Game 4 Recap..Strength down the middle: Jordan Staal, Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby protect this house...TIE SERIES
On June 4th, the one year anniversary of Detroit raising the Cup on Mellon Arena ice, the Pens and Wings played 4th game in six nights of the 2009 Stanley Cup Finals. Your age of the Penguins four different goal scorers: 22, 20, 21 and 22. The age of the two Detroit goal scorers? 22 and 29. Is it becoming a young man's series? Perhaps. If so, you really have to like Pittsburgh's chances.
Still, the aim is to hold home ice and both Detroit and Pittsburgh has done so. Now we have a glorified best of 3 (with two games at "The Joe") so nothing is decided yet. The only thing for sure is this isn't the same series as last year and this isn't the same Pittsburgh team as last year.
- And the main difference is Evgeni Malkin. Even though he scored three points in the last two games of last year's SC Finals, he wasn't really a factor for the whole series due to illness and general exhaustion. This year Geno is a difference maker. He's clearly the best player on the ice out there. No one can stop him, no one can really even slow him. Even after taking an ill-advised hooking penalty 170 feet from his net, he came out of the box more determined and pissed than ever. If Malkin isn't #1 in the next Conn Smythe watch on Puck Daddy you ought to ignore it.
- But the Conn Smythe is far from decided. We're only halfway home. Important to emphasize that. Even though Malkin's hitting on all cylinders and Sidney Crosby was big, this thing is not over.
- Jordan Staal scored the goal of the game-- if not the series-- when he beat Brian Rafalski at the blueline and broke in. Red Wings' defensemen mishandling the puck has become a major factor (more of this to come). Staal muscled past Rafalski, knifed through Nicklas Lidstrom and beat Chris Osgood to tie the game a 2.
- Everyone was looking for a breakout game from Sidney Crosby, especially the media. Give credit to Henrik Zetterberg, Nicklas Lidstrom and the rest of the Detroit defense-- they've done a great job at containing and tight checking Sid. But Crosby's still gotten a bunch of chances, most have hit the post on his shots or passes...This game the puck ended up in the back of the net.
- Crosby got a beauty of a goal. Malkin pressured the Detroit defense and they fumbled it again, leading to a 2-on-1. Malkin's initial pass was blocked by a sprawling defenseman, but he didn't panic. And Crosby kept going to the net waiting for the puck. Malkin eventually found the puck, got it to Crosby who beat Osgood. As sweet as that goal (the eventual game winner) was, Crosby would have a nicer play on his assist 3 and a half minutes later.
- Chris Kunitz broke into the zone and wound up for a slapper, but he either saw Crosby and/or heard his call and sent a cross-ice pass over....Sid quickly snapped a pass through Lidstrom's legs and right on the tape of Tyler Kennedy's stick. Goal city. Game.
- Marc-Andre Fleury survived the tide, stopping 37 of 39 shots. And neither of the goals were really his fault....The usually Reliable Rob Scuderi got caught between a rock and a hard place, and instead of maybe skating the puck out he seemed to panic and threw a puck that got intercepted by Darren Helm. Credit Helm for getting there and a nice shot, as well as Dan Cleary for getting to the front of the net.
- The second Detroit goal was similar. Bill Guerin provided an inadvertent screen and Brad Stuart wheeled around and threw a nice shot on the net.
- By the way, Brad Stuart; despite playing 635 of his combined 738 career games (reg season and playoffs) in the Western Conference has scored 9 of his 67 career goals (13.4% of his total goals) against Pittsburgh.
- Stuart has only played 23 combined regular + post season games against the Penguins. So if you're keeping track at home, Stuart has an incredible (for a defenseman) .391 goals per game average against the Pens. That's is a pace of 32 goal season (the Caps Mike Green scored 31 this year to much deserved fanfare). Against the rest of the teams in the league not named Pittsburgh Brad Stuart has a .081 goals/game average (7 goals a season). Seems like Stuart likes playing against the Pens, huh? No one give this information to a team in the division like Philly or the Devils, OK?
So that's it, the Pens have held home ice. Last year at this time it was 3-1 going back to Detroit, now it's 2-2. We're a long way from deciding it, but as I pointed out at the beginning, the Pens younger legs may get a chance to shine through. Pittsburgh has to be happy that guys like Staal, Kennedy and Crosby are on the board now as well as the strong play of Fleury, and with two straight wins there ought to be some momentum carried forward.
But carry all the momentum you want, it won't mean anything on Saturday when the series shifts back to Detroit where there'll be a different crowd, different matchups and a place where Pittsburgh has lost 4 of the last 5 playoff games. They're gonna have to win one at The Joe to win the series, so we'll see if they have what it takes on Saturday night.
14 big wins down, but the last 2 will be the toughest of them all.
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14 big wins down, but the last 2 will be the toughest of them all.
But they will be the most glorious! Great game tonight. I’ve been reading quite a few recaps. They all come down to saying one thing: Detroit has run out of gas, and the Pens are starting to take over.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ever wonder why...
The American auto industry failed? It’s run by Red Wings fans.

by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FAIL
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bucking trends
some things to note thus far during this playoffs.
the pens goal production in the first two games of a series is around 3/game
the pens goal production through the rest of each series is 3.61
the pens gaa in the first two games of each series is 2.75
the pens gaa for the rest of each series is 2.69
that tells me that danny b is making great adjustments as the series go on and the pens are wearing down the opposing goalies (breaking them alal ivan drago)
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bleh. Stats are disgusting. I think it just takes Malkin a few games to get riled up.

