That's More Like It: Penguins Drop Devils 3-1
by FrankD on Oct 11, 2010 6:51 PM EDT
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Alex Goligoski is shooting. Mark Letestu is scoring. And Brent Johnson is goaltending. Just like that, the Penguins secured their first win of the season on the road in New Jersey, a place where they were winless in 2009-10 and last registered a win on December 26, 2008.
Take a closer look at the Pens' first win of the season after the jump.
Is anyone else completely floored that after three games Mark Letestu and Alex Goligoski are tied for first on the team with two goals apiece? No complaints here, trust me. It was nice to see Goligoski cranking up a few shots in this one, including the first goal of the game on an assist from Eric Tangradi, his first career NHL point.
As for Letestu, nothing but great things to say about this guy. He keeps playing like a guy who wants a spot on this team even though he's temporarily earned one. Of course, if he keeps playing like this he's going to stick around. No question. There's a solid chemistry developing between Evgeni Malkin and Letestu whenever they're out there together, but the Rupp-Kunitz combo is also looking pretty good. His versatility in mixing it up with teammates is clutch.
Maybe all those rumors we read/heard about Marc-Andre Fleury being injured at some point during the preseason are true. Or maybe he just needed a day off to take a mental vacation (rather than in the game). Whatever the case, it was refreshing to see Brent Johnson between the pipes for the Pens. Outside of that one goal given up in the second to Patrick Elias, he looked as solid as can be. There were plenty of close calls too and it definitely wasn't the easiest of games, particularly when the Pens were holding onto a slim one-goal lead, but the save of the night has to be the breakaway dive on Travis Zajac. Kudos to Craig Adams on that one too for not giving chase and playing some good, stay-at-home defense in the crease to back up Johnson.
And finally, the game wouldn't have been complete if we didn't have a chance to see Paul Martin stick it to his old team. Granted he didn't have to beat Martin Brodeur to get the job done, but a goal's a goal. Any other arena on any other night, he's passing that puck to Adams in front of the net. But at Prudential Center on Monday night, he did what he had to do, and I'm confident none of the Penguins took issue with it.
There ya have it folks. The first win of the season, although it may have come with a bit of a price as Zbynek Michalek is rumored to have separated his shoulder when he left the game with an obvious upper-body injury. Here's to hoping it's not too serious.
In any case, the first 'W' may have taken a little longer than we'd hoped, but Penguins Nation is an impatient group of fans. And we'd have it no other way.
Now the question is, do the Pens stick with the hot glove and start Johnson Wednesday against the Leafs, or turn back to Fleury to try and get his confidence back up?
Comment of the night comes from tehchico:
I had to take off work for this…it better be worth it! :-)
Was it?
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I skipped class for this game…it definitely was worth it!
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I took the whole week off. But not just for the Pens game.
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Went to class and watched it online. Had to keep it in during Gogo’s goal.
Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....
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by blackjackfishtaco on Oct 11, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Brent didn’t have a lot to do in the first two periods. The Devils only really got going in the third period. But what a third period it was for BJ, man…
I’m happy.
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He made some quality saves in the 1st and second periods, despite not facing many shots. He was just plain ol great in the 3rd.
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"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong
Ah, pipe down...
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
never!
LET’S GO PENS!!!!!!
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"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong
All right, I guess you can continue that...
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Every win is worth it.
Injuries are part of the game.
You could just as easily spin that on the Devils:
“I hope that contract was worth it, considering Volchenkov and Rolston are hurt.”
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This was a nice game. It was a little weird when, toward the end of the third period, Steigy called Goligosky, Letestu, and Tangradi’s names all in a row. I had to remind myself that they’re not minor leaguers (nor are they playing like it!).
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I left work early today; there was nothing going on there anways.
Good game, very happy for the win. Our O really needs to find its grove and find
it soon.
Starting Johnson in works for me. I would like to see him get more ice time.
I also think he should be rewarded. I also think he is very mentally tough. And gritty.
Start MAF Friday, giving him a little more rest.
Hope Orpik and Michalek get better soon. When is Asham due back?
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 11, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Starting Johnson in works for me. I would like to see him get more ice time.
I would love to see him get another start, but don’t expect it. I think that just sends the wrong message to Flower and could really hurt him more mentally than the rest would help him physically.
Hope Orpik and Michalek get better soon. When is Asham due back?
