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CROSBY SUCKS! CROSBY SUCKS!

 

You know, I started scribbling this post on like three different occasions, was gonna make a total joke out of it, like, “This is me shifting into enemy mode!” and all that, complete with nicknames (Fedestink-o!), and eventually ended up canning the idea in favor of, well, whatever the rest of this post becomes.

 

And it isn’t because of any respect for you guys, cuz how much respect can you have for a bunch of militant pengweeners (cookie for whoever gets the reference)…actually, it’s all about that, I do appreciate your letting me hang around Frank, both in the first place as a hostile, and then over the course of the season, and your thoughts, along with those of Hooks and JDunman (send out an APB!), and the rest of the clowns populating this site became a must read daily stop for me.

 

Frankly, start or middle of this season, I, nor most of you, saw this rematch coming. When the Pens traded for Guerin, I started calling him third round immediately, because I figured he’dhelp get you past the first round, NO MATTER WHO YOU PLAYED, and I figured that the Pens had a ceiling of the ECF. I also was scared of Cam Ward and Carolina going into the playoffs, and, well, you saw how that turned out.

 

So, what I’m about to predict might just be homeristic blowhardiness. There’s always some of that on both sides of the equation. But then again, I hope I’ve proven not-clueless enough for this analysis to merit a nanosecond of actual thought, and not just a knee jerk “but what about this, you’re WRONG!’ reaction.

 

Star-divide

Bettman’s baby boy Cindy ain’t gonna win a cup this year!

(Umm…err..woops, that’s the frenemy post I wanted to scribble coming out again….let’s try that again…)

 

There’s been a lot of focus on how much the Pens have improved, and whether that will be enough to overcome the perceived talent advantage of the Red Wings. Some Pens fans say (using a BS strawman frame, which I usually hate, so I’m calling myself out on it), sure, we lost Hossa, BUT THAT JUST MEANS OUR WHOLE TEAM WILL BE GUNNING FOR HIM! WOOOO! Except, as Malsby points out in his excellent frontpaged post, a significant portion of the current Pens weren’t there last year. For those who were, maybe they get the idea that when you rent a player, there’s a chance that player will walk, witness the Milwaukee Brewers and CC Sabathia last year. Perhaps, in comparison to that situation, there are players in that locker room who don’t look askance at a guy foregoing the biggest money (Sabathia going to the Yankees) to take a shot where he thinks he’s got the best chance for a Cup.

 

Put it this way, I’m of the opinion that the Pens vs Hossa hype is overblown, and while each would love the chance to show that the other is wrong, it’s a side issue to the circus that is the SCF.

 

If the Pens are gonna win, Detroit injuries will play a role. Last year, Detroit cruised to an easy victory (the Pens taking it to the 6th game notwithstanding) in large part because Sid was hurt and Geno hit the wall. This year, it’s the Pens that are largely intact, with Gonchar’s knee perhaps equal to Franzen’s concussion issue from last year, and it’s Detroit that are the walking wounded going into the Finals. I mean, at this point, who know what a “lower body injury” means? Did Lidstrom take a puck to the groin at any point of the ECF game 3? But not knowing how well Lidstrom or Datsyuk are going to play…or not being able to count on their usual, high level performances, anyway, should give every Red Wings fan pause.

 

More than that, however, the Pens hopes will rise because they’ve been here before, and they’ve seen close at hand what it takes to win the Stanley Cup. Last year, it was being done to them, and Pens fans have to hope that they take those lessons learned, and use them against the teachers from last year. Add to that the change in guiding philosophies, from Therrien’s tighter styles, to Bylsma’s more aggressive, more attacking hockey, which better fits the personnel the Pens have, including the 2 stars, and the Pens overall product at this point of the playoffs is better than what they had going into the SCF last year. I’d even argue the product is significantly improved, for reasons pointed out in other posts on this site.

 

The question, then, as everyone seems to acknowledge, is whether it’s enough to overcome the Red Wings, still the acknowledged masters. As are the Pens more experienced, so too are the Red Wings. And I’m not talking about the old goats, the Lidstroms or the Drapers of the world. I’m not even talking about the middle aged (for hockey) stars and superstars, the likes of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstrom, but rather the depth of the Red Wings, the still in their 20s types like Filpula and Stuart (actually, I just realized I have no idea what age Brad Stuart is) and the gang, including Darren Helm who put on an absolute clinic on the penalty kill against the Hawks on Wednesday before burying the WCF winning goals. This is a kid who has ZERO regular season goals, and now 5 career playoff goals. He’s not on your radars, and yet, he’s going to be an important part of the equation over the next week and change. The time he gets on the ice will necessary fall if Draper and Datsyuk come back healthy, but when he’s out there, Helm is a speed demon and an enthusiastic, if not particularly huge hitter, and as shown Wednesday, he can light the lamp, too. When one of you guys cite Satan as a reason the Pens can win, I mentally cancel him out with Darren Helm.

