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Detective work: Is Sidney Crosby hurt too?


Short answer:  at one time yes, no and maybe.

Jonathan Bombulie, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton beat writer, posted something interesting in his blog that has flown under the radar.  Remember last week when the Penguins called up Mark Letestu when they called up Chris Conner, right after it was released that Evgeni Malkin and Tyler Kennedy were hurt?  Letestu spent a short time with the NHL but then he was promptly (and unceremoniously) sent back to the AHL about one day after being officially recalled.

Here's how Bombulie answered the question of "why" to the whole series of events [emphasis mine]:

First, [Letestu] was scheduled to fly with Chris Conner out of Winnipeg on Thursday but there was only one seat left on the plane, so Letestu had to fly out Friday morning. Second, the reason for Letestu's call-up was an injury involving Sidney Crosby, whose availability Friday in Columbus was in question right up to pre-game warm-ups. Crosby was fine, so Letestu was scratched and eventually headed to Toronto to meet his WBS teammates on Sunday.


Playing less than 100% is nothing new to Crosby -- he went the stretch run of the 2006-07 season (including the playoffs) while playing on a broken foot that wasn't disclosed until the Ottawa Senators eliminated the Penguins.  In 2007-08 Crosby wasn't at full strength after a high ankle sprain in January bugged him throughout the course of that season.  Then last year in 2008-09, he battled through various minor groin and knee injuries early in the season.

After the Letestu call-up, Crosby got two assists in the game against Columbus.  However, if the Pens felt they needed Letestu due to Crosby's status on Thursday Oct 29th, he obviously didn't feel right before that point.

On Wednesday the 28th, Sid recorded a hat trick against the Montreal Canadiens, taking no unusual or memorable incidents that may have caused an injury.  The Columbus game, where he was in question, he got two assists. However, in the three games since that time, Sid has zero points.  Additionally, he has nine total shots on goal in the past four games, whereas he recorded a personal season high of nine shots in the Montreal game.

Much like Malkin didn't seem himself before the team pulled the plug on him, Crosby hasn't really "seemed himself" either these past few games.  While he still seems to have good speed and acceleration, aspects of his game -- such as just seven assists in 15 games this season -- is low.  Throw out that Montreal hat-trick and he only has two goals in the past ten games, also not usual production.

At the same time, the coaches and trainers advised Malkin to take a couple weeks off to get to 100%.  If Crosby were actually injured, it's hard not to imagine that they would do the exact same for the other face of the franchise in #87.  The timing would be terrible, there's no doubt Pittsburgh would struggle even more without Crosby and Malkin, but it's only October and now November.  Stanley Cups and long playoff runs aren't made this time of year.  Keeping your best players fresh and looking out for their long term best interests are more important.

If you were wondering, Crosby felt fine enough (or was so uptight about being taken into the boards awkardly) that he fought Minnesota's Marek Zidlicky on Saturday Oct 31, a couple days after his status was in question.

So is Sidney Crosby injured?  Maybe, but obviously not badly enough to miss time.  Crosby is a fierce competitor, and like Malkin he probably wouldn't voluntarily sit out for a minor nagging injury.  But there's no reason to play him this time of year, if he's uncapable.  One thing is for sure, Pittsburgh brass felt enough uncertainty to leave an option open with Mark Letestu.  Enough uncertainty to pull Letestu on a cross-continent flight away from a team that could have used him, too.

Where there's smoke, there's not always fire; but this is worth watching, especially given Crosby's recent drought from the scoresheet.  Perhaps this was an isolated incident that has long passed.  But at this point, you never know.  The only thing for sure is that Crosby is still in the lineup.  Also, Pittsburgh demoted Letestu and with Kennedy's problems, they only currently have 12 forwards (including Crosby), which would seem to indicate there's no question on Crosby's availability.

There's hasn't been much reported on this, and a guy like Sidney Crosby doesn't often avoid the media microscope, which leads one to believe any possible injury probably isn't as serious as this detective work.

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I would guess that its his groin, from what hes said in the past it always bothers him to an extent. Some days its worse than others. He seems to be skating ok, but he doesn’t quit seem to be hitting that extra gear that we all know he has where he just blows passed people. Hes been pulling up and looking for a pass a lot more lately. This is all speculation of course. The only other incidents where I though maybe he could have been injured took place after the Letesu call up. His knee got clipped in the CBJ game pretty good. And we were sitting right by the runway at the MIN game and i thought Sid broke his hand in that fight. He was wincing and not moving his hand as he was skating off. I started texting people to see if the said anything about him on tv, but he came back for the third. Bottom line after all this speculation is we probably won’t find out anything even if he sits out a game.

by genomachine-O on Nov 6, 2009 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

Groin injuries

take a long time to heal because they are deep muscles too

by CGNC on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

not to mention every time you get hurt there it increases the chances and seriousness of the next one. Given Sid’s history with that injury I can’t imagine any discomfort is a good sign.

