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The real killer of being down 0-2: losing a game at home


You've probably seen that teams that win Games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals are 31 for 32 at winning the Cup.  Only the 1971 Montreal Canadiens have dropped the first two games on the road and then gone on to win the Cup.  While it makes sense that the odds are long--the team in a 0-2 has to win four out of five games-- and usually a team is just better if they jump up 2 games to 0, there's also a reason why the team in the hole doesn't win.  For instance, let's look over the past 20 years for the situation where the home team opens with two wins:

 

2008 - Detroit jumps up 2-0 on Pittsburgh at home, then wins Game 4 in Pittsburgh to take a 3 games to 1 edge.

Result: Red Wings in 6

 

2007 - Anaheim takes a 2-0 lead on Ottawa at home, then wins Game 4 in Ottawa to take a 3 games to 1 advantage.

Result: Ducks in 5

 

2006 - Carolina wins the first two games at home against Edmonton, then wins Game 4 in Edmonton to take a 3 games to 1 lead in the series.

Result: Hurricanes in 7

 

2003 - New Jersey won the first two games at home, then Anaheim battled back to win Games 3 and 4 in California to tie the series 2 games a piece.

Result: Devils in 7 (the home team won every game in this series)

 

1998 - Detroit won Games 1 and 2 in Detroit then won Game 3 in Washington.

Result: Red Wings in 4

 

1997 - Detroit won Games 1 and 2 in Detroit then won Game 3 in Philadelphia.

Result: Red Wings in 4

 

1996 - Colorado won Games 1 and 2 in Denver then won Game 3 in Florida.

Result: Avalanche in 4

 

1992 - Pittsburgh won Games 1 and 2 at the Igloo then won Game 3 in Chicago.

Result: Pens in 4

 

1988 - Edmonton won the first two games at home then won Game 3 in Boston

Result: Oilers in 5

 

As you can see, when a team wins the first two games at home, eight out of nine times they've at least gotten a win on the road in either Game 3 or 4.  There could be a lot of reasons for this; like carrying over momentum of the early wins, or that they're simply a better team all-around.  The point of this exercise is to show that being down 0-2 isn't the worst thing in the world, but once the team loses on their home ice, it's curtains on the series.  Going down 0-3 or 1-3 is infinitely worse than 0-2.

 

The Penguins season has been marked with adversity all season long, be it through injuries, the coaching change, trades, trade rumors and digging an early hole.  Pittsburgh has already overcame a 0-2 deficit in the series against Washington earlier this spring.

 

And you guessed it: against the Capitals the Penguins protected home ice by winning Games 3 and 4 to climb right back into the series.  That’s the challenge they will again face.  It’s easier said than done, especially when going against the caliber of opponent that the Detroit Red Wings are, but it’s been done before.

 

 

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I can’t really back this up cause i’m too lazy to google it but i heard that the last two teams to get beat that were up 2-0 were the red wings. So we got em right where we want em!

by JasonGoPens on Jun 2, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

1942 and 1966 they went up 2-0 and lost the finals…long time ago huh? but it’s thier thing. Just like it’s Buffalos thing to lose Super Bowls.

by JasonGoPens on Jun 2, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

couple more losses and the pens will be on their way to becoming the Bills of NHL.

by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 2, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

least we made it here which cant be said about the canes. nice try troll

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 2, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

cmon now- such harsh words. I was just stating a fact, and last time the canes were there- they got the job done….last eastern conference team to hold the cup….probably going to stay that way for another year.

by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 2, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

must really chap your butt the pens won and are still in this series.

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 2, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

In no way shape or form- I love hockey, and I do not want the season to end. I would love to see this go 7 games. More games = More entertainment before the off season (plus more potential revenue for the league). To me, there is NOTHING BETTER IN SPORTS THEN A GAME 7 STANLEY CUP FINAL.

And to be honest, I really do not care who wins this. There are plusses and minus’s to both. I would love to see crybaby fail to get a cup again, but it would be entertaining for Hossa to have to watch him carry it. The penguins annoy me to no end for being the leagues babies (and Crosby really needs to buy or rent a place), but Detroit consistently annoys me by winning cups year after year (and yes, they beat my Canes in the cup finals not too long ago).

For me it is a zero sum game of Plusses and minuses- just hoping for a long series- I love the NHL- and better yet, I would love it if more people watched these games- because they are absolutely fantastic and thrilling!

by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 3, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes tonight is a must win

ONE GAME AT A TIME WITH HOPES OF GOING BACK TO DETROIT TIED. Im hoping Osgood is like Varlamo. We get a few by him and get him off his game. If this goes to game 7 and we lose I will then accept defeat by the better team but I cant stand being beat like we did last year. And I dont want a repeat of last year.

by OLDSKOOLPENS on Jun 2, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win this one, then refocus on Thursday.

A little fire tonight(angry Malkin), a little determination on Thursday(focused Crosby), a team effort and a little luck on Saturday, and we could easily have a 3-2 series lead. I’m not buying the rhetoric that Detroit is WAAAAAYYYYYY way better than the Penguins. Just like none of us did in the Washington series.

Go Pens Go.

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 2, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to issue an official apology...

I broke from my playoff tradition the last two games and failed to pick up my Game-Day-constant Little Ceasars 5-buck Hot’n’Ready pizza.

I am sincerely full of sorrow at the thought that I contributed in any way, shape, form, or weird-voodoo-vibe to the hard losses we suffered in Detroit.

I will rededicate myself this evening to picking up the aforementioned pizza and will promise you that we will once again enjoy a Penguins Victory!

Here’s to superstition!

by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 2, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

No more hockey for you! Come back one year!

by JasonGoPens on Jun 2, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

epic fail on breaking routine. i also fired my brother for breaking his tradition of watching the game iwth the folks.

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 2, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

TRAITOR!

YOUR BUYING PIZZA FROM THE REDWINGS OWNER YOUR PAYING THEIR SALARYS!

by ahtrap on Jun 2, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, thought I’d try the homertroll thing :p

but little caesars IS owned by Illitch

by ahtrap on Jun 2, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i propose banning ah till one week after the finals should the pens loose. his extreme likability and ability to carry on a non biased hockey convo is absurdly annoying….not normal for a wings fan

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 2, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

man based on those numbers things look pretty bleak. based on the way the pens are playing, i’d say there is still definitely a chance here. tonight is for sure a must win game. we CANNOT go down 0-3 to this team. 0-2 is bad enough. fleury needs to tighten up (or loosen up, whatev), and the pens needs to bury some of the chances they’re getting, obviously. anyway, it got me thinking about this clip from a truly great movie. this being a ‘must win’ game, you’ll get the gist:

The Speech

by blaze1344 on Jun 2, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

what time is it now

This day is crawling by incredibly slowly… I can’t believe I still have to wait almost three hours for the game to start. I’m so nervous!

by Cari on Jun 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

ralley caps, lucky draws, lucky beer, it all needs to come out tonight

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 2, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

My boss wants to take all of his staff out to an unknown bar for food and drinks and game-watching. I’ve been watching all playoffs at one of two bars or at someone’s
house…I don’t know whether or not its a good idea to change it up now. I’m not usually superstitious, but I do make sure I have a terrible towel for every Steelers game, and I didn’t have one the week they lost to the Titans.

Any suggestions?

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 2, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

recommend the bar

" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run

by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 2, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not?

just like how crosby touched the the conferecne trophey? we’re down and something has to change

just make sure they have sweet tv’s

and fyi i’m not held responsible if we lose…but will take all credit if we do : )

by t1mmy10 on Jun 2, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

say try out a new bar, that way you change it up a bit, and if it turns out to be a cool place and the Pens win (or you’re not superstitious), you’ve found a cool new place to go to…

by ahtrap on Jun 2, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, I’m trying the new place. Actually I had decided before I logged back in here, after I spent 20 minutes looking for my Malkin Jersey. Found it, luckily.

Let’s go Pens!
I feel good.

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 2, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

main thing that has to happen for us to win

crosby & malkin will get their chances or they’ll open up stuff for other ppl since we get last say in the lines tonight. i’m not worried about that.

but fleury’s gotta be SICK. ridic highlight save fleury from when we played the flyers. i was talkin to my uncle last night (he’s a flyers fan) and he admitted he felt there was no way to bet us with fleury playing the way he was then. hoping that fleury shows up cuz if he does, detroit won’t have a 2 goal lead to just sit on in the third & that’ll open up more stuff for us to score

by t1mmy10 on Jun 2, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed. I think that the criticism Fleury has faced thus far in this series is a little more intense than necessary. The Abdelkader goal on Sunday was the only one I was shaking my head on and saying, “ugh, Fleury…”. That said, if he brings his best game tonight(like in the Flyers series), which I think he will, it makes the Pens chances all that much better.

-David
sixminutecynic.blogspot.com
www.piratesmix.com.

by pascaldupweevil on Jun 2, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely cannot blame MAF for the first two games- he isnt going to win many 1-0 against a strong Detroit team. He is a pretty good goalie, and has a fantastic future with your organization, he is just young and needs a little help out there from the rest of the team.

by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 3, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

True and true but he also can’t go letting in soft goals from center ice either. As much as the Pens were in it before that shot in G2 they were just as quickly out of it when the light went off.

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by FrankD on Jun 3, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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