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Marc-Andre Fleury vs. the Caps, reason to worry?

The subtle little digs that Caps blogs love to take will be piling in at Marc-Andre Fleury...In fact, they've already begun:

It's a different Pens team now, to be sure... but it's the same Pens goalie.

To be sure, Marc-Andre Fleury's stat line against Washington this year is not very good, as Seth from Empty Netters broke it down:

1-3-0, 4.73 GAA and a .873 save percentage. 

Yeah, that's ugly.  But let's take a look at Fleury's 2007-08 numbers against a Washington Capitals team thatis largely the same then, as it was now--inherently more experienced now, but the key players remain:

2-0-0, 1.50 GAA and a .957 save percentage.

And in 2006-07?

3-0-0, 2.27 GAA and a .922 save percentage.

It's undisputable that Fleury (and the Pens defense in front of him) have had a rough time with the Capitals this year.  But historically, he's been good against Washington.  Also, Fleury's creating a great playoff body of work.

Throw that up against a guy who's got 12 NHL games (though an impressive record of 8-2--1).  Simeon Varlamov, without question, is the goalie of the future.  But he's a goalie who's never seen the strength of forwards in an NHL series that Pittsburgh will throw at him.  Marc-Andre Fleury has seen what Washington can do.

Given the choice, I'll gladly take the Flower I know over the young buck I do not.

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As the great Russian Ivan Drago said to Rocky " I must Break you" and “You will Loose”
The Pens put up a good fight against the fly boys but the Caps are a more talented team. It should be a great series. The Caps in 7.

by Caps in 7 on Apr 29, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

put up a great fight?

Pardon me but your Caps were VERY fortunate to get out of the first round.
I’m looking forward to this series. And I’m glad this is how the pieces came together. This has the potential to be an instant classic, and a career defining game for any of the three best players in the game Crosby, Malkin, or even Ovechkin.

by Jake B on Apr 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps are a more talented team?

Based on what assumption? What facts do you have to back this up? You have an increadibly talented showboat, who has a great release on his shot and plays with wreckless abandon. You have a loudmouth foward who thinks he is better than he is. You have a defenseman who jumps into the play and can score, but also gives up a lot of opportunities by doing so. And an obscure goalie who doesn’t quite realize what he is into, that of course is according to your own team’s comments.

On the other hand the Pens have a solid and gritty defense, tow of the games top four fowards, An offensive blueliner, who can also play defense., and a goaltender who has been to the finals, who has stood on his head to win games, and is a solid player regardless of a couple of games three months ago.

Ya’ll have a good team, no doubt, but don’t be so quick to annoint yourselves the “more talented team”.

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Apr 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well based on 82 games. The Caps played well all year where pens just joined the party around late Feb, plus the whole 3-0-1 thing. Different coach, new players, I understand. Plus, the playoffs arent the regular season.

I guess because he shoots a lot, scores a lot and celebrates a lot he is a showboat-that’s fine…because he can certainly back it up.

Semin ain’t Malkin but he’s got just as many goals as he does now in the playoffs so Semin is no bum but a loudmouth I guess ( I’ve never heard the man talk). Backstrom ended the regular season with about 4 less assists then Crosby. Gonchar is good but Green is great. And we don’t know what we have in goaltending yet.

" 60 percent of the time...it works everytime"

by shwedy on Apr 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well based on the 82 games played earlier this year. And based on the 4 games the caps/pens played. It’s different now- new coach, new players, new “season”. got it.

I guess because he shoots and scores a ton, because he celebrates and because he has a personality he’s a showboat. Is that bad? Because he can certainly back it up. I have no problem when you can walk the walk.

I’ve never heard Semin talk, is he the loudmouth? So far in the postseason, he’s right up there with Malkin. I actually think he’s better then people give him credit for. The dude has a 100 pt season in him I believe. But no, he’s not Malkin.

Crosby had about 4 more assists then Backstrom this year. Gonchar is good, but he’s not Mike Green.

But goaltending is the big question for sure. Varly played great and had 2 shutouts. Yes, it was the Rangers for sure. So we don’t really know.

Goaltending is going to be everything in this series because these teams have so much talent up front.

" 60 percent of the time...it works everytime"

by shwedy on Apr 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on, a more talented team??? Really?

The Caps are a one-dimensional team that is weak on D and in goal. Where’s the “keeping the puck out of your own net” talent??? Also, the Caps “talent” didnt seem to fare real well against the lowly Rangers. I much prefer the Caps than the Bruins. Is this the series where Ovechkin realizes that playing as a team is more important than playing as an individual? And, when Semin realizes that he’s really… not all that good? Go Pens! This will be over in 6 at the Igloo.

by gorgalor on Apr 29, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that the Caps got to 108 points with Theo in net is a great thing and proves that our Defense is not really weak. The “experts” that kept talking about how bad our D was all year were simply lazy. I mean we certainly don’t play the trap.

And the Caps struggled early on but I’m not worried because MAF certainly isn’t Lundquist. Remember, we came back and won 3 in a row. 7th seed or not it’s still impressive.

