"You want instant retribution. You want a big hit, catch him with his head down, knock him out across the middle, something like that. But it doesn't do you any good. That's your first snap thought, but after a couple seconds you calm yourself down and you realize the best place to hurt them is on the scoreboard."
Rob Scuderi, perhaps acting as the voice of reason following Alex Ovechkin's knee-to-knee hit on Sergei Gonchar
about 3 years ago
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Scuderi is right, but.....
Personally I would like to see someone hurt Ovechclown bad, real bad, because he is always on the ice trying to hurt someone. I would like to see someone hurt him before he cripples someone else.
Again, scoring a lot of goals doesnt preclude someone from being a goon and Ocechclown is as dirty a player as the league has seen in a long time.
In fact he is SO dirty a player that long after his skills fade and he cant score anymore, he will STILL ba able to start in Philadelphia.
There isn’t a rational word in that entire comment. And the idea that AO is out there on the ice “always” trying to hurt someone is ridiculous. Shouldn’t you be on Pensblog? Maybe you could scribble poop on other arenas or players?
Look at the replay. There was no intent to injure on the play. Ovechkin didn’t stick his leg or his knee out toward Gonchar. He didn’t go out of his way to make contact. Gonchar made an awkward play, turned in an awkward direction, saw AO coming at the last minute and tried to jump out of the way. That’s what left his leg exposed. If Gonchar just takes the hit there, no big deal.
Ovechkin takes runs at players.
Game 3 he tried to get Orpik. This time he got Gonchar on the knee.
Ovechkin’s a physical player that hunts for hits. Controversy is going to follow when he connects knee-to-knee.
Controversy will follow, yes. And as you aptly noted when you hit a lot you are bound to get caught in the gray area. Tyler (I believe) was responding to the outrageous claims that a) injuring people is AO’s primary purpose and b) that someone should try to injure AO “bad.” The hit deserved a PIM, but not a suspension and not vigilante justice.
BS, why don’t you go type this tripe on Pensblog yourself and while your at it quit bashing Pens Blogs. There is no need to trash any Penguins blogs. It is clear that Ocho stuck his knee out at the last second. I don’t think he was trying to hurt Sarge, but don’t come here and BS about it being Gonchar’s fault for not taking a hit.
A) He’s not bashing all Pens Blogs. He’s saying go post that crap on PensBlog because of their childish fanboy reputation (not making a claim about them as people). If you want to make comments that just hate on AO, then there is a good place to do it. If you want to have a rational discussion about hockey, this is the place to be.
B) I don’t think he “blamed” Gooch for not taking the hit, he’s just saying that if not for Gooch ducking the hit there is no issue. AO didn’t have his leg in such a way that only his leg could get Gooch. His shoulder was in position to get him too but Gooch got his upper body out of the way and not his legs. Hence the knee-on-knee.
your so full of crap its not even funny. everyone knows he takes runs at players, frequently charge. and had he connected with the knee he stuck out to malkin last night it would have been two pens down. STFU and go back to that armpit called dc you homer
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see what making fun of DC accomplishes. What does the city have to do with it? And are you even sure he lives anywhere near DC? They have the internet in Western PA so I’m sure they’ve got it in other parts of America as well.
Look at the replay. There was no intent to injure on the play. Ovechkin didn’t stick his leg or his knee out toward Gonchar. He didn’t go out of his way to make contact. Gonchar made an awkward play, turned in an awkward direction, saw AO coming at the last minute and tried to jump out of the way. That’s what left his leg exposed. If Gonchar just takes the hit there, no big deal
that is an insane comment. didnt go out of his way to make contact..hm…
rather then coming up with a valid fommen like you ferh, he starts by spouting off homeresk comments like that.
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
comment oopsie spell check fail there
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Alexander Ovechkin is probably one of the dirtiest hitters in the NHL. When he isn’t leaving his feet before making contact (which is charging, and a penalty), he is hitting someone from behind into the boards or leading with his elbow. But because Ovechkin is supposedly the ‘most exciting’ player in the NHL and scores over fifty goals a season, the league has made attempts to correct his dangerous on-ice behaviour through disciplinary action, paving the way for incidents such as what took place last night. If it had been Matt Cooke who had hit Jamie Heward into the boards from behind a few months ago (a hit for which Ovechkin wasn’t even penalized for on the ice) giving him or made knee-on-knee contact during a hit, regardless of whether it was accidental or not (and in Ovechkin’s case I don’t believe it was accidental), they would have kicked his rear out of the game and suspended for the rest of the playoffs. The fact that Ovechkin has injured another player because he is incapable of hitting cleanly and will face absolutely no consequences for his reckless actions is as sickening as listening to people actually try to justify his behaviour in an attempt to paint him as anything other than the cheap, dirty player he is.
The TBL players said they didn’t think the hit on Heward was dirty, so get over it. He came at Heward from an awkward angle and Heward turned. It was ugly but nobody on TBL even claimed he was trying to injure him. (And just like Gooch AO has a real good personal relationship with Heward from his days in DC.)
I can’t think of any elbows or blatant hits from behind. Yeah, he charges on occasion but he’s not the only one. You can’t even begin to compare AO to Cooke. Cooke has been one of the dirtiest guys in the league for some time. He brings very little to the game and he’s a neck-breaking hit from behind waiting to happen.
Look at the replay. There was no intent to injure on the play. Ovechkin didn’t stick his leg or his knee out toward Gonchar.
