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Pens already running out of Cap Space

Not a week after their Stanley Cup victory, the Pens front office is back to work. Earlier today, Ray Shero re-signed RFA Goligoski to a 3-yr, $5.5m deal. This was reported elsewhere on Pensburgh. What's shocking is that with GoGo's new contract, the Pens '09-'10 cap hit is currently at $48.67m out of the estimated $55m cap for next year.

This leaves the Pens with only $6.5m of space to work with, and they still have Scuderi, Gill, Guerin and Fedotenko to look at. I think it's safe to assume that players like Sykora and Satan will not return, but it's entirely possible that virtually all of their UFAs will be wearing new colors next year.

Also, that $6.5m is probably more like $5-5.5m, since they can't leave themselves without any wiggle room. So, instead of "What UFAs(plural) should the Pens re-sign?", we should say "What UFA(singular) should the Pens re-sign?".

Such is the price of having Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Gonchar...etc, etc.

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Wow. Very interesting. This will obviously draw some concern from the front office and may even open up opportunities for the farm guys. Whether we necessarily WANT those guys is another story though. But if the Pens have no choice but to promote based on salary issues this may come back to bite them in the pads.

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by FrankD on Jun 17, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no…I think they have guys ready to play at the NHL level, especially considering how good the rest of their team already is. Guys like Caputi and Jeffrey could probably play six minutes a game or so and not hurt the team all that much.

Heart, Max Talbot has it by the mile. The Pens are your 2008-2009 Stanley Cup Champions.

by Malsby on Jun 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think out of those guys you’d want feds and scuds. i’d love for guerin to sign with us for cheap and hes made enough money that he might do that. seems like he loves it here. gill is out the door,

by cbur21 on Jun 17, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I think Gill’s day in Pitt are numbered. I’m all for bringing Scuderi back but I’m anticipating big offers throughout the league.

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by FrankD on Jun 17, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Scuderi and Fedetenko are the top priorities to re-sign, Guerin absolutely if the price is right. Like Hal Gill’s size, he’s been a pretty good contributor, but geez I can outskate him! His spot gets filled by an up and comer. Sykora and Satan assuredly gone. Hope they can keep the top 3 mentioned, but Scuderi may be a problem. Who knows maybe a team like TAmpa opens the checkbook and over pays the way they did for Ryan Malone.

by Dutch71 on Jun 17, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll see….As I mentioned elsewhere, maybe the Penguins look to trade a guy like Dupuis for draft picks (which would save $1.4 million, maybe enough to bring back Adams and Zigomanis or two like players..

In which case we’d have

Kunitz-Crosby-XXXXX
XXXXX-Malkin-Talbot
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Jeffrey-Zigomanis-Adams

Gonchar/Orpik
Eaton/Letang
Goligoski/XXXXX

Fleury
Curry

Now you’d arguably have enough room to bring back Fedotenko, Guerin and maybe even Scuderi…The questions become can Talbot play a consistent top 6 role, would injuries hurt the defense too badly and what happens if Fleury goes down?

But in the salary cap age every team has questions.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think they basically have to move Dupuis, even if it means virtually giving him away. That enables them to keep Adams/Zigomanis and probably promote someone from WBS for Dupuis’ spot. Scuderi, hopefully he will resign for about 2 or a bit more, but he can probably get a lot more than that elsewhere. Tenk Top gets next priority, and then Guerin if he will re-sign for 2 or so.

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by CBKWit on Jun 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude I want Scuds back, but no WAY he signs for only 2 million. He is going to get offered 2.8 to 4 million from someone. This will be the contract that Scuderi and his family live off of for the rest of their lives. He has a Cup and I am sure he is grateful to the Pens for sticking with him for all these years, but it is time for him to chase the money and I don’t blame him

Life is about one simple choice, get busy living or get busy dying

by Dr Tre on Jun 18, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nods I’m not expecting Scuderi back. He wrote his own killer resume in the Finals.

"Miracles require hard work."--Agent Gibbs, NCIS

by GreenEyedLilo on Jun 19, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ideal situation involves trading bad contracts, Satan style waivers and timely injuries

1) we all agree that Dupuis does the same job Adams did except for .8 milion more. Move him.
2) Kunitz brings alot to that top line, but 3.725 is just too much. Move him if possible. Look for Talbot to fill his role.
now that 48.67 mil cap is down (1.4mil + 3.725) 5.125 all the way to 43.545.
Then you sign Guerin to a 1 year 3 mil contract. now your at 46.545
Then you sign Fedotenko to a 1 Year 2 mil contract. now your at 48.545
Your forward lines are looking like:
    Talbot Crosby Guerin
Fedotenko Malkin XX
   Cooke Staal Kennedy
Godard ZZ AA
ZZ= Zigomanis for the Faceoff Circle .6m and AA= Craig Adams veteran Grinder hopefully both for .6m (+1.2m)
49.745.
Assume Malsby included Goligoskis new contract Theres 5 D:
Gonchar Orpik
Letang Goligoski
Eaton

Give Scuderi a longterm frontloaded deal of no more then 3 mil per cap hit .I’d Give him 8 Years if I had to He will be one of the elite Active sticks for years to come not to mention durable and with Gonchar Retiring after 2 more seasons it won’t hurt.
That brings you to 52.745

Then you need a backup goalie and someone for malkins line some depth dmen its still close! ouff

Phili B

by ColeHarbour on Jun 17, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We all know Shero’s going to pull something out of his ass, and we’re all gonna love it. I’m not worried, I mean, I’m not the one doing the math.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are your Stanley Cup Champions!!

by jetpen89 on Jun 17, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am new here but a lifelong Penguin fan! I enjoyed watching the cup in the comfy country of Iraq!

I’ve been thinking about the players we currently have and wondering… do you guys think Kennedy will stay on the 3rd line? Next year will be his 3rd in the league and he made a decent jump in production from his rookie year. I think he could definetely be a top 6 forward which would allow us to sign somebody a little less expensive for the 3rd line winger for Staal.

by lovedempens on Jun 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your train of thought….Most assume Talbot will be a 2nd liner next year because he was so good in June, but Talbot isn’t always a consistent point producer.

Kennedy isn’t the most skilled guy in the world either, but I think you could argue his hands are a little better than Talbot’s.

Very possible TK is a Malkin or Crosby winger next year, or at least given the chance to be.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 18, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, and their place should be filled by Caputi or Jeffery.

Anyone think we keep Bissonette or Taffe? I always thought they were solid 3rd or 4th liners…

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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 18, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bissonnette ought to be back; Taffe is getting a little long in the tooth for an unestablished player and might be able to go to Europe and make more money there than he would as a fringe NHL/AHL player.

And a guy like Tim Wallace was a better 3rd/4th line energy player than Taffe was.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t think I saw any games where Wallace played…good to know.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington

by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace isn’t anything too special, a decent depth player that’ll play the body but won’t score in the NHL. Also, Wallace impressed me and a lot of other by standing up for himself against Milan Lucic even though he knew Lucic would whoop him.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 18, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that. Good stuff

by AZpenzFan on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impressive! I love the moxy he’s got…ya, he looks like a guy to dig it out in the corners.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington

by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 18, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bissonnette would save us 250 thou if we could get rid of Godard, he’s not as tough but he’ll fight anyone any day of the week. I think we can throw him on defense if need be as I believe he played the position before

Phili B

by ColeHarbour on Jun 20, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, I’d rather have Godard than Bissonnette as the enforcer. I can’t say I kept up with Biz Nasty in the AHL, but in his few NHL stints, he occassionally seemed too willing to fight. Fun to watch? Sure – but he looks to need more on-ice discipline.

Let's go Pens!

by JDunman on Jun 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was only so willing to fight because he was working on getting a spot on the roster. He was just showing that he could fight when needed.

I’d keep them both. Against some teams you need a strong fighter and against others you could use a more rounded player. Alternate the two depending on the situation.

by bbill on Jun 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and to add on quickly. I personally like Kunitz staying on the team. His salary hit is 3.725 but I love what he brings to the table. He is an underrated goal scorer as well. I know he struggled in the play offs but he has been getting 20+ goals the last few years, and playing a full season with Crosby could see his production spike a little more. This to go with his 2-way play, ability on the forecheck, and his “I’m gonna knock your * into next week”

by lovedempens on Jun 17, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not to mention he also just moved into the pitt area and his wife just had a baby. life has been stressful in the kunitz household. i’d love to see him come back and play a full season.

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by jetpen89 on Jun 17, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think of what we were like before he came here. He really made a difference on this team.

Max Talbot is The Superstar.
Tikka da da, tikka da.

by Phantaskippy on Jun 17, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree. Kunitz might not have produced many points in the playoffs, but you cannot deny what he brought to the team. I would expect his point production to go up next year. We will just have to wait and see.

by xaryss on Jun 18, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botterill's gonna have to earn that paycheck....

…now let’s see what that Michigan education is worth….

by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If its one, its gotta be Scuderi

Hes barely scratching the surface

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 18, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scudsy is going to command a huge raise this offseason. i wouldn’t be surprised to see him head somewhere else with a large multiyear contract – like 5 mil per…

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington

by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 18, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well its gotta be one of him or Gill

they were both so great this year, I know its not huge but 5.5 over 3 years seems a bit high for Gologoski, he’s still relatively inexperienced.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 19, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gogo’s got an avg cap hit of 1.833 for 3 yrs.

Think its 1.25/1.5/2.75

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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

/slaps forehead

I get what you said now, my bad. TOTAL gogo’s contract is 5.5…gotcha.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington

by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, that seems a lot given he doesnt even have a full year of NHL experience

right?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 19, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little, but maybe he has a break out year (or two) and suddenly the 2.75 in his contract year looks like a steal…who knows, only Ray Shero.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington

by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 20, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh i have no doubt he's gonna be good

I wasnt worried about that, just surprised he netted a deal like that. id rather the Penguins be in this situation than worry about how Shero would retain the big pieces, so in that regard hes done an amazing job at locking them up….so we just have to be like the Patriots I suppose, and take chances on young guys and reclamation projects

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 20, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think he's going to get 5 million

but I could see him getting something like Orpik (3.75?)

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by CBKWit on Jun 19, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

out of the box once more

Anyone think they might move Gonchar? Losing his contract would certainly alleviate these concerns. Although I’m not convinced Letang is ready to take over as power-play QB this year.

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by holiday park on Jun 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as much of a leader that he is and how comfortable malkin is with him, i doubt that would even be considered. he would definately be hard to replace but as you point out would make lots of room under the cap.

by AZpenzFan on Jun 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a lot of quotes about extending his and Letang’s contracts mid year. Doesn’t mean they won’t trade Gonch, but more than likely they won’t.

Dupius will get dumped somewhere for sure to make room for Ziggy and Adams. I’d like to see Bissonette come up and play left wing on that fourth line for three reasons: he’s better on offense than Godard, he can hold his own in a fight(maybe not as well as Godard, but certainly better than talbot), and he used to play defense, so in the event of an injury, they have a quick, albeit temporary, fix.

I can’t see Scuderi getting any more than 3.5 mil. He isn’t quite the tank that Orpik is, but still might be a little more expensive then the pens can afford. If he takes the discount for another deep cup run, then great, if not, Lovejoy or cheap FA.

I wouldn’t move TK up from the Staal line. They have really good chemistry. Bring up Pesonen (not sure of the spelling). Give him a shot. He improved dramatically over the course of the year. Bring up Curry or sign another inexpensive backup via FA instead of signing Garon. We will probably end up with two or three baby pens next season no matter what happens, but with the way some of them responded earlier with all the injuries, it isn’t that big of a deal.

by bbill on Jun 19, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be tight

What happened to Personen? wasn’t he in the top 3 in WB?
I think they need Scuderi back as a solid stay at home type while Letang and Golioski are more offensive.
Sad but for the production Sykora and Satan just can’t be retained.
Billy G for the same price as he’s now a year older but still has leadership.
Zigomantis besides faceoffs is not needed nor Dupius
I also agree 5M for gogo was kinda premature. He has potential but until he shows it on an nightly basis this is too much. If he proves he’s a Gonchar replacement he’s going to want much more down the road. For the ice time Godard was mighty expensive.

by harp on Jun 20, 2009 3:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pesonnen will be gone he’s 26 or something and he’s too timid for a small guy he needs kennedys fire or alot more skill to crack the pens Roster…
The only way Scuderi resigns is if the pens can give him a Franzen deal over 9 years for a touch under 3 mil per front loaded, I would give it to him too… Gonchar will retire in 2 years. we have 3 offensive dmen now in Goligoski Letang and Gonchar we need a shutdown pair. Gonchar makes the PP too good he’s worth every cent.
Zigomanis was doing wicked before he got hurt, he’s not just good at faceoffs he the best in the league, .7 mil or less we have to take him. Adams we can part with but he’d be sweet for last years salary of .6 mil.
If Pitt didn’t give Goligoski the overpriced contract someone else could have out bid the RFA… He’s suspect on D but he’ss have 20 Goals next year.

Phili B

by ColeHarbour on Jun 20, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scuds..

….I disagree with everyone. I think Scuds can be replaced. He brings no offense and is strictly defensive. I think Eaton steps right into his role next year. Think of the progress Eats made this year vs. last year.

Scuds is a good player, but he is fairly common in the hockey world….a defensive defenseman!

I would rather resign Tanks and Guerin before Scuds.

No way Scuds gets more money thank Orpik (from the Pens).

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by Nick7 on Jun 21, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Scuds is replaceable, but he’s also a safe bet. Some players don’t respond very well when they switch teams. With Scuds, you know what you are getting, and I think that is the appeal. It really depends on what he wants for a salary, but yes, we would be fine without him. He won’t get more than Orpik unless some team’s GM goes insane with Scuderi Fever.

