Game 6 Recap: Caps force the game 7, take down the Pens 5-4 in OT
Two good teams, five of six games decided by a goal, three overtime games (with all the winners changing directions off the initial shot) and a lot of bumps along the ride. Yup, it's spring and the Stanley Cup playoffs. One can't help but get the feeling if this was a best of 27 series we might be headed to a 13 to 13 game tie before the decisive game.
But two teams' seasons will going to come down to a single game Wednesday night in Washington.
- The Penguins again had shot dominance, throwing 42 shots to the net. Simeon Varlamov, though still an impressive young player, is not the impenetrable wall he was built up to be earlier in the series. Get it to the net and on the net and the light will go on. I think the Penguins can take heart in that and expect them to do exactly that.
- The stats don't look good for Marc-Andre Fleury, who suffered his first career NHL playoff overtime loss, just 19 saves on 24 shots. Commend his defense for stepping into shooting lanes and being willing to show heart. But when they bump or interfere with the goalie (like Bill Guerin did on Tomas Fleischmann's goal or Hal Gill did on Viktor Kozlov's second goal) and it's hard to expect the goalie to keep it out. The defense still needs to stand tall and play tough, but they also need to let their netminder do his job.
- Kozlov showed some confidence after a rare playoff goal on a great shot to open the scoring from the Caps. Very remeniscient of how Ruslan Fedotenko looked better after he scored a goal. Perhaps Kozlov doesn't even fling the puck on from a bad angle if he hadn't tallied earlier in the game.
- Down 2-1 almost after two periods, the Penguins showed some battle to even the score. Mark Eaton demonstrated incredible poise and patience to cradle the puck, wait for a better shooting lane and then let 'er rip. Down 4-3 with time running out in the game, Sidney Crosby was skating like a man possessed in the 3rd period and banged in a goal from right in front. The Pens have showed a lot of heart in battling back, so that's another positive. On the other side of the coin, they haven't been able to hold a lead very well at times, but the fact that there's been no quit in Pittsburgh is something I see as a plus going to the all important Game 7.
- Up 1-0 mid-way through the first the Penguins had a 5 on 3 advantage and the chance to really leave the Caps reeling. They didn't. Without mentioning how nice it would have been to have PP quarterback Sergei Gonchar out there, the Pens still had more than enough talent to make a play but they didn't. Credit Varlamov and the Caps for hanging tough, but the game likely would have been totally different if Pittsburgh strikes there.
- Alex Ovechkin moved the puck well to his teammates, a dimension of his games that he often doesn't use. Ovechkin "only" had 5 shots on net, which is low for him. And really I only recall one heavy slapper that seemed like a dangerous chance.
- Dan Bylsma again chose to dress 11 forwards and 7 defensemen and I'm not sure if that is working out too well. The two newer faces in the lineup, Alex Goligoski (6:58 of even strength ice-time) and Philippe Boucher (just 13:09 of total ice-time) haven't been given a chance to get into a rhythm. Clearly it's tough to replace your #1 defensemen, but with the whole defense often sliding around with multiple partners for different shifts, the results have seemed uneven. The Caps aren't pinning the Pens in their zone that much, but little communication and fimiliarity plays between the Pens as they start breakouts don't seem to be there. I almost think it'd be better to pick a guy and even things out for stabilities sake. But I haven't coached an NHL game, so what do I know.
- The game decider, fittingly came off a faceoff win by David Steckel. Steckel killed the Pens in the circle, winning 11 of his 15 draws. Brooks Laich did well to float a high shot to the goal and Steckel got a nice deflection. No chance for the goalie there.
- No one knows Gonchar's status --Bylsma keeps saying the injury isn't as bad as initially thought, which could be a smoke screen at this point. It's hard to not want and believe there could be a Willis Reed situation for Game 7. Remember that Reed only scored 4 points in that game, it was his mere presence that boosted the team to victory. And from Game 5 of the Stanley Cup finals last season, Gonchar's shown he already has a little flair for the dramatic. No one who knows is saying the severity of the injury, so it's probably too much to get our hopes up, but wouldn't it be awesome is all I'm sayin...
So now the season comes down to a single game. The battle of attrition has to be taking it's toll on both sides, but neither can afford to blink now. Must press on, must go on the road and take on the "us against the world" mentality. The 2008-09 Penguins season has been plagued with adversity and now's another chapter. If Pittsburgh can play like their capable and get a solid effort out of all their players, it won't be the final chapter. If they don't, it'll be curtains. That simple, really.
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the defense did great with some stuff but...
you can probably blame 3 outta the 5 goals on the pens not taking care of capitals in front of the net….and one more on gil stupidly cutting behind fleury when he shouldnt have.
by t1mmy10 on May 12, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was much more harsh hooks. i felt we got out played in the areas you need to win to win a game, the corners. it seemed to me that nearly every major scrum in a corner a cap would sakte away with the puck. our defense while solid at times did not do a good enough job of clearing a lane for MAF.