Why do you have the impression that Ovy doesn’t realize the importance of playing like a team? I’m not sure where your going with it.

" 60 percent of the time...it works everytime"

by shwedy on Apr 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he isnt lund

hes better then lunquist. we will see when the series is over

by oldtimehockey09 on Apr 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that the Capitals playoff hopes and dreams rest on the shoulders of a twenty-year-old baby goaltender with only a handful of games in the National Hockey League to his credit should concern the Washington fanbase much more than it obviously does. I give Varlamov credit – if it weren’t for him, it is doubtful the Capitals would have been able to avoid another first round exit. But if he falters, which is very likely considering both his youth and inexperience, who will back him up?

by kellyn on Apr 30, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point. The Rangers weren’t really an offensive juggernaut for him to go up against but he did put together a formidable run. I guess if anything this is his real test of the playoffs. If he falters then he proved he can do it and will do it again with more experience. If he takes Pitt down – well, that speaks a lot for what he’s capable of.

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by FrankD on Apr 30, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it Hooks, why you got to be bringing me down with all these facts?

by David Getz on Apr 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not concerned. MAF has come up huge in the playoffs when his team needed him. Sure, he had a bad game in Philly but you can’t really blame him for that one. That was a complete defensive breakdown. If the Pens are down and the responsibility takes on more of a “keep the Pens in it” sort of feel then I’d want no other goalie between the pipes.

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by FrankD on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

throw those numbers out that was a different team when they played in the regular season. plus this is the playoffs completely different story and fleury shines in the playoffs

by Mathews on Apr 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Varly already a nickname. well he should get to know sid and geno because this isnt chris drury and dubinsky anymore, this guy is about to get a major test, one hes never seen the likes off

by Mathews on Apr 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Fleury has the pedigree and has walked the walk… Going into the playoffs (and this round) with a guy in the net who has been to the finals is a good thing…

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

The first three games between the Caps/Pens this year should be thrown out. The Pens were, forgive me, simply not competing for Therrien, and they played very little defense in front of Fleury.

Fleury has been terrific before. He’s also been putrid, as well, and sometimes both in the same series if I recall correctly.

I doubt he wins this series on his own, but I also doubt he loses it either.

by fat_daddyo on Apr 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The Penguins don’t need Fleury to be 1999 Dominik Hasek or 1986 Patrick Roy. He’s sensational in some games (see game 4 of the Flyers series), average in others. But if he’s good enough to win 4 against the Capitals then I could care less about the stats.

And while the Caps are talented I haven’t been that impressed by their postseason play. I’d be more worried about them if they’d swept the Rangers like I expected them to. It took Pittsburgh fewer games to eliminate Philadelphia, and the Flyers are a much more formidable team than the Rangers. Then again, predicting things you don’t control can be kind of tricky; ask Barry Melrose how that Sharks-Flyers Cup Final is shaping up. Either way, really looking forward to this series.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Apr 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol, Melrose sure called that…

go pens!

by cyroose on Apr 29, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved when he said something along the lines of “No doubt in my mind that San Jose is advancing to the Finals this year.” This coming from a guy who was fired less than 3 months into the season.

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by FrankD on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This coming from a guy who was fired less than 3 months into the season.

I am sure there was no doubt in his mind that that was coming to. The Mullet is such a tool.

by kellyn on Apr 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

used to have respect for melrose

but since he has the ugliest suits since the 70’s, a haircut from the 80’s, and has a propensity to pick against the pens im done.

by oldtimehockey09 on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. I used to admire his dapper dress and “expert analysis.”

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by FrankD on Apr 29, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be happy he picks against the Pens – he usually touts the Devils as the next Stanley Cup champion at some point during the regular season and every year he does that they always lose. He is so annoying.

by kellyn on Apr 30, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just want to shave his eyebrows off so we dont ever see him again this season

by oldtimehockey09 on Apr 30, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

good to know i'm not the only melrose basher

Last night I saw him on ESPNEWS, where in his, “I haven’t changed my haircut since we won the Cup in 1993,” mullet, (fresh off game 7 wins by the Caps and Canes) he was quick to predict a Carolina/Washington ECF.

Clearly he put A LOT of thought into those calls.

Based on his track record, I think it’s safe to say the Pens will meet the Bruins in the next round.

by Pensburgh Pirates on Apr 30, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fleury

Over the last two seasons, no goalie has performed better in the playoffs than MAF. We all know playoff hockey is a whole other animal. That’s why it’s not surprising that Anaheim, a team that traditionally comes to play come playoff time, beat San Jose, a perennial regular season superstar.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Apr 29, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

San Jose, a perennial regular season superstar.

