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Checking up on special teams: Power play (30th overall), Penalty kill (11th overall)

Penguins fans don't exactly need any sort of statistic to tell them just how bad the power play has been, but just in case inquiring minds want to know it's not the brightest of spots on this team.  When the Penguins have the man advantage, and send out any number of combinations that may include Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang, and/or Sergei Gonchar,  to name a few, they officially rank last in the NHL.  Dead last.  30th overall.  Worst.  Power play. Ever.

Well maybe not ever.  But saying the Pens are converting only 13.8% of their opportunities definitely appears better on paper than saying something like, "Oh, they're only picked up 22 goals in 159 attempts."  Yes, 159.  And unfortunately you can't even chalk it up to making the most of whatever opportunity they get, because the Penguins are second overall in the league for power play opportunities, just one behind Dallas' 160. 

So, how about that PK then, huh?  At 83% the Pens penalty kill is ranked 11th overall, just a nudge away from Ottawa (83.4%), Minnesota (83.6%) and Phoenix (83.8%).  Out of 141 time shorthanded , Pittsburgh has allowed only 24 goals and scored five shorties (second in the league).  So maybe there IS a bright spot in the PK.  Of course if you want something to be there you can always find it.

I'm not here to point fingers.  The blame game hardly produces results.  I am, like many Pens fans, genuinely curious as to why/how this power play is not clicking.  What are they missing?  What is the real issue here?

Last season assistant coach Mike Yeo received tons of criticism for the power play's performance, but if I'm not mistaken Tony Granato is now playing a part in the team's special teams.  So can you really blame a coach at this point?

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copy and paste from last post…..seems more appropriate here anyway.

on to the Power(less)play….is it me or is it pointless to put a left handed shooter like Malkin at the left point? He’s not in a position to shoot a one-timer, if this power-play is going to work…it’s going to have to be with Letang or Goligoski manning the left point, they’re both more than capable. Malkin should be playing the half wall, where Crosby is playing and Crosby should be the attacker to the net guy that Kunitz is playing. Guerin should be planted in front of the net, and if he’s not willing then put Rupp there.

by AronV on Dec 22, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t think the right handed shot is a requirement. It hurts the one-timer but if they look to feed Malkin from the half-wall it’s possible. Plus, in a perfect world Gonchar and Malkin are rotating and sliding around anyways.

I’m not sure the placement of the players is really the #1 thing. It’s just about execution. If your powerplay is 1 for 4 every night you’re at a 25% rate and near the top of the league. If you go 1 for 5, you’re at 20% and still considered pretty good. The Pens are hitting on worse than 1 for 7. Just start putting more in the net and everything will be better.

That all said, I don’t like when Kunitz’s in “no-man’s zone” in the high slot, surrounded by defenders. I don’t think he’s got a good enough shot to have them look to force a pass (that’s probably gonna be deflected) to him. I’d like to see him closer to the front of the net, even if Guerin’s in that zone too.

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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 22, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The right handed shot makes a huge difference because the opposing team knows that a one-timer is NOT coming. The right point defender has no fear of having to stay in great position or go down to block a shot when the threat is not even there. In a game of inches, this is a huge advantage.

I agree with AronV, plant Rupp in front of the net. Yeo needs to go! If we were middle of the pack on the PP and Sid and Geno got their “normal” share of points, Sid would be leading the league in scoring and Geno would be close to top 10. Come the playoffs, these stats = early summer.

by Ulf Murphy on Dec 22, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Timo Seppa said on Dec 17 that Dan Bylsma is the worst coach in the NHL, and if he wasn’t surrounded by the players Pittsburgh has, we’d all be singing a different tune about him.

Discuss.

by JustinM on Dec 22, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

interesting. I suppose you can say that about a lot of coaches though. If Jimmy Johnson wasn’t coach of the Cowboys in the 90s (with Irvin, Aikman and Smith) would they have won anyway? If Phil Jackson wasn’t coach of the Bulls with Pippen and Jordan, would they have won anyway?

I don’t think you can say Bylsma is the worst coach in the NHL. I mean, his emphasis on an offense-first team may not sit well with some critics, but until this team proves otherwise, he still has a handle on things and knows what he’s doing.

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by FrankD on Dec 22, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That was in 10th place before he took over. That would make Therien the worst coach on the planet!!

by Ulf Murphy on Dec 22, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if you read the article, it doesn’t have anything to do with his offensive-biased philosophy but that the power play is awful (yeah, Yeo and all, but ultimately it’s Bylsma’s responsibility) and he gives 12 minutes of ice time per night to guys like Craig Adams and only 13 minutes a night to guys like TK.

This is not to say I agree that these things make him the worst coach, but I have to admit Timo made salient points.

by JustinM on Dec 22, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I read the article, I was just saying. There may be certain factors playing into that ice time thing too. Adams isn’t half bad on the draw, whereas Kennedy – not so good. And if the Pens are taking a defensive zone faceoff, chances are Adams is getting the nod over TK. PK? Adams. Plus Kennedy hasn’t done much since coming back from injury.

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by FrankD on Dec 22, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

he could also be limiting minutes to injured players such as kennedy, without outing the fact that some players are still injured. I think to say Bylsma is the worst coach because of the failing PP is ridiculus. His main job at this point is keeping all the players united and playing for each other, which they seem to do nightly. This seems like a team that enjoys each other and shares in each others successes. Part of that could be attributed to Bylsma.

by AronV on Dec 22, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy that heads Puck Prospectus wrote it. That already makes me not take it seriously, as he bases everything he writes purely on stats, which can be manipulated to mean anything you want.

