Are the '08-'09 Pens Better than the '07-'08 Pens?
I know that the conventional wisdom in the hockey media is that this year's Penguins team is not as good as last year's team. Yet in spite of the fact that Barry Melrose is never wrong about anything, after watching the Pens blaze through the NHL over the past few months and wax the Flyers in their playoff opener, I've found myself questioning this assumption. Here are 6 reasons why:
1. The two biggest stars. Unlike last season, when Sidney Crosby missed significant time due to ankle injury, this year the team has had basically a full healthy season of Sid. A full year to build on-ice chemistry, and a full year to bond. It just seems like the connection between captain and team is tighter this year. And who can doubt that Evgeni Malkin is a better player this year? Aside from winning his first scoring title, Geno's game has progressed in all areas, particularly his defensive acumen and his on-ice leadership.
2. Chris Kunitz. While we all lamented the departure of local-boy-made-good and all-around great guy Ryan Malone, particularly during the winter slump when his energy and aggressiveness were missed, the acquisition of Kunitz was the best possible response by the front office. In Kunitz we've gotten a tough, young, skilled winger like Malone (but arguably a better player), and one who (unlike Malone) has the experience of helping a team win a Stanley Cup. And yes, we'll be paying Kunitz about $1m less per year than Tampa paid Malone.
3. Bill Guerin. Similarly, the departure of Gary Roberts left the Pens with a significant void of veteran leadership. In acquiring Guerin for a song, Pittsburgh gets a skilled, gritty veteran player with the experience of winning Cups in arguably the most fundamentally sound hockey system in recent memory (the Lemaire/Robinson/Burns-era Devils). Guerin is definitely a step up from Roberts.
4. Marian Hossa. While his hockey skills are obviously above question, signing Hossa would have likely consigned Pittsburgh to Senators/Lightning territory (i.e., being unable to build a solid team because 3 salaries back you up against the salary cap). Would we have been able to extend Fleury and Staal with that contract? Would we have been able to acquire key role players like Kunitz? Doubtful. Moreover, I'm not a fan of adding superstar players as deadline rentals, because it can upset the leadership balance in the locker room. And I would much rather head into the playoffs with guys like Guerin who actually want to be here.
5. Dan Bylsma. This is tough for me to write, because I was not a fan of firing Michel Therrien: ultimately I'm not sure he would have been fired if he'd had a full season of Gonchar, Kunitz, and Guerin. And insofar as he instituted a hard-working, defensively-sound system in Pittsburgh and down through the minor leagues (one which Bylsma emulates), this organization owes Therrien a debt of gratitude for the role he played in taking us to the Finals just 2 years after the nightmare season of '05-'06. If Pittsburgh wins the Stanley Cup this year, I hope Therrien gets one of the rings. All that said, the dynamic between players and coach finally broke down this year. To the extent that the team buys into what Bylsma is doing, in a way that didn't happen with Therrien, they're better off.
6. Experience. It's odd to think about the Penguins this way, because they're such a young team, but last season really turned them into a veteran squad. Most of the players on last year's team had seen a total of 5 playoffs games at the time the postseason began; now those same players can say they came within 2 games of winning a Stanley Cup. And we've added three players with rings (Kunitz, Guerin, Fedotenko) and another (His Satanic Majesty) who played in the Finals with Buffalo in 1999. Last year, we were playing a team that had been there before; this year, whomever comes out of the West won't have that advantage if we make it that far.
Thoughts?
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Good points, HP. I think this year’s Pens team has the possibility to take a very, very deep run, but don’t forget that last year’s version did win 14 playoff games. That sets the bar really high.
I think the first line is better overall….Sure Hossa is a better player than Kunitz or Guerin, but last year Pascal Dupuis was the third member of that line and Crosby’s health right now is better than it was this time last year.
I think last year’s second line was better. Malkin is the constant of excellence, but Malone scored 16 points in 20 game (can’t see Fedotenko doing that) and Sykora is currently slumping (though that could change soon).
This year’s third line, I believe, is better. Jordan Staal and Tyler Kennedy are a year older, more experienced and look more comfortable.
The defense is basically the same, if not a little better since Eaton is back and guys like Letang, Scuderi and Orpik are more experienced and playing better.
Fleury, as the goalie always is, is the key. So far, so good he looked in spring 2008 form last night, just has to keep sharp.
