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Scheduling flub could give Penguins plenty of rest before Finals

If there's ever a series you want to see your team playing at 100% then it's definitely the Stanley Cup Finals.  But there is also a line to draw when it comes down to a battle of rest vs. rust.  This year's Cup run may be the prime example of that.

:James Mirtle over at From the Rink posted something the other day that mentions the expected craziness of the Finals schedule:

Because the Blackhawks won on Friday night, the finals are now guaranteed to start two weeks from now on June 5 regardless of when the conference finals end. Rather than start the finals on May 29 or 30 in the scenario outlined above, the league is set to pause for more than a week, likely only in order to please television execs in the U.S. (and perhaps avoid head-to-head matchups with the NBA playoffs which will apparently end earlier).

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June 5.  So if the Penguins complete the sweep Tuesday night and win in Carolina then Game 1 of the Finals is 10 full days away. 

It goes without saying that guys like Sergei Gonchar could use the rest.  The same could probably be said about a few other guys on the roster fighting through various injuries.  But 10 days? 

Another area of concern is the days off in between once the series does start.  This Carolina series has been an exception to the game-every-other-day series we've seen for most of the playoffs.  As it is the Penguins have today AND tomorrow off before they play again, after just having played two games in three days.  In the case of the Finals, a Game 7, should it be necessary, will play on June 15.  Just to make that entirely clear, the Finals will start on June 5 and end no later than June 15.  An every-other-day schedule would have that ending on June 17.  Does this mean we can expect back-to-back games in the Finals?  Yes.  Somewhere.

Edit: Just found this on Puck Daddy regarding back-to-back games in the Finals:

Games One and Two of the Stanley Cup will be played on back-to-back nights, June 5 and 6. Like Cole points out, should the NHL schedule the remaining five games every second day, Game Seven could fall on June 16th, one day after the League's drop dead date of ending the season of June 15th. So, would that mean two sets of back-to-back games in the Cup finals to meet the NHL's planned end date?

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No, I don't think we should draw this current series out longer than it has to just so the team isn't sitting around for 10 days. But I have to ask - is this scenario leading the Pens into a potential trap of too much rest?

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on the other hand

We’ll see this afternoon if the Wings get the split in Chicago. If they can, they’ll likely win their series in 5. Assuming the Pens win in 4 or 5, it kind of seems like both teams would have to deal with the effects of lots of rest, and that it might cancel itself out.

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by holiday park on May 24, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

True, but I think I’m also more concerned with the back-to-back games in the Finals. There’s even a chance they’ll have to do that twice. It’s ridiculous. I know it effects both teams but there’s no reason for that in the Finals when you didn’t have it in the East/West Conference games.

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by FrankD on May 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if...

The potential Finals were against teams in cities much further away from each other?

With Games 1 & 2 set for a back to back, you know that they would be in the same city. I can only assume the other back-to-backs would be Games 3 and 4.

What if the Finals were Anaheim-Boston or something ridiculous like that. The travel would have been even more absurd.

by lost_zero on May 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean, like Ottawa-Anaheim in 2007? Or Vancouver-New York in 1994? Or Los Angeles-Montreal in 1993?

To me, this falls into the “you get paid to play sports for a living, suck it up” category.

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by holiday park on May 24, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, acually I don't.

I’m talking about playing games in back-to-back nights in different cities.

In this case, you would either have to play back-to-back nights in different cities or you would play 4 games in 5 nights for Games 1-4.

Now, though, it looks like the June 15th date is not the drop-dead date originally assumed.

by lost_zero on May 25, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vancouver didn’t fare well after a long rest. I wouldn’t want it to take away the momentum, but agree that both teams will have to deal with it so cancels each other out, maybe one a bit longer though. Back to backs… somebody hand me a whiteboard with some markers and I reckon I could have figured it out to please everyone better.

by AngelaMc on May 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the long-travel factor is what makes this tough. Vancouver is really, really far from both St. Louis and Chicago. Pittsburgh and Detroit are 4 hours apart by car.

