PensBurgh: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: Headlines: BC Beats BU 4-3 in 58th Beanpot Championship

Michel Therrien fired as Pittsburgh Penguins head coach, Dan Bylsma in

Wow - talk about big news.

The Penguins announced tonight that Dan Bylsma, head coach of the Wilkes-Barre Scranton Penguins, will retain the position as interim head coach of the Pittsburgh Penguins.

"We believe we need a change in direction and, with 25 games remaining in the regular season, our goal remains to finish strong and qualify for the Stanley Cup playoffs.  Dan Bylsma is one of the bright young coaches in the game and has done an exceptional job as the head coach in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton this season.  We also would like to thank Michel Therrien for his significant contributions to the Penguins organization.”

Ray Shero, Penguins GM

Are you surprised by this move?  Frankly I am a bit taken back by it.  I mean, everyone knows what the Penguins are capable of and what they can accomplish.  Of course everyone is also aware of what the Penguins have (not) accomplished this season.  At first I thought Shero was willing to show some patience with Therrien, but perhaps this coaching move may help the Pens down the stretch here.

Admittedly I don't know much about Coach Bylsma, but I do know the Wilkes-Barre Pens are winners in nine of their last 10.  With any luck that touch will transfer over to the parent club and make the Pens playoff contenders after all.

If not, what's the worst that can happen?

Special thanks to Tony from The Confluence for the heads up.

EDIT 9:24pm: So I did a little searching here on Pensburgh and found some interesting posts about Therrien.  Here is the one that announces his three-year extension.  In some sort of laughable/creepy way, here is a post I did about a dream I had where Michel Therrien didn't tell me I sucked after giving up the game-winning goal.

 

0 recs  |  Comment 27 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Thoughts

Holy cow… I was searching my Pens news and seen it and didn’t believe it.. My heart stopped when I seen the news…

Crazy stuff.. I don’t know what to say… I thought like many of you that Therrien was probably safe for the rest of the season, but I guess that terrible loss last night to the Leafs was the final blow for Therrien…

Yesterday I mentioned that I expected to see headlines stating that Therrien was fired after the game… well, I was damn close.. happened the next day.

Let me go on record as saying that I don’t think Therrien should really be to blame for the way the Pens have played and he probably (on merit) should have been allowed to continue the season… but a wise man once said… “You can’t fire the players”, and the Pens definitely needed something to light a fire in their collective backsides; so Therrien being the next closest thing to the players was the one to take the fall for the team.

Any changes you think should be made under the new coach? Think he has the stuff to bench Satan on his first game as the Pens coach? Probably not, but that would win some kudos from this Pens fan.

by Stros Bro on Feb 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

dude, you really didn’t have to.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 15, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's cool

no reason to have two places… I actually kind of figured you were writing your post while I was doing mine and kind of expected it to happen.

by Stros Bro on Feb 15, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, major news.

Broad Street Hockey - SB Nation's Philadelphia Flyers Blog
Because the Broad Street Subway is orange for a reason.

by Travis Hughes on Feb 15, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Since Bylsma came from WB/S

You think he may have a better insight on how to use Pesonen and possibly bring him back… or do you think you’ve seen enough of him and he’s just outclasses in the NHL?

by Stros Bro on Feb 15, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Solid point. I didn’t even think of that. If anything this move may open up the system a bit more and result in skilled, quality players make their way up in positions better suited for them. It’ll be interesting to see how Bylsma handles this. Then again, he’s sitting in an interim position. It’s likely any moves like that would need the consultation of Shero.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 15, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am shocked!

I know I am a Canes fan but I do follow the Pens (through Staal association) and I had alot of respect for Therrien. Hope things work out for them.

by jenniwa30 on Feb 15, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am quite surprised by this…but I don’t exactly disagree…

Let's go Pens!

by JDunman on Feb 15, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let’s see what happens. Probably no major trades now, but maybe some more stability with lines going forward. I really thought he would last the season.

Therrien will probably turn up somewhere else sooner than later as a coach, but I think you’ll see him as an analyst before that for the playoffs.

Shero could be the next casualty here depending on what happens in the next 25 games and with what kinds of moves he may try to make before the trade deadline comes.

by spiker97 on Feb 15, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He got yosted!

I was just musing last week if it was going to happen, the late season switch….

and looking it up to find the link…I see Frank responded saying that the sports talk chatter calling for firing Therien had kinda died down, cuz people realized it wasn’t happening….how things can change in a very short time, huh?

by ahtrap on Feb 15, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It sure did die down and it’s amusing how this comes at such a late time in the season. I was actually thinking about your comment the other day in comparison to the Brewers’ manager. Perhaps the Pens will pull out a playoff spot after all.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 15, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Brewers were then unceremoniously dispatched in the first round by a Philadelphia team who went on to win the championship.

History repeating itself wouldn’t be too bad, would it?

Broad Street Hockey - SB Nation's Philadelphia Flyers Blog
Because the Broad Street Subway is orange for a reason.

by Travis Hughes on Feb 16, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there really that much faith in Nittymaki/Biron? Because if so, that’s kinda sad.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 16, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Biron gets back to how he was performing last season, and he showed this weekend he can play at that level, then yes, I do have that amount of faith in him.

Broad Street Hockey - SB Nation's Philadelphia Flyers Blog
Because the Broad Street Subway is orange for a reason.

by Travis Hughes on Feb 16, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He looked good yesterday.

But if Sean Avery were a Ranger by now, we all know it would’ve been 5-1 Rangers. /sarcasm

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 16, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really hit me.

Watched the highlights of the Toronto game, and not having seen the game, but the results were just… wow.

And I’m shocked, yet perhaps I shouldn’t be.
I think I completely disagree with the decision to fire Thierrien, though I can see where it comes from. I’m of the opinion that the problem lies with the team itself and not the coach.
I heard some guy on NHL on the Fly say that it all started with Hossa leaving the Pens.
Dunno.

I do hope the change will do the Penguins good.
That’s all I really hope for. Getting a playoff spot and beyond… ugh.

by AppleSweetRose on Feb 16, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Shero Should be Next

     I was not a huge Michel Therrien fan, but I think firing him at this point in the season was the wrong thing to do. Not only was he responsible for the greatest turnaround in NHL history (47 points in one year) and leading the team to the Stanley Cup Finals, he had this team breaking fast out of the gates in October and November of this season despite numerous injuries to key players. This year he was stuck with abysmal wingers to play with brilliant centers; a goalie who plays like Ken Dryden one night and Ken Dryden’s mother the next; no one—NO ONE—with the size, strength, or guts to stand in front of the net, muck it up, and screen goalies/cause deflections; and, in short, an entire team that is extremely short on guts.
     With the exception of Petr Sykora, none of the wingers have produced, statistically, and all of them—including Sykora (but excepting Matt Cooke)—are soft as Playdough on the boards.
     I think that if anyone is to blame for the Pens’ dismal season it is Ray Shero—unless you actually think throwing $3.5 million at Miroslav Satan, trading Dany Sabourin for his statistical twin brother, Mathieu Garon, and trading a 35-year-old defenseman who never plays for a 36-year-old defenseman who never plays were brilliant managerial moves.
     With the exception of Jordan Staal, none of the great players on this team (Malkin and Crosby) were drafted by Shero—they were leftover picks from the Craig Patrick regime. Outside of seeing that Crosby, Malkin, Staal, and Fleury were signed to long-term deals, Shero has done nothing to actually help this team win. The move that brought Marian Hossa here for his cup of coffee seemed genius-like at the time. Now it just seems ridiculous. I am convinced that the reason Ryan Malone was not signed was because Ray the Genius wanted to free up money to make a play for Hossa, and we all know how that turned out. And because he wanted to free up money to sign that complete ass, he let the one guy (Ryan Malone) go who actually had the testicular fortitude to stand in front of the net and take a beating to help this team win.
     No, I’m not all that sad to see Therrien go. I will be even less sad when Shero’s head is on the block.

by Creamer'sHead on Feb 16, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Firing the GM is the sort of mix up that may take another season. His dad Fred was a great GM for Philly and I think we can expect the same from him here in Pitt. Frankly I’m not discouraged by what I’ve seen thus far.

I know you bashed the Hossa move, but that’s the risk Shero was willing to take. Frankly I was a fan of it then and I won’t hold it against him now. You mentioned guts, or lack thereof, earlier in your comment. I think Shero showed as much guts as any GM can with that move. Win the Cup and you’re a genius. Fall short and expect ridicule. I admire the effort regardless.

I don’t think we traded too much for Hossa. Someone had mentioned earlier that they were sad to see Angelo Esposito go, but the guy wasn’t exactly lights out. Same can be said of Erik Christensen and Colby Armstrong. Although Army was a fan favorite, you have to look at his time on the ice as a better gauge of his place in Pitt. If done in that respect, you’ll notice the only thing lost in that trade was a locker room guy. Friendly and light-hearted as he may be, we got a certified sniper and goal scorer when the team needed it most. I don’t regret it.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 16, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

     Sorry if I was not clear, but the lack of guts I was talking about referred to the players, not Shero.
     Also, I totally agree that Fred was a tremendous coach, winning two cups with Philly and taking the Rangers to the Cup Final where they finally lost to what was then a Canadiens juggernaut.

by Creamer'sHead on Feb 16, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Hossa deal was great

They gave up next to nothing for him, considering the age of our core players, we didnt need Esposito and the first round draft was whatever-our team is young enough.

You cant blame Shero for Hossa turning down 49M for a one year deal with Detroit; that would seem to suggest he didnt like playing here, so what can you do? He helped us get to the Cup, so I cant fault Shero for making that move

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 16, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to be the thing to do, to bash Shero right now. As for the Malone situation, Shero and Malone were way off in terms of salary. Malone knew what he was going to get on the open market and wanted the Pens to come close to that. When Shero’s offer was made Malone sent a text to the Tribune-Review that said “No Love”. At that point he was a goner, so Shero traded him. All of this happened before free agency and Hossa’s decision. If you don’t like the signing of Satan, then I ask, who would you have signed at the time? There wasn’t a big crop of forwards on the free agent market this past off season. Shero did the best he could with what was available. Shero went after the best that was available after Hossa burned him. As for Shero not helping the team, I say you are wrong. The bargains they got on Hal Gill and Mike Zigomanis were both beneficial to the team. I personally agreed the with the Hossa trade, although I understand if you don’t. I have a feeling he will address a lot of the teams issues this year in free agency. He doesn’t have a lot of internal contract negotiations to worry about which will free him up to land a respectable winger for Crosby and/or a big power forward. My only disappointment would be the fact that it took Shero this long to fire HCMT.

Anyone know if the Strength and Conditioning coach was fired?

by PensFan024 on Feb 16, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the course of action for the other coaches, as mentioned in the Trib-Review:

Assistant Mike Yeo and goalie coach Gilles Meloche were retained by the Penguins to work with Bylsma. Andre Savard, an assistant who worked with the defense, was re-assigned to an unspecified role in the organization.

Director of player personnel Tom Fitzgerald will join Bylsma’s staff as an assistant.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 16, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This was a hasty move

Its February, they might as well let him play out the string and see if they could turn things around once Gonchar was back and the squad was a full strength.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 16, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Therrien was what the Pens need

I was really frustrated to hear about this. As disappointing as this season’s been, the problem has been personnel, not coaching. With so many man-games lost on the blue line this year, and with the negative locker-room impact of losing character guys like Malone and Roberts (even if I agreed with the reasons for not resigning them), this just isn’t as good a team as last year’s, and that’s not on Therrien.

The bigger issue is something that’s frustrated me about the Pens for the better part of 2 decades: we lack a strong identity as a franchise. If you look at teams like Detroit and New Jersey (much as it pains me to say this), they have a very clear idea of the sort of hockey they want to play, and the players and coaches they get are chosen to fit that vision. With the Pens, the “vision” is after the fact: i.e., we’ve got some offensive superstars, now let’s slap another few pieces on there and hire a coach who understands defense, and we should have everything we need for a Cup winner. The problem with this is that teams don’t go anywhere unless they’re on the same page as their coach. I think it’s probably true that Therrien lost the locker room, and that this might have been why Hossa left (i.e., if you want to win, do you really want to sign a 6-year deal with a team that’s quit on its coach?). But I’m not sure that’s all Therrien’s fault either.