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 22, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, okay. You and I will have to agree to disagree on that one. Stats can be manipulated to show what you want, so long as you assume your audience has no ability to pick holes in your arguments. Ken Funck said it better than I could, although this was related to football, not hockey:

While I was writing yesterday, the Packers-Steelers game happened to be on in the background, and I was doing a good job of ignoring it until the following Joe Buck gem bled through: "We’re now going to show you a few stats which are good examples of why statistics can be so misleading, and why we don’t tend to put a lot of stock in them around here." Or something very similar to that—my personal Tim McCarver filter generally extends to anyone who’s spent a lot of time sitting in close proximity to him, so Buck’s voice always sounds to me like it’s coming through ten feet of foam insulation, even when he’s covering football. Anyway, Buck went on to say something about how the Steelers are going to have a 4,000 yard quarterback, a 1,000 yard running back and two 1,000 yard receivers, yet were still under .500 going into yesterday’s game. That was his evidence as to how statistics are misleading and not of much value.
 
Wow. I mean, wow. Now, I haven’t followed the Steelers, or the NFL itself in fact, very closely this fall, but as soon as Buck had said his piece, I felt certain that the Steelers probably had either a bad defense (unlikely), had struggled in the red zone (untrue) or had a negative turnover ratio (bingo!). Turnover ratio is a statistic, isn’t it? So couldn’t statistics be successfully used to explain why the Steelers have struggled? "Statistics" themselves aren’t misleading—but certainly those who have no clue how to use them are. Calling statistics misleading and useless when you haven’t taken the time to actually use them to assemble a complete picture is like deriding a bow as a useless tool when you haven’t bothered to actually procure an arrow, knock it and fire it.

by JustinM on Dec 23, 2009 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Noted.

In this particular case then, I would suggest that Seppa is one of those people who likes to use stats to his personal advantage. As Frank pointed out, the article does not take into effect things like PK minutes and faceoffs.

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 23, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve spoken with Mr. Seppa before. Perhaps I can get his take on those (good) points.

by JustinM on Dec 23, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ridiculous. He took a team that was out of the playoffs and lead them to the Stanley Cup. Seppa would probably say that was entirely due to Gonchar returning and the addition of Kunitz and Guerin… but the aggressive system, the team’s new confidence, and the improved locker room atmosphere were a big part of their Stanley Cup victory. This season, he has also improved the Pens’ record on shoot outs. And he kept the team from falling apart when half the team was injured.

I agree that some of the criticisms are fair — the power play truly sucks, and I’ve been confused by Bylsma’s ice time decisions at times. However, I think he is a great coach overall.

by Cari on Dec 22, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal thought is that I’m surprised by his choice. Although I fully agree with the points he raises, I’m in agreement with you that I don’t really see how those things make Disco Dan the worst coach in the NHL.

And for the record, I’m positive that Seppa wouldn’t ignore the aggressive philosophy installed by Bylsma when deciding upon reasons for the turnaround last year.

by JustinM on Dec 23, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I just assumed that he was ignoring it since I thought that if he were giving Bylsma any credit for the aggressive system, he wouldn’t call him the worst coach in the NHL. But I’m not familiar with his website so I will take your word for it.

by Cari on Dec 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a site based on Baseball Prospectus, one of the best-known sites for baseball statistical analysis. The field is pretty new for hockey, though, and the site has only been up since the spring.

by JustinM on Dec 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow what a joke. Yeah he’s got great players, but as evidenced by Michel Therien, you can be a bad team with two of the best players in the world. It just sounds like an oxymoron: “Yeah the team’s second in the NHL, but I’m the worst coach because my power play never converts…I mean, if I could ever do anything right – maybe we’d win a Cup or I’d have a .750 win percentage!”

871

by PensFan8725 on Dec 22, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, should I remind you that Mike Therien took the team to the SCF the previous season and we were all singing his praises, lauding the contract extension as a great idea?

by JustinM on Dec 23, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Still, taking the team to the SCF is different from leading them to victory over a very good team.

by Cari on Dec 23, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The PP really has looked significantly better since its revamping. That it failed to score in the last couple games does not reflect the actual chances/momentum it tended to generate, especially against Buffalo.

by ipenguin67 on Dec 22, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

it’s still flawed though. There are 2 players at any given time that are in a bad position to shoot and when that threat is gone, so is your advantage of having an extra skater. They need to space it out, work it around and throw it at the net for deflections or rebounds.

by AronV on Dec 22, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you blame the coach? If it's Granato?

Ask Avs fans their opinion on this question…

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by ahtrap on Dec 23, 2009 3:31 AM EST reply actions  

heh I’ve seen what the guys and gals over at Mile High Hockey have said about him. Very little praise coming from them.

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by FrankD on Dec 23, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No you cant blame a coach

You can blame 2. There is no way we should give a free pass to Yeo because we won the cup last year or because we are atop the eastern conference. by perfecting our power play and improving it we become THAT much more lethal. This needs to be fixed…I’m not giving free passes…..

by JB8771 on Dec 23, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

curious about number of shots

does anyone else think that the Pens are quite hesitant during the power play?

if it’s a 2:00 power play, usually i see the Penguins passing for about 1:45 of that time.

in contrast with Pittsburgh, the Devils earlier this week didn’t hesitate on the power play at all. it was shocking.

a perfect example was the slapshot power play goal early in the game. there was no passing at all, just a slapshot that surprised Fleury, surprised the crowd and anyone else watching. i know it surprised the hell out of me. haha

if i remember, i will try to find out how many shots the Pens have taken during power plays this year, and how that compares with other teams. i’m guessing the number is low.

by weegiethompson on Dec 23, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

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