You don’t want to piss off the big guy. I don’t know why they try to rile him up?
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think gorg is either drunk as a monkey or really really stoked
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All i have to say is Jan Hrdina;) It’s been a long hard road for a long time.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah the names of penguins past. kinda like brian smolinski
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alexie morozov
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was going to come back after the lockout. He was one of those fringe free agents that were talked about. Long term deal in the KHL, right?
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think so. another good one was marcus naslund. i think we all saw his potential but man did it suck to see him tear up western conferance goalies and not wear a pens uni
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same thing with
shawn
MCHERERAN!!!
loved shawn mac
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
but at least spell these players’ names properly…
Shawn McEachern
Markus Naslund
Aleksey Morozov
Bryan Smolinski
Where hockey injuries in San Diego are thumb blisters from playing too much NHL 09
by Will Bulldozer on Jun 5, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry o great sharks fan that my spelling does not match thou’s expectations
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stojanov!
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by James Mirtle on Jun 5, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder what mr mirtle thought of the game and if he buys into the theory of momentum
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and also i have never ever seen a must win game 5 before when the series is tied but thats what it is for the red wings. again i will scream capitals untill im blue in the face. it wasnt that the capitals blew thier 2-0 lead on the pens by choice, the pens took the series from them via heart and will. i think and hope we are seeing the same thing here
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Game 5 is more of a must-win for the Pens than the Wings. Think about it, the Wings are tough at home, and won the first 2 games there. If the Pens steal game 5, then they can bring it back home to Pittsburgh and clinch there. If they lose game 5, then it’ll hopefully be back to Detroit for Game 7. It’s up to the Pens right now to take control. Can they exert their will on Detroit? I’m super pumped to find out.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a word? yes!
they have ripped this series away from the wings. flower has found his groove and osgood looks more and more unsure with every game
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Osgood looks like he couldn’t even catch herpes from a hooker.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh…wow….lol
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate to bust your balls on this one but...
the pens gaa in the first two games of each series is 2.75
the pens gaa for the rest of each series is 2.69
although i think your first stat is a really good point…and this one does seem to KINDA point out a trend. but i think you’re kinda stretching with this one to make a point.
with a diff of .06 gaa, you’d need 16.67 games (for both game 1-2’s & 3-on apiece) to have an actual ENTIRE goal difference between the two numbers. since the pens have only played 13 non 1/2 games & IF they played thirteen 1-2 games at their current rate. they’d only have a .78 of a goal more when comparing the total 1-2 games goals vs 3-on game goals
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic Stanley Cup Final Series
This pens team sure looks like they can handle the Wings pretty well- I expect this to go 7 games :) – (sorry pens fans, I know that you all want to take it in six- but I want to enjoy every possible game left) Anyway, my Canes arent looking so bad right now- you take a CLASS A +++++ Penguins team, that are handling the Redwings quite well, and I now realize how out played and out classed my Canes team was- but hey, thats ok, for anyone that disagrees- go play against Malkin and Crosby and see how things turn out…..probably wont be good- just ask the cup holding wings- I dont think it will be long before old stanley is passed back to the eastern conference- 3 games max!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you sir.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pens looked awesome tonight, and the Wings looked slow…..I truly believe that y’all have this series. But, as a hockey fan, I hope that you take it in game 7, I love this matchup- it is really fantastic and I want to see a couple more games before the season is over- and granted- I know that you want it in 6 and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, if I were a huge pens fan, I would want the same- but I am loving this matchup right now- fantastic hockey.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all four games have been fantastic. this is must watch tv and if the ratings arent through the roof its a travesty. there is no reason why the nhl can not and should not find its way back to espn… get rid of the friggin world series of poker !!!!!!!!!
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont even get me started- I AM SO PISSED THAT THIS GAME WAS ON VERSUS!!!! WTF!!!!! Once I got into the NHL, I never turned back- and this sport is awesome and deserves mass-media attention and prime time television
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so happy right now
I really believe that we are capable of beating Detroit and winning the Cup.
Also, I love that for the most part Hossa has been shut down. He has been a pest in the offensive zone but hasn’t been racking up the goals.
by Cari on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
theya re keeping most of the wings skill players bottled up outside. must suck bad to run head first into your own defensive scheme
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I thought the wings were so deep;)
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game 7 Cari- my bet is that in game 7 the eastern conference takes back the cup, and the Detroit Red Wings will go through a major team change, and not be back again for quite some time….kinda like what happened to the Islanders back in the day.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont count on that major team change. although it will be intresting to see if hossa signs with them should the loose
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah- hahahaha, I cant help but to laugh at the thought of Hossa sitting on the bench watching Malking and Crosby carry the cup. Actually, I give Hossa a 35/65 chance of resigning with Detroit if the pens win, 0% (he will chase the $$$) if Detroit wins. Pens are a class act- they won’t take him back, nor do they need him and I dont think that he fits in their cap. Pens want players that believe in the organization, and after what Hossa did last year, I do not believe that he will take him back- nor should they.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wings can’t afford him. They’re already committed to $51M for next season, and that doesn’t include any goaltender, or Hossa. They also have key role players coming up for new contracts, too. I’m also guessing that Hossa’s value has seriously tanked. He’s not going to get another 9-year $81M contract from the Oilers after this season. He’ll take what he can get, and appreciate it. The Wings will just not be able to offer him enough.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had decent regular season stats, and I do think that some team will dump a lot of money into him- but during these finals- when I hear his name I think of “wheres waldo”.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t see how Hossa is possible for the Red Wings. They have $51 million in contracts for next season with just 16 NHL players accounted for. And they still have key pieces like Jiri Hudler and Mikael Samuelsson to re-up.
