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Flyers' Daniel Carcillo to meet with NHL today at 3pm

If you caught the finals 60 seconds of last night's game then you're no stranger to the Philadelphia Flyers' attempt to "send a message" to the Pittsburgh Penguins.  Even though Bill Guerin and Braydon Coburn, for lack of better words, tackled one another in front of the Philly net, it's more than obvious that Philly's cheap shots easily outnumbered Pitt's.  Plus, who's to say that was instigated by Coburn?

Given the NHL's watchful eye over this series - literally of course, since Gary Bettman was in attendance for this one - it should come as no surprise that the league is stepping in to discuss the hit Daniel Carcillo delivered to Max Talbot.  With less than 20 seconds remaining, following a faceoff outside of the Philly zone, Carcillo dished what looked like a high stick or cross check to Talbot.  The end result sent Talbot flying down to the ice but didn't escalate from there.  Luckily he skated off to the bench without any obvious need for medical attention.

The NHL will hold a hearing with Philadelphia Flyers forward Daniel Carcillo at 3 p.m. ET Thursday to discuss an incident that took place during the Flyers' Game 1 loss to the Pittsburgh Penguins, 4-1, Wednesday night.

Personally I'm a little surprised that this is the one being examined.  I thought the hit to the back on Jordan Staal was much worse and carried riskier implications.  Unfortunately I didn't catch the number of the train that hit him, but it was a more than obvious cheap shot.  I guess this will have to do for now.

So to recap - hit on Staal, fight with Guerin, cheap shot on Talbot all within the final 40-50 seconds.  If the Flyers want to send messages with their antics then let them.  Pitt will continue to do it with their sticks and be rid of this series in three more games.

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True, I'm biased but...

It was Parent that hit Staal, and from memory, I thought he caught Staal off balance. Was it a cross-check? Maybe, but Staal was closer to the goal line than the boards. The hit just didn’t seem dirty to me since both players seemed to be standing relatively still – not a charge, not a race to the corner, just an awkward check.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 16, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for clearing up who hit ‘em. It looked to me like a pretty obvious hit to the back. And honestly I try to look at things like this in as unbiased a view as possible. Honestly I think the entire Guerin/Coburn thing was stupid. Talbot was hit but I didn’t really think it was that bad until further review. The obvious cross check to Matt Cooke went unnoticed and apparently the Staal thing can swing either way.

I just think that for all the Philly fans who think VS. is on Pitt’s side (or the refs for that matter) you can easily look at those examples and see that the Pens don’t get the call sometimes either.

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by FrankD on Apr 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The consensus I have on how the media has been, in general, over the last so and so years is a complete lack of bias. Sure, there are players who get attention, but they put the spotlight there for a reason. If the commentators bring up Sidney Crosby, it’s not to say he’s the best player in the universe, it’s that he’s going to be the best player in the universe soon they want to bring up how he’s played, how he’s been playing, or something to watch for from him or his line.

I don’t see why the scape goat needs to be thrown out like VS has a boner for the guy, when I could create the same argument they have a love fest with Jeff Carter for talking about how amazing he was for the Flyers.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.

by Lavender on Apr 16, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the problem is that Carcillo isn’t even a center, what was he doing taking that faceoff in the first place, if not to create trouble?

by Hooks Orpik on Apr 16, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Hooks, the philly center probably got kicked out of the faceoff for excessive gooning…

go pens!

by cyroose on Apr 16, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the center was not kicked out. Carcillo lined up to take the face off either at his own discression or the coaches and actions like that should be looked into. This was not a “heat of the moment” rivalry thing it was an angry rivalry thing. I will conceed that this is what happens when two rivals meet in the post season but the intent of Carcillo was obvious and the league has to look into it in order to maintain credibility.

by PensFan024 on Apr 16, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also it’s definitely not cool because Talbot and Carcillo were teammates down in Wilkes-Barre for part of the 2005-06 season, so Carcillo attacked someone he even knew. Not cool.

by Hooks Orpik on Apr 16, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do my best not to be biased...

