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Crosbygate: The Saga Continues

So, today SI.com has a report of Henrik Zetterberg echoing Kris Draper's comment that Sidney Crosby "snubbed" and "disrespected" the Detroit Red Wings by not shaking everyone's hand at the end of game 7. Just in case the Wings are interested, here are my thoughts on the subject:

Red Wings, you're a great team, and you had a whale of a playoff run this season. The Finals was a tough series, it was a close series, it was an emotional series. It all came down to one game, and you came up short in that game: the Penguins played the game of their lives, and they beat you straight-up. If you wanted to take the high road, and demonstrate once again that you're a gracious, classy group, the thing to do would have been to let the Pens enjoy their moment. They worked their tails off, overcame adversity all season long, clawed their way into the playoffs, and earned everything they got, including their victory Friday night. When the final horn sounded, Sid was immediately mobbed by teammates and team staff, and the handshake line was just one of the things he had to do (along with answering questions from about 70 reporters, wondering how many ligaments in his knee might be ruptured, and, you know, skating with the Stanley Cup). If he didn't personally hurry after every member of the Wings to shake their hands, that's just something that happens. This wasn't LeBron James after the Cavaliers lost to Orlando; Sid wasn't in any hurry to get off the ice. It just happens.

But, for whatever reason, some of you (well, Kris and Hank) chose not to take the high road. You decided to try to make the Penguins' moment about you instead. In a season filled with ironies, you provided perhaps the most amusing irony of all: you whined and complained that Sidney Crosby was mean to you. Where I used to live, in California, we have an expression to describe people who make every situation about themselves, and complain about how others are offending their delicate sensibilities: the expression is "drama queen". And Kris and Hank, that's the way you're acting. I would have assumed you were better than this. But apparently I would have been wrong.

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lol, your much kinder then i was. please looka t my rant thread

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 15, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, i enjoyed your rant thread

I guess what I wrote is kinder than what I could have written. But this week is a happy week.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Jun 15, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU!!

That’s what my friend,my sister and I have been saying since the series got started—-that the Red Wings are just a bunch of drama queens. Some of our other friends—-a bunch of CRosby-haters—are making a big deal out of it too,posting stuff about it on Facebook. And I don’t know if anyone else noticed or not,but whenever one of the Wings went down with an inury,or an “injury”,they made it seem like they were dying,while the Penguins on the other hand,went down,and it nearly took a miracle to get a call made on it. And was it just me,or were the referees really quick with the whistle whenever any of the Pens barely touched any given member of Detroit,but took their sweet time when any given member of the Wings nearly took someone’s head off? I thought so…

by PensgurlinFL25 on Jun 15, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, and it’s not like they were truly waiting for them. If they believe in the handshake as much as they say they do, they’d wait themselves. It’s absolutely childish that they found one thing to hold onto in defeat, and they’re whining about it.

That said, I’m sure they have to handle the media, who bring that question up, and they just didn’t like it. Draper is the guy I think is pathetic in this, because he hyped it up, and, frankly, has had a bigger impact on the Stanley Cup after it was over.

I’ll say it again, Wings, you know victory, you seemingly will always maintain a championship caliber team, but for goodness sake maintain your dignity in defeat.

PS. LeBron will always be the lowest of the low for explaining himself as, “I’m better than them. Why should I have to shake their hands?” The Wings aren’t there. Fair comparison, but these guys are more so just creating steam on a non-issue.

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by Lavender on Jun 15, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LeBron’s move was definitely more childish, but at least he didn’t create any drama after that night: he let the Magic have their moment. Which was nice of him, since that moment apparently was a bit short-lived.

I’ve seen teams lose Finals game 7’s before, and the losers are always crushed by the experience, but I’ve never seen a team whine about it before.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Jun 16, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy I could go into my basketball rant again, but I’ll opt not ;)

The Red WIngs, however, aren’t complaining about the loss, or performance what so ever, they’re just complaining about the handshake they didn’t get from Sid. Which is why I say again to the Red Wings, if it means that much to them, why did they skate off the ice before they could shake hands with Crosby in the first place?