And perennial postseason dud ;-)

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by FrankD on Apr 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

caps vs pens

the caps better watch some film on the new and improved. the pens use to sit back, now they are in your face on every inch of the ice, the rangers, they had great success doing this, only they lacked the talent to achive.. the pens on the other hand, do not lack the talent. i look for tyler kennady, staal line to be a huge problem for the caps…. if the caps plan on trying to carry the puck in, they will find out that this does not work. if they want even a slim chance of winning they better dump and chase.. and ovie better play def……
 pen’s in 6 maybe a sweep but i’ll give the caps 2 wins…..GO PENS!!!!!!!!!!!

by neubie on Apr 29, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

While true, the Flyers don’t have a defenseman who can move the puck nearly as well as Mike Green, Tom Poti, or Brian Pothier. Green can have lapses in his own end, and the abuse he took from Sean Avery might be instructive to the Pens, but the Flyers and Capitals are entirely different teams on the back line.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Apr 30, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You haven't done it until you do it

Marc-Andre Fleury has backstopped a team in a Stanley Cup final. Semyon Varlamov has 12 games of NHL experience. That is the most telling difference between the teams. The thing is, though, Fleury had (to be charitable about it) an awful record in playoff series settings before last year…13-24, 3.62, .886, dating back to his days at Cape Breton. He’d won only two series in his playoff career — none as a professional (and he was unceremoniously benched for a series-ending game while with WBS).

Going into last year, Fleury could be said to be only going along for the ride with skaters who were much more talented and accomplished at their positions than he was at his. But he came up big, to his credit.

Varlamov is clearly further behind Fleury in terms of experience. But he’s also a guy with considerable tournament success, albeit in Russia and in world juniors. After watching him in each of his games with the Caps, I’m concerned about both his uncommon aggressivness in challenging shooters and the rebounds he occasionally yields. On the other side, Fleury had the Caps number…before this year. Was this year’s record an aberration, or did the Caps “solve” him in a similar fashion to the way they “solved” Henrik Lundqvist, who had a rather indifferent set of season numbers against the Caps, including playoffs (4-5-1, 3.19, .900)?

The wild card is probably more Varlamov than it is Fleury, because Fleury’s done it in this setting. Varlamov hasn’t even been in this setting yet. On that basis, alone, one would have to conclude that the Penguins have an advantage. But that’s not to say that it would be shocking if either Fleury had a difficult series (consistent with his regular season numbers against the Caps), or Varlamov stood on his ear (as he put it, consistent with his performance to date as a Cap).

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Apr 30, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

This whole Varlamov situation reminds me of Jesus Price last year without the lovefest that Habnot fans tend to spew.

by PensFan024 on Apr 30, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone who looks at what Varlamov did in the first round and then concludes, “oh, yeah, he’ll do that against the Penguins, too” is deluded. Pittsburgh isn’t New York. Can he do it? You wouldn’t predict it (I won’t be), but it would be — technically — “possible.”

Varlamov is playing with house money at this point. I didn’t think he’d see a playoff game until 2011 (i.e., after Theodore — remember him? — left), that he’d be fighting with Michal Neuvirth at Hershey this year and next to see which of them would get a leg up in playing for the Caps (two more different goalies in terms of style you will never see). Truth is, the Caps are three-deep in goaltending prospects, as Braden Holtby appeared to have improved considerably since he was drafted by the Caps last June.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Apr 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Once Varlamov gets more experienced he will be a monster. But you are right the Pens are not the Rangers. He will be tested and tested often.

Lifes rough, wear a helment

by lambofgad on Apr 30, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

These teams are so even

That it will ultimately come down to which goaltender outplays the other one. Fleury is going to be the reason the Pens win this series. The matchups between the teams are so close. I think the Pens have a slight advantage with their forwards. I think the Pens D is tougher and more physical but the Caps D moves the puck a little better. But Fleury is the key. Varlamov will be a top goaltender, no doubt, but Fleury is the man now.

by pretty boy floyd on May 1, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Could you make an argument that the forwards are a push? Malkin, Crosby and Staal are a magnificent centering trio, but Ovechkin and Semin are two of the deadliest goal-scorers in the league and they’re both creative finishers in traffic; if there’s anyone in the league who can dangle with Geno Malkin, it’s Alex Semin.

Backstrom is no slouch, I think it’s fair to rate him ahead of the Pen’s third-best forward. From my admittedly limited observation of Pittsburgh this year, it seems like the depth forwards from both teams are pretty even. There are some quality guys deeper on both rosters, Tyler Kennedy, Brooks Laich, Ruslan Fedetenko (He’s been clutch in the playoffs before, his 2004 run with Tampa was monstrous), Vikor Kozlov (Very big and creative with the puck when he’s not in an inexplicable slump.) and so on.

Gonchar and Green are going to cancel each others production if they’re both healthy (not necessarily a good assumption in Green’s case, he looked hurt during the Rangers series.) I agree with you, the Pens D is bigger and more physical and the Caps move the puck a bit better, especially with the return of Brian Pothier. A huge question going forward will be the continued play of Milan Jurcina and John Erskine, both of whom elevated their games dramatically against New York.

But, of course, the biggest question is Varlamov and how he responds. Fleury is a very good ‘tender, we know that and that he’s unlikely to stink up the joint. More likely he goes in the other direction, carrying the Penguins in case of a breakdown or a bad game.

I’m very much looking forward to this.

by Knee high to a duck on May 1, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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