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed, every time we got into a corner in their zone it made me nervous.
i hate overtimes… and game 7s. saying that, i suspect game 7 will probably go into OT.
lets go pens.
by jetpen89 on May 12, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pens need more help from officials
The Pens got just 23 penalties in 6 games with the Caps. Deduct 2 pucks over the glass, two too many men on the ice and 3 for roughing. It’ leaves us with 16 play penalties in 6 games vs. 35 for the Caps. It’s enough to tie the series but not enough to win. If in game 7 the Pens get just 2 penalties and the Caps 7 like in game 3, they have a real good chance to win.
by palm99 on May 12, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m OK with the officiating. My only gripe is that there have been a few painfully obvious diving calls that have not been called on the Caps. Semin was flopping around like he was run over by a freight train tonight, even though Orpik barely touched him. The Caps scored on the ensuing PP. I recall Ovechkin with a few other similar performances earlier this series, too. Also, the hockey gods evened out the breakaway tripping call that wasn’t made this game against the Pens. A few games back, Gil was called for tripping even though every replay showed that it was puck first. Also, I think your numbers for the penalties for and against are off. The Caps have taken substantially more penalties than the Pens which should be the case considering the Pens have carried the majority of play and have outshot the Caps in every game of this series.
by gorgalor on May 12, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur, the refs are not the problem in this series, minus of course the double standard for Ovie but that is more of a League thing!
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by Dr Tre on May 12, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there have been a few painfully obvious diving calls that have not been called
Like Talbot diving when Chris Clark gave him a little bump in game 4? Or when Crosby, a man who is completely immovable when he wants to be, falls over like a daisy when Laich gives him a little push from the side by the net? It goes both ways.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ferh if your talking about the crosscheck to crosby while he was on the ice last night, that was hadrley a love tap
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the one when he was down. But the one that put him down was not nearly enough to take Crosby off his skates. The guy is a tank on the puck (as you all know) when he wants to be and then Laich gives him a little shot and his feet fly out from under him. If the ref had called the late xcheck when he was on the ice I wouldn’t have a beef, but the arm was up before that xcheck, meaning the ref called the one that put Crosby on the ice. I just don’t buy that a guy with his strength, balance, and battle level would have gone down on that unless he wanted to.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line
is that guys on both sides have been flopping around at times like they have been shot. its just a ssad state really
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was my original point. I guess I can’t say I’m all that shocked with the way the games have been called in the playoffs.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
palm is being scarcastic
because he’s a caps fan pretending to be a pens fan.
sorry palms, but at least have the guts to admit when you were outplayed in a game and thats why you lost. like we are.
and i dont know how you can subtract delay of game & roughing penalties from the pens, but not the caps. why not skew your numbers even more and add another 20 penalties to the caps to make yourself feel better?
oh, and it was 34 caps penalties…and if you wanna “subtract” the equivalent penalties from the caps to the pens… you have 16 to 29 (2 for delay & 3 for roughing).
by t1mmy10 on May 12, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a series of oddities
maybe this is just way to bazaar but its worth noting.
home teams, 2-1 on both sides
first to score:
pens 1-3
caps 0-3
clean ot goals:
0
letang and malkin were deflections, the one tonight was also a deflection (although at least it didnt go off a pen)
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also of note:
home team has lost the last two games.
so what does that mean? not a darn thing
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Home team lost the last two games after taking both home-ice games prior to the series split. Very unpredictable
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by FrankD on May 12, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lazy, sloppy defense
They didn’t bother to clear the puck out of the zone enough, I don’t know what Hal Gill was doing standing in the goal for the one Caps goal, just very sloppy, giving them all sorts of rebound chances…you could tell Fleury was pissed, he left the ice immediately after the winning goal, they sure didn’t bother to back him up any tonight
by BlackandGoldSSgt on May 12, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the problem is they did. i think maf knows he had a bad game. he only faced 24 shots tonight. there were just a few occasions where the pens d made mistakes. at issue is the fact that the capse were able to execute tonight
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
The D kept the Caps to only 24 shots on net. The Pens’ D got in shooting lanes and blocked a ton of shots. Ovechkin was forced to spend more time passing the puck than shooting the puck. True, when Gil decided to get in the way of Fleury so he could play goal instead, it didn’t work. Also, you can’t pin the GWG on Fleury. There’s not much you can do with a deflected puck 8 feet out. That leaves 3 goals Fleury let in that he would probably want to have another look at. Varly on the other side has been barraged by shots this entire series, and the Caps have left him hanging out to dry. It’s on Fleury’s shoulders to steal a game for the Pens now.
by gorgalor on May 12, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only goal that MAF really can be blamed for is Semin’s goal. From that angle he has to be square and cover up any holes. I still don’t know where it went in but I assume it was short side, he needs to have that covered, screen or not.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it went through the five hole
cuz fleury was being screened. i think i’d still blame that one on the defense cuz he just stood by the caps player and let him screen fleury
by t1mmy10 on May 12, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Semin’s shot was actually deflected by Laich who had MAF screened perfectly. You really can’t fault him on any of the Caps goals. He didn’t play great, but he got all the pucks he should have. A great game is when you get pucks you might not normally get.
The only goal that was more a bad play by the Pens vs. a good play by the Caps was Kozlov’s second goal, where Gill got in Fleury’s way and left half the net for Kozzie to bury it.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with both of you. It was a PP. D are taught not to get tied up with the screener on a PP because a) it takes away one corner of your box and b) it doubles the screen in front. You need a guy near the screener to cover in case of a rebound but you can’t just bull the guy out of the slot/crease area like you used to be able to. Fleury was screened, yes, but from that angle he should just make himself square to the puck and close up any holes, make the guy pick a corner. MAF didn’t do that, that’s why I put that one on him. The rest of the goals are pretty tough to hold against him.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well…by not trying to box out the caps player, the caps player was allowed to take away fleury’s angle by keeping fleury in the crease cuz he was standing right on the edge of it. i guess its just a lose/lose situation then.
by t1mmy10 on May 12, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve never played goalie, but it seemed to me that MAF needed to square up much better on the steckel game winner. he leaves his catching glove floating out to the side of his body, and on the deflection the puck goes just below his outstretched arm. if he’s squared up there, his belly covers for the deflection.
by Natty Bumppo on May 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, the GWG went just inside the post. If he is square to that shot it means he’s way off his angle. Not much you can do when a puck gets tipped that close and doesn’t hit the goalie.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t say I’m happy with the result but once again it was one hell of a game. This series is absolutely insane. Could you imagine if it were actually possible for this to be the Stanley Cup Finals?