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by holiday park on May 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could work out in the Penguins favour, especially if the Western Conference Final turns out to be as long and drawn out an affair as the Chicago Blackhawks seem intent on making it. I think the Red Wings are the most likely of the two teams to come out of the West, but depending on how many games the ‘Hawks force the series to, the amount of rest Detroit gets compared to the winner of the ECF (which will most likely be the Penguins in anywhere from four to seven games, as the Hurricanes would have to win four straight games to advance on to the Stanley Cup Final, a feat that has only been accomplished three times in the history of professional North American sports) could hugely factor into the Wings’ performance in the Cup round. To put it delicately, the Red Wings are most certainly not getting any younger, and the physically punishing seven game series they played against Anaheim and the challenging task of keeping up with the young, quick Blackhawks would be enough to tax any team, let alone one with such a veteran-heavy roster. Add to that the fact that the Wings have hardly played their best hockey these past few games, regardless of what the television analysts may say (the rate at which they turned over over the puck for much of Game 3 was pretty much appalling for a team that supposedly prides itself on its defensive prowess) in addition to past and present injuries to important core players like Brian Rafalski and Pavel Datsyuk and the relatively uninspired performances by players like Henrik Zetterberg and Marian Hossa this playoff season, not to mention the unparalleled ability of Chris Osgood to go from relatively extraordinary to a complete and total goat in less than a second, a lack of time to rest and regroup before taking on a hungry Penguins team hell-bent on proving that they are not the same team that was so in awe of Detroit mystique last year that they rolled over and forgot to play Games 1 & 2, a rookie error by a young team that cost them any chance they may have had to take out Detroit, could spell trouble for the Red Wings. I’ll be watching closely, and you know I can’t wait to see the outcome. It would be nice to see the Penguins become the first Eastern Conference team to beat the Red Wings for the Cup since my Devils swept them back in ’95. Go Pens! You can do it! I have faith in you!

by kellyn on May 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point. All the more reason to push for Chicago to make it to seven. Personally I’d love to see a Detroit/Pitt rematch but I’d accept Chicago all the same.

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by FrankD on May 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats the schedule they put out for the finals

Fri., 6/5/09 8:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 1 NBC
Sat., 6/6/09 8:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 2 NBC
Mon., 6/8/09 8:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 3 Versus
Wed., 6/10/09 8:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 4 Versus
Fri., 6/12/09 8:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 5* NBC
Sun., 6/14/09 5:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 6* NBC
Tue., 6/16/09 8:00 PM Stanley Cup Finals, Game 7* NBC

no clue why they decided to show this before the series were close to being decided. wonderful nhl management

by t1mmy10 on May 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Sweet. It’s almost as if they know I won’t be around on Saturday the 13th and scheduled accordingly. I appreciate that NHL. Thanks.

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by FrankD on May 24, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that the NHL needs to get the NBC games on the designated weekend days.

I think what they should have done, instead of locking NBC into Games 1 and 2 was just to give them the games on the weekend. That way they could have a Friday night + Saturday or Sunday game that they want, but the games could start earlier in the week (like Game 1 on Monday June 1, Game 2 on Wed 6/3).

They need to just get it over with. It’s a joke how they have the schedule this year.

by Hooks Orpik on May 24, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Strange....last year's SCF ended on June 4th?

Were last year’s early rounds just all ending early (in 4 or 5, vs the three game 7s in round 2), or was there a conscious effort by the NHL to extended a winter game within 4 or 5 days of the official beginning of summer?

by ahtrap on May 24, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I remember that distinctly because I was starting a new job at the time and the guy who hired me knew I was a Pittsburgh fan. It was his suggestion that I start after the Finals. I’ll always remember that.

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by FrankD on May 24, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming that Det and Pitt finish off their respective series and revisit last year’s SCF…I’m kind of glad of the potential of the big layoff.