…but I’m really confused by this.
If anything I thought that “tripping” call on Hartnell would have been looked at as a possible knee on knee hit. The Guerin/Coburn thing at least SEEMED to have been instigated by Guerin, but I’m not sure if I ever saw if anything from Coburn prompted that reaction.

Either way, I’m not sure what happened for Carcillo to deserve this.

And honestly, I think the fourth line was out that late in the game because they had a better game than the rest of the lines did. Regardless, if the Flyers continue to play like that, they’re going to prove all the experts wrong and be done in 4 games, not 6 or 7.

by eac on Apr 16, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

The fact that we can all have our own idea of what hits should be looked at says a lot about the Flyers.

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by FrankD on Apr 16, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guerin was slashed at the drop of the puck. So now you know what prompted the hugfest. Carcillo is being treated this way because he should not have been taking the face off and he caught Talbot with the butt end of his stick in the head on an intentional move.

by PensFan024 on Apr 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

brutal

well, I missed the Carcillo play.
what a great, heads up, thinking man’s play…[/sarcasm]

::sigh::

by eac on Apr 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple quick points

EAC, I am pretty sure that immediately after the faceoff Coburn nailed Guerin with a nasty slash. You could see it from the behind-the-net camera. I think Guerin basically said “OK, enough of this BS” and dropped the gloves. Coburn instigated that fight with a pointless slash.

Was I the ONLY one last night that saw the puck hit Crosby’s stick and slightly change direction into the net on that questionable goal?! Both the Flyers and Pens announcers (or so I hear) were adamant that it was not going to be ruled a goal. Yet on the overhead, you could clearly see Crosby’s stick come forward and the puck SLIGHTLY change direction. Am I imagining things? I thought it was an easy good goal call to make.

by shafnutz05 on Apr 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

They only showed the overhead view once I think. I thought it was clear and so did Toronto. Later in the game Errey clerified the situation by pointing out that it was not the kicking motion that mattered but the fact that Crosby got a stick on the puck after the kick. The Effing refs were garbage last night. They couldn’t even relay that message properly.

by PensFan024 on Apr 16, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

Yeah the zebras were pretty bad…the worst part about their mixed message on the good goal call is it gave the Flyers announcers a reason to get up in arms. I am looking forward to Game 2…if they were trying to “send a message” last night, all they probably did was p1ss off Crosby and the rest of them even more.

by shafnutz05 on Apr 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

well at least that hugfest makes some sense now. it seemed to come out of nowhere last night.

by eac on Apr 16, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and...

It took Hartnell about one period to make me completely forget all of the lovable interactions he had with Penguins fans over the past couple months. Whether its ramming Fleury into the cage, trying to take our guy’s knee out (the trip, I can’t remember who it was), or just being generally irritating. And to think, I almost brought myself to like the guy.

by shafnutz05 on Apr 16, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought him taking out Fleury was the first cheap shot of many. Hartnell was shoved very lightly, and kind of used that to plow through him.

Fairly poor sportsmanship was resorted to when they figured they weren’t able to out physical the Pens. I believe they out hit us in the first, but they were no where near as solid or powerful as, say, one Kunitz slam.

Game 2 should be splendid :)

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.

by Lavender on Apr 16, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hartnell is not a goon. He’s a talented, scrappy player. He did not run Fleury. Look at the replay. His shove was not light.

And the trip – it was a penalty. But for anyone who has played, he got deked and when you’re going for a hit, you react. yes, it needs to be taken out of the game, which is why it needs to be called. But knee on knee collisions injure both players, so it’s not like Hartnell is trying to injure him. It’s a shitty play, he went to the box, it’s over.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Hartnell likes Hartnell. The guy is just dirty.

Lifes rough, wear a helment

by lambofgad on Apr 16, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that trip was on Letang.

