Alex Ovechkin has been suspended two games, I'm told.
Well then, I guess we can't say anything anymore about superstars not getting suspensions and such.
...right?
...maybe?
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Two seems about right, he hasn’t been suspended before, but he needs to slow down and show a little more respect to his opponents (and himself). He’s too reckless.
It looks like he got lucky, no structural knee damage but I bet he will miss the next two games with his “sore” knee anyways, so it’s really not much of a suspension.
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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 1, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good point. I mean, we’ve had this debate countless times on here, especially back during the playoffs when he went knee-to-knee on Gonch. Some of us (myself included) concluded that he wasn’t necessarily dirty or intentionally trying to injury people, but just a guy who plays a wreckless, all-out style of play. It’s dangerous to others and, as noted in this incident, himself as well.
Others may choose to say he’s also a dirty player and nothing will change that, but as you mentioned he hasn’t been suspended before. Plus, from a collective fan base that has watched the likes of Sean Avery, Dion Phaneuf and Donald Brashear (to name a few), I don’t think you can put Ovie in that group. Just like you can’t put them in his.
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by FrankD on Dec 1, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really great take by both of you guys, that’s what I’ve come to expect, and I completely agree. I fall squarely in the “reckless not dirty” camp but I think reckless does need to be punished. You can’t just keep letting him, or anyone, get away with borderline hits that have the potential to do serious damage. At some point the message has to be sent.
I hear what you’re saying on the suspension, Hooks, but I’m not sure how else to do it. Do you make it 4 games because you assume he’ll miss 2 to injury? Do you make it 10 and assume 8 injured? There’s no real way to know how many he would miss until after the fact when he returns, and even if there was there’s no way the NHL office is competent to make that determination. You gotta just give him what he deserves, send the message, and let the rest shake itself out. And I think 2 is what he deserves based on the other most recent suspensions.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 1, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t sure where Caps fans would stand on this one. When I was reading Japers yesterday I saw a bunch of people already speculating his suspension based on how many games they thought he’d get. I wasn’t exactly shocked, because there were plenty of whispers going around that he’d get suspended, but i was a bit surprised that it was so openly accepted as a possibility by the Japers’ Rink collective.
I guess it doesn’t hurt that he’s, well, hurt to top it off. And by that I mean, he was going to miss time anyway so he might as well serve the suspension. But in the long run I must admit that I was happy to see he was on the ice this morning skating and testing out his knee. I’ve said countless times to a lot of hockey fans – I don’t hate Ovechkin but I respect him. He’s intense as they come. And while Caps/Pens/Flyers fans may resurrect the whole “Crosby is the face of the NHL” talk time and time again, losing Ovechkin to injury is just as much an injury to the league as it is to him and the Caps.
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by FrankD on Dec 1, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It doesn’t help the league for any of the talent to go down. The NHL is amazing because it has the best players in the world. Would you really be as excited to watch a Pens/Caps match-up where Dupuis and Bradley were on the top line?
The folks at Japers’ pretty overwhelmingly agree a suspension was deserved, and are fine with 2 games. The injury is the far more concerning aspect to all of us.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 1, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting — many Penguins fans also conceded that Cooke deserved a suspension (or at least, that he would deserve it in a perfect world where punishments were applied regardless of star status or playoff timing). Maybe it’s just that the injury situation has been so bad lately that even a player’s own fans agree that the league should discourage this type of hit.
by Cari on Dec 1, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, especially with the NHL being incompetent at assuming/assessing how long he may be hurt….They rarely get the suspend or don’t suspend question correct, the last thing they need is to do more assuming.
So I don’t know what the answer is, I guess the suspension probably rings a little hollow, since AO probably misses time anyways just on his health…..But he, like most of us, likes money. I’m sure the $98k he’s forfeiting won’t go un-noticed (even if it’s a mere drop in the bucket for him). Given that, it may be the best form of justice.
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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Total aside, player paychecks are subject to escrow, are the fine and suspension penalties (which go to the emergency assistance fund) also subject to escrow? Does money get pulled out of, or get put back into fund, at the end of the year?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know exactly how it works: I would assume a suspended player doesn’t pay escrow money, he just forfeits his entire game check to the emergency assistance fund (as most reports indicate) and then he has to make up paying the overall percentage into the escrow itself. That is only my assumption though.
Like Ulf says below, I know fine can be a tax write-off for players, so it’s not like he’s flushing it down the drain. I still can’t imagine he’s particularly happy about it though, naturally.
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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 2, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems dumb that a punishment can be a tax write off, but I suspect that’s more on the U.S. government than the NHL. I’m sure AO isn’t happy with it, but you’re all correct that it’s not exactly the biggest punishment.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 2, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For taxes...