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by Lavender on Jun 16, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why should sid personally go out and find each and every wings player? they should have made themselves more available to him if it was that big of a freakin deal. and besides, its not like he didnt shake anyones hand. he in fact did make his way to the line, there is video proof of him shaking a lot of players hands. its probably all just because lindstrom was so embarrassed that he didnt put that last shot in, he couldnt and instead wanted to spare himself the pity.

even when we claim full bragging rights, theres still no way to celebrate it. sheesh.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are your Stanley Cup Champions!!

by jetpen89 on Jun 15, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crosby should’ve shaken their hands…it’s tradition and the right thing to do. That said, there’s no reason to cry about. It’s not a “snub.” Crosby was late and headed to the line too late. He’s 21 and he just won the Cup: he probably forgot about the handshake until he realized all of his teammates were standing in line in the middle of the ice. Wrong, but not a big deal.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Jun 16, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not wrong, per se...

…an oversight. Is it me, or is way too much being made of this? Shouldn’t Lidstrom be the one being compared to LeBron James, leaving the ice before congratulating his counterpart? Sidney didn’t leave, and eventually made it to the handshake line. Can he be blamed for Lidstrom’s not being there?

Scott Burnside was on the radio with Paulsen, Logan and Crowe today, among others, who referred to Draper’s(and apparently Hank’s), as “sour grapes” and “much ado about nothing”, among other things.

Chris “Sour Grapes” Draper. Has a nice ring to it. He’s a player I have(or had?) a tremendous amount of respect for. Unfortunate that he has to stoop to such a level.

I have lost a lot of respect for the Red Wings, their organization, and their fans since that last second ticked off in Game 7. Do they actually understand that they are embodying the term sore loser? Or are they so used to winning that it’s over their heads. The fans booing the Pens in the minutes after the game really got to me, considering the Wings got a standing O here in Pittsburgh after Game 6 in ’08. I was glad to hear Bylsma make light of it during the parade/rally today.

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 16, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they were booing Bettman like the Pens fans did last year.

by PensFan024 on Jun 16, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least they didn’t throw cups of beer or chairs at anyone. Other Detroit crowds have been known to take things a little farther.

But yeah, talk about sore losers. I remember when the Isles beat the Pens in OT of game 7 in 1993. A HORRIBLE loss. The Igloo fans still applauded the Isles, and the Pens players let it go.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Jun 16, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose if the Wings had won Game 6 at the Igloo, Pens fans would have cheered? And they would have clapped politely when Hossa lifted the cup? Not bloody likely.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, we cheered the Soviet Red Army when they won the Cup at the Igloo last year.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Jun 16, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s the Swedish Army, get it right. Sheesh. What is wrong with geography teachers these days? These kids think if it isn’t on Yahoo Maps or on their GPS, it doesn’t exist….

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Detroit will always be the red soviet army. You can sign all the swedes you want. It’s still the same red uniform, it’s still the same franchise, and we’ll call you that till you are no longer relevant.

by Phantaskippy on Jun 29, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minus the Hossa part, you described exactly the scene from last season’s game 6. There was a short boost of booing for Gary Bettman, followed by a Standing Ovation. The Red Wings fans booed Bettman and continued booking as the cup was skated around.

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 16, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

booking=booing

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 16, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but it wouldn’t have gone down like that at the Igloo again this year.

Last year there was a large amount of “just glad to be here” sentiment.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps you are right

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 16, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said. Thanks for hitting up this subject. Frankly I couldn’t bring myself to buy into the drama because of the sheer fact that it DOES take away from the Pens’ victory. As a blog dedicated to the Penguins I try to touch up on all things Pittsburgh be it good, bad, controversial or self-gratifying. But when it came to this ridiculous hype in the wake of the team’s championship (one we’ve all been waiting 17 years for) I couldn’t see the sense in it.

That’s not to say you didn’t do a great write up, it’s just that I felt the subject was one we could afford to avoid a day or two after the Cup win.

