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Are basement dwellers playing up to Pittsburgh, or is Pittsburgh playing down to basement dwellers?

I don't like to speculate too much or draw ridiculous conclusions, but I'm starting to get really irritated when the Pens look like they make it harder than it should be to beat basement dwellers.  Hence, a little rant of sorts.

As reigning Stanley Cup champions, the Penguins are the center of attention for a lot of hockey conversations.  If a team finds themselves in the midst of a rebuilding phase, talks of Pittsburgh's recent history stands out as a success story (see also: Chicago).  When a team drafts a big-time player in a struggling market, Pittsburgh's recent history stands as evidence to the success of such a game plan (see also: New York Islanders).

But with that same breath, any time a "bad team" beats a "good team" like Pittsburgh, they didn't just beat the Penguins, they beat the "reigning Stanley Cup champs."  Come to think of it, you'll see this even when a team with a better record beats Pittsburgh.  This is the price they pay for success, although I'm sure not a single guy in that locker room would have it any other way.

On Tuesday night, a "bad team" beat a "good team."  This isn't necessarily a dig toward Carolina, but instead just the realization of what each team's record indicated prior to the puck drop.  Carolina, at 6-17-5, seemed no match (on paper) to Pittsburgh's 20-9-1.  We all wanted to believe it.  Some of us had our doubts and concerns, but there was still a degree of confidence.  A hint of, dare I say, cockiness?  Can't say what the Pens were thinking, but the end result was not a positive one as the Pens fell short of a comeback and lost 3-2.  The fact they even had to make a comeback is kinda the point I'm trying to make here.

As we all know, this isn't the first time Pittsburgh has lost to a team that, as indicated by overall record (I'll keep stressing this), qualifies as a bad team.  Take the jump as we look back on a few other games up to this point that have not exactly ended the way we expected.

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October 7, 3-0 loss to Phoenix

At the time we all laughed, shrugged, joked that Phoenix was coming to town.  A few called it a trap game, indicating that Pittsburgh might have the night spoiled by last year's dismal Phoenix club.  But Phoenix's current spot in the West (6th) and the 3-0 win proved to everyone that this year's team isn't last year's team.  I suspect the so-called playing down was a factor here.  The Pens rebounded the following night with a 5-4 win over the Flyers.

October 31, 2-1 loss to Minnesota

Minnesota, currently ranked 14th in the West, also hit Pittsburgh with a loss on Halloween night.  Nicklas Backstrom made 34 saves on 35 shots.  Sounds more like an example of one team unable to crack another team's netminder.

November 27, 3-2 loss to New York Islanders

Just one of those games where you say the Pens showed up to play only 40 minutes of hockey.  Pittsburgh headed into the third period up 2-1, before losing 3-2 in regulation.


The season is still young and as we all know injuries have done a job on this team.  The one benefit we can take from this is that, come playoff time, the Penguins won't have bad teams to play down to.  Or at least, "bad" as defined by teams that didn't make the playoffs.  But I still can't help but feel as if the Pens are letting two points slip away every time they play a team that they should beat. 

As I said Tuesday night in Hooks' post-game story, this isn't about Pittsburgh going out there and toying with their opponents.  I want to see 60 minutes of nonstop, run-the-score-up, drive-to-the-net-and-make-something-happen hockey.  Or better put, as Kris Letang said yesterday, " I think we just made it too complicated [Tuesday]. We tried making too many fancy plays. Sometimes, that just doesn't work."

No kiddin.

So help me out here - are other teams playing up against the Pens, or are the Pens playing down to other teams?

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I think that it is both, Pens playing down and the other teams playing up. As a competitor you can’t help but take into consideration a teams record. Mentally you are more amped when up against a good team, and more relaxed when you feel that you are up against a “bad” team.

by AngelaMc on Dec 9, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

i agree, it’s definitely both for me. Every team wants to make a statement and find out where they stand when playing the reigning champs. As much as we’d like the Pens to always play 100%, it’s just not human nature, you just hope that they learn from it every so often when it happens.

by AronV on Dec 9, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The Penguins play down to bad teams, pure and simple, and Letang put it best with the comment above. They try to make pretty plays with perfect passes that don’t work 99% of the time and believe that they can alwasy come back from a deficit.

These games remind me of the Pens when Mario first came back. Everyone deferred to him and tries to get him the puck tyhinking he would carry them every game. it didn’t happen. Now everyone defers to anyone else, notably whoever is playing with Crosby and Malkin, and even they are trying to make too many pretty plays (yes, even Crosby and his 19 goals). I think they believe that their superior skill will carry them to victory and it hasn’t been.

