Bill Guerin traded to Pittsburgh Penguins for conditional pick
by FrankD on Mar 4, 2009 2:19 PM EST
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The Penguins worked out a trade with the New York Islanders today to bring NHL veteran winger Bill Guerin to Pitt in exchange for a conditional pick. (Fifth round pick if the Pens don't make the playoffs, fourth round if they do, third round pick if they go past the first round). Needless to say, Islanders fans may be on the Pittsburgh bandwagon for that fact alone.
Just because he's not the best player in your fantasy pool doesn't mean Guerin will be a dud in Pittsburgh. Admittedly I was a bit disappointed at first when I heard the Pens traded for him, but when I saw what they gave up there's no way they lose in this deal.
The guy's obviously chock full of experience and grit. Makes you wonder where Dan Bylsma is going to fit him into the equation. A lot of speculation would lead you to believe he'll fill in as Sidney Crosby's winger. However I wouldn't be surprised if he took a second line role with Malkin/Sykora or on the third with Staal/Kunitz (less likely).
All season long we've talked about Pitt's lack of veteran leadership in the locker room. Now they have it just in time for a serious playoff push, and a serious one at that.
Pittsburgh is his eighth city in 17 seasons.
What do you think of the move?
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Burnside (2:20 p.m. ET): Interesting Bill Guerin is once again on the move at the trade deadline. And there’s no doubt he brings an interesting skill set to the table with his playoff experience (he’s played 105 postseason contests and won a Cup with New Jersey way back in 1995) to a Pittsburgh team that is suddenly looking very playoff-ready. A word of warning, however. The last time Guerin, who is now playing for his eighth NHL team, moved at the trade deadline, it didn’t exactly work out. Back in 2007, San Jose GM gave up a ton for Guerin — Ville Nieminen, prospect Jay Barriball and a first-round draft pick, and Guerin failed to score in nine postseason games before he was injured during the second round
At the expense of a conditional pick, it’s a gamble worth taking in my book.
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i like it actually
It’s never a bad trade when you can meet a critical need without giving up much of anything. In this case, the Pens are getting a gritty, physical veteran winger who can chip in a few goals and lead in the locker room the way Gary Roberts did last season, and they’re giving up (at worst) a 3rd-rounder.
Also worth noting is that Guerin came up to the NHL through the Devils system under Lemaire. So not only are we adding a veteran leader, we’re adding one who developed his game in a very fundamentally sound system. There’s leading, and there’s leading by example: expect Guerin to do lots of the little things right.
P is for Latrobe.
Also remember that Guerin scored 36 goals in 06-07 (the year he went to San Jose).
I think it’s a good trade for the Pens. Guerin has a lot more to offer on the ice and in the room than a guy like Satan.
Amen to that. Guerin brings a lot more than Satan could ever in the playoffs.
by MalkinMilitia on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s more Kunitz like (or vice versa since Guerin is the elder). The Pens need a couple guys who aren’t afraid to get ugly goals.
He certainly can. Guerin is an older power forward, in a sense, will help with ugly goals.
by MalkinMilitia on Mar 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to be the guy that bores a blog but I agree with all of you. Guerin for a 3rd rounder at worst is that Gary-Roberts-like move that may not seem like much but can pay huge dividens down the road.
The questions are where does he play? Is there another move coming? Where is Crosby’s winger? Is Gogo coming back? He have about 25 minutes to find out? What about Satan?
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Dr Tre, I think your outlook is pretty measured. This isn’t a 28 year old Bill Guerin, it’s a 38 year old player definitely towards the end of his playing days..
I still think it’s a good move (given that the Pens have two 3rd round picks) and could be a great one if Guerin has a little still in the tank.
But you’re right to suggest Guerin’s not going to be the biggest impact player in 2009.
Melrose is loving the Bill Guerin deal. He believes he will add a lot of experience to the Penguins’ lineup.
hard to see Staal moving with his recent play and chemistry with Kunitz.
by MalkinMilitia on Mar 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but you think kunitz will stay on his line when sid returns? cu i think he will move to that line
I almost hope they don’t mess with that line to be honest with you. Maybe experiment with it on the PP or something but if it aint broke….
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I agree, Staal and Kunitz are lighting up the scoreboard, no need to mix up a good thing, certainly at this point in the season.
by MalkinMilitia on Mar 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to change the subject, but
did any of you notice AO got “injured” in practice? I hadn’t heard that, I must be living in a bubble.
Report said it was nothing serious, Pens fans can only hope it is serious.
by MalkinMilitia on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah “nothing serious” camr from the training staff though. Taking a slap shot off of the foot can do some damage, but I’d have to assume it didn’t do too much.