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by FrankD on Apr 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right Frank…how could I forget the brave little one Kris Letang hustling off the ice after almost having his ACL blown out.

by shafnutz05 on Apr 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

we gave them upshall AND a draft pick for carcillo?

riley cotes skinnier, meaner little brother needs to get the hell off the ice. hopefully homer only did this to bring jaybou, lords knows philly needs him. 2010 ideally looks like this for me (+jaybou, +JVR, -carcillo, -knuble)

by kolparty on Apr 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah...

They kept talking about how much you guys were missing Upshall on CSN last night. That is an optimistic picture you are painting for next year, but it would indeed be a good one

by shafnutz05 on Apr 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's 2009, not 1979

Come on now. The Flyers did what they did at the end because they were frustrated. Does that make it right? Absolutely not. But that’s playoff hockey. I guarantee you that if the shoe were on the other foot, the Pens would have acted similarly. Please get it through your heads that the Flyers are not the only team in the league who does this stuff. Watch some other teams aside from your own once in a while and you’ll agree with me.

Anything Carcillo does is stupid, so we’re all in agreement there. Hartnell acknowledged his leg-on-leg hit as stupid. If he were on your team, you’d love him most of the time but loathe him when he plays as he did last night. Re: Coburn and Guerin, lots of players hack and slash in the playoffs. Get used to it. Players like Sean Avery make a living out of playing that way. As for Parent, the hit looked worse than it actually was. Staal was off balance there. Sure, it was a cross-check, but I’ve seen much worse. Bill Clement on CSN said something to the effect of: “Staal’s a big man, and he hasn’t been falling down all night after taking harder hits than that.”

Yes, the Penguins were the much better team and deserved to win. Yes, the Flyers were a little excessive in “sending a message.” But everyone does that in the playoffs. And by “everyone” I mean teams who wear colors other than orange and black.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 16, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I watch no teams other than my own. Even when they’re playing another team. :)

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t get it. On one hand, yes, Darius Kasparaitus and Ulf Samuelsson played in Pittsburgh, and neither was an angel. I constantly have Bruins fans complain to me about Ulf’s hit on Cam Neely (well, the Bruins fans who knew that hockey existed as a competitive sport before January. Which is, like, 9 people.). I guess, for me, it’s one thing if that happens in the heat of a tightly contested game. I just have a problem with the cheap shots that happen after the play and after a game is out of reach for one team. The worst example, for me, did not involve the Flyers at all; it involved Brent Sutter’s Flames against the Red Wings in the first round in 2007; when they basically just gooned it up in response to having their asses handed to them by Detroit, culminating in Jamie McLennan’s baseball-bat slash against Johan Franzen. So my response is: play as hard as you want when the game’s still a contest; but if you’re losing take the loss like a man. Period.

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by holiday park on Apr 17, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to TSN Carcillo was handed a 1 game suspension for his actions in the final minutes of game one. The question i’m “wondering is sending a message” in the dying seconds of regulation worth getting suspended over. Does it boost or hinder the team?

Lifes rough, wear a helment

by lambofgad on Apr 16, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

They just discussed this during the first intermission on Verses.

Apparently the league forwarded to all teams that they want to crack down on final minute “sending a message” antics, and clearly, there were many more than just that one incident that deserve a look into, but I think a one game is ok. Glad they didn’t overkill that when the hit on Staal was a tad bit dirtier.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.

by Lavender on Apr 16, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It boosts the team when it's Carcillo getting suspended.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 16, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Now someone useful can be put out there.

by pintium02 on Apr 16, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah I guess this is all working out for the Flyers then, huh?

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by FrankD on Apr 17, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. You can dress Upshall for the game.

Ooh, sorry. Too soon?

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by holiday park on Apr 17, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You realize Upshall is a smaller, less talented Hartnell, right? If Upshall was in the game, you’d be bitching about a hit he made instead of Carcillo. These are the types of guys the Flyers should be known for. Not Carcillo, Cote, or the Dan Line (Anybody?)

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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