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by FrankD on Nov 6, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Given that it’s a groin injury, I would feel like I’m dying of agony, much less feel like I should spend 21 minutes on the ice.

Granted it may hamper the team right now, which might explain why he could be playing through something without it being too out there right now, but it’d be so smart to make sure our big guns are playing at 100%. I get playing through injuries, toughing it out, and playing on, but if he really does more damage to himself than damage to the opposing team, who’s to answer for that?

I say, rest him on this last west coast game if he shows any wear in practice, then see how he handles himself come Boston, which could be a good gauge on handling physicality.

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by Lavender on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not a fun injury at all. I didn’t even want to stand for 21 minutes when I went down with one two years ago, let alone think of even trying to skate or cut corners or compete for anything other than painless sleep.

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by FrankD on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was telling my wife last night that he seemed slow at certain points in the game. Taking his time to get back on D and taking his time getting to the bench.

by PensFan024 on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Which was the game when he took that awkward fall again? Was that against Columbus?

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by FrankD on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

If its the same one I’m thinking of then yea it was against CBJ

by genomachine-O on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but they flew Letestu in because Crosby’s status was supposedly in question BEFORE the Columbus game.

An injury would have had to have happened before that.

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by Hooks Orpik on Nov 6, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true, but if he was injured and playing through mild pain then taking that fall couldn’t have helped much for some of his recent injury speculation. It definitely didn’t look like he was prepared to just skate that one off either.

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by FrankD on Nov 6, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a tough spot for the Pens to be in though. If Sid really is hurt you have to rest him. Its not going to get any better with him playing thru it (if it is a groin injury). If the choice were up to me I’d rest him while their playing these western conf. teams so hopefully he’ll be 100% by time we get back to divisional games. I rather have him out a couple games now that a couple weeks in the future. Regardless of who else is hurt. At this point in the year I don’t think its a good idea of having Sid play thru an injury. (if he is injured).

by genomachine-O on Nov 6, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. And frankly the lead they’ve built is commanding enough where they can sit Sid for a game or two and let him try and heal up. I’m not conceding any games but I think we can all agree that the Pens can afford to have him out of the lineup for a game or two if it means Sid will come back and skate at 100% rather than him trying to force it out there if he’s hurt.

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by FrankD on Nov 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hard to say

Clearly this is all speculation: for all we know, he might be fighting the flu. And it’s fair to say that the Pens are easier to defend with Malkin out of the lineup; teams can essentially throw all their best defenders out against 1 line.

That said, if there is a real physical injury, I would say sit him until it heals. There are no trophies for Best Record in November. And honestly, given their current record, they aren’t going to fall out of a playoff race if they drop a few games at this point.

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by holiday park on Nov 6, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for your detective work. I’m seeing something up, too—like holiday park, though, I was thinking flu more than anything else. Can’t diagnose through the TV or computer screen, though, if there is anything to diagnose.

Man, I thought the attempts to scare us would die down after Halloween.

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by GreenEyedLilo on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

if it was the flu tho would they consider that an “injury”? well its the NHL who knows.

by genomachine-O on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, David Krejci and Pascal Leclaire are just two of the more recent flu-bug victims. Krejci actually has swine flu. Don’t know if Leclaire was just sick or what, but it’s enough to take a guy out of a few games.

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by FrankD on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the date?

Uh, it’s still a little early in the season to be extremely concerned. And I’d bet a puck that Pens management may not be as concerned right now whether they’re number one or that they’re concerned with simply wanting to stay in the hunt.
Geno, Sid and others want very much to play in the Olympics and allowing them that fact by “resting” them with possible minor or even mythical injuries (happens all the time in sports) so they can play for gold won’t be forgotten come re-up time! "Remember what we did for you back in 2010?
And just so we shouldn’t start any kind of initial panic, let’s remember back to January of 2009 and where they were in the standings. People got healthy and things, as I recall, worked out rather well.
Go back a few years and in 90-91 the Pens finished 3rd or 4th in the conference and managed to handle teams pretty well in the playoffs on route to Cup Number One.
Next came 91-92 and a 4th place conference finish but they sort of ripped the competition in the playoffs on their way to 11 straight and Cup Number Two, right?
BUT… in 92-93 they won the President’s trophy because they played extremely well all year, 56 wins I believe, UNTIL one fateful game against the Islanders. Cup Number Three would have to wait.
It might be interesting to see where the majority of Stanley Cup Winners finished the regular seasons and what bearing those positions had on the Cup Run.
Since there have been playoffs in all sports, not every number one team has run away with the title.
Let’s see what happens by the Olympics and a week or two after. We’ll have a better indication of what April 2010 might look like.
Until then, I really won’t worry whether they set records for road wins, point leaders or hits.
Finish 1st or 8th, they still get invited to the dance. They’ve shown they do have a better tendency to win in the playoffs on the road than at home. And if they are healthy THEN, I’ll take the odds on Cup Number 4.

by John Carter on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

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