Thanking a couple departed guys who left their imprint on the championship
Turnover in hockey is something you deal with. We all see the players come and go but it's the same for coaches, trainers, managers and scouts. Three men imparticular left their imprint on the Pittsburgh Penguins and even though things went sour and they were let go, they still deserve credit.
Michel Therrien
You knew this one was coming. When Therrien arrived in Pittsburgh on December 15th 2005 the team organizationally was a mess. The players, including player/owner Mario Lemieux, had slipped into lax habits and were extremely weak defensively. Though talented and positioned well for the post-lockout rule changes, there wasn't discipline. And boy did that change in a hurry. Therrien installed strict systems and was demanding of his player's best efforts, something unseen in the "country club mentality".
In his first full season in 2006-07 Therrien presided over one of the best season turnarounds in NHL history. And then, of course, the Penguins were two wins away from winning the Cup in 2008. Therrien's methods and limits had it's drawbacks and it became apparent he had run his course of usefulness to the team.
During the final two games of the 2009 Stanley Cup finals the Penguins had to cling to slim leads against the Red Wings. And some of the systems and skills they showed were direct carryovers from the Therrien era.
Craig Patrick and Greg Malone
If you think about it, what Craig Patrick did in 2005 wasn't too different then what Ray Shero did in 2008/09. They both signed offensive European wingers (Zigmund Palffy and Miroslav Satan). They brought in American power-forwards at the tail end of their careers (John LeClair and Bill Guerin). They fired their NHL head coach and brought up the Wilkes-Barre head coach to lead Pittsburgh. Patrick's moves didn't work out, maybe because guys like Marc-Andre Fleury, Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin weren't around and experienced enough to weather the storm if they went sour.
While Patrick and his chief scout Malone did select all of the Pens young core players (save Jordan Staal) most of those #1 or #2 overall picks were no-brainers. The more impressive legacy the two left are the gems they found later in the draft that the Penguins organization developed into key cogs of a championship team. Consider the following Patrick/Malone selections:
Rob Scuderi - drafted 134th overall (5th round) in 1998
Brooks Orpik - drafted 18th overall (1st round) in 2000
Maxime Talbot - drafted 234th overall (8th round) in 2002
Alex Goligoski - drafted 61st overall (2nd round) in 2004
Tyler Kennedy - drafted 99th overall (4th round) in 2004
Kris Letang - drafted 62nd overall (3rd round) in 2005
This is not to say they batted 1.000 or always made the right choices in the draft. They didn't hit on all their picks and they didn't have any all-time great classes like the 1989 Detroit draft. But they did get enough solid selections and benefit from the player development to set the team up in a good position.
Like Therrien, Patrick had probably gotten to a place where he needed to be replace. Ray Shero has modernized many aspects of the organization and arena, getting the Penguins into the 21st century. Also the rebuild Patrick supervised was prolonged and ineffective. There's no doubt Patrick's hands were tied with financial constraints but from 2001 - 2004 he flipped star players in Jaromir Jagr, Alexei Kovalev, Martin Straka, Robert Lang and Darius Kasparaitis for spare parts long since departed and a bunch of prospects that never panned out. Compare that to the rebuild of the Washington Capitals who flipped their star players (like Sergei Gonchar, Peter Bondra, Brenden Witt and Robert Lang) for draft picks/prospects that's panned into six roster players as of now (including Mike Green, Simeon Varlamov and Brooks Laich).
Again, it needs to be pointed out in the old CBA and the Pittsburgh financial situation, there's no doubt that Craig Patrick didn't have a lot of leverage. But the prospects he got were turds like Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, Rico Fata, Sergei Anshakov and a bunch of other guys that never panned out. If CP would have been able to parlay his stars into a rebuild like Washington, Pittsburgh likely would have jumped out of the gutter quicker than they did.
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So while we celebrate the Stanley Cup, take a moment to recognize that we've benefited from some guys not still around in order to be where we are today at the summit.