Even with Zetterberg and Franzen signing the long-term contracts, it doesn’t provide THAT much cap relief. Z’s contract pays him ~$7.5 million for nine years before it drops off and his cap hit is still $6 million a year.
Franzen’s contract will pay him $5 million for seven years before it drops off and his cap hit is still $4 million a year.
So is Hossa gonna take $6-7m per year (and still have a cap hit of around $5 million)? There’s no doubt he’s worth it, but Detroit has so much tied up you have to wonder if they can make it fit.
Still, if anyone can, it’s the Red Wings so we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
Personally, win or lose I think Hossa’s going to the highest bidder for $7-8 million a season long-term this off-season.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 5, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
send his but to the coyotes
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!! Maybe they will give him a cactus instead of a signing bonus- yet still, as a hockey fan, I cannot blame him for signing with Detroit this year. He was a last minute trade to the pens, and as such, I cannot blame him for deciding on his own volition where he wanted to play this year. But, his comment that he thought he had a better chance with detroit was definitely unecessary. I am kinda neutral on the Hossa matter- I understand why Pittsburgh fans were so pissed, but I also understand that as a free agent (like I will be for the rest of my life) the man has a right to go where he wants to.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. it wasnt leaving, it was the way he left.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DEFINITELY!!!
Why didnt he just tell the organization he was not interested? Shero would have understood- Hossa was a hired gun for a cup run.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s shooting blanks this playoff year. Before this series started, he was tied for 20th in league scoring. 20th!
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok- I said before that I was fairly neutral on the Hossa matter (because I am a Canes fan) but if I were him, given the the risk of injury in this crazy a$$ sport, and the dramatic market value depreciation that could be caused by lackluster statistics/performance- I would have taken every dollar that the pens offered last year and held a party that would have deserved world-wide media coverage. I still wonder his train of thought on that decision- one year contract v. multi-million dollar year- maybe he is going to the Russian hockey league next year (jk).
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the decreasing salary cap because of economic downturns that may ultimately lead to some salary restructuring for a few teams…
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by FrankD on Jun 5, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pens i think will have to deal with it also. i think its safe to say geno and sid will probably be willing to restructure thier deals to continue to get to this point.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a percentage of marios wine cellar :)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not, I think the Pens are in pretty good shape for the next few years. This year will probably be easier than next year to deal with once the cap is lowered. Right now they could get rid of Guerin, Satan and be in the clear. The cap will probably increase in 3 years, which makes all of the Pens current contracts easy to deal with.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to buy a Satan Jersey if he signs with the Devils- so I hope you are correct!!!! HAHA
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he signs with the Devils I have a feeling he’ll go out like Mogilny…
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by FrankD on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quietly?
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think restructuring contracts is allowed in the NHL. It’s not in their CBA.
by RCheli on Jun 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I didn’t mean the actual players i meant teams – as in, cutting salaries to make sure there is room for the big guys. You’re right. I don’t think you can restructure a salary once it’s been negotiated.
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by FrankD on Jun 5, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True- actually, question – do you all think that there is any chance that the reason why Hossa only signed a one year deal is because he doesnt plan to stay in the states? Just a thought, but now I am kinda wondering why he didnt take the big deal- or maybe his agent just sucks.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got greedy. My guess is he wanted to gloriously win a cup this year, then go to a crappy team that was willing to pay him $9M, and be a superstar there without ever having to win a cup on his own.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But- that is a lot of risk to take. If he would have been upfront with Shero, besides his snide comments, maybe it would be understood. Again, I dont hate him, I just hate the way that he dealt with your organization.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw the Pens!
He should have signed with the Oilers for $81M and 9-years!!!!
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the oilers would be contenders if he signed. he strikes me as not wanting to carry a team but be a cog in a machine. not a leader in my book
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah- I just dont quite get him. Not sure what he is looking for. Maybe he is just lazy- he sure has been pretty lax during these finals- and I was hoping that he would help make things interesting in Pittsburgh.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!! I didnt even look at the aformentioned team, I saw the numbers and thought – SIGN NOW!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to add in the Wings not having any goaltenders signed for next season. Both Conklin and Osgood are free agents.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the way Osgood is playing, that may not be a bad thing for them.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Osgood is the best they can afford. They’ve chosen to spend their cap dollars elsewhere. I think Osgood makes less than 1.5M. That’s well below league average for a starting goalie. And it shows.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, at the same point, the pens kinda have the same problem. The pens have a lot of money invested in Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Gonchar, and a few others. So, taking that into account- I cannot really blame the wings for planning it that way. If Fleury doesnt perform at 5 mil a year, dont be surprised if Shero makes a trade.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thye wont deal flower unless there is a great goalie incoming. he still hasnt reached his potential
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nonsense osgood is a HoF’r due to his playoff numbers. yes this year he had a horbbile statistical year but when the second season starts he is dead on
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what is he doing for the wings right now? Not a whole lot. Granted, you have to take into account that he is facing two of the top three leading scorers, and Yoda style “score they will”, but he needs to be more clutch for the wings. And after winning two in Detroit, he has not done that.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now to the question
is osgoods play his own fault or induced by penguins pressure and skill. ask cam ward about that one.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, I think Cam Ward was statistically vulnerable in the series against the Pens. I chalk it up to the law of inevitability. It was inevitable that he was going to lose a game 2 eventually, likewise a series. He was also jinxed by every announcer known to hockey.