Indeed it can, but knowing Ovie, he will play no matter what, though a more serious injury could slow him down.
by MalkinMilitia on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
3rd round pick for a 38 year old? For that price, you better hope he plays a key role in a run to the conference finals at least…
It’s only a third if they win the first round of the playoffs. Plus the Pens had an extra third round pick.
forgive me for assuming that the Pens are gonna get to the second round at least :)
didn’t know about the extra pick, though…whose pick was it, and which one is on the block?
Yeah, and TSN did a study of draft picks and the players that make the NHL by the round they were drafted in….89% of first rounders go on to stick in the NHL and as you would imagine it continues to drop off.
In other words, a 3rd round NHL pick is not a surefire bet. Robert Botuzzo, Brian Strait, Nick Johnson and Brian Gifford are some recent Penguin 3rd rounders, guys that for the moment no one has heard of.
Sure, you can find a Kris Letang (the first pick of the 3rd round) every once in a while, but more often than there’s a reason guys drafted in round 3 weren’t taken in round 1 and 2.
Oh, i agree, it’s starting to devolve into a crapshoot by the time you get to the third round….then again, being a Red Wings fan, I think of third round picks in terms of Nick Lidstrom, Chris Osgood, Johann Franzen…
The Red Wings are a freak of the NHL who are exceptions….If everyone had their scouting/drafting/developing techniques the league would be a scary place.
went to wikipedia just now to look up Red Wings draftees…and yeah, they’ve definitely got some crazy good overseas scouts….
just for trivia’s sake, gotta point out that Peter Sykora was a third rounder, too, I’d totally forgotten that the Red Wings had drafted him initially….I don’t really remember him ever playing for Detroit though…
apparently the Red Wings draftee was a Petr Sykora who played a couple games fro the preds in 1998, ten games for the Capitals back in 2005-06….couldn’t deal with the culture shock, apparently….
apologies on the misinformation, just saw the name on a list of draftees and didn’t actually click on the link to verify which petr sykora they were talking about…
LeBrun (2:51 p.m. ET): We just confirmed the Coyoytes traded Daniel Carcillo to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for Scottie Upshall and a second-round draft pick. Great deal for Phoenix in my mind. Philly has cleared up some cap space with this deal. So will they get Derek Morris or Jay Bouwmeester? Just got a note from Panthers’ war room on Bouwmeester and they’re still debating their options.
Bill Guerin’s comments to TSN:
Guerin: "It was a pretty painful process… we thought we had a deal done a few days ago… I’ve been through trade deadlines before… I’m extremely excited to be going to Pittsburgh… a young talented team like that… they’re playing great… "
I wonder if Pittsburgh was the team involved in the talks all along or if they scooped in at the last moment….Anyone hear anything like that?
Classy right to the end. Thanks for the memories Billy.
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by Michael Schuerlein on Mar 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
So what do we think the lines will look like now?
I am kind of thinking:
Staal – Crosby – Kunitz
Sykora – Malkin – Guerin
Cooke – Talbot – Kennedy/Dupis
Goddard – ??? – Dupis/Kennedy
Clearly, the 4th line is a question mark -Who plays center? – but I kind of like the look of the first three lines.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Mar 4, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions
Too bad we lost Zygomanis for the season. I still think he was a great signing
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Mar 4, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to Tenks? Here’s mine
Kunitz – Crosby – Staal
Fedotenko – Malkin – Sykora
Cook – Talbot – Guerin
Dupuis – Thomas – Adams
We did not acquire Guerin to play on the 3rd line
Kunitz-Crosby-Guerin
Sykora-Malkin-Fedotenko
Dupuis-Staal-Cooke
Kennedy-Talbot-Goddard
WE ARE.......PENN STATE!
right – I somehow forgot about ’tank
and Adams, but we’ve had him for, like five minutes and not the whole season.
(no Kennedy)
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Mar 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
yep, I guess that why he gets the big bucks
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Mar 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
And Cooke-Talbot-Dupuis was our best line against Tampa last night. I say play Guerin with Crosby to start, move him down in Fedotenko’s place next to Malkin and his old teammate Sykora if he doesn’t mesh well with Sid. Please keep Kunitz on a line with Staal; it’s a deadly combination right now.
P is for Latrobe.
by holiday park on Mar 4, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I also can’t see Guerin going to the third line, but if we’re having this kinda of debate I can’t imagine what Byslma and Co. are going through.
Is it fair to say we have a little depth now?
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Good trade
I didn’t get an article that showed what the conditions were for… but I was surprised to see the highest it could be was a 3rd round pick and the lowest a 5th…
I like it! I’m not saying I wouldn’t have rather got a St. Louis or someone with more skill.. but Guerin can definitely help this team now and deep into the playoffs.
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