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by FrankD on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The handshake or no handshake wasn’t a big deal to me. I can’t believe people are STILL making a big deal out of it. I think it’s dead but the media keeps dredging it up since we’re now in the “slow time” of sports news, especially for hockey writers.

I just wonder if it’s symptomatic of anti-Crosby sentiment among players in the league rather than plain sour grapes at losing in the cup Finals. This isn’t the first time we’ve heard it come out that there are players that just don’t like Sidney Crosby.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My point is that the Wings should be bigger than this. Even if you don’t like Sidney Crosby, this is a moment in the spotlight that he deserves. Trying to tarnish it is just classless and petty.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Jun 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certain Wings players had apparently forgotten what it feels like to lose in the Stanley Cup Finals and are unfortuantely not taking that loss as well as they should have.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Det fans aren't buying it either

The media is reporting on it and on several blogs its being hashed out who is the worst person — Hitler or Crosby. But I read the Wings in Motion SBN blog and the comments are pretty fair — it was unfortunate, but let’s move on. I guess there are reasonable Detroit fans (and some Pens fans who post there as well).

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2009/6/13/908434/crosby-snubs-lidstrom

by biedergb on Jun 16, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Winging it in Motown readers are a stand-up group of hockey fans. I admire how that look at the situation rationally and not just as sore losers or whiners. That’s admirable. Again, every fan base has the whining sports fan but I really appreciate the ones who see it for what it really is. Petty.

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by FrankD on Jun 16, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winging it seems to have picked up a few homertrolls in the past day or two whining about refs and such….annoying as heck…

by ahtrap on Jun 16, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can include me in that group — Draper and Zett should get over it and move on.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t have time to read all the posts below, but it did catch my attention when:

- Crosby just got injured in the 2nd and the crowd erupted in…cheer??? I was appalled. Cheering when someone just possibly sustained a major injury? No class.

- The crowd booed when Bettman was presenting the awards to the Pens. No class.

If I were in the stands and Detroit won, I would be applauding both teams for the excellent series and good sportsmanship.

by Scoundrel on Jun 16, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True. If Sid got injured badly enough to not return and Detroit went on to win the Cup, would the Pittsburgh media be talking about the booing Sid scenario the same way Detroit is shining light on the handshake snub? I tend to think so.

The crowd booed Bettman at Mellon last year too, but you may remember they cheered the Stanley Cup. A lot of fans even stood up and cheered when Detroit hoisted the Cup, not because they were fans of the team (obviously) but because they appreciate that element of the game and what was really a great run by both teams, much like you said you’d do.

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by FrankD on Jun 16, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait a minute

When Ben Roethlisburger would be taken out by stretcher, we would cheer him because he put his thumb up letting us know he is ok. So maybe sid showed signs that he was coming back to the bench to support his team. I’m a Pens and Steelers fan.

Phillip Bunting
"Stairway To Seven"

by SteelersChatPack on Jun 18, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Wings fan, who admittedly didn’t watch the first 3 rounds of the Eastern Conference Playoffs, I absolutely expected Malkin to win the Conn Smythe. I gained a lot of respect for Malkin in the Finals as he obviously put his heart, soul, and weight into the games. He threw the body around, and I think it was his fight against Zetterberg that really made me take notice. I suspect I wouldn’t see Crosby throwing punches like that.

In last year’s finals Malkin was obviously a shell of himself and the difference between last year and this year was night and day. So much so that based on my limited viewing I thought Malkin should wear the C instead of Crosby. You are welcome to tell me why I am wrong but that’s my perspective from the best playoff series I’ve watched in years.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whoops, wrong window. Sorry for the seemingly random post.

by CPT Hoolie on Jun 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About your comments on Geno going round and round with Zetterberg—-from where I sit,Sid’s not really the fighting type,but he will fight if the need to defend himself or one of his team mates arises (usually himself)—-case in point,December 2007,when he laid out Andrew Ference….he was aggravated just enough that he started wailing on the next guy who messed with him…..but as I said,that’s just how I see it.

by PensgurlinFL25 on Jun 17, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wings fan here

