New Jersey Devils vs. Pittsburgh Penguins [Open Thread]
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Sorry I don’t.
The game is on NHL Network in the US, if anyone out there gets that channel. It’s the FSN Pittsburgh’s feed there too.
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Alright, here we go! C'mon Pens!
Two D-men with three combined NHL games? What could go wrong? Prediction: Pens win 3-2.
I like the optimism.
Hey being at home has to help, right?
I say Pens win and a Bill Guerin breaks out of his little slump.
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Yeah, nice little personality. Dan Potash has a great rapport with the players, you can tell the way guys like Guerin, Talbot, Rupp and the othes treat him. That and the players are pretty big hams.
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I think a lot of NJ fans are worried that this may be some sort of a trap game. Under normal circumstances playing Pittsburgh wouldn’t be, but playing against a team that is obviously injured can be
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Playing on the road against a division rival that’s the Stanley Cup champion?
I don’t see how that is a trap, I don’t think the Devil players will have any problem getting up for this game.
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Yeah trap isn’t the word I’m looking for but I know the Devils fans over at ILWT aren’t taking it lightly. They are a bit concerned the streak may end tonight, so let’s see the Pens make that happen
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Crosby, Rupp, Staal. That’s an interesting line….Why? did the horn just sound? Let’s hope it’s prophetic.
Maybe just a reminder of what it sounds like when you score
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The goal horn just went off, and faceoff factor said on twitter another zamboni died on the ice (no fluid like last time, thankfully)
another odd night in the old arena.
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For as much as everyone’s bemoaned the latest little slump, the winner of this game will be in 1st place in the Eastern Conference in the standings tomorrow morning.
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D pairings
Gogo – McKee
Eaton – Engelland
Skoula – Lovejoy
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I guess that’s the best you could hope for..
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I like the first pairing still intact. From there the vet-rook, vet-rook approach is just about as good as you can make it with the staff to work with
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Agreed. Under the circumstances, that looks pretty good.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s a mix between a question and a request ;-)
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Actually, if you were to sit down and watch a Devils game from circa the mid-1990’s and compare it to the way the Devils play today, you would be able to see a marked difference in the style of play. The Devils haven’t abandoned their defense-first approach to the game over the past decade-and-a-half, but they are no longer play the straight-up neutral zone trap, mostly because of post-lockout rule changes that were made to render that system untenable.
The Devils are nothing if not resourceful, however, and in the four seasons since the lockout they’ve tweaked their old game into what I think of as a light, watered down version of the neutral zone trap, eliminating the clutch-and-grab aspect (made illegal by the league’s focus on enforcing the anti-obstruction rules) from it and emphasizing responsible defensive play by all five skaters on the ice, who will play as a five man unit.
But it doesn’t really matter whether Lemaire is “still doing the trap” or not, because his team is winning, and at the end of the regular season, the only thing that truly matters is the number in the points column. It isn’t how they were obtained, but how many there are that determines whether a team makes the playoffs. Why mess with success?
Skoula almost cracked one there. Weird shot almost went in
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I wanna see Rupp score against his former team
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It’s still early but the Pens look pretty good right now
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Yeah, we’ve gotten some pressure and not given up any glaring chances.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Open in the slot and you dish it back to Guerin? Come on.
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Brilliant play by Rupp, though.
Not often you see Brodeur mishandle a puck like that.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
He was pokechecking like a forward behind the net
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Chris Bourque sucks
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unbelievable. wide open friggin net and he can’t bury it. NO ONE THERE
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Yeah, pretty sure even I could have put that one in.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Devils announcer just said “in all fairness Bourque is a left-handed shot and didn’t have that much room to put it in.”
In reality it was on his forehand. He should’ve buried it
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I think Bourque's inexperience showed there
A couple more NHL games for him and he makes that shot…
go pens!
i don’t think you can defend him on that one. We’ve all been pretty patient with him but seriously, when you miss a wide-open net you really get on my S-list
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This is Dan Bylsma hockey. Looks like the guys finally have started to acclimate to having all those guys out.
Yeah, I like how we look so far. If we can keep it up we should do well.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, so far so good….Just gotta get that first one home.
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The question of Borque getting his first goal has gone from being a question to being a request to now something more like a prayer.
“MANPOWER THAT IN!” — is what you’d hear if you were in my hous.
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Yeah a lot of things by the wayside there.
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That streak was pretty pointless wasn’t it?
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
As a love of puns, I very much appreciate that joke.
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Hi all. First time in the live thread. The wife is catching up on Grey’s Anatomy. (UGH).
Bad Penalty
What’s a bad penalty? The hooking or having to watch Grey’s Anatomy?