I was scared of Cam Ward, but the Pens have completely humanized him, and more than that, they’re firing on all cylinders. After the past couple of days, I think Malkin could use a week off to remember that he is, in fact, human….well, maybe not until after he finishes off the Canes….

by ahtrap on May 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

NBC blackout

With NBC greedily preventing Pen’s Fans from watching the games outside, for whatever lame reason they come up with, how about this?
The first games on NBC are Friday and Saturday Nights, June 5th and 6th so NBC can show reruns of "My Mother The Car" and "The San Pedro Beach Bums"to help their ratings.
Since the (NBC) games are broadcast "over the air", free…I wonder how much fun it would be to have a tailgate party outside the arena those nights from, maybe 7 til 11? Hamburgers , Hot dogs, comfy chairs…battery powered portable TVs tuned to Channel 11…
As far as legality goes, I’d imagine the arena would be allowed to have a “party” on their property and if some decided to bring 50 or 60 battery powered TVs, what could be the harm?
Anyone?

by John Carter on May 24, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think today makes the picture a bit clearer: Chicago had the look of a psychologically beaten team today, much like Carolina did last night. I see both these series ending quickly, and both teams having the long layoff.

At this point in the season, everyone is nursing injuries in some form. It’s a little more explicit with Detroit (Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Draper didn’t play today), but I’m sure Gonchar and others will benefit from the rest as well.

As far as rust or “too much rest”, Detroit and Pittsburgh are veteran teams. Either you know how to execute in big games or you don’t. And given how both teams have taken care of business this postseason I don’t see either one having a problem with it.

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by holiday park on May 24, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that’s also the interesting part about the Finals schedule. You have all this time off to rest up but you better get the most of it because once the thing kicks off the NHL will be getting the most out of both teams over 10 days. I guess in the long run it doesn’t help either team more, although I will agree with Kellyn’s comments above that if anything Pitt comes out with a slight edge.

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by FrankD on May 24, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can argue it either way for the players

but from the fans stand point, worst case scenario there will be a NINE day gap between between this round and the last round. pretty absurd when the players are capable of playing almost consistently every other day.

i guess if the pens or wings lose a game, it’ll be a week or 6 days (depending which team loses) and that won’t be quite as bad.

by t1mmy10 on May 24, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember, before National Television contracts – games 1 and 2, and games 3 and 4 were always back to back with a travel day in the middle. That changed somewhere in the 1990’s so the NHL could have Sportschannel America {remember them} show games every night. The CBC always had a Saturday night game or two, and American TV would show someone on Sunday.

Now, with national contracts in the States with Versus and NBC, and the CBC basically calling the shots in Canada – pretty much with no Canadian teams in the last two rounds, the NHL is catering more to NBC since they know you could put a NHL Stanley Cup game on at 10:00am in Canada and people will stop what they are doing and watch it. Of course, this happened with NBC in the first two rounds, with games starting at 9:00am on the West Coast, but that’s another argument for elsewhere.

Let’s face it, TV calls the shots and the game times. Whatever NBC wants, they get.

It will be up to the NHL to keep up the hype factor in the gap. We’ll see what happens. Pens and Wings, here we come!

by spiker97 on May 24, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Just saw this on ESPN
According to multiple sources, if the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings can wrap up their respective Conference final series by Wednesday night, the Stanley Cup finals likely would start on Saturday, May 30 in Detroit. In this scenario, Game 2 would be played on Sunday, May 31.

NHL May Bump Up Cup Finals Start Date

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by amandakt on May 24, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

and still keep the back to back games. im sorry but the fact is the nhl schedulers are inbred

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by oldtimehockey09 on May 25, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we can play June 4th or back to back first games all because NBC is worried about sweeps week and the re-launch of the Tonight Show. Isn’t ther anything in their contract with them about scheduling and ruining the playoffs like this. I’m sure versus would cancel bull riding for more games.

by JasonGoPens on May 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed, this is shenanigans. playing back to back in the middle of the season is tough enough. never mind the fact that this IS the finals and we are a little over 100 games into the season. it aint baseball where theres no contact. its the stanley cup for gods sake, go every other night

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by oldtimehockey09 on May 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

waiting a week and a half to see the first SCF game could lose a lot of the seasonal fans that are only watching because of all the hype so far this postseason. ALL THE HYPE that the NHL worked so hard to muster.

that will teach them to make bedfellows with television stations. especially NBC!

by AZpenzFan on May 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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