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by FrankD on May 12, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It almost happenned...
…for the wrong reasons, that being when Mario was being courted by Kansas City and their new arena…
There should be a team in that arena, but there should also be a team in Pittsburgh…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
calling BS — KC was the only place talking up a Pens move there. Most expected Ontario when Jim Balsillie was in the mix. We’ll likely never know how much was gamesmanship with the City and State to get a new arena built. KC never had a claim on our franchise. Notice how the Coyotes are looking for a destination north of the border.
There sure are a lot of new Caps fans these days, no? Not exactly a storied franchise there. I’m sure 1 1/2 years ago most of those now rocking the red wouldn’t have even noticed if the Caps had picked up and moved to KC.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooh. The Caps bandwagon claim. How was attendance doing in PIT before they won the Crosby lottery? Damn near the bottom of the league you say? Oh, so turns out DC fans and PIT fans both don’t care much for losers.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s complete nonsense. The Pens drew respectfully for a franchise in serious financial trouble. The previous ownership group ran the franchise into the ground and nearly got them liquidated. They didn’t sell out every game, but they maintained reasonable local interest. You’re argument would be more valid if you replaced Lemieux instead of Crosby and 1984 instead of 2005. the Pens did go deep in the 2nd round in 2001 (not that big a deal unless your a long time Caps sufferer).
The difference in fan interest between a Mellon crowd and a pre-2008 Verizon Center crowd was night and day. I’ve sat through countless games at Verizon Center on comp tix (very easy to come by until 2008 btw) and nobody gave a F. Granted, it was usually against some arch divisiion rival like Florida or Nashville
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nashville....
…isn’t even in the Eastern Conference dude, let alone the Southeast Division. Granted, it’s not like there are great rivalries in the division with the Caps (although a Caps/Carolina Eastern Final would certainly create a great rivalry…)
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right — that was supposed to be Thrashers. I’ve seen a Predators game too and confused them in the post. I stand behind that statement
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta… gads what an awful team…
Still if the Caps meet Carolina in the next rouns, the Southeast Division will have a rivalry (and the East will have a shot at the Cup… the last two Cup winners from the East came from the Southeast).
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been to a game in Tampa — that was a serious joke. It was like going to the rodeo.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A friend of mine is actually a Thrashers fan. He’s been to Phillip’s Arena a few times and said it’s great. Of course by great he meant cheap tickets in great locations. Other than that he just said people come to sit in the crowd and hang out a bit. It’s almost like the game is secondary to most of them.
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by FrankD on May 12, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never made it to Phillips for a game yet… one day (if the Thrash are still there, that is…) From what I’ve seen it’s a nice facility.
Actually, the best arena I’ve been in, by far, is the RBC Center in Raleigh, NC. It’s a beautiful building, with great big open concourses, comfy seats, etc. Between periods, if you want to take a walk in the concourse you can without having to try to squeeze through lines at the food stands….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 13, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pens attendance was abysmal pre-lockout. You point to a second time they almost lost the team, pre-Lemieux. That’s twice PIT has almost lost support. When was DC about to move? When did the league have to step in and save the Caps? Ted Leonsis was a God send to this franchise. You can complain about your ownership history but the Caps have had their own problems. It’s no different. I’m not claiming the Caps are a better franchises, I’m just trying to take you off your high horse. People in glass houses…
So what if a lot of visiting fans buy tickets in DC? A lot of the people that live in DC aren’t from DC so there are a lot of people with other rooting interests, it’s the nature of the city. How many transplants are in PIT? Maybe that’s why the place is either empty or full of PIT fans.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh doesn’t get as many transplants. Not as many late adopters.
When has the place been empty? You’re talking 5 years ago when the franchise, like much of the league at the time, was in serious distress. You lost me
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2004 they were dead last in the league for attendance. From 2002-06 they were in the bottom 1/3 of the league that entire time (minus the lockout year, obviously).
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you find those numbers the Pens brought in about 13,000 a game on a last place team in an arena that sits 17,000. Question, just how much Fox do you watch? This passive-agressive nature of your post with suspect, yet occasionally solid, info reminds me so much of them. They may be rubbing off on ya buddy.
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by Dr Tre on May 13, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The passive aggressive tone was a response to Chico’s condescention. I actually never watch Fox News, or any cable news. I get my news on the internet. Those links were from ESPN’s attendance figures.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario actually met with Luc Robitaille, who is part of the group that owns the KC arena (as well as the Staples Center in LA). They discussed KC as an alternative and actually offered Mario a rent payment of $0.00 if he moved the team.
Here’s the verbiage from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006-07_Pittsburgh_Penguins_season
As for being a “new” Caps fan, I’ve been a Caps STH since the 1985-86 season… possibly before you were born. The Pens almost moved to Kansas City… which would have been wrong on many levels. KC deserves a team for their arena, but not the Pens, they have the fans to support a team.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Article linked above...