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I don't think Therrien was a bad coach
but I think the difference in the Pens losing last season’s Stanley Cup Finals and Winning this seasons, was a direct result of coaching. I don’t think the Pens are a better team talent wise this season than they were last season during the finals… I just think the system put in place by Bylesma better suited the Penguins roster. The Pens were not suited to run a Therrien play style… I think you coach a team to play to their strong points, not change a team to play to your play style… Bylesma’s play style is the way the Pens were built to play and it showed as they won the cup this season.
by Stros Bro on Jun 13, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Therrien was a bad coach either
and I disagree that he was the difference between winning and losing. The Pens were simply not ready to win last year – they weren’t good enough defensively, they weren’t mature enough, they didn’t know what it took to win the cup. Look at Malkin – he won the Conn Smythe this year as he was dominant throughout the playoffs. Last year, it wasn’t just that he wasn’t dominant in the finals – he was a liability, making blind passes and turning pucks over left and right. That had nothing to do with Therrien, Malkin was just a young player who got sick and exhausted.
This year’s team was tougher, hungrier, grittier, and more mature. They may not have been more talented this year, but they were better, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that they lost in the finals the previous year.
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by CBKWit on Jun 14, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't score if you don't shoot!
Remember Sergei Zubov? I think the Pens under Therrien had the Zubov problem. I don’t have the stats (maybe Frank can find them) but I’d wager a couple of ice cubes that the team under Therrien shot less and less as his tenure progressed. And for a team with that much fire power and talent to be held down wasn’t good.
Enter Bylsma and we had an offense again and it showed in the shot column.
Yet as good as this team is, they aren’t the 90-93 Pens who could hold the puck and pick their shot and put it in. They are a couple of "feeders short of that…but maybe next year?
by John Carter on Jun 13, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
omg zubov. i have never ever seen a defenseman so scared to shoot the puck ever. turned out pretty good, but good lord man just throw that thing in there
" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 13, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ziggy was a loss
He was good, what happened to him again, some sort of shoulder problem??
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 13, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear, Hooks! You’re on point here, as usual. That’s why they pay you the big bucks.
by joshmejia on Jun 13, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s a lot of talk about the “big bucks” here lately. I’d really like to find out where it is exactly…
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by FrankD on Jun 14, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just south of monroeville
" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 15, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very Well Said
But man, those trades were awful. Its also hard to believe Letang went in the third round, wasnt he the “C” of the Junior National Team?
I think they also did a great job with the Hossa trade; Army was a glue guy for sure, but not entirely integral to the offense, we had no use for Esposito or that pick b/c our core is so young.
So add all that to keeping them in Pitt and getting a new arena and Id say we’re in good hands….now get to work resigning our guys
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 13, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its also hard to believe Letang went in the third round, wasnt he the "C" of the Junior National Team?
Letang was the first pick of the 3rd round (if that makes it any better). And he didn’t serve as Team Canada captain until after he was drafted.
‘Tang was probably a victim of being a smallish defenseman in the first draft after the lockout. If he was 6’2 or taller with the same skill set he’d probably would have been a surefire 1st rounder pick.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 14, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I wasnt aware of that
Well good thing he did last that long, but wouldnt his smaller size be less of a detraction in the post lockout NHL?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 14, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
As a Pittsburgh born transplant now in Chicago (20+yrs) I was unbelievably pleased with the Pens run this year. Went to game 2 in Det, and was disappointed, but not disillusioned. It seems that the Blackhawks are following the same path as the Pens. I don’t know what I’d do if there’s another ’92 finals rematch. Thanks for a great season/finals!
by XLR8TOR on Jun 14, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget Marian's Impact
Nothing like motivating everyone to play harder for us.
by dearmarian on Jun 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does this look familiar?
Starkey’s article from today’s PG.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_630435.html
by biedergb on Jun 21, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs























