Pavel Datsyuk expected to play in Game 5: Will it hurt or help?
by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
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With the announcement today by Detroit Red Wings coach Mike Babcock that forward, and NHL-MVP candidate, Pavel Datsyuk is expected in the line-up on Saturday for Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Finals, a question comes to mind: Will Datsyuk's return help or hinder his team in their quest for a back-to-back championship?
Personally, I don't know what has changed in the last 20-some-odd hours to make Datsyuk's return inevitable for tomorrow. It is also a bit weird for Babcock to come right out and announce yet another line-up change so early before Game 5. I was under the impression that it is a strategic advantage to let the other team stew for as long as possible about your line-up in order to get them to spend time preparing for various different line combinations, in the attempt to get them to waste time. Now, with the proverbial "cat out of the bag", Babcock is setting up Datsyuk to step in as the "knight in shining armor and save [the Red Wings]" as Detroit Goalie Chris Osgood puts it.
In fact, we need to look at Datsyuk's inevitable return as a gamble, one that may ultimately back-fire and give the Penguins just what they and their fan base would go bonkers over; a chance to close out the series and hoist Lord Stanley's Cup in their own house, Mellon Arena.
Datsyuk has a paltry 1 G and 6 A in 13 games played this post-season, hardly inspiring. To compare, lets look at Phillipe Boucher (Pittsburgh Defenseman) who has 1 G and 3 A in 9 games. Perhaps it is unfair to compare the two, considering Datsyuk is one of the 3 candidates for the Hart Memorial Trophy based on his regular season play. But I think we need to look at just what Detroit will be getting out of this line-up change.
We have already seen a line-up change from Game 3 to 4, which resulted in lack-luster play by Detroit's various lines and an overall sense of weariness from the Red Wing bench. Would another change less than 48 hours later provide a better performance? Or would it cause the listing ship to take on more water? Marian Hossa seems to think that Datsyuk's return would help stabilize the team, and re-energize them and their home crowd for Saturday's game. To the media he stated:
"It's always tough when one of the best players can not play," Hossa said. "It would be a huge boost for the team if Pav can play. He couldn't go (in Game 4), and we're still hoping for the next game."
Grasping at straws or is this the Yellow Brick Road that will lead them to the merry land of Lord Stanley again?
With 4 games in 6 nights in the bag, the next 2 will take 5 days to play. But the most important game for both teams will be on Saturday, when one squad will assert themselves firmly in the driverseat headed to the promised land.
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it depends largely on the nature of the foot injury. having played with a broken foot before i can tell you that his first step wil be very very difficult to take. once he gets going though the actual skatting motion wont hurt him that bad. stopping on that foot will be very painfull also. then you have to wonder if he will be willing to get involved in the corners much as well as blocking shots or even getting in the way of shots. my personall feeling is (and this goes back to gonchars injury in the semis) that if he cannot take an effective first step and his mobility is hampered that bad he shouldnt play. there are a lot of players performing well for the wings and to pull one of those guys in favor of a wounded dats is not wise imho.
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Those very closely echo what i have been thinking. Especially after Babcock changed up the D-pairings and the shadowing of Zetterberg on Crosby for Game 4. It didn’t seem to work too well for him there.
If Dats does suit up and play, I expect a healthy dose of the Penguins following through with contact on the guys with the puck. It would be silly for Datsyuk to play unless he is at or near 100%, but he still is risking getting re-hurt and putting pressure on the other guys during the game to take his minutes.
He has also been out for what? 7 games? It will be interesting seeing that first step from him come Saturday.
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
the stress on the bone (iff its broke) or on the ankle (if its his ankle) is tremendous during that first step. i had broken my arch and i was crying by the end of the game…hurt like a mofo
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt it, there is a lot of pressure being applied constantly to the bones in the foot. If he is a go for Game 5, will he get hurt and be scratched for Game 6 (further destroying the line-cohesion for the Red Wings?)