 

I go on at length about Helm because he’s a perfect example of the still unparalleled depth the Wings bring to this party, another facet of which becomes clear when you consider that in the WCF, Dan Cleary was the leading goal scorer for the Red Wings. In the course of a year, this guy has gone from a pretty decent trivia answer (First guy from Newfoundland to get his name on the Cup) to a player who’s contributing big goals at opportune times. This binge in the WCF actually started at the end of the Anaheim series, when he was credited/did the dirty work (no matter what you think of the goal (shoulda been waived, but I’ll take it! Especially after the Hossa non goal stolen (by Brad Watson blowing the whistle) earlier in the series) do I have enough parentheses in this sentence? No? How about one more!) to score the series clincher against the Ducks.

 

I definitely agree with whoever it was on this site that posited that the series will ultimately come down to the winner between the Pens aggression game vs the Wings possession game. But there are enough peripheral pieces in the Wings arsenal to disturb that neat little formula, enough so that I think we might be in for a repeat performance of last year’s end result. I foresee the Red Wings, much to your chagrin, once again parading around the ice at Mellon Arena, holding aloft Lord Stanley’s Cup, having finished the Pens in 6 games.

 

This is thoroughly a guess, but I see the Pens taking game 1, the Red Wings striking back in games 2 and 3, Pens evening things out at Mellon in 4, before the Red Wings taking care of business at home for game 5, and finishing the season in Pittsburgh.  Since this is precisely how I predicted the WCF to go, pardon me for hoping a similar series takes place in the SCF….

 

All that said, I’ve been able to argue for a Wings win in 7, or a Pens win in 7, too. Frankly, I’ve been able to convince myself that the Pens could win in 6, but as we’ve seen so far these playoffs, the Pens don’t seem to have that home ice closeout in them this year, so if Pittsburgh is going to win, it’ll be in 5 or 7 at JLA. Since I haven’t been able to convince myself of the 5 game scenario, either way, if the Pens win, it’ll have to be a game 7….

 

Have at it, droogies.

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Crosby Sucks….it really bothers Sid when you chant Crosby Sucks!

If you don’t believe me, ask any Philly fan!

Should be a great series between the two best teams in hockey. Best of luck to the Red Wings and their fans…you will need it because there is a new dynasty about to begin in the NHL…the flightless birds are about to SOAR!

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on May 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and by the way...

…..Michigan sucks! (in case you are a wolverine fan)

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on May 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LLLLLLLEEEEEEETTTTTTSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOUNTAINEEEEEERRRRRRRRSSSS

go eers baby

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on May 29, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go UW-Parkside Rangers!

Now that will confuse people for the rest of the day.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.

by Lavender on May 30, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who? UW? university of wisconcin? is that even a real state or just a place to take up map space

:D

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on May 30, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we’ve been contemplating, in Wisconsin, declaring war with Michigan over the Upper Peninsula…

It’s the “Battle for Lake Superiority.”

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by Lavender on May 30, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say chop off the upper peninsula and/or drown it, in turn renaming it the “Superior Michigan/Wisconsin Lake of Superiority.”

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by FrankD on May 30, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could recall it Upper Peninsula-land, or Italy’s Retarded Landforming Cousin.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.

by Lavender on May 30, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

love how our discussions here can decend into obsurdity. this is great

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on May 30, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but..

What you call absurdity I call Geography.

Now that I think of it, I fail to see a difference.

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by Lavender on May 30, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don’t think the UP has any idea they belong to Michigan, or to the US for that matter.

The people I knew from the UP thought Charlton Heston was President and were at war with at least 4 different countries.

Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?

by Phantaskippy on May 30, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just know the U.P. through Duane Gay’s story of an columnist for the Iron Mountain Daily News reporting on the ice fishing beat, as told on Bob and Brian.

It’s beyond epic. Wish I could upload the mp3 from that CD.

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by Lavender on May 30, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it me

or does it look like Wisconsin has a stiffy for Michigan?

by JazzyBBP on May 30, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, that ‘Italy’s Retarded Landforming Cousin’ has a nice ring to it.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.

by Lavender on May 30, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.

Mitten’s pointed in the wrong direction.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on May 30, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, it’s got its own thing going for Canada

by ahtrap on May 30, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off I thank you for taking the role of an actual reader and user over the past 365 days rather than that of a Detroit troll. I’ve enjoyed your contributions, despite obvious and understandable allegiance to your Wings.