I am suprised that Bylsma is letting this trend continue, but I am not sure what the answer is. However, I think if we put this into perspective, we have been winning the games that we need to win, imagine if we won all the games we were supposed to win? We are pretty spoiled!!

by Ulf Murphy on Dec 9, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

we’re winning 2/3 of our games, let’s enjoy that and not be like some* Red Wings where we have this attitude of entitlement. I think the most immediate fix would be the powerplay…. There’s not another team in the league with as much skill, yet we’re not getting much done. Imagine if this unit would be clicking at 20-25% as it should be.

by AronV on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Concerning that Wild game, it really was a case of us not showing up. If you look at the saves Backstrom made, 95% of them were easy, run of the mill saves. The problem was we weren’t getting any decent chances on the net because nobody showed any energy.

Honestly, I’m not trying to sound cocky, and I doubt a lot of others here are either. It’s just really frustrating when you lose a game not because you played a team to the best of your ability and they just got the victory(See: Chicago), but because your team is moving incredibly slowly on the attack, making lazy passes that are incredibly easy for the other team to intercept, and getting no decent looks at the net.

In other words, the second period of the Canes game is what we should look like, not the first.

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Disappointing effort

I’ll have to trust the analysis of those of you who actually saw the game, but judging by the stats and the fact that the Pens fell into a 3-0 hole vs. the team that has clearly been the worst up to this point, at home no less, the Pens played down to the competition. I would believe they tried to be too perfect rather than just make plays. You have to keep in mind that regardless of who the Pens match up against that opposition has NHL level talent on their side as well. Carolina certainly has capable players and by not giving 100% (I would suspect not even giving 80% the first period) the Penguins are going to get beat, I don’t care who they’re playing. It’s a long season, you certainly can’t expect a team to be up to par every night and you do have to account for the opposition having additional incentive playing the SC Champs, but still 2 pts. now is worth the same as 2 pts. in March or April. Oh well just as long as the Pens hit their stride come Spring I’ll put up with some of these subpar efforts.

by Dutch71 on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

The common thread in a lot of those games you highlighted as disappointing were unbelievable performances by the other goalie.

Not saying everything’s totally excusable, but sometimes when the other guy is on, it’s tough to win.

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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

True, but I guess this could also open up a never-ending debate of whether or not goaltenders mentally prepare for games against better teams, especially those coming off a Stanley Cup win. Wonder if Behind the Net could provide any sort of statage to prove this…

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by FrankD on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be interesting to see.

By my count the Penguins have scored 95 goals and have taken 985 shots on the year. That would mean opposing goalies have a .903 save percentage.

Just choosing three other good teams: San Jose’s opponents have a .894 save %, Washington’s opponents have a .886 save % and Chicago’s opponents have a .909 save %.

That’s just a small look at it though.

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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 9, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

A mixture of both, probably

You win it all, you have a target on your back, opposing teams see it as a chance to knock off the kings, and play a mite harder.

Any first place team, though, in the midst of a long grinding season, might have a few games where the focus isn’t entirely there. Not excusing that, but suggesting that it’s reality. So when you see a team, even one that you faced in the ECF last year, that’s really struggling, there’s a possibility of a let down.

Last year, the Red Wings lost 3 out of 4 to the Colorado Avalanche, who finished at the bottom of the Western Conference. That didn’t happen just because an Avs goalie stood on his head in those three contests.

The canes game is likely not the last time the Pens will lose to a bottom feeder. But as others have pointed out, this isn’t a symptom of any larger problem. If the rest of the Pens season is any indicator, the team has used the Cup run as a catapult rather than something to stop and admire and an opportunity to rest on their laurels.

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by ahtrap on Dec 9, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Yes teams are

Pens are out there playing there hardest its just teams come to play thats all the pens have to do is stay focused during the game. I mean for real do you honestly believe they will slack on any game especially when you have guys like crosby and Mlakin who only care about winning. So i am 100 percent sure that if anyone is not playing at there fullest those two would call them out. The Pens cannot slack off because every team is aiming for that large stanley cup target on the penguins back.

by penburgh on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with this…there have been time I haven’t been happy with some play that end up in goals against, but the other teams are full of professionals too.

It’s rare to see the Pens outshot in a game (or period, really) and they’ve had good puck possession in about evey stretch you could break it down. Either the shots are hitting posts or goalies has been the main problem. If the PP wasn’t among the worst in the the league they’d probably have won a few of te games in the L column too

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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 9, 2009 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with both. And does anybody have any idea why Carolina took a nose dive?

by stoopidtom on Dec 9, 2009 6:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

They’re a tough team to figure out…one year they win the cup then they don’t make the playoffs the next two years

E Staal has been hurt and so has Ward, that couldn’t have helped bit they’re real streaky overall.

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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I banned myself from posting on Pensburgh, but that was a good write up by Frank

Toodles ;-)

by GhostWalker40 on Dec 10, 2009 5:56 AM EST reply actions  

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