Biron? He play(ed) for the Flyers. I had a voodoo doll set up for him. That’s how I took him out. Same with Carter, Richards, and Hartnell. Those voodoo dolls sure work good! I even made Richards have double shoulder surgery for funzies!
Varlamov? He’s was bound to catch on to his team’s crappy defense. No black magic there. Just pure, voyeristic bliss. Destruction was inevitable. Mike Green as a Norris candidate?
And now, as far as Osgood is concerned? Need I say more?

by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZING!
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Detroit will still be around. They have a lot of talent signed. However, they won’t be able to put a complete team on the ice (see Flyers). They’re going to lose a lot when Lidstrom retires or becomes ineffective. And they very little room to sign free agents. They’ll be effective, but not as good as they are right now. This is the year for the Wings to win it.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they will continue to be a perinnial playoff team and who knows what happens in the playoffs. i think they have maybe one more run in them with nik. but you can really see his age starting to show. they need to get rid of kronwall, that dude has not played well at all. course no defenseman really does when they are matched up against a pissed of geno. yes gorg you can post your geno pic beating a redwing emblem again
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
game and blog. You really keep the info coming! Nice!
by CGNC on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Help Please?
So when all my Pens friends rip on my Hurricanes- I always quote “who was the last eastern conference team to win the cup?” After y’all grab it, what do I say- “who has the ugliest man in sports- Carolina- Brind’Amour.”
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh
Sam Cassell
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by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mark eaton. dude looks like an ostrige
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Staal goal
Am I alone in thinking that Staal doesn’t really know how good he can be, once he matures a bit? He is so big and long, once he really gets the game to slow down for him and starts seeing the angles a bit better and gets a bit more comfortable with his hands, I see a dominant physical force and 25+ goals. He’s already a load in the offensive zone controlling and cycling the puck, as well as a strong penalty killer, but I think he will get SO much better. I’m giddy.
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by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't Agree More
He’s still chasing the game right now in the offensive zone. He doesn’t quite have what it takes to dominate the game on that side of the ice yet, but he’s getting more and more comfortable. Plus, TK is really young, too. Give both of them a few years, and maybe other people will start noticing the Pens’ depth, too.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s already very good at controlling the puck in the offensive zone (he draws a ton of penalties because he’s so big and strong), but yeah, he doesn’t have great hands yet (seems a little rushed often) and he does chase the play. A few more years…man, he can be so good.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he needs to spend a lot of time playing with his brother, geno, and sid in the offseason
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think part of that is that he is on the third line. im willing to bet if you put a guy like satan or syko on his wing he numbers start increasing. hes still a 20g scorer. never mind that caputi may be coming up next year things could get very very ugly as far as the pens depth goes. ugly for opposing teams that is
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
I still don’t think he reads the angles very well in the offensive zone, and the game seems a little fast for him at times…but he’s only 20! Obviously he’s never going to have Crosby’s instincts, but he can become really, really good.
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by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt say never, but with time and jedi training he can be darn good. not yoda good but good none the less
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yoda = sid
anakin = geno
windoo = max
luke = staal?
had to throw that out there
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol- sorry oldtime, but after you win the cup and the hockey season is over, I implore you to watch some new movies. :) JK
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shenanigans on dissing the jedi referance
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah oldtime- I respect the force! You go get em tiger!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note- I really enjoy blogging with you guys here at pensburgh- pretty cool.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some of us take a homeristic view of the team but for the most part its pretty balanced and so long as you dont come in screaming the nhl loves cindy then you usually get a darn good convo
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true! Hey, I live in Pittsburgh, and am starting to enjoy the sports fans here- they are die hard fans, but if you want to talk about it- they are kicka$$ fans that will enjoyably do so respectably. Again, my apologies for previously bad comments- I am really starting to enjoy this city- it just took me a little bit to get used to it. I am really starting to love living in Pittsburgh. But, I am staying a Canes fan- cannot help it- its in my blood already.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Oldtime, no new information to you padwan it is. JK!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man – Star Wars has invaded Pensburgh commentary. I can’t tell if this is a new low or not ;-)
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by FrankD on Jun 5, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame me you may FrankD, but blame me you should not- oldtime you should fault for quoting the wars of star. For the Penguins of Pittsburgh shall win the Cup of Stanley, with my butt on the line, please see the scores of final below. (darn- I suck at being Yoda!)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant idea this is. Talk backward I shall! Time to time from.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.
by Lavender on Jun 5, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is not my fault
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fault yours is. Tired I am, zzzzz.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.
by Lavender on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fault it is oldtime, fault it is- for you brought up star wars you did.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 6, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll respect you more if you stay loyal to your team
buuut. if you would happen to pick up a new second fav then that wouldnt be bad
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey T1mmy-
I LOVE my Canes team despite the recent events for a lot of reasons;
1) I never expected to make the playoffs, and
2) As a small market team, making a million plus a game speaks volumes for how much JR will spend on our/the Canes cap next year.
