Philly jumps up early and stays there, beats the Pens 7-4
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"I wouldn't pinpoint one part of our game that was at fault for that kind of goal total, but we did make some pretty pointed mistakes, puck management-wide and defensive-wise, that led to some good scoring opportunities for them -- and they were able to capitalize."Dan Bylsma
That sums it up for Pittsburgh, who was playing catch up all night long to their arch rivals the Philadelphia Flyers. As has been their trend lately, and as Bylsma stated, it wasn't one mistake to pin-point but a series of breakdowns that lead to the opposition taking advantage with goals.
- Marc-Andre Fleury has given up 4+ goals in four of his last six starts. Time to worry? I'm inclined to think this probably says more of the defense in front of him than it does for his individual performance, but goalies have to make the saves and right now he's now bailing the team out.
- On the injury watch: defenseman Martin Skoula left the game 1:18 into the second period, his last second coming when the Flyers' Chris Pronger smacked a goal in to give the bad guys a 4-2 lead. Alex Goligoski (an amazing 27:44 of ice-time), Kris Letang (23:12 played) and Mark Eaton (22:14) were the main three who stepped up and picked the slack up in Skoula's absence.
- Captain Crosby did his best to torture the Flyers (what else is new) with 2 goals, and 62% of his 29 faceoffs won.
- Eric Godard managed to get five shifts (3:38 overall) and took another minor penalty in the first period that Flyer defenseman Matt Carle converted into a crucial 3-1 lead. Another game where Godard was a negative even if he wasn't on the ice for a goal --which, don't worry, he still was anyways.
- On the bright side, Max Talbot got back into the lineup and showed some jump in his game tonight. He got an assist and was credited with 5 hits. It was the first game in a long while that Talbot has looked like the Superstar of old.
But it was not a bright night. Philly did a lot of good things with the pucks and got 6 goals past Penguin goalies. Defensemen and netminders alike didn't look good for Pittsburgh and they didn't make good enough decisions with the puck to deserve to win.
As has been the habit, effort has not been the issue. The boys are clearly trying and working hard. But they haven't been "working smart". And now it's time to hit the road for a challenging set of games: Saturday at Toronto (who always plays the Pens tough), Monday at Minnesota, Wednesday in Calgary, the next night in Edmonton, and finally next Saturday in Vancouver.
That's five games in eight nights in five different cities heading west across the North American continent. It won't be easy, but a road trip can be galvanizing for a team. Especially in the western cities that will be excited and make a big deal at the rare occasion of seeing the defending Stanley Cup champions from the east.
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I just watched the game again (I know “why would I do that”) and it was not such a bad game… we had jump, we had chances… but at the end a very bad loss to take.
I don’t know what’s happened to the defense, but we have monumental lapses every single game lately. Skoula and Godard should be scratched no matter who’s healthy and who’s not.
You have to see it for yourself...
The Pens played a decent game. Liked the way they battled back after a few softies early from Fleury. I was more impressed with how disciplined the Flyers were. No fights, no real scrums after the whistle. If the Flyers keep playing like that, they are going to win a lot of games.
Everyone wants the Pens to add a scoring winger, but I think is becoming more evident that the Pens need to add some size on defense. Our D-core is a very small group. They leave to much open space in the defensive zone. They have problems moving anybody from the front of the net. That wasn’t the only problem in the game last night, but it was very evident. Smaller defenseman have to be overly agressive to cover the same space and they are having problems with people finding open space around our goal for an uncontested shot. I was saying the other day that Skoula has been a pretty solid 7th guy, but last night he was giving me flashbacks of Joe Melichar. Yikes.
agreed
there was this article a couple of days ago about “how much do the Penguins miss Hal Gill”…
it was just too obvious, especially last night, how Hartnell could parade around our net unchallenged…
You have to see it for yourself...
I don’t know, they didn’t miss Gill very much at all for most of the season. If anything, it might have more to do with the guys coming back too soon from their injuries,as I’ve noticed the defense really hasn’t been the same after that rash of injuries we suffered.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 8, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Bad loss all around, but my concern is with Fleury. Like the article said, he has given up 4+ in his last however many games. I think he and Ryan Miller have the Olympic Jitters a little early. This needs to stop.
Fluery needs a vacation
Living in California I do not have the privilege of seeing very many Pens games. It seems as if there is a split amongst fans on who’s at fault, the defense or the goal tending. Let’s face it stats wise it appears Fleury, ever since his Olympic spot was determined, has been lousy. During this slump (6 of 7, 7 of 9) Johnson has seen the ice 3×. He “lost” vs. New Jersey giving up one stinkin’ goal, beat the Thrash giving up 2 and gave up 2 in a very pedestrian showing last night. It seems to me that at this moment Johnson is playing substantially better than MAF. The defense isn’t playing up to par but you need your goalie to bail you out, MAF is definitely not doing that. I say bench him Saturday and if BJ delivers a good performance let him go again vs. the Wild. The Penguins have been wildly inconsistent, 5x shut out with ZERO shut outs in response. Obviously the team needs a shakeup, trade a player, call someone up, bench Fleury. Losing at home to Toronto and to a semi mediocre philly squad who hasn’t won the big one since the heyday of lava lamps and shag carpet is unacceptable! Doubly painful when the team scores 4, Sid has 2 of them and they’re still thoroughly beaten.