With that said…

Darren Helm was downright insane on that PK in Game 5. Controlling the puck, ducking the check from Campbell and I think even putting a shot on net. He’s on my radar for sure and I wouldn’t doubt Pitt is looking at that video too.

I’m not predicting this series ending in anything less than 6. And I think you know who I think is gonna take the series too…

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by FrankD on May 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Detroit troll here

I only recently found SB Nation when it started appearing on Yahoo! sports. I’ve become addicted.
The Pens are an excellent team, but of course I’m going to choose the Wings in 7. If the Wings lose the series, I’ll stop by for a congradulatory comment. If they win, I’ll stop by for a great series comment. Are you guys cool with a fan of the opponent with poor spelling/writing skills hanging out in GDT? I’m only asking because at Second City hockey the were fine with it for 1 game but not the next. If not, it’s all good

by JazzyBBP on May 29, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeha man we’ve been pretty open with fans of the other team stopping by and commenting as long as they contribute something to the comments. I can see already that you will more than likely add something to the talks here so I’m not worried. The more the merrier (unless we’re talking in terms of Detroit wins).

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by FrankD on May 29, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the most un-trolling comment I’ve ever heard of :)

Most of us here have done handshaking after series, like the Canes one. Just good comradeship between fans of one of the best sports, period. So, we’ll be in for a great series for the Cup, and, win or lose, I’ll commend my opposition.

And I was a bystander/viewer of Second City to Winging It In Motown, whom I did some Eastern Conference write-ups for, and it was kind of childish after the Havlat hit, but it’s a close quarters rivalry. Can’t expect too many cheerful things, as known through a Brewers Cubs rivalry.

You’d be welcome for sure.

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by Lavender on May 29, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah no crap. we welcome contructive convo and good debate. just as long as both sides are open minded. good luck this series…

u gonna need it :P

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on May 29, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was surprised it remained as civil as it did, I lived in Chicago and have seen people get fired for punching it out during the Sox/cubs series. They get crazy like Stiller fans up there.

But then the Philly series stayed remarkably civil and I can’t think of one good thing about Philly.

Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?

by Phantaskippy on May 30, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheese steak is something good in Philly. So I’m told.

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by Lavender on May 30, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, it’s nothing to write home about. But I’ve also never been crazy with Primanti Bros. in Pitt either.

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by FrankD on May 30, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You gotta get the Capicola and cheese, and add an egg. then put the red devil sauce on it. Also go downtown, don’t go to the Suburbs ones, they are just not quite as good.

As for the Cheesesteak, every “proper” one I’ve been told to eat involved more grease than anything else. It was awful. Maybe my friends were ill-informed, but yikes, a bag of grease is not my idea of a good time.

Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?

by Phantaskippy on May 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can already tell

The quality of posters on this blog are infinitely better than the craptastic-egotistical-basement-dwelling preteens that inhabit the Espn boards.

It feels good having REAL hockey discussions on the internet for once.

by Hockey Beard in SLC on May 29, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The quality of posters on this blog are infinitely better than the craptastic-egotistical-basement-dwelling preteens that inhabit the Espn boards.

thats why i dont even read those boards. its all a bunch of inbred kids with cleft pallette syndrome

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on May 29, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is why I stopped (almost) posting on the “Puck Daddy” boards….and can agree with the comments on being civil with opposing fans…..if ya had not seen my sig yet!

by lrcaniac on May 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehehehe

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on May 30, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well when the average IQ seems like it is in the low 50’s there……so I started looking elsewhere,and found a home here in the SB Nation were everyone acts like humans not trolls.

by lrcaniac on May 30, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They may pop up from time to time on here but they tend to filter themselves out.

Welcome, btw, to Pensburgh. Always happy to see a new fan stopping by.

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by FrankD on May 29, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was the point

and I’ve never claimed any actual writing skills :)

by ahtrap on May 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least you are honest!

by lrcaniac on May 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby sucks comes out of jelousy, when i hear someone say crosby sucks my brain translates that into i wish we had crosby.

by JasonGoPens on Jun 1, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much how when Chicago fans yell Detroit sucks

it really translates to “I wish we were red wings fans”

by ahtrap on Jun 1, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it’s worth, I am guilty of partaking in the chant, and believe me when I say I do not wish we had Crosby. At all. Malkin, MAF, Staal, Goligoski, and a few others I wish we had. (Especially Staal) But not Crosby. It’s the same reason I would never want Jose Reyes on my team. Yeah, they’re good, but I want a different player type and personality type on my team. And yes, I would love a team full of Chase Utley’s and Mike Richards’, but like I said, I would also love a team full of Jordan Staal’s and Ben Roethlisberger’s. Just not Sidney.

by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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