Sorry this is such a critical comment. Just very bummed about this.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Feb 17, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s totally understandable. A friend of mine, ironically enough a Devils fans, said it best the other day after I filled him in on the Islanders game.

For a team like Crosby, Malkin, Sykora, Satan, et al that [37 shots] should be a season low. What’s the world coming to when the Devils can take 50 shots and be recognized as an offensive threat, and the Pens play a trapping style defensive game?

Then my head exploded.

In all seriousness, you’re right. The Pens aren’t just the Pittsburgh Penguins, but they are “The Pittsburgh Penguins?” (emphasis on the question mark) What game will they play with on any given night? Who will step up if the other team shuts down Malkin and Crosby? The identity is lost entirely, right on. But they are still young. And perhaps like any youngster searching for identity, they will find it soon enough and make something of themselves. It’ll likely require patience, but I think the end result will be worth the wait.

Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com

by FrankD on Feb 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I hope you’re right. Watching the Red Wings or Devils over the past dozen years, you can’t help but be struck by how consistent the approach is from season to season, and how consistently successful it is (I don’t like either team, understand, but I’ll give credit where it’s due). Both teams scout furiously to find strong skaters who do lots of things well, and they hire coaches who drill sound fundamentals (e.g., finishing your checks, going into the corners, maintaining your forecheck) into them. The Devils, of course, emphasize a smothering, trapping defense, while the Red Wings still play Scotty Bowman’s crisp-passing, puck-possession, European style hockey. And I think the difference is coaches and scouting, not players: great players need to be coached, and like to be coached; and you’ll notice that neither team has really skipped a beat with player turnover through the years.

So given that, what is Penguins Hockey all about? Well, defense, forechecking, and grinding in the corners are no fun for players and no fun to watch, so they’re not important: best not to do any of that, and just wait until you’re lucky enough to draft a core of the greatest players in the history of the sport? And hopefully you can ride those superstars to a few championships. But defense and grinding are no fun, so we’re still not going to ask anyone to do that.

That might sound a little bitter, but it’s coming from someone who always believed the Lemieux/Francis/Jagr era in the 90s should have been the NHL’s last great dynasty; that we should have won a couple more Cups than we did. And who was never more proud of a Penguins team than last year: last year’s team looked like a dynasty in the making, a winning combination of thrilling offense and tough, sandpaper defense. To me, the mid-to-late 90s were an infuriating annual ritual of watching promising Pens teams get outworked and lose playoff series to inferior opponents, and it was hard not to attribute that at least partly to the country-club atmosphere and yes-men coaches (see Johnston, Eddie). And I really, really hope we aren’t entering the down side of that same cycle.

That said, you’re right, it’s WAY too early to pass judgment on the Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Fleury era in Pittsburgh. But I really hope you’re right and I’m wrong.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Feb 17, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Pensburgh.com - a Pittsburgh Penguins blog dedicated to building a community of, by and for Pittsburgh Penguins fans
Start posting about the Penguins »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Penguins_large_small
Help for Haiti, PensBurgh style!

Recent FanPosts

Penguins_large_small
Help for Haiti recap
Baby_richard____2008_190__7__small
NOthing for KOVY.
Small
RIP Brendan Burke
2nd_try_small
The Devils get Kovalchuk
Small
Another good coach fired by the players
Small
Max Talbot being TRADED?
Baby_richard____2008_190__7__small
Rangers Trade for Olli Jokinen???
Malkin_celebration_small
Toronto gets Phaneuf, Giguere, Sjostrom, + others
Downsized_1224092216a_small
Career Longevity

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Penguins_cup_08__small FrankD

Editors

The_aviatorm1hdetail_small JDunman

Blog_shirt_front1_small Hooks Orpik

Authors

Staal_mask_close_small Lavender