Penguins officials, including Mario Lemieux and other members of the team’s ownership group, visited Kansas City, Missouri, to discuss potentials of relocating the team there.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that means what? He had to show Harrisburgh he meant business and he wasn’t taking one for the town just because he’s a local legend. It meant nothing. Without winning the Crosby lottery, Mario likely deals with Balsillie and the prospect of a move to Ontario would have been real. KC was never a given. As long as they have a building and no tennant, I expect to see the same $0 rent offer made to the Coyotes.
I wonder where the Caps would be without winning the Ovechkin lottery. Giving Jagr a long term extension? Oh wait — they would have drafted Malkin and been fine.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of hypotheticals there… if the Pens had OV and the Caps had Malkin. Remember in that draft in the first round they also landed 1/3 of their current defensive corps (Jeff Schultz who is out injured, and Mike Green). Backstrom came the following year as the Caps were 4th from the bottom and picked forth. I figure they’d be in a similar situation.
Pittsburgh would be better, as without a doubt, the coaches there would put OV and Crosby together…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby as playmaker and Ovechkin as sniper would be pretty lethal — but obviously my point is that the Pens did pretty well with the #2 pick.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Doubt....
…Malkin is the best player on the Pens and will be for many years to come. He’s a great talent.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it about DC and Crosby? So far we’ve seen blatant dives from Ovechkin and Semin — where’s so-called “Cindy” — grinding in front of your net and working towards a Conn Smythe.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll do the math for you chico. If Ocho is better than Malkin and they then say Malkin is better than Ocho then they must be able to conclude that Ocho is better than Crosby. It makes them feel better.
by PensFan024 on May 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying Crosby isn't the best Penguin...
…isn’t a bad thing. Malkin is better. Crosby, on at least 25 teams in the NHL would be the best player on the team. He wouldn’t be the best player on the Caps, Flames (Iginla), Detroit (Datsyuk) and perhaps Carolina (Eric Staal). Put him on the Blackhawks and he’s the best player, ditto for Boston (although Chara is a damn good player too). That the Pens have 2 of the leagues top 10 players makes them a great team.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the series right now...
…Crosby has been the better player, the best player for Pittsburgh. But over the course of the year (and years) Malkin seems to be better. Malkin is as good a play maker as Crosby, is as good (if not better) defensively, and has a much better shot. Crosby is a very complete player, but Malkin is better in some areas, but really isn’t weaker in any area.
Ovechkin has some weaknesses, but his positives are unreal. No one has a better shot in the NHL and he may have the best pure shot the NHL has seen since Mike Bossy. Combine that with someone who hits like Brendan Shanahan and can skate like Paul Kariya… that’s Ovie. His defense is suspect and sometimes he tries to do too much on his own (something Crosby does too… Malkin doesn’t seem to do that).
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Caps have taken some dives. But so have Talbot (on Clark), Staal (on Pothier), and Crosby (on Laich).
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno about Ovechkin diving… when he dives he is trying to make a play.
Semin is a diver and he’s been called for it a few times. If he keeps it up, he’s going to get suspended for it…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 13, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He took a big dive at center ice in game 2
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by carolinaeasy on May 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP is just numbers. Everyone knows Gonchar is the Pens’ real MVP this year. W-L tell everyting.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A very strong case can be made for that….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DMG (I think) actually made the same case that Green was the Caps’ MVP this season.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has more flavor than Crosby but is way to inconsistant to be deemed as better. It is like comparing Jagr to Lemieux. Both were great, but one was clearly better
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by Dr Tre on May 13, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby is a very consistent player, but I’m recalling last season when Crosby missed a bunch of games and the Pens barely missed a beat as Malkin stepped up. Of course, the Pens are better with Crosby, but without him they were still effective due to Malkin. For the second year in a row, Malkin is a nominee for the MVP, and he’s won the scoring title.
You’re right it’s like comparing two great players. Crosby for what he is has no negatives in his game and some great positives. Malkin also has no negatives, but most of his positives are higher than Crosby’s. If I had to choose between them now, I’d take Malkin. The Pens are lucky in that they don’t have to choose between them and they can have them both.
Of course, as a Caps backer, Ovie has to brought into this, and unlike these two chaps, Ovie does have a few holes in his game. His defense is not what it could be, and he sometimes makes a pass that you wonder what he was thinking. Some of that might be a bit of “college professor syndrome”. You know how sometimes professors will say something that is obvious and simple to them, but leaves the students with blank stares? There’s a reason the professors are professors… Ovie is like that, in that he will think everyone on the team sees (and plays) like he does. But where Ovie has positives they are extremely positive.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 13, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario announced during the summer that all of those trips were just a way of calling Pittsburgh’s bluff. I think his exact quote was something like, “KC was good for a meal or two, but we were never leaving Pitt.”
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by FrankD on May 12, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it meant playing in the Igloo for another 20 years? I’ve been there a few times and while the folks in there know their hockey and the people who run the place are great, the Pens need a new facility. The virtual looks at the new arena look great.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no. The added weight of the “threat to move” was that Mario wanted the Pens to have a new arena. There was enough interest, minimal as it was, to make him a believer in the notion that the city wouldn’t let the team go.