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
doubtfull. its called cortozone and morphine
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but if he blocks a shot and that foot shatters, yeah the wings will be really REALLY screwed. they are taking a huge risk in trying to alleviate the ice time issues with zetters. dats goes down again they just doubled his ice time
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Crosby have a broken bone or something last year in the Finals? Would you say the same about him? He shouldn’t play because others in the lineup are doing well enough. I don’t think so. A Datsyuk at 75% is still better than a handful of the Wings in the lineup… Hudler, Samuelsson, Holmstrom, and Leino to name a few. Besides, what are the Wings saving him for… the offseason?? There is no “next round”. Having him for the Finals and able to play is worth the risk. Even if he was to miss some regular season next year… which is highly unlikely with a 2 month resting period. If so… who cares. The Cup is the important thing. It’s not like a bruised or broken foot is life or career threatening… well unless your name is Peter Forsberg;)
Two seasons ago I think Sid had three broken toes and a fractured foot in the first round loss to Ottawa. I know he wasn’t 100% but you could hardly tell. It’s not like he skated with a drag in his step or anything. Guess the trainers taped aspirin to it.
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meh
Broken toes are nothing for hockey players. When I played they would tell us not to take off our skates between periods if we thought we had broken toes, because the toes would swell and we wouldn’t be able to get the skates back on.
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Personally, I don’t know what has changed in the last 20-some-odd hours to make Datsyuk’s return inevitable for tomorrow.
them losing last game.
realistically, he was probably pretty close to playing last game and they just didnt want him doing more harm than good. plus it could be that they were saving him for the homestretch. maybe he has the capability in playing in a few games with his injury but only a few before he’d need to take a long break again.
there are 2 things to be concerned about (one that you touched on):
1) it just really depends what kinda form he comes back in. the regular season datsyuk (#1 in points on the team). or the post season datsyuk (1 g in 13 games & having an points/game avg less than half his regular season avg)
2) detroit simply having him on the bench and doing an occasional shift could do a lot for their moral. remember when gonchar came back for us?
oh i agree the emotional lift he will provide will be huge, and the wings will come out with a fire under thier butts. but again part of the reason why the gooch return was as sucessfull as it was was because of the 7 dmen. in this case to limit his ice time and allow him to play effectivly in key situations you would have to scratch one dman. who do you scratch and who gets double shifted? you cant double shift lid or rafalski at this point because of thier age and responsabilities. they need to be fresh every single shift dealing with sid and geno. you cant double shift kronwall or ericksson, they have take some quesitonable penalties and it looks like the pressure of the finals is effecting them, particularly ericcson. now if dats is flying then i will obviously be eating these words.
do tou scratch a forward and double shift someone up front? again who?
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
good point. but i would scratch a forward (it did also sound like they would probably scratch lebda) & double shift someone up front. and couldnt they split the double shifting responsibilities between 2 guys kinda like how we were with malkin & geno?
i wouldnt scratch a Dman cuz if one got injured it’d b pretty rough finishing the game with only 4
exactly. now your in a really bad spot because you are essentially playing with 11 and a half forwards should dats be hobbled badly.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
but if he’s hobbled that badly, i doubt he woulda been able to practice the past few days. we played great a while back with only 11 forwards (granted the ppl we were double shifting were 10 years younger than the ppl detroit would have to). assuming datsyuk is able to play at least 5/6 min & they spit the left over time between 2 ppl that only about an extra 1/1:30min they’d each hafta pick up. that may very well be asking a lot since they seemed pretty tired last game.
but i’m betting datsyuk is healthy enough to play at least 6 min or else babcok wouldnt be thinking about letting him in the lineup.
i think the bigger issue for detroit is tasking datsyuk with covering crosby to give zetterberg a break from it. he goes out and has a bad shift or two getting back into the groove (not unthinkable that he hasnt played in 2 weeks) that could result in some great opportunities for crosby
If Datsyuk plays… he will play more than 6 minutes. You can count on that. Datsyuk would not be happy sitting on the bench. He is ready to play. Last year the Wings went with Datsyuk on Crosby and Zetterberg on Malkin I believe. That is a matchup that suits Pav and Z better since Datsyuk is faster and Z is stronger. I wouldn’t be surprised if Babcock tried to get Datsyuk away from Crosby and Malkin just to get some offense going and not make Dats worry so much about defense.
from another thread
The x factor in the equation tomorrow is obviously does Datsyuk play? If he does how effective is he? How Mobile is he? Is his timing there? Will his injury prevent him from logging significant ice time? How will his injury affect his ability to match up against either Sidney or Geno? To me there are just too many questions to answer and given the nature of his injury (foot) I find it hard to believe he will have that significant of an impact. I also would not put it past the pens to go after that foot (Matt Cooke anyone). Part of the reason Gonchars return in the semis was effective was because Bylsma was able to mitigate his ice time and put him in advantageous situations. That really can’t be done in this case for the red wings because of age, and defensive responsibilities. I go into this a bunch more in the thread discussing dats’s return.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
again, broken foot super painfull and slow first step regardless of whatever medication they put him on, and you need to be flying to keep up with sid
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
This goes to my point though, that now you are substituting a (relatively) healthy and younger Lebda for an older and questionable Datsyuk. With the Wings already a bit winded from the last 4 games, I think Babcock is gambling that his guys can keep up the pressure on the Penguins stars.