Please, and i am asking nicely, NEVER DISPUTE my LOYALTY to the Carolina Hurricanes.
But, that doesnt mean that I cannot enjoy the rest of the NHL season- I really truly enjoy hockey- and albeit my team is out- that is ok- most teams are out at this time (with the exception of 2) as a Hurricanes fan, I will support my team to the end but that doesnt mean that I cannot enjoy positive conversations with other NHL fans on this site.
I am loyal to my team. But, I am loyal to the NHL- I love hockey, and do not want this season to end- for it is something that I truly enjoy. If you do not respect that, then so be it.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why the heck is that sentence crossed through? Sorry all if I hit the wrong button while typing.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will restate that because I am not sure what happened- I WILL SUPPORT MY TEAM TO THE END, NO MATTER WHAT!!!! But, since my team is playing golf right now, I want to enjoy watching the last two teams within the NHL battle for the Cup.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry i understand how was i typed could be read that way
but i didnt mean imply that you said that you’re switching allegiance to our team. you obviously never said that in your comment. i meant to come off that i’m backing you up in you staying loyal to your team….and possibly trying to recruit you as pittsburgh being your second fav team since you said you liked the city & fans. once again i’m sorry that i wasnt clear in making sure i wasnt calling you a bandwagon fan
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
woooow
should be
i understand how what i typed could be read that way
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad too Timmy- I shouldnt have gone crazy like that on that comment- but a Canes fan I am, and die hard as well- if i stay Pittsburgh- I will probably end up rooting for the pens- i will.
God, can someone please yell at Oldtime for starting Yoda speach? At what point does starwars talk belong on a manly “arharhar” hockey blog? lol- JK!! :)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 6, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Canes
2) Pens
3) Anyone who plays against the Capitals (at any time- even preseason)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 6, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i misread your comment- my apologies.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 6, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no need for apologies. i wasnt clear enough at all
by t1mmy10 on Jun 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he isnt talking about jarjar binks…
by t1mmy10 on Jun 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta admit, I am not a huge Staal fan. And as a Canes fan, I am DEFINITELY NOT A FAN OF ERIC GETTING CROSBY/MALKIN equivalent money next year!!!!! Jordan may mature into a great player- but I think that the Pens should trade him for some seasoned NHL’ers. Whether or not the pens win the cup this year, they will be there next year, but they may need to make some adjustments. And Jordan at that price, kinda like Eric, is a little expensive.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan isn’t too pricey. I think his contract is around $4M. J. Staal fits perfectly in the Pens’ lineup. I wouldn’t trade him at all. Give him 2-3 years, and you’ll see great things from him. E. Staal is a different case. Completely different type of player. I haven’t watched enough Canes games to get a good read on him. My gut instinct is to say that the Canes do not have enough scoring depth to support him. Geno or Sid would be a lot less effective without each other. That type of thing.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but, at 4 mil a year, given your cap numbers,
sorry to keep quoting this site (but I really think it is pretty cool) http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=PIT
the pens may want to trade him down the road. Then again, I am no Shero- and he will do the best for your team, but it is an option if he deems fit.
You guys are going to win the cup this year- I just feel it.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome link!
I think Staal’s production numbers are going to increase dramatically next year. Now, I’m going to go look at whole bunch of other teams on that site.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I am happy that I am not the only person that finds the site absolutely fantastic! It is pretty cool!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been looking for a good salary cap breakdown for awhile. Also, have any good, sortable lists of free agents? It seems like simplest information that you try to find is also the most difficult.
I’ve also been enjoying all the Off-Season game plans on TSN. Check those out yet?
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure- but I do remember seeing a decent free agent list a week ago or so- I just dont remember where it was from.
Hey, check out canescountry.com if you get a chance. I know that you arent a Canes fan (and y’all kicked our a&& in the ECF), but Bubba and Cory over there write a fantastic hockey blog. I am not trying to sell them as a Canes fan, but they provide a lot off good information from all over the league.
On a different note, I have never checked out the off season game plans of TSN- do you have a site for them? If so, please provide it as I am definitely interested in finding more NHL information.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i had the same issue at the end of the nfl season
the best thing to do is just search “nhl 2009 free agents” and just start looking through pages. odds are you’ll find a few ok ones in the first 5 pages of results.
thats what i did and came up with a few good ones. but they didn’t have anything for hockey freeagents on those sites
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check this website out-
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2009-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents-by-position/
I am not sure if it is correct or not, but it is what I found. In otherwords, if it is worthless, please dont blame me :)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php
how bout that? you’d prolly also be able to find someone out there who actually ranks all the free agents for different spots. keep looking i’m sure you’ll find something. i just have absolutely no clue when it comes to the nhl & free agency….the nfl is a faaaaar different story tho
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a big fan of NHL numbers. Huge help during the trade deadline
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by FrankD on Jun 5, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the more that I think about it, I think I did get that info from the canescountry site. I know that Pensburgh is just as awesome and dedicated to its fans, so, email either of the sites and I am pretty sure one of them will have the information- in the mean time, if I find it, I will definitely post it.