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by FrankD on May 12, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that right there
is the definition of a steeley eyed shrewd buisness man, another great play away from the puck by 66
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may have saved the Penguins, but if the arena deal hadn’t come through, then the move might have happened. The Pens could not stay in their current arena another 20 years… that there’s still one more year…
I am looking forward to seeing the new arena in person… :)
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 13, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got you beat sport. I even had a blue Pens jacket growing up and saw the 1982 game 4 at the Igloo where the Pens nearly upset the Isles in ‘82. I’ve even been in Mellon Arena (then Civic Arena) with the roof retracted, which hasn’t happened in ages. I will admit that hockey became a lot more fun when Mario came to town.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep trying....
I’ve been going to games since 1976 when I was a kid. My dad had a partial plan at MSG for the Rangers (ugh, I hated the Rags and usually rooted for the opponent… esp. Atlanta for some reason…maybe I wanted to Rock the Red back then too!)
When I graduated from college, I got a job in the DC area. The first order of business was finding a place to live, and second, getting hockey tickets. The Caps offered partial plans, but for the 1985-86 season you could get season ticket seats in the upper Himalayas for $8/game. So for $650 (2 seats, preseason included) I was a season ticket holder.
Wish it was still that inexpensive, but I know better. Back then, the top paid player on the Caps (Gartner, I suspect) probably didn’t make $1M/year…
I was there for many heartbreaks against the Pens, many good moments too (including a New Years Day 8-1 game where Mario and Jagr both game misconducts for abuse of officials… oh, and there was that fight Mario instigated with Bob Gould put Mario out for a few weeks and probably cost the Pens a playoff berth…
Memories… I wonder if Mario and Gould have ever talked abou that..
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1982 vs 1985? You lost me again
I went to games in the late 70s w/ my old man too, but he only went to see the Rangers when they visited the Igloo.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived in NY… I moved away after college and I am never going back…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That must be a special memory in Caps history. I hang onto memories of back to back Cups
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like a bra, the Pens have 2 Cups (sorry, couldn’t resist the joke…it’s based on the Oilers’ fans jokes: Q. What’s the difference between the Flames and Bra? A. the Flames only have one Cup….)
I suppose I can take some pride as a Caps fan in the 1992 Cup win by the Pens. The only team to really push the Pens that year was Washington, who lost in 7 games (after blowing a 3-1 lead, of course…). That Pens team was loaded with Hall of Fame players (Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Murphy, Coffey, Trottier, Mullen) a few who will end up (or should end up there) in Barasso and Recchi, and some other quality players like Rick Tocchet and Ulf Samuelsson.
The Caps had the following Hall of Famers: Rod Langway. Peter Bondra will eventually get to the Hall. The teams leading scorer was Michal Pivonka, followed by Dale Hunter… and somehow these folks pushed the Pens to within a game of elimination.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 13, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds earilly similar to today….
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I keep getting the feeling that again, for the majority of the game, the Pens absolutely outplayed the Caps but couldn’t find paydirt. Meanwhile, there was a stupid too many men penalty, the Hal Gill nonsense with Fleury, and three separate penalties drawn by Semin where he fell like he got shot when he felt a stick or hand on him. They were either the most blatant dives ever or he’s got such bad balance on his skates that I’m shocked he ever made the NHL.
If the Pens are going to win Game 7, they need to take their cues from him. Feel a stick on your hip, twist yourself like a corkscrew right into the ice. Feel a stick on your skates, let your feet go out from under you. Screw it. The officiating makes no sense, so use it to your advantage!
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by JustinM on May 12, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Semin does, in fact, have ridiculously poor balance for such a talented NHLer. That said, he also has a reputation for diving. But don’t act like he’s the only guy out there helping calls.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me (a caps fan but just one caps fan), the orpik foul that led to the goal did appear to be a dive. and yes, semin likely has a reputation as a diver at this point. there were two other instances earlier in the game, though, where semin was brought down from behind and the penguins defensemen in question never touched the puck.
semin at his best will draw a lot of penalties because he’s so skilled at keeping the puck outside the reach of an oncoming opponent.
by Natty Bumppo on May 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were two otherinstancesnon-calls earlier in the game, though, where semin was brought down from behind and the penguins defensemen in question never touched the puck.
what i meant to write.
by Natty Bumppo on May 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick to my stomach this morning!
The Pens outplay the Caps from start to finish which inlcudes keeping Ovie off the goal scoring sheet and Fluery “shits the bed” to give the Caps at least 2 if not 3 soft goals to give us a game 7.
I’m not going to lie Penguin nation I have a bad feeling about Wednesday, I think we are going to lose and lose by 2 or more goals.
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by Dr Tre on May 12, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way...
…we are the better team. We have outplayed the Caps and played a solid clean game all series. We don’t take liberties or cheap shots.
I think we win another nail biter….and Fluery is the #1 star. He is a big game goalie and he proved that last year and will prove it Wednesday night. Varlmarmaljfalskdjfmov is just a flash in the pan and has no glove at all!
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by Nick7 on May 12, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the Pens only really dominated the first period. The Caps dominated the second. And the third and OT were about even IMO. I wouldn’t expect either team to run away with game 7. It’s gonna be another nail biter.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with ferh, when you take a period and a half off, its hard to win
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Ovechkin moved the puck well to his teammates, a dimension of his games that he often doesn’t use
He’s obviously not a playmaker like Crosby, but AO’s passing is vastly underrated. If Kozlov had been finishing earlier in the series/playoffs people wouldn’t be so shocked that he all of a sudden came up with 3 As. H’es got 10 G and 10 A in the playoffs this year. That’s about as balanced as it gets.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is a thug...