Lets not start with the questions about Fleury again. Hes struggled a little bit lately, as has the entire team. I do not think its Olympic jitters, he’s already made the team. The teams play in front of him has left him in some bad spots the last week or two. Fleury should not be one of your worries.
by genomachine-O on Jan 8, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get most of the questioning of MAF. It seems to be from the “uninformed” hockey fans. Since I became the resident Fleury fan in my office due to the fact that I defend him when the team lets him down I sound like a broken record. I even have one guy in the office who believes the goalie should NEVER let in more than 2 goals in a game. He says that all a team needs is a good goalie. Look at broduer he says. Of course there is no talking to people like that, but it seems a lot of folks just blame the goalie because the don’t understand the intricacies of the game. Personally, I almost never blame the goalie for a PP goal and 2 of the goals MAF let in last night were on the PP. All that being said, I still sit him next game. He needs to steal one some time soon to boost his confidence. I agreee with whoever else said some of the defensmen need to spend some time in the Press Box.
here here, I still start Fleury in Toronto though. I don’t have the numbers off hand, but his numbers in the game after being pulled are very good. Got to let him rebound. Im sure Johnson will get a start at some point during this road trip, maybe MIN or EDM.
by genomachine-O on Jan 8, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I did not and will not question Fleury as the Pens starting goalie. My crazy fan days was during Tommy B’s run, so I understand a good goalie giving up a few goals. But I do see a correlation in the decline in his play with being named to the Olympic team. Is it coincidence, who knows? Goalies are the craziest guys I have ever met, with the superstitions and such. Ryan Miller’s numbers have markedly declined since being named to the US squad also. Geno (albeit not a goalie) scored a hat trick when the director of Russian hockey was in PGH, but then didn’t score in the next 5 (?) games. The mental aspect of this game is HUGE.
The turnovers are worrying me the most. At times last night it seemed like the Pens didn’t realize they were in the black unis.
To me it felt like that against the thrashers too. They were able to get away with it though against them. Not many teams will let those opportunities slip by.
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by FrankD on Jan 8, 2010 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Defense ???
The penguins are for sure back to the pre Therrien defensive play. It could be a matter of personnel, compared to last season ( Missing Hal Gill in front of the net, or Scud blocking shots. However I believe the forwards, bear much of the responsibility, nobody is coming back and taking their man, too many ill advised plays giving puck’s away, also teams have caught up with Penguins not covering the point (what ‘s up with that tactic).
Also unless I’m mistaken also the defensive coach has changed.
I don’t buy the working hard line, when nobody comes back to check. Also, bad penalties in the offensive zone. Fleury may not be at his very best to bail the out, but all the above mentioned play in front of him is not helping out. Serious review of the defensive play needs to be considered, including bringing up some of the defensmen that came up when some people were hurt, they seem to play better position than some of the established guys, A game or 2 in the pressbox for some people would not be a bad thing, is not panic, but is time for the coach to send a message. Bottom line whe you score 4 goals, you should not loose a game, if you expect to be considered an elite team. Power play still anemic, a lot of puck movement, no shots , and few people go to the net. Honorable exception, Luca Caputi and perhaps Mike Rupp.
Certainly the forwards do not go with out blame. Seems like we are playing the Devils every night with the amount of turnovers in the neutral zone. Puck managment needs to get a lot better if they want to snap out of this slump. Improved break out passes from the D would also help cut down on the turnovers.
by genomachine-O on Jan 8, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I would be OK with seeing Lovejoy or Engelland. And I am shocked how important Gonchar is to the success of this team. It seems every time Gonchar is out we lose 3 of 4.
not if he won’t back down from 3 yrs 15 million he wont.
by genomachine-O on Jan 8, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just looking at some possible rental players that could come available a guy like Anton Volchenkov (unless he signed a new deal not sure) would be exactly the type of defenseman the pens need. 3.2 mil could be affordable come March 3. Of course there are a million variables on that, but you never know. Maybe even a guy like Kubina but the Pens would have to more some salary for that one.
We’ve seen the D do very well, I don’t think the players are necessarily the problem. If we would spend 3 mil on anyone, I’d like to see it spent on a winger. Our wingers are probably the worst as a whole of any playoff team. Guerin’s hot but otherwise, we have no true top six wingers, especially now that Kunitz is hurt. Caputi may stick, I like his play, but I want to see one more piece up front. Selanne for a bargain? Ryan for Letang? Just anything…
Mark Madden and Rob Rossi tossed the idea around of bringing in Ray Whitney at the trade deadline. I think it’s a good idea, if for no other reason that it stops Ray from scoring against us.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 8, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol i don’t know about whitney as a fit, but i like the idea of hovering over the carcas of what once was a Eastern Conference Finalist. Any solid D men we can pick off those bones?
As I said in my commentary it’s not only the defense playing badly (poor position), it’s the whole team. Forwards not coming back, NOBODY COVERING POINT SHOTS!!! (watch out tonight for Kaberle point shots, Wilson is a good coach , so he knows that). In general a lack of defensive discipline. The reason I suggested to bring up guys from the Baby Pens, is that they are used to playing discipline hockey. There’s a lot of hockey to be played between now and the trade deadline. I’m sure Shiro will evaluate things at that time and make the right trade. It would be nice to get somebody with a bigger presence around the goal to clear people from in front of Fleury specially on PK. I hope the players did some soul searching at their meeting, and realize that they cannot keep this style for too long or they are going to fall in the standings too far. Finally, Gonch is great, but too much money for a guy of his age, Specially with the Pens cap situation, would tie up too much for future signings.






