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t bring up age in this situation. Lebda is 27 and Datsyuk is 30. Datsyuk is a Hart and Selke candidate. Lebda is a sixth defeseman. I don’t see them going with only 5 D-men though. They would likely take out Leino or Maltby. Most likely Leino. Leino plays similar to Z and Dats offensively but is not nearly as good defensively yet, nor is he nearly as fast.
after maltbys performance last night i would say to pull him actually
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
overall
i think babcock is grasping at straws here trying to find lightning in a bottle. dats will have an impact but nothing significant imo
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 5, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Yup, I think his impact will be more on the morale than actual on-ice performance.
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 5, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t grasping at straws yo. Think of Datsyuk to the Wings as Crosby is to the Pens. Would you say the same if Bylsma was struggling to get Crosby in the lineup because of an injury? No way, you would want him in their if at all possible. Datsyuk will help the power play a lot and will help in the puck possession department. He may not have many goals this postseason, but he still looked good. He had many chances and played very well defensively as always. He looked the same as always, the puck just wasn’t going in for him. It happens. Again, would you say that Crosby wasn’t playing well in Games 1-3 just because he wasn’t on the scoresheet? Not a chance. Players can play well without scoring, sure it helps when your stars are scoring, but if they are being assertive and playing their normal game, then you can’t complain. Pavs has to go up against top defensive guys every game, so it’s not going to be easy.
it is a foot injury, its not like its a sholder or wrist. you know darn well if you dont have the wheels you cant play. i highly doubt that if his foot is anywhere near 75% he will beable to keep up with regular shifts. particularly at the end of the game regardless of what his conditioning may or may not be. the bottom line is he will need to beable to move with out pain. reports are that he is still hobbled and has issues turning and stopping with weight on that left foot.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
if hes 100% ready to go and makes a major impact obviously i will eat my words but i jsut dont see it with a broken foot.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember that guy by the name of Steve Yzerman. He played through the entire 2002 playoffs with one leg. The other knee was worthless. Yet he still managed very well. Don’t underestimate the heart and tolerance of these guys. I say again… IF Datsyuk plays, it will be because he feels he can play and not be a liability. It was HIS choice if he was going to play in Game 4, just like it will be in Game 5. I also highly doubt he has a broken foot. My feeling is that it was a bone bruise. But, who knows. We will see soon enough. Heck… it could be a broken hand for all we know, it’s not like they “have” to tell the truth or anything. Just know that if he plays, he will be a better option offensively than most on the Wing’s roster.
STUPID BILL BELICHEK!!
it’s not like they "have" to tell the truth or anything
i blame the hoodie for injury shenanigans. obviously he will be better then most on the wings aat 100%, i just dont know about 75%
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
are you honestly comparing stevei y to dats (er vice versa) thats rather lofty. but how much you wanna bet that the last two games has him thinking he NEEDS to play vs what he feels he can do?
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, a hefty dose of desperation has seemed to sneak its way into the Detroit locker room and you have to wonder how much the last 2 games has affected the decision to dress Datsyuk.
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 6, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Just having gotten over a fractured (only) foot myself, it is an injury that takes TIME, which is something they haven’t got anymore…..and the drugs IF he tries would probably affect a number of areas of his game such as judgment….I agree with you on the emotional lift….I remember Saku Koivu coming back a few years ago for Montreal as an “El Cid” (geez, am I dating myself?) against the Pens in the playoffs and they pulled it out!!!! That scares me, but hopefully if he plays he will be more of a liability than an asset!!!!!!!!!