I disagree.
I do not think AO is a headhunter but is overly emotional and careless. He did stick his leg out to clip him. You decide on the intent.
we all watched it about 3 or 4 times. hell i watched it 5 times without running it slow…lead with his knee…again go back to dc homer
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, DC has nothing to do with it. If Gooch is upright in that picture then we aren’t even talking about a knee-on-knee. Then you guys would just be whining about another charge or some crap. It’s unfortunate that it happened and AO deserved and got a PIM but to turn this into a situation where AO was out there trying to hurt someone is just not accurate.
it was a dirty play. the pim issued was a gabage call by a garbage ref. the ref is the same guy who blew the early whistle in the redwings game three tying goal late. i dont think there would be as much of an uproar had he gotten a 5min major and game mis…either way a 5min major should have been issued
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If you can explain the difference between Hartnell on Letang and AO on Gonchar, and why you weren’t calling for a 5 minute plus a suspension on Hartnell but are here, (Outside of the three differences 1) Gonchar; 2) AO; 3) Injury) your argument loses credibility. A dirty hit is a dirty hit, yet this time you want more because it’s AO and Gonchar, not Hartnell and Letang.
by Geoff Detweiler on May 9, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hartnells hit was more of a trip then anything else. it was blatant and dirty but as i said on the other thread i hadnt seen the hit. to me the hartnell hit was more mehhh then anything else. could letang have gotten injured? yes if something freakish were to happen there like his ankle breaks. however knee to knee hits someone always gets hurt
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Knee on knee hits don’t always hurt someone, just like hits from behind and hits to the head don’t always hurt someone. They should all be heavily penalized because of the potential to hurt, not because any of them always do it. I don’t know why this is the first example that comes to mind but in the Memorial Cup last year Mikkel Boedker took a brutal knee on knee hit. He limped off the ice then finished the game in stud fashion, scoring (I think) 2 beautiful goals. Shagg’s example of Hartnell on Letang is the same thing. Letang could have been badly hurt, but wasn’t.
I’m not sure I agree entirely with Scuderi here. An open-ice bodycheck has the same series-altering potential as a a big goal or save. Brian Campbell’s hit on RJ Umberger during the ‘06 playoffs, Scott Stevens’ hits on Slava Kozlov, Eric Lindros and Paul Kariya….But whatever. Scuderi’s level-headed approach is probably best is this situation, especially when one considers that if an unglamorous banger like Brooks Orpik took out Ovechkin he would probably be suspended for all eternity, even if it was a clean hit on a hockey play.
CBC had four angles of the hit...
…in three of them it didn’t look like he was deliberately trying to hurt Gonchar, only slow him down and interfere. In the 4th, it looks like he was aiming for the knee….
I will ask this though, if AO is looking to hurt someone to impact the series, why did he go after Gonchar as opposed to the player causing the most damage for the Pens, i.e. Crosby? And if he was going to injure him deliberately, there are safer ways than a knee-on-knee….
Ovechkin is reckless and careless… he is not trying to deliberately hurt someone out there.
Let's go Caps!
I will ask this though, if AO is looking to hurt someone to impact the series, why did he go after Gonchar as opposed to the player causing the most damage for the Pens, i.e. Crosby? And if he was going to injure him deliberately, there are safer ways than a knee-on-knee….
look at our power play for the rest of the game. he is the most senior pen. its kind of like a sniper hunting officers. as far as leadership on the pens it does:
sid
geno
gonch
guerin
Yeah, I agree Gonchar is probably the third or fourth most important player on your team. The Flyers singled him out just like you singled out Timonen. Of course he’s a great target because of his importance. However… your PP hasn’t impressed me this year (With that much talent, seriously!) so looking at the PP after he was out isn’t a great analogy. I will say, however, that across the league PP numbers are down. So maybe your PP is good comparatively, but on the whole, it couldn’t do anything against Philly.
by Geoff Detweiler on May 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree
the last two games it came alive. when out g it was lost, confused and all around disorginized
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
In the Caps series? I’ll take your word because I haven’t really been watching that nearly as closely as the first round. I know it’s a huge loss, even if the PP wasn’t clicking. That just makes it worse for you guys that it was.
by Geoff Detweiler on May 9, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we looked much better then in the flyers series on the pp.
by oldtimehockey09 on May 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying Ovechclown is “careless and reckless” makes it ok ?
It is BS, no excuse for intentionally trying to injure another player. Fool and unBalanced and the other Caps fans want to believe ( or say they believe ) that number 8 just plays hard. When the truth is that he is as much a goon as anyone playing today. Scoring a hundred goals a year isnt going to change that. And another truth is that anyone else in the league would have been suspended for what he did.
As far as “why did he target Gonchar ?” I dont believe he did. Gonchar was just available, most of Ovechclowns dirty hits are in that general area, behind the net. He probably had no idea who he wa lining up, just a Pens uniform.
Just another cement head who can score, he’ll get his scoring titles and his MVPs. But he’ll never skate around the ice with the Cup .
Yes, Alex Ovechkin is as much of a goon as Sean Avery. Yes, Scott Hartnell got suspended for doing the exact same thing. And of course he had no idea that he was hitting the best defenseman on the Penguins. And he’s just another cement head, scoring as many goals in a year as Steve Yzerman, Mike Bossy, Luc Robitaille, and Jaromir Jagr. You are right.
by Geoff Detweiler on May 10, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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