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Might be a bit of both, but the Pens are looking good by any standards.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, even when they’re winning they look flat.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
it’s the boring-for-life, but playoff-bound-for-life thing I never liked about the Devils…
You have to see it for yourself...
Yeah that sums it up.
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still benched on my roster because I couldn’t drop and add fast enough
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hah rest assured it was just a dig to anyone in League B then, where I am not doing as well as League A
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i hate it when that situation happens with a player coming off the IR. so whack
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Can’t wait until Brodeur gets burned when he goes out to get the puck.
Can’t stand that cocky, cry baby
I couldn't believe my eyes when it almost happened earlier.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
I wouldn’t say he’s overrated but I’d definitely agree that he’s cocky. He admitted in his book that the trapezoid was invented specifically to stop puck-playing goaltenders like him
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Well when you play as long as him, you’re bound to break a few records. He’s nothing special.
by GhostWalker40 on Nov 12, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because it was. What other explanation could there possibly be for putting a shape I haven’t seen since sophomore geometry class behind the net? The NHL claims it’s to create more offense, but the way in which it creates offense is by essentially putting puckhandling goaltenders on a leash. It allows the opposing team to dump the puck in and pursue it by taking away the goalie’s option of retrieving the puck and passing it up to a defenseman to skate it out of the defensive zone. A goaltender who is capable of both skating and playing the puck well is a rarity in the NHL, and Brodeur is widely acknowledged to be the best puckhandler ever to play the game. His ability gives whatever team he plays for an advantage that the twenty-nine other teams in the league most likely do not have, and while the trapezoid doesn’t eliminate his ability to play the puck entirely, it does significantly curb it, so Brodeur isn’t wrong when he said what he did.
Errey had somethin like 120+ goals as a Pen. Get him out there on the second line and move Phil Bourque into the TV booth
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Nice defensive play by Lovejoy. Way to play the body on Parise
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man, Detroit has injury problems of it’s own… there are guys playing for them I’ve never heard of…
You have to see it for yourself...
If you want to see what that does to your GAA in league A, take a look at my matchup stats this week : (
eesh, I can only imagine. It actually changed his seasons’ GAA from like 2.79 to 3. something.
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They destroyed Columbus last night though, 9-1
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doc emerick is the worst, i hate living in the nyc area
Anyone see that puck go off the shaft of brodeur’s stick earlier? could we get a break?
We did, when Flower stopped it with the bottom of his foot.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Doc is the best commentator in the NHL
by GhostWalker40 on Nov 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
pfft, he tries to make everything sound like it’s the most exciting thing in the world. I’ll take steigy or lang any day.
by puckhead45_82 on Nov 12, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
haha I was ready to pounce before you corrected yourself
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Oh Christ. Well, they sure as hell put a lot of pressure on there
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Indeed.
Although Conner created a scoring chance with his rush, you’d like to see him get that puck in deep and get off.
I’m sure he’ll do it next time, though.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Too long of a shift by Conner.
Deryk Engelland was running around like a chicken with his head cut off that shuft.
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that’s actually really funny, i never thought of that
by puckhead45_82 on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
The real question is, have we ever seen Forsberg and Bergfors in the same room at the same time?
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Yeah they haven’t been calling every little thing but they call that? Shitty.
Gotta get out of this period at 1-1 here.
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So much for that
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On the bright side, Ben Lovejoy just scored his first career NHL goal
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haha he officially has -1 goals. He has to score 2 to get his first for the Pens
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You sure the Devils didn’t call up Lovejoy? Sure helped them there
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Must we always rip into the young guys so much? That’s an easy mistake to make. He wasn’t even in bad position, it was just a bad bounce.
Yeah, not his fault; just a bad bounce.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah not really his fault, just a crazy bounce that sometimes happens.
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Power play to start the period with fresh ice. Really would be nice to finally cash in here.
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I’m more banking on Sidney or Goligoski taking it upon themselves to make it happen
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Kinda unrelated, but I’ll never really understand why Ken Daneyko’s number is retired in NJ.
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I mean, I know he played his entire career there and all, but his numbers aren’t exactly retirement worthy
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Do the numbers you are looking at include blocked shots, finished checks, penalties drawn, heart, charisma, timely scrums, quality instigation and good defensive positioning at almost all times?
I am not a huge fan, but he was a guy that seemed to do all the right things for a very long time for one organization. He put the team first always.
This is true but a lot of guys are those heart and soul kinda personalities that will never get a number lifted to the rafters. Guess the Devils really don’t have that one guy in franchise history other than Stevens.