….I was starting to respect Alexander Ovechkin (I won’t even give him the decency of a nickname anymore) and his style of play, but after watching him for 6 games now, he is not good for hockey. He is a me-first, diva that wants to turn the NHL into the NFL.
It is one thing to dislike a player because he is good and on the other team, but still respect him for the great athlete that he is (i.e. Marty Brodeur, Chara, etc.), but there is not a single thing I respect about Ovechkin’s game anymore. Yes, he is probably the most talented hockey player on the planet, but his gamesmanship, attitude, and respect for the game are non-existant.
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by Nick7 on May 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you say so. But the rest of the hockey universe completely disagrees with you. I understand you’re still bitter about the whole Gooch thing but your assessment of AO is just way off. The only part I’ll bother correcting is the “me-first, diva” thing. That’s absolutely not true. If you watched more Caps you’d see how pumped he gets for his teammates. He regularly gives shout outs to the PKers and the D and the goalie when he gets interviewed, even after he’s had a huge game.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well his exuberance rubs alot of the hockey establishment the wrong way.
My best friend is front Ontario, and lives, breaths, and sleeps hockey. His family and his friends can’t stand Ovechkin’s attitude or his showmanship. Whether we like it or not the NHL is a Canadian driven league, and Ovechkin has alienated alot of the Canadian fan base.
He taunts opponents (I don’t have a link, but Versus is doing a good job of showing the chicken flap every night), can be over the top in his celebrations (see the stick on fire), and is not afraid to say damn near anything even with out substantial proof:
Ovechkin suggested the Penguins will be tired after losing such a tough game at home.
“Right now, we feel more energy and more excitement than Pittsburgh,” Ovechkin said.
This is not what most longtime fans like to see. It is not illegal, but it is uncouth.
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by carolinaeasy on May 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my best friend is *from* Ontario
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by carolinaeasy on May 12, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re way too sensitive (dare I say, Republican?). Ron MacLean and the majority of the HNIC boys love AO. Jim Hughson has nothing but good things to say about him. Yeah, some people don’t like what he does but the vast majority don’t really care. Look what happened when Don Cherry went off on AO’s celebrations (pre-Hot Stick), the vast majority of people disagreed with him. You can keep using the Hot Stick as an example but c’mon, he did it once and I doubt we’ll ever see it again. It’s not a big deal. I’m sure you can’t wait from the day when you don’t have to hear about Boris Valabik’s beanbag, Caps fans feel the same about Hot Stick. Every player has moments they aren’t proud of, your Golden Boy included.
A lot of people love AO precisely because he speaks his mind without caring. How many times have you heard Crosby be criticized for being emotionless and robotic in his pressers? They have two different styles, some people like one, some like the other. It’s not like what AO does is greatly out of line or universally condemned. I don’t even think the quote you picked was damning at all. So what, he says the Pens would have rather closed out that game at home and are probably feeling more down than the Caps are right now. He didn’t say they won or anything. It seems hard to argue with this statement. If Crosby had said “they are probably feeling a little deflated now and we have a lot of energy going home to close this out” you wouldn’t have disagreed or found it uncouth. You’re evaluating the messenger, not the message.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is dirty...
….taking runs at people is not a part of the game that shows class.
I don’t need long paragraphs to prove it. Just watch him on the ice. He has no respect for the game.
Somebody should teach Ovechkin what the word “karma” means in English.
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by Nick7 on May 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see what you want to see. You let your fan interests dictate your conclusions. You think nobody has tried to hit AO? He puts them down and keeps playing his game. So he hits people, you call that taking runs. There are a lot of guys in this league that play that way and most people don’t consider them dirty. He’s got one questionable hit this series and you write him off as dirty and conclude he has no respect for the game. Long paragraphs or short sentences, you can’t prove your point so you’ll just rely on reasserting the same statement. Great manner of debate.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
four instances off the top of my head...
1. Ovechkin took a run at Matt Cooke (right before Cooke’s dumb penalty)
2. Ovechkin took a run at Orpik…the only difference Orpik flattened him
3. Ovechkin and Gonchar
4. Ovechkin on Hall Gill last night
Fehr…one thing I have to admit, I can respect your arguments and points. I think you do a great job being rational. We just have a completely different view on Ovechkin.
I would provide the you tube version of each of these hits where Ovechkin definitely takes more than two or three steps but I cannot get on you tube at work.
FWIW, I think Matt Cooke is a dirty player. He does the same thing as Ovechkin.
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by Nick7 on May 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That hit on Cooke was clean, I remember it clearly. The hit on Orpik I thought was clean and the hit on Gill was clean. The hit on Gooch would have been clean if it didn’t end up being a trip. If Gooch hadn’t seen him coming or tried to hit him back there wouldn’t have been a problem. A LOT of guys in the league take more than 2 strides before hitting guys. I know that technically that’s the rule but so many people violate it that I have a hard time saying someone is a dirty player just on that alone. It’s like traveling in the NBA now, everyone knows 2 steps is the rule but nobody ever gets called unless they go over 3 steps. Cooke is much dirtier than AO. He uses his stick, for one. He hits from behind, for two. And he goes after guys after the whistle (don’t know if any of you caught him taking a run at a Cap right after the Pothier PIM for interference with Staal). I don’t think they are even close to the same level.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please look up the definition of charging
I agree with you on Matt Cooke.
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by Nick7 on May 12, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the hit on Orpik
he took two full strides and then left his feet. Yeah, it was clean…and then there’s the Gonchar hit.