But, you shouldnt care about that right now, ’cause I am betting that the Pens win game 7 and take home the cup.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offseason game plans: http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11812
Also, i checked around on Hockey Buzz and they have a great free agent list here: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/freeagents.php
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is where I found it- that site is pretty kick-a$$! Tx gorgalor for posting that.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, part of me wants to say it’s because he is a third liner and doesn’t get near the scoring chances than if he was on a first or second line. However, my observations come from when he does have scoring chances. Staal’s not too intimidating with the puck. He has an average shot at best, and he needs a lot of space and time to come up with something creative. If you give Sid or Geno a phone booth to work in, and tell them to come up with a scoring chance in 1/10th of a second, they’ll show you 100 different ways to beat a goalie. If you give Staal the entire faceoff circle, and then go get him a cup of coffee, by the time you come back he might have come up with a few interesting things to try.
Not to rag on Staal. He just doesn’t have offensive dynamo in him. I’m absolutely sure he’ll improve with age and consistently be a 20-30 goal scorer. I just would be incredibly surprised if he ever nets more than 35 goals in a season. What’s he’s naturally good at is being a responsible, two-way center.
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I just think that his creativity, hands, and offensive feel will improve (he’s only 20!), and that coupled with his size and reach…watch out!
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by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure we’ll ever seen Jordan turn into the kind of offensive dynamo that Eric is. The big reason being that he’s not counted on to be the man in Pittsburgh. And thus, he doesn’t take up those big minutes. With Crosby and Geno taking up the 1 and 2 lines, and the lack of success Jordan’s had playing with those two players, I don’t think it’s likely that he’ll ever put up more than 30 goals and 60 points in a year so long as he’s centering the 3rd line, getting less PP time, and spending more time on the PK. Would that be so terrible? Not at all. Because we’ve already seen him turn out into a fairly well-rounded player. Great at faceoffs. And a backbone of the PK. Championship teams need players like Staal and Talbot just as much as you need players like Crosby and Geno.
My fear is that Jordan Staal will never realize his full potential b/c of those reduced minutes, And that would would always be hanging over his head as the #2 overall pick in a strong draft including Toews and Backstrom. Luckily Pittsburgh isn’t a demanding media market like god forbid Montreal. And Shero’s demonstrated patience in developing Staal.
Where hockey injuries in San Diego are thumb blisters from playing too much NHL 09
by Will Bulldozer on Jun 5, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, Staal seems content growing and developing out of the limelight. I’m sure that had something to do with the Pen’s decision to pick him 2nd overall. Imagine if the Pens chose Toews or Backstrom? I don’t think either of those players would be anywhere near content playing on a third line. Staal just seems to fit in very, very well with the Pens, and adds a dimension to his game that neither Crosby or Malkin excel at (not to say that they’re are Ovechkinesque liabilities).
by gorgalor on Jun 5, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kid's drove me INSANE this year sometimes
i sometimes thought the boy was just clueless this year when he was in front of the net with the puck. think i saw him fan on 3 shots in front of the goal against the rangers at the very end of the regular season.
but he no doubt made me eat all my words with his goal tonight. prolly changed the series with that one
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stall
he might think hes in his brothers shadow. once he matures hes going to be a killer player, and hes showing signs of it now.
by OLDSKOOLPENS on Jun 5, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once he matures hes going to be a killer player
Exactly. And he’s already pretty damn good at TWENTY!
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by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Predictions-
Ok- I am going to put my butt on the line for some scores-
Game 5- Redwings win 4-1 (Datsyuk back)
Game 6- Pens win 5-3
Game 7- Pens win 3-1 (I predict that it will be 1-1 going into the third, Staal goal makes it 2-1, and Crosby slams the empty-netter with a minute left.)
Pens get the cup, rip on me later for my calls- but if y’all win- I dont expect to hear any complaints regardless of whether I am correct or not.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a hockey fan- I really want this series to go 7 games!!!!!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
By the way, Brad Stuart; despite playing 635 of his combined 738 career games (reg season and playoffs) in the Western Conference has scored 9 of his 67 career goals (13.4% of his total goals) against Pittsburgh.
where’d you pull that stat outta? impressive knowledge
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Final Thoughts
This game was absolutely electricity on ice. It was the first finesse game of the series. I saw no stick work or neutral zone work by the Red Wings, who, as a result, were completely out of their element from opening puck drop to final horn.
I can’t say enough about how dominant the team was, and, thought they may groan or blow it off, I wonder what Wingers feel about how slow their team played defensively. Our forechecking was absolutely crap, no other way to really say it, through Games 1 and 2. Game 3 had us fighting extremely hard for those pucks dumped deep, but Game 4 we blew down and through people, and set up some quality chances regardless who was on ice.
I got to ponder the shape Lindstrom is in, and I wonder if #13, missing these games, would so much as be a wise choice to come back not at 100% as is with how the guys are after a game like this. Perhaps a jump start, but he hasn’t been himself in the Playoffs for the most part anyways.
Very curious to see how things move back to Detroit, and if we can hold this fire. If Game 5 is another finesse game, they may not have enough leg strength to skate to the bench for 2nd Intermission after a repeat performance, much less a Game 6 repeat performance. Probably thinking too much from this game’s astonishing performance, but it spoke volumes in the way Game 2 against Carolina reassured me we would sweep. You could see it in the defense, and, as Mr. Barry Melrose said, “The Penguins look like they believe they can win, and the Red Wings look like they believe that they can lose.”