I personally like the Gogo deal. Hell, we gave Whitney $4 mil and he couldn’t play defense to save his life. Gogo actually ended his 45 game stint with a +5, Whitney was -15 in 28…. I think its a step up. They’re probably gonna extend Gonch by two years so they can replace him with Gogo/Letang if they are ready, or extend Gonch’s contract if they don’t work out. Either way it will be a win-win situation.

Gotta keep Ziggy. He’s more than faceoffs. He works the PK and is great defensively. Adams can be replaced for the same price, but again, we know what we’re getting with him, keep him.

by bbill on Jun 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With not hearing a whole lot about our free agents, is it a safe bet that Fedo, Scuderi, Guerin are waiting for free agency to hear what other teams are willing to offer? If so, that does not boast well for the home team.

by lovedempens on Jun 25, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pens' D

If the past playoffs proved nothing, it’s that defense wins the Cup. I’d much rather have Scuds than Gonchar and his salary any day. Take a look at how many times Gonchar was out of his “point position” or just simply couldn’t keep the puck in the offensive zone on the power play – and he is a tremendous defensive liability, since he doesn’t actually play defense. Gill should go as well, since he has absolutely no idea how to play the puck. Every time Detroit dumped in the puck it seemed as if it was the first time he had ever tried to figure out what to do and he’s easily the slowest guy on the ice – not something you need from a defenseman. I’d much rather pair Scuds with Letang and let Eaton play with Orpik and have Goligoski as an alternate and give one or two of the younger guys some opportunities. For the PP, I’d have a defensive-minded forward playing one of the points – like Adams. That would be much cheaper and just as effective as the aging Gonchar.

by RentedGoalie on Jun 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gonch is hardly a defensive liability. Keeping the puck in the offensive zone is one of his STRONG points. Keeping the puck in the zone is a lot harder than you think it is. Before his return the Pens were running back and forth trying to put rubber on net. Gonch maybe goes back twice during the whole two minutes to retrieve the puck. I’m also not sure where you’re getting that Gonch doesn’t play defense.

We need Gonch to run the powerplay. Look at the difference he made when he came back towards the end of the season. Why would you put Scuds on the PP? Eaton and Orpik with Gogo as an alternate? You wouldn’t score! The point of the PP is to put the puck into the net. If you do that, you don’t have to worry about defense. Thats why there are so few short handed goals ever scored.

by bbill on Jun 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s an awful lot of money to pay someone for possibly only 4 or 6 minutes of ice time each game to make a difference. You just made my point – he failed miserable for most of the Detroit (read: good defensive team) series on the PP – he COULDN’T keep the puck in the zone, which is why their PP was underachieving for games 5-7. For the kind of money they spend on Gonchar, they could afford to keep Scuds and only play one defenseman on the PP and have a winger play the point. He averages less than a point per game, and he’s either directly or indirectly responsible for giving up a goal per game – that’s a wash at best, and a very expensive wash. Unlike Scuderi who was a +23 this past year.

by RentedGoalie on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t fail. Every team has to retrieve the puck during a powerplay. Just look at the pens PP before Gonch’s return. Keeping the puck in the zone is subtle, but you sure notice when it isn’t there: see the first 60 or so games. You can’t take a three game sample(especially an injured sample) and claim that he isn’t worth it. The regular season PP was awful before his return, and when he came back it got much better. Gonchar might get a point on every powerplay. Scuderi probably won’t. They pay him that much because he DOES make a huge difference. Look at the regular season or last year, don’t look at a single series.

Which winger would you want on the point? I promise Adams(like you suggested) wouldn’t be able to keep the puck in any better than Gonch, nor would any other winger I could name.

He is a defensemen. Of course he averages less than a point a game! How many players on last years roster were at or above a point per game?

I don’t think you can say he is consistantly responsible for giving up a goal a game. Whats that based on? An injured series against the Red Wings? He isn’t a terrible defensemen. He isn’t quite the shutdown D that Scuderi is, yes. Everybody knows that, doesn’t mean he isn’t worth keeping. The PP is a big part of the game.

by bbill on Jun 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gonchar is a very valuable component to the Penguins. the way he skippers the PP is huge, after he got injured on the Ovechkin hit I’d say he was at about 60%. You can’t judge his value by what I would agree was pretty so-so defensive play vs. Detroit. Of course bbill is spot on, you don’t notice the value of a guy keeping the puck in the zone on a PP until you have the puck getting knocked out a couple of time every Power Play!

by Dutch71 on Jun 27, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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