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Gonchar, Pens continue discussions on contract extension


From TSN:

The Pittsburgh Penguins and Sergei Gonchar have opened up discussions on a new contract.

The defenceman's agent JP Barry met Penguins general manager Ray Shero Tuesday in Calgary.  The two sides began preliminary discussions that focused mainly on term.

The 35-year old Gonchar, who signed a five-year deal with the Penguins coming out of the lockout, is set to become a free agent at the end of the season.

Not unusual or unexpected.  The two sides have discussed the matter before, but decided to put off talk for a while.   JP Barry is based in Calgary, so with the Penguins swinging through town it was only natural (and encouraging) that Ray Shero stop by and a have face-to-face conversation.

Rumors have stated Gonchar is looking for a long-term (3 or 4 year) contract at or about his same average salary of $5 million.  It's unknown how true that might be, but obviously for a 36 year old veteran like Gonchar -- the longer of a term he can negotiate on these guaranteed deals, the better for him. 

For Shero's part, he's got to consider the salary cap as a whole, since he already has about $42 million for 14 players set aside for next season.  Shero must also weigh Gonchar's value; there's no doubt he's the #1 defenseman in Pittsburgh and the team plays much better with him than without him.  But at what price and how long?  That is the question that needs to be answered.

Dialouge is a good thing though, better to be communicating regularly than have an impasse or a lot of quiet time as the clock ticks towards July 1. 

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I sincerely believe that Gonchar will be trade bait if he doesn’t get a deal done by the deadline.

by Max Powers on Jan 14, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

If he wasn’t so vitale to the team I would agree.

And who would you trade him to? Certainly not an Eastern contender that Pittsburgh could see in the playoffs and not many bubble/non-playoff teams would want him.

So it would be to a WC contender that wanted to add $5m in salary.

While it would sabotage a lot of chemistry in the Penguins room trading such an important piece of the puzzle.

Can’t happen. If the Pens can’t sign Gonchar, best to play with him for one more playoff run and see what happens. Then maybe trade him in June like they did with Malone.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If not deal is made, I would think that the Pens would keep Gonchar and not trade him only to keep him for the playoff run. I don’t think the benefits of trading him offset the benefits of keeping him on for the post season.

I like Gonchar, but if the numbers are seriously as high as it is reported, I say let him go. He is definitely an asset but considering his injuries the past couple of seasons and price, I’d rather see Letang be given a chance to step up.

by xaryss on Jan 14, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

They won’t trade him before the deadline, that would just be asinine. Besides they said in the off season and have been saying that they would rather wait until the end of the year to officially discuss it, really hammer something out. But talking now of course is always great.

I think they should give him like a 1 or 2 year deal with an option at the end for getting those two or three extra years, considering his record of injury. But I keep saying it, he wants to stay in Pittsburgh and finish his career, he’s been very clear about that, I just hope he’s not greedy and is a little more understanding when it comes to the figures.

Man, why do contracts sound so simply to us laymen? I’d be thrilled to play five years for two million, maybe even a million.

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by AlexStitch on Jan 14, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

" I’d be thrilled to play five years for two million, maybe even a million."

You say that now cuz we aren’t superstars. If you played like a 5 mil a year man, u would not take 1 mil. I dont think any of us would. Even Ovie is bitching that he’s losing 2 of his 10mil a year… In the words of the late (not yet) Artie Lange, WHAAAAAAAA

by biggoron on Jan 14, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

A Key employee of a company that makes many millions would not be thrilled to be making only one million. You have to remember the profits of the folks they work for. They only want their slice of the pie.

by PensFan024 on Jan 14, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, why do contracts sound so simply to us laymen? I’d be thrilled to play five years for two million, maybe even a million.

I don’t know what you do for a living, but say you make $50k and you go into a performance reiew seeking a raise.

You don’t think some poor guy in China or the 3rd world would kill for $50k a year? More money than they’ve ever dreamed of.