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Well yeah, but his number isn’t retired. I mean, I guess the Penguins’ standards for retiring a number are different than NJ’s.
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He hooked, held and obstructed his way to a place in the Devils organization’s heart that, a story they’ll want to tell for generations to come.
Kidding aside, he played 175 playoff games, and I believe he appeared in every single game of the franchise’s history (up to 2003 when he retired, obviously).
A great defensive defenseman but not one of the legends….IMO only an all-time great that you tell stories about for years to come should have their numbers retire. But my bar is high.
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I agree to an extent, but the Pens do not have a penguins version of Daneyko. Maybe Ulfie, but for not nearly as long.
I think it is a quality tribute.
30 years from now will anyone know who the hell he is? Nope.
Same thing happened where I live in Washington with some guy named Labre, a defensive dman from back in the day. His number is retired. I like to quiz Cap fans what number he wore and 90% don’t know and have never heard of him. (A test of who I want to talk hockey with around there parts)
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Probably right, but I will remember him due to he was a stalwart in a time when I had more time for hockey than anything else in life. Heck, we used to hand score fantasy hockey before any of us could afford a computer for Excel. (and none of us drafted Daneyko)
Haha that’s pretty sweet.
I say honor your important players but save retiring numbers for almost generational talents that spend almost their whole careers with you.
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Because we love him here. Ken Daneyko embodies many of the qualities prized by both the Devils organization and their fans. He played his entire career with the Devils, during both the good times and the bad. He is one of only five players to be on all three of the Devils Stanley Cup winning teams. He played a physical, blue-collar style of hockey that endeared him to the fans.
In the end I believe it is his loyalty, however, that convinced the Devils management (i.e., Lou Lamoriello), that Daneyko was worthy of having such an honour bestowed upon him. He remained a Devil for his entire twenty-year career, even though I’m sure a GM or two was willing to offer a bruising defensive defenseman like Daneyko when he was in his prime more money than he was making in New Jersey to come play on their blueline. The fact that he made the decision to play for less money on a team he believed had the chance to compete for a championship every year is what got his number raised to the rafters, just like it got Scott Stevens’ jersey raised to the rafters before him and will be followed in due time by Martin Brodeur’s and probably Patrik Elias’s if he remains a Devil for the rest of his career. This is unfortunately the same reason why Scott Niedermayer, who played for the Devils for over a decade and who played a large role on all three of the team’s championship victories, will never be honoured in a similar fashion; because he left.
I don’t usually feel like the refs are “against” us but the calls have not been going our way tonight. Some really soft calls on us, then they get to trip us.
Yeah, the officiating has been uneven to say the least.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Conner with horrible indecision.
I think I’ve seen about enough of him too.
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What is Bourque’s contract status like? Can he be demoted to the minors or does he have to clear waivers?
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Great shot by Parise, but a better play by Zajac – that doesn’t happen without his great effort.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
It was a beautiful finish and a great setup….But the Penguins made so many mistakes it overshadows it to me
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There were definitely a lot of mistakes. Rarely see goals without at least one defensive mistake – players that can make those happen are rare.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
fail on McKee for getting caught standing still too.
plenty of blame to go around there.
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Yeah, it takes a whole team to suck like that.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Down 2 against the Devils is tough to come back from
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Especially with no Malkin
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If we were healthy I would say a comeback was on the horizon; without so many top guys, I’m not optimistic.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
It was way more painful to watch in Minny than NJ
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Lemaire is the worst.
But he’s damn good at sucking creativity, time and space away from the game.
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off topic… when a game ends 0:0 after regulation and OT do both goalies get the SO statistically?
You have to see it for yourself...
If I remember correctly they both get the shutout but one gets the W and the other gets the OTL
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And the only reason I remember thta is because last season I had two goaltenders in fantasy hockey play each other to a 0-0 shootout and i got the shutout for both
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No, I don’t think the shootout stats are attributed at all to goalies.
It’s weird, but hey, so is the whole overtime approach the NHL uses.
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Goligoski has been money for me in my roto league.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions
I bet so for where he was drafted in most leagues….I expect his production will be even better when Gonchar is back.
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Yeah, I got him with my second to last pick.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know why he looks so disgusted with himself for taking a penalty….These guys won’t make him pay.
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Yeah, you would think teams would take more liberties with the Penguins since everyone knows they can’t cash in
by GhostWalker40 on Nov 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
nice set up to Sid though. For what it’s worth which is, suffice to say, nothing
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Wow, Crosby can’t buy a goal. That was a beautiful sequence, minus the no-goal part.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions
Crosby just played left post/right post.
That earns you a goal in the neighborhood when you can’t find a goalie to play. But unfortunately not in the NHL.