He wouldn’t play if he was a liability. He’s been out a couple of weeks, not a couple of days. The only thing that will affect his game is the time off, not the injury. Remember, these guys play through a lot more pain then we ever realize.
i know its been a couple of weeks, that foot is just now starting to heel. he takes so much as a pass off the skate in the wrong spot hes screwed.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
er heal
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That is also an important point to note: How much will his time off have affected his conditioning? He hasn’t been able to skate a lot (much less rigorously), so will he have the gas to play enough to affect the game?
The main reason I asked the question (whether his comeback would hurt or help) was because it seems like a lot of Red Wings (not the ones that post here…you guys are cool and down to earth), are acting like his return signals the end of the series…no use playing the next 2 or 3 games, Pav is back, bring out the Cup!
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 6, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
well the mental lift could be HUGE…..(see Cole’s return in the 06 finals) but if he can not play at his best he does NOT need to be taking up a spot better filled by someone else…..yes I did think this out….the Wings fans need to think this out before they start talking…….and Cole’s return took 2 games to be effective and was not a foot injury, like this on Datsyuk…….
grasping at straws
All the debate obscures one essential fact about playoff hockey: if you can physically play, you play. Period. The fact that Datsyuk has missed so many games suggests to me that he is really nursing a serious injury, and that he likely wouldn’t play unless Detroit was a little desperate. No team would be so arrogant as to play a Cup Finals series at less than full strength unless they needed to; not even the Red Wings are that arrogant, and they are a really, really arrogant team.
As far as his potential impact, I watched the Anaheim series, and for all practical purposes Datsyuk was a scratch then as well. Completely ineffective. The Penguins should be used to their opponents manipulating the media cycle at this point, and hopefully they’ll shrug at the prospect of the Wings adding a gifted but hobbled player to the lineup Saturday.
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Agreed. In all likely hood the gameplay would hardly be changed with Dats back in the line up. Bylsma will still stick to his up-tempo strategy and the Pens will not play any different than Game 4.
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 6, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark Madden claimed that after the second game- the pens would not lose again- BUT, I provided scores.....(and I am quite worthless, that is why I am not on the radio and he is)
I am posting this again, because if I am correct, I want some darn credit for them:
Game 5- Redwings win 4-1 (Datsyuk back)
Game 6- Pens win 5-3
Game 7- Pens win 3-1 (I predict that it will be 1-1 going into the third, Staal goal makes it 2-1, and Crosby slams the empty-netter with a minute left.)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 6, 2009 4:08 AM EDT reply actions
fail on predicting a wings win on a pens board when you are adobting the pens
FAIL FAIL FAIL
;P
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 6, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to see the Pens skate back into Mellon with a 3-2 lead but I also know winning at the Joe is a feat in and of itself. I don’t know if 4-1 is all that likely and I also don’t see Datsyuk playing a huge factor. I am, however, still a bit weary of Hossa.
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I dont see Dats leading a scoring charge leading to a 4-1 loss for the Pens either…I just think he is too banged up to have an effect more than simply emotional.
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 6, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It all depends on how serious the injury is. If it is really that bad(which I’m guessing it is, or he wouldn’t have missed all those games) then he is going to get hurt because the pens will be gunning for him by putting Staal, Cooke, and Kennedy on the ice whenever he even looks like he might jump on, and lets face it, Cooke does play with more than a bit of an edge. If dats goes down in the middle of the game, that is going to destroy the RWs moral.
It sucks that they are going to be targeting the injured guy, but thats what happens when you are hurt.
Pens in 6!
Everybody does it…The Canes did it to Gonch early on, and even the Red Wings made it a point in the first couple games to lay a body on him. Like you said, its what happens when you are hurt. I’d be upset if the Penguins didn’t TRY and take any advantage they could (not saying to play dirty, but lay it on thick whenever he is out there).
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 6, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Datsyuk = Distraction
This is just a distraction from Babcock. He is trying to throw the Pens off. If Datsyuk DOES return, he won’t be 100%, so who cares?
Speaking of head games, how about the Pens coming out and saying that the Wings are tired? Talk about getting into their heads! It seemingly worked, too.
Yeah i noticed how tired the wings looked in game 5…Dats didnt look to distracting, so the PENS might want to care. of course if how the PENS react is any indication to how the rest of the series will go.
BABS can distract away.!
By the way …Has anyone thought of sending BELCHY Blysmth a case of pepcid? whats up with the postgame interview urps?
Datsyuk
I realize this thread is about Datsyuk, but here’s a for what it’s worth. As a fan with a primary interest elsewhere, what I saw last game from the Pens is EXACTLY what it takes to beat the Wings regardless of who they have in their lineup. When Detroit is able to slow the game down to a defensive nightmare, they are near impossible to beat. Conversely, when a younger team forces them end to end constantly, keeps the tempo of the game fast and finishes every single check without trying to repeat the Kronwall on Havlet hit, the Wings make A LOT of mistakes. One crucial, and I do mean absolutely crucial piece, however, is that you must do this for at least 50 minutes of the game. As we saw in Chicago, the wings can do major damage in just five minutes of you let up. Spread that ten minutes of 90% effort across the game in small increments, you will do fine. Game 3 was good, game 4 was dominant. Bring that game to the Joe and you will win.
Just my .02
I agree with you. The Pens ability to dump and chase making the Detroit D-men to keep turning around was essential to the strong forecheck that developed in the later half of the 2nd and most of the 3rd periods of Game 4.
If the Pens are able to replicate the effort and success of Game 4, it won’t matter if Datsyuk is 110% because he won’t be getting the puck enough to produce the necessary offense. (Ok…I just realized that that sounded like a John Madden comment…sorry for stating the obvious).
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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jun 6, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Having Datsyuk back...
…will translate into a 5-0 shutout at the Joe, Pitt coming absolutely unglued, and an elimination game on Tuesday. Pavel will also have 2 assists, in spite of being badly injured.
Wow, you’re like some sort of soothsayer. Too bad the time stamp on your comment proves otherwise.
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GREAT TRIVIA QUESTION
Hey heres a great trivia question for you….Who was the goalie in game 5 that had more points in the game than TWO of the opposing teams star players combined?
OZZIE! OZZIE! OZZIE!
PS…Dats did hurt the PENS in game 5. PENS lost there composure and TALBOT sucks for taking a cheap slash at DATS foot.
Also in game four OZ gave up a couple of soft goals BUT the KENNEDY goal was as pretty as they get
if you wanna talk about cheap shots...
how bout at least mentioning cleary’s too handed baseball style swing at orpik’s legs at the end of game 4.
i am not condoning what talbot did (i thought it was poor sportmanship, especially since he was probably trying to cause further problems to an injury) but fact is both teams pull crap like that.
cheap shots
all im saying is if you want to go swinging on a guy..why pick on the runt?especially a hurting runt. TALBOT wants to swing on someone,how about ERICKSON? yeah i have to agree theres “crap” on both sides..it just seems the more blatant stuff if coming from the younger team, they can still play hard..but try to be a little more classy. after they figured they couldnt come back in game 5 they made some pretty stupid penalties.
the mugging on HELM was pretty nuts . have to hand it to HELM (young player) he took the beating and the penalty without getting one himself
you pick the “runt” cuz he’s one of your best players…and he can be physical too (see his good check malkin?). i’ve already said above how i disapprove of the “message sending” when the game’s decided, even if its my team doing it. if they’re really doing stuff like that because “thats the way they play”, then they can do it at the beginning of the game too. but i’d bet your team woulda done pretty much the exact same thing if they were getting smoked at the end of the game too.
and it’s not like talbot did something so absurd. i can remember an elbow being thrown in staals face by samuelsson (i think) among some other stuff your team has pulled. so if you’re implying the pens should be classy like detroit, i guess they should just do it when they’re not losing & dont get caught…
and never mind osgoods stick to stalls grill, or the two cover the puck jobs but zetterbergh
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 9, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Staal OBVIOUSLY skated into Osgood’s stick, not the other way around. He should be more careful and keep his face out of the way.
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sorry frank im just so tired of the shenanigans that the redwings get away with. its absurd to think there is any kind of stable officiating out there.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, but dats took a big dive on that “slash” but talbot. alls you have to do is look at the blatant non-calls in game 5 that werte epic garbage. like gods hold on kennedy when he trying to put the puck in. another epic fail by the refs. pathetic. all of those “stupid penalties” were chincy jobs by the refs trying to prevent the pens from playing thier game.
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Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 9, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt go criticizing the refs for trying to stop the pens. yes it seemed like we were getting called for everything possible, but our players acted immature goons starting midway through the 2nd.
due to frustration for all of the bs
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Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 9, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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