But that other person doesn’t have the skills or abilities you do and they don’t have the means to do what you do. Just the way of the world.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If the Pens weren’t playoff bound – as in, they completely bombed it this year and looked out of the picture by the deadline – then I think they’d offer up Gonhar at the deadline in exchange for a pick or something. but right now they still need him. So yeah, I don’t think they’ll trade him before the deadline. It’s not like they have to count their chips or anything. They’re still playoff bound and he’s a vital part of the team’s chemistry.

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by FrankD on Jan 14, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s get one thing straight. GMRS is not an idiot. Unless the Pens drop outta the playoff picture, Gonch stays a Penguin until some team raises the Stanley Cup. This teams has a better chance with him than without him. So right there the trade bait discussion is moot.

As I write this I know Gonchar is a vital piece of the puzzle. But I know he will want too much money and too many years. Gonchar is not Billy G. I do not see him making less than Gogo and staying in Black n Gold. We can pretty much assume that Letang will be resigned, and Gonch will be gone.

And anyone wanting to say that we give him a 5 year prorated deal at 6-6-3-1-1 etc doesnt realize once he is 35 or over (which he is) that salary is on the books after he retires.

by biggoron on Jan 14, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

We can pretty much assume that Letang will be resigned, and Gonch will be gone.

I wouldn’t take the big step to say it should be assumed. Obviously Letang’s contract demands, on their own, will be critical to whether he’s re-signed or possibly dealt over the summer if Shero feels he can acquire player(s) with as much or more value at a better dollar hit.

I wouldn’t bet on Gonchar to return, but I certainly am not assuming this is his final year in Pittsburgh. Call it a hunch, but I get the sense he would be very willing to be back, as long as the Pens show him some respect.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, maybe it’s wrong to say Letang will defintely be back, but I don’t see another team coming up with a sheet that the Pens cant/wont match. He has had a bad year so far but I hope no one throws “Piece” money at him

by biggoron on Jan 14, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

$3-4 million a year means a team would have to forfeit a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft pick to the Pens. Would anyone out there risk that for Letang? I have my doubts. Even then, I think the Pens would match it and figure out what to do.

$4-5 million year means a team would have to give Pittsburgh 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd. I highly doubt there’s a team out there that likes Letang that much.

I wouldn’t be too worried about someone signing Letang to an offer sheet. He’s a good young player, but he only has 2 goals, not like he is ripping things up yet this year.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea it gets tricky after a player turns 35. RS might have screwed this one up by not resigning him before his 35th birthday. Then he could have given Gonch his 3 yrs 15 mil and added on a few more years to lower the cap hit. Then if Gonch wanted to retire or go to the KHL he would have come off the books for the Pens. I dont know how its going to work out. I think Gonchar will end up staying. Unless someone makes just a ridiculous offer at the deadline. Even then you have to worry about chemistry, and this team has proven its not as good without Gonchar. If they dont get a deal done before the deadline and worst comes to worst RS has got 5mil off the books this summer.

by genomachine-O on Jan 14, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

RS might have screwed this one up by not resigning him before his 35th birthday. Then he could have given Gonch his 3 yrs 15 mil and added on a few more years to lower the cap hit.

That’s not accurate. There’s no way Shero could have done what you’re saying under the current CBA rules.

A new contract wouldn’t start until the old one is completed. And since the new contract would take effect after Gonchar’s 35th bday, it still has the same rules as if they sign him now if they did earlier, and you can only re-sign a player with 1 year remaining, so they couldn’t have re-signed Gonchar too early anyways.

This is exactly what Philly found out the hard way with Chris Pronger.

So we can’t blame Shero….It’s just unlucky how it broke.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Dueling posts. You bored today too Hooks?

by biggoron on Jan 14, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, yep.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yea your right, I had Holmgren advising me on that post…

by genomachine-O on Jan 14, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if he extended him in the offseason I believe it would still count. the rule goes into effect when the new contract would start, in this case he is already 35. The only thing that was done wrong was to sign him for 5 and not 7 years… And did RS sign him? I can’t imagine him giving an older player a 5 year contract. It’s not “Sherolike”

by biggoron on Jan 14, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody said he's an idiot

He’d get something worthwhile for him for sure. Or he wouldn’t do it. I know Gonchar is vital, but his contract status makes him viable trade bait. Like Shero said last year, there are a few players who are on the “No Trade” list, Crosby, MAF, Malkin, Flower, and a few on the “unlikely trade” list such as Staal and Letang.

If Atlanta wanted to send Kovi and Army for Mad Max and Gonch, I think it could go down. Whatever the move, it would blow your mind. He’s certainly not doing a salary dump or anything.

by Max Powers on Jan 14, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That couldn’t go for salary purposes, but I get your point.

Obviously Gonchar’s not on a no-trade under any coniditions list (like Crosby, Malkin and MAF are) but it’s undeniable the team is much better with him than without him.

The Pens got Gonchar as a FA, they might lose him that way too.

Asset management is important, but it’s more important to have a deep playoff run.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, he is not untouchable, but there is NO way unless we land a Kovy type sniper and a D that fit into the cap, that he leaves.

by biggoron on Jan 14, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly I feel pretty silly arguing with fellow laymen (my apologies to anyone here pulling in 7 figures+ a year) about the validity of multi million dollar contracts for athletes. OF COURSE it’s ridiculous that a guy plays Hockey and skates off with a paycheck of $5M per anum. However unless there was plan to cut ticket, concessions, souveniers and parking prices the Market dictates the value. Not many people can play the game at such a level and apparently, Penguins fans at least, feel ticket prices are reasonable for the level of entertainment received. It’s just when dumb dumbs such as Jeremy Roenick, Chris Smellios, Brett Hull, Mr. Jagr to name a few from the pre-lockout days demanding huge salaries that the economics of the league and their TV contracts (or lack thereof) didn’t support. Given the parameters of the CBA (whcih I have heard rumors of possibly adding a “luxury tax” option) with the Cap what it is, $5M long term for Gonch doesn’t make sense. However I’m less than encouraged by the team’s play when he’s not in the lineup. Can you imagine this team with an even worse Power Play? Yikes! Based on his age/experience, quality playing time left, can’t see the Pens going longer than 3 years or more than $4M per. Hopefully that won’t cause him to bolt but we’ll see. Shero has made a lot of right calls up to this point, not too concerned how he handles this, tough these days to keep a good team intact….

by Dutch71 on Jan 14, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

“It’s just when dumb dumbs such as Jeremy Roenick, Chris Smellios, Brett Hull, Mr. Jagr to name a few from the pre-lockout days demanding huge salaries that the economics of the league and their TV contracts (or lack thereof) didn’t support.”

The owners had to agree to these dumb-dumb demands. And if you remember, it was our very own Mario Lemieux that had the very first dumb dumb contract, although he didn’t demand it. (6 or 7 years at $42mm) In our case the market dictated that the Pens went bankrupt after Baldwin left, and Mario, as the largest creditor, was given option to buy the team and the rest is history.

Please, please, please someone describe how I place someone else’s quotes in the little gray box??!!

by Ulf Murphy on Jan 14, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Under the “POST A COMMENT” box the is a link that says “Show Formating Guide”. It has all the info you need.

by PensFan024 on Jan 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a little more technical than what I do….I copy and paste what I want to quote into a new comment and highlight it…then I click the " button and voila!

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Under the "POST A COMMENT" box the is a link that says "Show Formating Guide". It has all the info you need.

I had to try it!!

by Ulf Murphy on Jan 14, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

See and who said you can’t teach an old dog new tricks!

(just beakin you a little)

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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 14, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Made me laugh. thanks! Kinda funny how quick I went from young gun to old dog. You’ll see!

by Ulf Murphy on Jan 14, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait..

Does Gonchar’s ability to multi-task (scoring a goal AND taking a penalty at the same time), increase or decrease his overall trade value? =D

871

by PensFan8725 on Jan 14, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

nah, it’s canceled out by his “goonery”

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by FrankD on Jan 14, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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