I can’t believe this is still brought up. Z and Drapes, get over it. Sid got swarmed by his teammates, then got pulled away by the media. A 21-year old kid just realized a dream, give the kid a break! (I’m old, 21 is a kid to me now, no disrespect intended, btw). If this keeps up for a few more days, I’ll stop calling one of your players a crybaby and give that distinction to some of the Wings. This should be a non-issue, wish the media would treat it as such.

by JazzyBBP on Jun 16, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

btw

Thanks to Wings fans for offering the other side’s perspective.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Jun 16, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched this scene unfold, and I have to admit that I was kind of surprised Sid didn’t get in line sooner. Yeah, he had a lot of attention, but as someone who respects the game he should have gotten this out of the way first. No one would have criticized him for stepping away from reporters to join the handshake line sooner.

That said, a few of the Wings made this a soap opera and have blown it out of proportion. They could have joked about it and looked better, but Draper and Zetterberg sounded genuinely annoyed. Sid was gracious towards the Caps following that series, where some of their players and many of their fans have been nothing but antagonistic and disrespectful towards him.

by chicos_pants on Jun 17, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not at all surprised that Draper whined after the game. He’s been a whiny little bastard his entire career. I am surprised by Zetterberg though. I thought he had more class than that. It should be a non-issue. The fact that the RWs are whining about it is laughable. And hopefully it will come back to bite them in the arse someday.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ummm, who snubbed who?

Regarding Sid’s presumed snub….

1. Pens won the game and series
2. Detroit lost the same
3. Sid came to the handshake line. Doesn’t really matter when
4. Some Wings were gone by that time.

There was indeed snubbing. Problem is it was done by the Wings players.

It’s a pity that such a great series is being marred by such unsportsmanlike conduct.

by emmjay on Jun 20, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Mr. Zetterburgh Just quit being a soar looser.

 Crosby is one of the most Mature Players i have ever heard spoken. And quit being a soar F•••ing looser for real, mr. Zetterburgh your are honestly upset because you have the 2-0 lead and straight forward blew it, in the greatest Stanley cup finals in over 30 years. And i think your mad you were on the loosing end obviously, to a younger less experienced team, but yet a team that had more will, heart, desire, and perserverance to overcome you. OBVIOUSLY!!!!!
Sorry but i would of done the same thing, I would of been so happy that i wouldnt even know what to do with all the happiness. Being the youngest captain to win the stanley cup the joy and happiness that was flowing throw his body im sure didn’t even cross his mind hey let me go shake the loooser’s hand, and he did eventually shake your hands after the celebrations had gone through. Show me in the guidelines of the NHL code of conduct where it says you must shake the loosing opponents hand. Seriously Zetterburgh, grow the F**K up. Just admit you lost to a better team and admit it. You were littearlly on the loosing end of the greatest hocky stanley cup playoffs I have ever seen in my life time.

Great WIN PENS< I have a feeling there is alot more cups to come……

by Burghian4LIFE on Jun 23, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think the red wings are just proving to everyone how their title of “classiest team in the NHL” is completely undeserved. Sid was MOBBED by media, team mates, etc, and he just couldn’t extricate himself in the 30 seconds Lidstrom waited for him. i think the thing that makes it quite obvious that he didn’t intend to “snub” anyone, is that he shook Franzen’s hand. the guy who injured him and took him out of the game of his life. if he could shake Franzen’s hand, obviously he isn’t harboring any bad feeling for the rest of the team.

i just can’t believe that the red wings would whine about this. it’s ridiculous. if it was any other situation or any other teams, it would be the losing team’s responsibility to stick around for a few minutes to make sure they shook everyone’s hand. the red wings just need to grow up and let it go.

by katievanblah on Jun 24, 2009 7:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oops.. i didn’t mean to bold that entire thing…

by katievanblah on Jun 24, 2009 7:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

right?!

its the loosing teams obligation to stick around long enough to congratulate the winners with a handshake for a game/series well played; not the other way around. its a good point that franzen shook sid’s hand and if i remember correctly he had to go to crosby (could be wrong about that but i thought i heard someone make that comment during that week).

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by AZpenzFan on Jun 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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