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by CBKWit on May 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cheap shot at Scuderi after the horn was the worst. Scuderi was defenseless and caught offguard with a close range slapper. It looked like retribution
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NHL reviewed it and said that he was “definitely not shooting the puck at him” (paraphrase). Obviously that doesn’t mean that the NHL got it right but that’s the only thing I’ve seen or heard of that incident. If you can find me a youtube clip I’ll take a look myself.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at 4:50 mark (courtesy of Empty Netters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52buKEb4Cm8&feature=player_embeddedby chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that angle looks pretty bad but I think the shot was on net so I’m not convinced he was aiming at Scuderi. I don’t think it’s on par with Alfredson shooting the puck at Niedermayer but I see why Pens fans are pissed.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the whistle had already sounded, thats another unwritten rule ovie has disregarded. sorry ferh but he continues to go down hill in my book. at the start of the series i had an oppen mind and thought the first two games he was brilliant, then we see the on ice shenanigans. when the cpas get behind the guy starts taking runs at people. too much lower and he’ll be right there with tie dome and brad may
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in the library so I didn’t watch with volume but to me it looked like everyone was still playing so I don’t think the whistle had sounded. Scuderi even tries to chase the puck down after it hits him. If he was in fact trying to hit Scuderi that would upset me more than anything else he’s done. I don’t think the Gooch hit was an attempt to injure, I don’t think he hits dirty, so I’m cool with his physical game. Shooting a puck at a player isn’t cool though.
You don’t have to apologize to me, you’re free to disagree. I completely disagree that “he takes runs at people” unless you mean he tries to hit a lot. I don’t see shenanigans but you do. His entire career the two things that bothered me most are the Hot Stick (mild agitation) and shooting the puck at Scuderi (if he wasn’t trying to put it on net). The rest of the stuff I can live with. Most players that play for any period of time have a couple moments that they aren’t proud of, maybe those are his, I don’t know. I just think that if you applied the same standard to Crosby and Malkin as you do to AO you would think much less of them (or maybe if they just changed jerseys). Very few players can play such an intense game and be so physically involved and emotional and not cross a line here or there.
Brad May and Tie Domi? C’mon man, be serious. When has AO dropped a glove an KO’d a defenseman? When did he throw a flying elbow at a star player skating by totally unaware? It’s not even close.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to tell if the hit on Gonchar was dirty. I’ll admit that. There is no question, however, that he was off his feet when he hit Gill last night, and on plenty of other occasions. The angle of the alleged shot at Scuderi is pretty inconclusive also, but I see it as a legitimate reason for the Pens to be a bit chafed.
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by pascaldupweevil on May 12, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the camera angle of the shot…
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by pascaldupweevil on May 12, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair to say that…at least from that video evidence…we disagree also, F&B (at least in terms of the allegation). scuderi is an awful long way away from AO as loads that shot, and it’s definitely in the direction of the net. for anyone to read intent on that play is too big of a jump for me. if it’s a late play, then it’s a late play. but i cannot for the life of me see how that play should ruffle the penguins’ locker room.
by Natty Bumppo on May 12, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when the reporter on the youtube clip talks about the gonchar hit “boiling over the emotions” for the pens, i think that’s a better explanation for why they took offense to the after-the-horn shot….rather than the maliciousness of the play itself.
by Natty Bumppo on May 12, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQhoY-6M9pU” >
yes it was a while ago but…
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
......................................
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a break. First, as you acknowledge, that is real old. Second, the dude was skating head down, through the middle, leading with his head. It would have been tough for AO to get him anywhere and not get his head. That’s not different than Doug Weight on Brandon Suter or the hits Phaneuf throws all the time.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a blatent elbow man. if you cant see that your blind. was the other guy a douche for skating through the nuetral zone with his head down, yeah sure. but why not take the time to actualy use the shoulder like hes supposed to
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must be blind because his elbow is tucked. The guy was so hunched over it would have been pretty tough to get him with his shoulder. I just assumed it was from the WJC that’s why I thought it was so long ago.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you kinda gotta watch it a few times to see the slow mo of his elbow flaring out. my beef is alls he had to do when he came out of the box was take one step towards the middle of the ice and lower his shoulder.
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its pretty clear at the 42-44 sec area of the clip
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not buyin’ it. Thats a slow-mo shot and his elbow barely moves, and it’s after contact. That’s a normal recoil that happens when after contact when you’re bracing yourself.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/sigh
agree to disagree
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and actually it was in 07, not ages ago
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i may not put him THAT low but...he's low
i was madder about his backyard football take down of malkin and shooting pucks at ppl than the gonchar injury.
his kneeing/tripping take down of malkin in game 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRSoefeLS9Q)
3:55 mark got this from thepensblog
ovechkin isnt the dirtiest player out there, and other players (including pens) pull the same shady stuff. but he definitely does enough that you can question his motives when things happen. either that or he just plays recklessly.
by t1mmy10 on May 12, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, chicos_pants, that shot was “the worst” in your mind? worse than the knee-to-knee penalty? maybe this is just a classic example of caps fans using one set of lenses and pens fans using another, but from my perspective that shot was definitely directed towards the net, definitely not at “close range,” and definitely not aimed at scuderi’s head (not to mention, scuderi wasn’t “defenseless,” since he saw the shot all the way and had enough time to brace for it and deflect it to his right.) i think you’re misconstruing the evidence on this one.