Footnote. Winging It In Motown people, I understand we think penalties are a bit cross or vacant in the series thusfar, but calling every penalty that gets called against your Wings a dive, a flop, or an acting job by Penguin players amuses the heck out of me. Perhaps their thread just headed south quickly and needed the great ‘open mic night’ escape. Still, I dig the way karma works, a lot.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.
by Lavender on Jun 5, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yep, karmas a bitch… im only woried about the joe. those boards are freaky and i dont care what anyoen says they change the way the game is played. picture bumper cars with concrete barriers rather then tires
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are really pesky. Still, when you play a game with that much more speed than your opponent, the bounces off the boards are only the worry of the goalies. Hopefully, Flower has some film to catch himself at the Joe, otherwise, I just hope the Wings don’t remember how they played through the first three games.
I don’t know the stat, but I certainly feel like turnovers were on our side.
Also about Karma: Daniel Cleary, I know you may think you’re Evgeni Malkin, trying to get something over at the end of a game to start up your team heading home, but on Brooks Orpik? That failed miserably. I assume it be some kind of, ’I’ll show you,’ or, ‘it won’t be like this come Game 5,’ kind of thing, but when you’re trying to do that, be sure to come out on top of it. Orpik took him down and got a little noogie in there. It was kind of a nonsense thing, so much to the point I don’t think many took the guy seriously when he did it. That’s where we are, and that’s where they have fallen. Take this hot puck into the Joe, and melt the ice with it. It’s going to be the game of the series, no matter who you root for.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.
by Lavender on Jun 5, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pens looked awesome tonight- and the wings were caught up playing their (the pens) game- quick, fast, up and down the ice. The wings cannot beat the pens playing that way. I truly believe that the pens will take the cup, and that the wings will continue to look “slow.” The wings will win one more game- and that is it. Please see my above predictions although my thoughts are somewhat worthless.
Regardless, as a somewhat neutral party- this is going to be one hell of a stanley cup finals- strap your seatbelt in, this is going to go to a pivotal game 7. I only hope that when it does, it will be televised on national tv, and all the non-NHL fans will watch and give the sport a lot of respect- there is nothing harder in sports than to win a Stanley Cup- and I truly believe that the Pens will do it this year. With Hossa watching from the bench, remembering how it could have been, and Shero knowing that he could not have put this team together at the F/A period end with a “Hossa” cap hit- the pens are a better team without Hossa, and I don’t understand why most Pens fans think otherwise.
Pens in 7.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hinge it on the Game 5 performance of the Red Wings. This series will go as far as they want it to. They can either play like this again in Detroit, and end it in 6, or play the way they had through three games and make it to your Game 7 for, what could be, the best Stanley Cup battle ever….at least in my time, but that’s because it always use to be about Detroit verses Colorado ;-)
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 minutes for hijynxing.
by Lavender on Jun 5, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy
Lavender-
Pens are going to take this series in game 7- I just have a feeling about it. And I am not a pens fan (as you know) and rooted against them for most of the year in hopes of my ’Canes team making the playoffs instead of them- it was quite the battle and my team fared poorly during the Eastern Conference Final- but it was not because my Canes team was bad, it was because the Pens team is truly THAT AMAZING! Between Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, etc. etc. the pens are one kick-a$% team!
I truly believe that Detroit is done, slow, and tired. Datsyuk is already playing Augusta in his mind, Zetterberg cannot keep on holding back Crosby, and Malkin is going to rip a crapload of goals off in the next three games and take home the Conn Smythe.
Pens in 7- laugh at me later- but if I am correct, I know that you wont. :)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "high sticking call"
They really needed to call something else, cause how is it a high stick if the guys face was down on the ice where it dosen’t belong. I’m not saying it shouldn’t have been a penalty but how in the hell is it a high stick.
by JasonGoPens on Jun 5, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looked like an 'even up' call
on a well sold marginal high stick to Kunitz (it grazed his helmet, but his reation seemed a 1/2 second late).
There was definitely nastier stuff from both sides allowed throughout the game.
by chicos_pants on Jun 5, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PittsburghCaniac
Did you live in Raleigh? I live in Charlote now and I am from Miami originally and am a huge Pens fan even though I have NEVER been to Pittsburgh.
by CGNC on Jun 5, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s a shame he’s in graceland and dosen’t like Elvis…if you get the analogy…:-)
by JasonGoPens on Jun 5, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just curious, how did (or why did) you become a pens fan?
all of my first loyalties (incl. the wings) are an accident of birth/geography, but that’s obviously not the case for you and the Pens….
by ahtrap on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I became a Pens fan
I knew NOTHING about hockey games until Miami got the Florida Panthers. I worked with a guy who explained the rules to me and then they had that miracle run I think in 1996 or 1997- I watched the games and saw the series between them and this black and yellow team that was flying around and exciting to watch (if you ever suffered through an old Panthers Devils game you know how much of a snooze fest that could be). So I learned about them and been a fan ever since. Second hockey game I ever went to Mario was awarded a penalty shot against the Beazer and made one of those crazy I have the puck behind me goals. Hooked ever since I tell ya :-D
by CGNC on Jun 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
Trust me, there are lots of Pittsburgh expats who are ambivalent about fans with absolutely no connection to the ‘Burgh (traditionally more of a Steeler thing). No one wants to get lumped into the bandwagon when they’ve followed these teams loyally for years for the exact same reason you’re a Wings fan.