The fourth line/reserves are just as good if not better. Dupuis, Talbot and Adams give an honest effort and Godard, Satan and Boucher are waiting in the wings in case of injury.
Obviously we won’t know for a while how it turns out, but last year the Pens easily rolled through the Eastern Conference. With the way they played last night, it was certainly reminiscent of last spring’s performance.
I agree that the bar is high. I’ve never enjoyed watching a Penguins team as much as I enjoyed last year’s lineup. And I include the Cup-winning teams in that.
I think the biggest difference for this team vs. last year’s is between the ears, as I said in another post. They may be less talented, player for player, than that squad, but I think the experience of last year’s Finals and all the adversity this year have made them much tougher mentally. To the extent that that helps them respond to pressure and execute their game better, this year’s team might be a good bit harder to play against.
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by holiday park on Apr 16, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly think that it’s hard to base all this off one game, but that said, in yesterday’s game I felt like we were more physical and aggressive than all of last season’s Stanley Cup run.
But it was the Flyers ;) Don’t count the chickens yet, just smile and await the journey to come!
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Yeah I’m also hesitant to base it off one game but if that one game is any indication of what we can expect for the remainder of the run then I’d say you hit it right on the head.
Kunitz was awesome last night. He was hitting everything that moved, making his presence known in front of the net and was at least proving to the Flyers that if you’re going to keep Sid and Geno covered then you better not forget him too.
It’s not strange to think that Hossa would’ve flourished in Bylsma’s system better than Therrien’s. The backcheck, forecheck sorta play is exactly what he brought to the team when the team wasn’t focused on that style of play. Missed the boat on that one I guess.
Tank didn’t do much on the score sheet but i think he made his presence known throughout the game. He helped carry the puck into the Flyers’ zone a decent amount of times, through his body around and looked alive on the ice.
And on a side note let me just say that I hope the added agitation from Philly at the end of the game doesn’t lead Bylsma to pull Adams from the lineup in favor of Godard. Hopefully that didn’t get into his head.
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yeah, i agree with most of what everyone here is thinking… a whole year of the current roster would have been scary. the moment the made the deadline trades i was impressed, and it showed on the ice. you could tell from the first game of the season this year that the pens were missing something. post deadline trades, you could tell they got their swagger back. are they better? not sure. on one had, i love the adds of kunitz and guerin. both the types of players this team needs: gritty, dedicated, and love the game and want to win. sure satan has been a bust, but i think those two guys will more than make up for roberts and malone. with that said, it’s hard to ignore the fact that hossa dominated in the playoffs last year, and hasn’t missed a beat this year. how does someone put up over 90 points and go under the radar? he quietly put another great season together in detroit. i don’t think any team can float 4 superstars up front (that’s right, i’m adding staal into the mix). too many cooks spoil the brooth. even the avs never had 4 up front. sakic and forsberg up front, blake on the blueline, and roy in net. the famous oilers of the 80s were the same. gretz and mess up front, coffey and lowe on D, and fuhr in net.
with that said, do i think the team is more skilled? no. but i think it’s a better team as crosby is healthy and energized, malkin is the leagues best and still under-rated, staal continues to be one of the best two way forwards, gonchar still one of the best offensive d’s, and the list goes on. however, the rest of the east has also gotten better. so will they get back to the cup and win it? not sure. i think they will, but they wont go 12-2 in the east like last year.
Your last point is a good one: the Pens shouldn’t expect to blow through the Eastern conference like they did last year, and it won’t be a negative reflection on the team if the road is rougher this time around. The Pens were somewhat fortunate last year to draw a collapsing Senators team in the first round and an injury-depleted Flyers squad in the conf. finals. The East is definitely stronger this time around, Montreal’s regression being more than offset by the improvements of the Bruins and Capitals and the relative health of the Flyers.
Another way to look at it would be that, if they can get back to the Finals, they’ll be a much more battle-tested team this time around.
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by holiday park on Apr 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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i think they play with a bit more intensity thanks to guerin and kunitz. but in order for this team to be comparable to last years, the wingers need to produce. we cant back on sid, geno, and a random third or forth line producing. staal will get hot soon, but kunitz sykora/satan need to get on the board and get hot.
by oldtimehockey09 on Apr 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

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