if it’s clearly late, the pens have every right to skate over and give him a piece of their minds (as they did) for breaking the code. but to make a federal offense out of it is a little much. again, maybe it’s just the difference of perspectives, but i see zero reason to suggest he was shooting it purposefully at scuderi’s head or trying to take a “cheap shot” at anyone.
by Natty Bumppo on May 12, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the league also said Walker’s sucker punch on Ward was not an actionable offense, even contradicting its own rule about major misconduct under < 5 min mark. I wouldn’t put too much stock in how the league handles discipline. Brashear getting 6 games, Kunitz a minor fine, Ovechkin nothing, Jokinen brutal slash got nothing. I wouldn’t expect any consistency or real justice here.
by chicos_pants on May 12, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I qualified that claim because of that.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the facts are that colin campbell and cornholio choose when they will enforce the rules rather then actually enforcing them all the time. thats the real problem. inside of 5 min and an instagator = suspension, unless of course they are in a good mood then its a 2500 fine and they loose a hotel on park place
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jokinens slash was NOT THAT BAD! it was a slash but he wasnt trying to cut his achilles or anything.
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re way too sensitive (dare I say, Republican?).
thats just harsh man…lol
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are fine with him taunting opponents?
I think that is his biggest flaw. That is the biggest turnoff against him, even more than the questionable hits. When you taunt an opponent you are displaying no respect for yourself, your team, your fans, or your country. It makes you appear little and is really not appropriate in the sport. I am with Don Cherry, there are things that happen in hockey that keep it from being a soccer on ice league, but the more press Ovechkin gets for his childish behavior the worse the sport looks.
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by carolinaeasy on May 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am willing to bet that I watch way more Caps hockey than you do so if this ubiquitous taunting was really going on I would have seen it. The Hot Stick was really the only thing that I thought escalated to the level of taunting. People try to look at every little thing he does and blow it out of proportion. Pens fans got mad that he points to the sky after goals, Rags fans got mad when he did the little hip bump with Backstrom after they won in MSG. I don’t think that stuff is taunting. If you have a specific example I’ll listen.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do watch the games on TV?
They constantly show the shot of the “Chicken”, when he waved dismissively at Crosby earlier this year. He motions to the crowd when he is on the road. You probably do watch a few more games than I do, but I still watch about 20-25 of their games a year thanks to the futileness of the Atlanta Thrashers.
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by carolinaeasy on May 13, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw on Pensblog’s twitter (I know, I know, Twitter is dumb blah blah blah) but they said that Gonchar is practicing today. No link or anything to go with it, just thought I’d pass it along.
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by fetch9 on May 12, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wooo….thanks for the info!
Lets hope we outplay the caps for the 7th time this series and stop those terribly timed penalties we have been committing. I am excited/scared for game 7. I wouldn’t mind losing to Carolina or a team that deserves (potentially) to beat us, but the caps? Come on! Would really be a heart breaker to see the pens knocked out by a team, that is without a doubt, not as good.
by BurtonSB on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The series is going to game 7 and you needed two lucky OT bounces to get there and you think there is an undoubtedly better team in this series?
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no undoubtedly better team. thats why its going 7
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And your in this position because of several "lucky" saves by Varlamov
He hasn’t seen every puck he has stopped, I am sure he was a bit “lucky” there too.
Or a more reasonable approach is this: Varlamov, like the Penguins put themselves in position to make the play and that is why there is a game 7!
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure what your point is. Last I checked, the goalie is part of the team. If our goalie is better than your goalie that is no different than your 3rd line center being better than ours. Both teams have advantages and disadvantages, but as teams they have competed extremely closely and there is no way you can conclude that one team is “without a doubt” better.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 12, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was taking a shot at your claim that we are only here because of luck
Read it again under that assumption and see what you read. Varlamov has gotten lucky, but that is because he put himself in position to be lucky. The same can be said about the Pens when they made those OT goals.
No one was comparing goalies, I don’t know where that came from.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 13, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just pointing out how close the series has been, not saying the Pens are only here because of luck.
by Fehr and Balanced on May 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your assessment as well. The only reason I believe the Pens have a slight advantage at all is the fact that they’ve outshot the Caps each game in the series, but I wouldn’t say the Caps aren’t as good as the Pens. These two teams are extremely evenly matched and it’s sad that this series will come to an end tomorrow night.
by Malsby on May 12, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
just because one team is outshooting another team that doesnt nessecarily mean the later is being out played. you can throw slow pitch soft balls at the net all day and they still count as shots.
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, it is nice to read intelligent comments (even the ones bashing the Caps and AO) about the game for a change. The Yahoo blogs are dreadful, and the posts are much worst. Every once in a while you see a good one amongst 10s of comments full of profanity.
by CapsFan on May 12, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
generally the children stay away from the blogs.
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 12, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergei Gonchar - Pittsburgh folk hero?
If Gonchar suits up and plays, even in a limited role like second PP unit, 7 or 8 game minutes say – and the Pens come out on top, it could end up being a story that Pittsburgh sports fans won’t soon forget.
see also
Bill Mazeroski – to date the only game 7 walk off HR in MLB history 10/13/60;
the Bus – takes a pay cut to stay with the team, two seasons later they ride him to detroit for a Super Bowl victory;
Big shoes, I know, but really, I think that this series might be that historic. It’s exciting. I can’t decide whether or not I even want to watch game 7. I will no matter what, of course…but I might not necessarily want to.
-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.
by pascaldupweevil on May 12, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

