It’s gotten much easier to follow out of market teams in most sports, which makes factors other than birth/geography increasingly relevant. Maybe some Pens fans followed Sid in the juniors where he was a national sensation. In DC (where I now live), many Russian ex Pats have taken to the Caps because they have some marquee countrymen.
And trust me, there are many surprisingly loyal Pirate fans in the diaspora who, like the Lions faithful, wonder why they even bother.
by chicos_pants on Jun 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes- I absolutely lived in Raleigh before- and living there got me into hockey. I came to Pittsburgh for business reasons but will always be a huge canes fan. And who cares if you never have been to Pittsburgh- if you are a pens fan, then you are a hockey fan- and that to me is pretty kick-a&& cool!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 6, 2009 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Dreams
Anyone else thing Ozzie had nightmares of Malkin on breakaways? LOL
by CGNC on Jun 5, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He said “we still haven’t played our best yet”
when is this going to get old…do we get any credit for how we played, maybe WE contained them, maybe WE outskated them, maybe WE forced turnovers, maybe MAF is playing his best. It’s just the same old same old, if the supposed better team loses they say we haven’t played our best game yet, instead maybe we took you off your game…just my 2 pieces of copper.
by JasonGoPens on Jun 5, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here’s the thing, as an athlete, you can’t admit being roughed up in the middle of a series, even if that’s exactly what is happening. Pittsburgh had a glorious 6 minute run where they forced the Wings into turnovers leading to odd man rushes, and absolutely spanked the Wings.
But the Red Wings can’t say that in an interview, lest that germ of doubt start creeping in.
You know how hockey is…last round, the caniacs among us were spitting venom at the Pens, saying all the same things…but you go through the handshake line, and reality hits, and the players will be gracious, if the Pens do end up winning….
by ahtrap on Jun 5, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
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by CBKWit on Jun 5, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Red Wings can’t say that in an interview, lest that germ of doubt start creeping in
just because it isnt said in public doesnt mean in rpivate they are highly concerned. i wonder if the reports of infighting in the dressing rooms last night after the game has any creedance. ah i wouldnt say that it was that 6 minute span that put the wings away last night. the pens played a fabulous 40 to 50 minutes. its just the second period was where the efforts paid off. however once they got the 2g lead they stopped skating and went defensive
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hadn’t heard about the infighting, but I definitely agree, the Red Wings are worried, same as the Pens and their fans were fretting after the first two games. But, you have to agree, publicly, they’re going to keep a poker face about how the Pens might be getting under their skin.
Here’s hoping that Babcock has a magic elixir, or Datsyuk can come back and contribute…
by ahtrap on Jun 5, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were reports on this mornings sports center (around 4 am when i go to bed)
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt get any cred from the flyers or caps either. the canes team and thier fanbase were just about the only fans to say you out played us. intresting
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Malkin hasn’t beaten him yet, so probably not yet….
I see baove how you guys are ripping on Osgood, but I’m not faulting him for any of the goals except for Staal’s. The last two were tap ins by a guy standing wide open at the side of the net, after great passes (Malkin getting stuffed by the sliding D-man, and luckily getting the puck right back on his stick, and Sid’s laser). What’s a goalie supposed to do on that?
by ahtrap on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
split himself in two like an ameoba
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
as much as i joke around with how i dont think osgood isn’t good (playoffs excluded, which also happen to be the most impt time of the year to be good) it looked to me like his D really let him down this game. if i was a Detroit fan i’d put the blame on this one squarely on poor special team performance & poor D
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but again how much of that poor play was induced by the pens? i think we may not be giving cred where its due. the pens have been flying for all four games. with as fast as they are i find it hard for anyone not to get worn down. look at the GpG in the first two games vs the rest of the series and the GAA for the first two games and the rest of the series all palyoff season long for pittsburgh. GAA drops by about half a goal after game 2 and gpg goes up almost a full goal after game 2
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
detroit bad play/pittsburgh good play i didnt mean to take a side
i didnt mean to imply it was only detroit bad play, obviously our players did some amazing things & i didnt mean to take anything away from them. i just always know when i’m looking at my team i always say “so and so isnt playing good enough” regardless if he’s sucking more than normal or other guy is playing outta his mind.
and if its my team thats doing good, i tend to say “our player is doing really well,” instead of “theirs is playing bad.”
and since i was trying to look at it from his point of view thats why i used the wording i did
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i had to choose a side i’d say it was pittsburgh out playing detroit
by t1mmy10 on Jun 5, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I would put it ALL on the poor D (though there was definitely some of it during the course of the game). But I would also mention the lack of sufficient back-checking by Detroit’s forward core.
We have already talked about how Z was obviously pretty tired from being used so much to blanket Sid, but you also took away a young wing in Abdelkader and put in the older Draper who hadn’t had game-speed minutes for a few games. I think that may have opened up some chances for the Pens as well.
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington
by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now insert a wounded daytsuk
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not understand why Babcock is “blowing up” his line ups like this…maybe a bit of desperation? who knows…
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington
by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add to my post a bit…Abdelkader has more goals in the playoffs than Datsyuk does!
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington
by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs