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The Devils do a good job creating movement on their PP.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions
I sometimes can’t tell who Steigy & Errey are rooting for.
They make the other team sounds so much better than they actually are
Well this game does put a new first place team at the top of the Atlantic and conference. And the Devils will extend their road record to 9-0 with a win. And a win streak to 7 or 8 (can’t remember thta one). As much as I hate the Devils, it’s all starting to come together for them
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You might as well call the trapezoid, “The Brodeur Rule” because that’s totally what it is.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
That system has definitely prolonged his career
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Um, did you even watch hockey at all last season? Brodeur missed fifty games and it was business as usual for the Devils. Brodeur may be the greatest goaltender of all time, but the Devils are a good team, with or without him.
I did watch hockey last season and in fact I’m very familiar with the Devils’ misfortune last season. Brodeur, Rolston with his ankle, Elias tweaked his groin if I’m not mistaken, you guys were even starting Ansii Salmela at times when he probably would’ve been better served in the minors. But at least he netted his first goal as a Devil.
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So, they can win all their games, still doesn’t take away their choke job in the playoffs.
by GhostWalker40 on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
this is true. So why worry? Let them be the East’s version of the Sharks.
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Not worried, just hate listening to my own broadcasters damn near root for the other team
It’s not just this game, it’s all games.
by GhostWalker40 on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve noticed they do that when the score changes in favor of the other team.
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That seems to be another Lemaire hallmark – once you’re backed in to your zone, collapse to the crease and sweep anything up that you can.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
As frustrated as we are, the Pens are still the #3 team in the East in the standings and it looks like Malkin is coming back very soon.
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Anyone here that on the NHL network?
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions
A microphone picked up Kunitz dropping it.
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AH FUCK!
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A very loud, AH FUCK! came through on the air.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Kunitz got picked up on a mic saying “AHHH F——” pretty loudly
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Very loudly. Louder than the commentary I think.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
YEah, it was unusually loud….Almost like someone knew it was coming.
I think the crew producing the game is as frustrated as we are
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to the best of my knowledge they mic the boards in the corner. Guess he was right in front of it
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He’s been playing a buttload of minutes….I don’t think he looks tired, they’re just asking him to carry Gonchar and Letang’s load and that’s too much
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So, who has the better backhand? Pat Kane or Sidney Crosby? I’ve been very impressed with that shot tonight, admittedly I don’t get to watch either all that often.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions
I don’t get to watch Kane enough to say for sure, but Crosby’s got a great backhander.
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Crosby has a great backhand, of course I’m biased. Also, I haven’t seen much of Kane so I couldn’t say for sure.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s just get a fight in for the sake of getting a fight
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Agreed. At least it would be something for a highlight reel.
by OlenWhitaker on Nov 12, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Looked that way, nice release on it, too.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Errey just advocated Crosby pull “The Michigan”.
Uhh, no, Bob.
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Is it conceivable that getting Gonchar and Letang back will do more for the offense than Malkin? That’s the PP QB and two of your puckmoving d-men against a dynamic center.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions
Malkin and Gonchar rush the puck on the PP. The Pens might have leaned too heavily on them.
Getting either back would be a big, big plus
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WE ARE STILL IN THIRD PLACE WITH THE CAVALRY COMING!!!
Circle the wagons and put on the foil boys, its time to come out swinging
Yeah! Trade that bum! (To the Western Conference so my team doesn’t have to see him in the playoffs, please.)
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 12, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
With two dmen with a total of FIVE nhl games in front of him, and a third that started the season as our #7, 3 goals is not terrible to a very hot Devils team.
All the goals scored were VERY weak.
Fleury does a half ass job because he knows he won’t get the blame with all the injuries
by GhostWalker40 on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Give me a break, he had no chance on the 2nd and 3rd one and he wasn’t in the net for the 4th. The 1st he maybe could have had, but his guys abandoned him there. Fleury is one of the only reasons we’ve been in games lately (except for the SJ game, nobody showed up to that one).
Some of you guys here are starting to remind me of Flyers fans looking for someone to heap blame on. I thought the team played a very passionate, hard working game tonight, and if they had scored on that PP in the third, or if some of those posts that Sid hit went in, we might have won it. The devils just put on a shot blocking clinic. Here’s to Geno back on Saturday?
I have no issue with Fleury. It’s not him right now it’s the entire team. Like Ulf Murphy said above, his d-men around him aren’t helping much. You saw GoGo mess up that one goal (and Conner for that matter), and the other was a weird bounce off Lovejoy. We’re looking at 2-1 without those weird bounces.
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