hossa was phenomenal with Crosby, but then if you really don’t want to win the cup, leaving the Pens makes sense. So yeah, Maybe Tangradi will work when he moves up. If they gelled well in the preseason I’d like to see a call up here in a month or so.

As to Sykora, I wouldn’t have touched him with a ten foot pole this offseason, he looked done at the end of last year. After they didn’t want him I don’t think he would have came back for less either. He wasn’t fitting well with Malkin late in the season, he was dragging the whole line down. As for Fedetenko, the man is much better than stats show, and better than he looks. There’s a reason Bylsma loves the guy. Sykora at his best isn’t a clear cut winner over Tenks IMO.

I’d like to see Kennedy on Malkin’s wing, but when you have three really good centers you have to share the wingers.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 11, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As mentioned earlier, “he looked done” because he had a bad shoulder injury which he wouldn’t take himself out of the lineup for. This is the only reason he was playing badly. Sykora at his best scores 24 goals up until February. A healthy Sykora finishes that season with at least 30. Fedotenko at his best brings things Sykora can’t bring, but he can’t bring 30 goals, at least not anymore.

by ipenguin67 on Oct 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are 4-1...

….what’s wrong with winning 80% of your games whether you have a winger or not.

This team has chemistry and that is the most important thing.

Shero will do what is necessary. He does it every year and this is no different.

This team as constructed now has zero major flaws and yeah could use and upgrade or two, but so could every team in this era.

We have a great defense, great goalie, and as Mario said, when you have Sid and Geno, you can do anything!

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

You have a 29 goal scorer on the team already and nobody wants to use him like one.

Staal being the center on the third line, making it maybe the best third line in the NHL is great, but it’s still just the third line. I liked Staal on the wing as a rookie, and I like him there now. The kid has hands. So what if Cooke, Staal, and Kennedy could cycle (like the Sedins?) the puck around the offensive zone like they owned it. Adams can fill the same role nearly as well, so let him do it and fill someone in on the 4th line.

Like, I don’t know, Dupuis.

by JustinM on Oct 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I like how they’re having him bounce back and forth.

3rd line centers see 3rd pairing defensemen a lot — especially when the defense really has to be concerned with Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin on separate lines. Staal slips right through that and can see some better matchups. Of course playing with guys like Cooke that don’t usually finish hurts and is a disadvantage.

I’m all for keeping it flexible and bouncing him between 3rd line center and 2nd line wing.

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by Hooks Orpik on Oct 15, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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