I think it is a write off because it gets deducted directly, he never earns the money according to the gov. Kinda like donations to charity. Doesn’t really make sense when the player is earning Ovie type money, but if you’re say, Chris Bourque, it does. Don’t want to get crushed too terribly by stuff like that…
In any case SB Nation seems to be mostly sane. After reading some candian posters (CBC), it’s still shocking…
by Bman21212 on Dec 2, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You should read the PuckDaddy commenters.
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by FrankD on Dec 2, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that he was disciplined at all is significant, even if its a wash in terms of time lost. There’s a reputational hit — the league finally acknowledges a star player crossing the line, and on a lesser level there’s forfeited game checks (6 figures for Ovechkin — he can afford it, but I’m sure he’d rather not).
I have a slightly different take. I’m not sure being dirty or reckless enters Ovechkin’s mind in these situations. He’s highly competetive and has a big ego — someone essentially beats him on a deke to avoid a check, and Ovechkin tries to salvage the hit at all costs instead of looking like he got beat. Everyone gets beat sometimes (yes, even Sid and Geno). This probably serves him well in a lot of situations where he can will a spectacular play out of nothing. Big hits demonstrate physicality and toughness, but it’s also an ego boost to lay out an opponent. Probably also deflating to whiff.
by chicos_pants on Dec 2, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was probably going to miss time anyway
by BDON911 on Dec 1, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cambell prob asked him how many games he thought he would be out with his own knee injured and kept the suspension below that to show that he would suspend superstars. Win-Win for him. All Ovi loses is some money because he might be resting his own knee anyways.
by 66871 on Dec 1, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
I kind of made supporting statements for him the other day, but then he goes and does this.
While he hasn’t been suspended until this, he’s been a scud on the ice, and, as much as he can make an impact getting hits, someone has to tell him he’s going to end his own career doing junk like that, either by him blowing a knee out like he almost did or by repeated assults on the ice by the opposing team after he does what he does. He’s a goal scoring wizard, but to see him do more stuff like this is idiotic, and he has a good history of being kicked out of a game for stupid stuff now.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Deking a Duper Deke that made a Duper Duck.
by Lavender on Dec 1, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
First of all, I think the NHL gave out the proper punishment, even though Player X would’ve been given a 5 game suspension for being a repeat offender (which is what Ovechkin should be). He was probably going to miss that time with the knee injury anyways, but it still sends a message and he loses money.
This is what troubles me: “How can you tell me, like, you just have to stop playing how you play? I play risky…Why I have listen somebody to say I have to change game. Nobody can kill me. Just play my game.” -Ovechkin after practice this morning.
The guy thinks he’s invisible. If he continues the way he’s going, I see one of these happening:
1) He injures someone so badly, that it ends that player’s career.
2) He injures himself so badly, that it ends his own career.
3) He actually kills himself or someone else (highly unlikely, but never say never).
4) He plays so hard that by the time he’s 45, when he’s supposed to be shooting golf balls, he’s got so many “bad this…” and “bad that…” that he can’t shoot anything.
Let me make this clear – I don’t want to see Ovi injured. Even though I don’t really care for him all that much, it would be just a shame for something to happen to him. It’s a lot of fun, when he’s not playing the Pens, watching him fly through the neutral zone and unleash that unreal snap shot at the top of the face-off circle. Plus, someone has to challenge Crosby and Malkin for the Art Ross. There are others this year but, let’s be realistic, which three players would you bet on being the leading scorers at the end of the season?
As a side note, some of the words, in the Firefox spell check, when I typed “Ovechkin” in the comment box include:" Lovechild" and “Munchkin” LOL.
by PensFan8725 on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t really look like he’s seriously thinking it over, does it? Probably that coach of his won’t be, either. But we can hope.
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by GreenEyedLilo on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4) He plays so hard that by the time he’s 45, when he’s supposed to be shooting golf balls, he’s got so many "bad this…" and "bad that…" that he can’t shoot anything
Make that 35!
You have to see it for yourself...
by Bla Razor on Dec 2, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want his season to end, I don’t want him permanently injured, but I am very glad he’s getting an opportunity to rethink the way he’s been playing. I hope he takes it.
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by GreenEyedLilo on Dec 1, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To Hooks comment about the 98K above.
For some reason, the reply is not working. I think they take the money from suspensions and fines and donate it, in the players name, to the NHL Foundation and the Players Fund, which are both non-profit organizations that qualify for tax deductions on the players taxes. Not as big a loss as it might seem. (not even mentioning that he is still making 8.5mm or so)
by Ulf Murphy on Dec 2, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs



