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Orpik back next game, but Z may be out for a while. It looked like he separated his shoulder on that hit. Asham is on the IR and is out indefinitely.
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I believe Asham is only on the 15 day IR. So they will have to do something. Even if that something is to keep him on IR.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
Yeah he’s definitely not on the LTIR. He could be back within the next week or so, given the severity of his injury.
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I missed this win and maybe it’s a good thing. Watched both the season opener and Habs game and they lost both. I am beginning to think I am cursed :(
by silvsiara on Oct 11, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nah, it’s just the new arena that’s cursed.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks PAYD. Maybe I will watch on Wednesday. Just need to figure out if Center Ice will show the game or if it’s blacked out (with TSN showing the game…I don’t subscribe). But never mind that, glad the Pens won! And hope Z is not as seriously injured as originally thought. Thinking positive thoughts here…
by silvsiara on Oct 11, 2010 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trust me
don’t let anything stop you from watching on Wednesday
"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong
Ah, but it all depends on what channel is showing it. If it’s TSN, will have to watch online. Also, I am super-fickle and if the Leafs are beating my beloved Pens, they may join the Habs on my hate list. It’s sad but nothing comes before the Pens for (runs for cover from an angry Leafer).
by silvsiara on Oct 11, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean, nothing comes before the Pens for me. It took me just a few minutes to pick them as my faves over the Habs a couple of years ago.
by silvsiara on Oct 11, 2010 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yup it’s on TSN
How was there ever a contest between the Habs and Pens?
PS. but it would only be one regular season win, you wouldn’t hate us just for that, would you?
"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong
Well, I supported the Habs and then started watching the Pens. It turned into a no-contest pretty quickly.
Ooh, I don’t know. I hold grudges for a long time. I shall try to give the Leafs the benefit of the doubt though.
TSN? Ok, I believe I will be watching Gamecenter then. Thanks Leafer!
by silvsiara on Oct 11, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you get Rogers (I’m not sure where you are) they have Gamecenter for free until Oct 24. I’m checking it out to see how many games are blacked out as a result of Leafs games. I want to buy, but not if most of the Pens games are blacked out. Oh, and I too switched from the Habs to the Pens, though much further back.
I subscribe to Centre Ice now but Wednesday’s game won’t be available because TSN is showing it. Plus, with Rogers, one needs to get TSN as part of some package so I don’t get it. I do get RDS and RIS which will show a number of Pens games this season but as of now, I can’t decide whether Centre Ice was good idea or not. I will wait for more Pens games to see if it was worth it.
I get TSN, thankfully. I’m waiting to decide on Centre Ice until the tryout period is over. Thanks for the feedback.
I got Center Ice midway through last season when I realized that even though the games r on FSN, and I had FSN on direct tv, they black them out because of Center Ice. But they did show most of the pens games for the second half of the season. I thought it was worth it enough to get it again this year.
Did they? That’s good to know. I am beginning to suspect that RDS and RIS will save me for the first half of the season because I don’t have access to TSN. This is my first subscription so I will see what happens.
My dad gets FSN Pittsburgh too but yes, same problem. Surprisingly, MSG was never blacked out when I lived at home so we got all Rangers, Islanders, and Devils games.
From what I was told when I talked to Direct TV, is that because of the Center Ice package if the game isnt on VS, or NBC it will be blacked out and only shown on Center Ice. But that is pretty much a Direct TV thing. So if that is what you have you can pretty much bet that the games will be blacked out. And its not just hockey. They do that with all pro sports. I’m a huge Indians fan and i got the sports teir package because I knew back home on regular cable they have most of the Pens and Indians games. But what a surprise it was when I went to turn a Pens game on and the channel was blacked out. Kind of stupid but its a business and makes sense on their end I guess.
A number of Pens games are being shown by Canadian broadcasters, some of whom I don’t subscribe to, so I lose out (thankfully all non-Ontario Sportsnet hockey broadcasts are available on Centre Ice, when they are normally blacked out here in Toronto). Thankfully Gamecenter should keep me covered until the 24th of this month. I know what you mean though. I find it a little frustrating myself. I would add TSN in a heartbeat but then I would have to upgrade my already expensive digital cable subscription. If the channel was available by itself or as part of some sports package, I would get it.
Yup, have been checking it too. The Toronto game will play on TSN so automatically we won’t get it on Centre Ice in Canada. Shouldn’t TSN be covering baseball?!!!!!! Leave the broadcasts to FSN-P! Okay, rant over.
I`ve hated the Leafs....
…since they knocked the Pens out of the playoffs in the `99 Conference Semi Finals. Still grit my teeth when I hear the name `Lonny Bohonos`, GRRR!
Though I`m not sure that many of you young`uns will have any idea what I`m talking about, lol.
Leafer87, I`m in Canada too (Manitoba), and pretty much hated the Leafs anyways :P Sorry! Call it prairie envy but the `Center Of The Universe`and their cramming of Maple Leafs down our throats on a daily basis just drives me nuts…I`m sure it`s great if your a Leafs fan though! lol!
Geez I hate Bohonos.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh … I’m pretty confident that Canadians who didn’t grow up in the Southern Ontario area are generally just disposed to hate the Leafs (and perhaps all things Toronto?). Although I’m surprised you’re not a Habs fan, like the rest of non-hockey-market Canada!
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lol, truth be told, I hate the Habs more than the Leafs…going back to when 7th seeded Montreal and Moog took us out in 6 games the year before! lmao!
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Conference call at work had me watching the game on DVR about an hour behind. Damn Caps fans at work!
Good to see the boys get a solid win.
Assuming he is healthy, Fleury definitely gets the start Wednesday.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Not a brilliant game, but a pretty good one.
Nice to get that first win out of the way.
I’m really liking Letestu, Tangradi, and Martin.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
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Letestu has been fabulous on offense, and Martin is already one of our strongest D-men. Tangradi’s move on Kovalchuk was great — that goal only happened because of him, and it was a well-deserved first NHL point.
At times it seemed like Tangradi looked a little bit lost in the defensive zone, but I’m sure that will improve in time. I do remember that toward the end of the game he cleared the puck at an important moment.
There was also a weird play by NJ defense where they left it wide open for Gogo. Without that, Gogo might have scored, but the shot might not have been there. Maybe the guy thought Gogo would pass? (I just watched the replay, though, and he didn’t look at all like he was going to try to make a play instead of shoot …).
I didn’t notice Tangradi in the defensive zone too much, but I’m not surprised about your comment. And I agree that it will improve with time. When the time comes, that could be among the deciding factors in sending Tangradi down instead of someone else, even though he’s playing pretty good hockey right now.
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There was also a weird play by NJ defense where they left it wide open for Gogo. Without that, Gogo might have scored, but the shot might not have been there. Maybe the guy thought Gogo would pass? (I just watched the replay, though, and he didn’t look at all like he was going to try to make a play instead of shoot …).
When did that happen?
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On his goal. Check the replay. The NJD defense sort of backs off, or doesn’t follow through and actually defend against Gogo. I didn’t really notice it until one of the FSN guys pointed it out, but it’s pretty weird.
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Just watched it. I have no idea what the Devs were doing on that play. They must’ve thought that he was going to drop pass it to Geno for sure. I don’t even think Gogo saw Geno or knew he was there.
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Maybe they didn’t think he would shoot it. A pretty safe assumption is basing it off some of his most recent performances.
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I suppose, but still … to leave it wide open like that? What’s the opposite of “a heads-up play”?
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Shhhhhh Maybe next time they will and we won’t have a goal to celebrate.
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haha. My bad! NJD players who are reading these comments: pay no attention to me! I don’t know anything about hockey, and clearly you made the right play!
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Kovalchuck is reading from his iPad. It’s all over next time.
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Maybe they are subconsciously sabotaging their own team because they are angry about the cap situation and they secretly wish they played for the Penguins.
They must be insanely jealous of Martin
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by Sid the captain on Oct 12, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well … if Kovalchuk wants to start getting in the way of shots and blocking pucks with his throat, I say we let him! It surely won’t last too long, and taking him out of the lineup for a little bit would be kind of fun. I mean … as long as he’s not on LTIR and the Devils still can’t replace him with a call-up, that is!
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This whole Devs situation is hilarious.
It’ll just get sad if they have to give up Parise, though. I would take Parise over Kovy any day. He may never be as good as Kovy, but his character completely trumps him.
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I’m sure the Devils fans have asked this question about 10 times already.
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Johnson was great today — very sharp and made spectacular saves through a lot of pressure and traffic and collisions. He deserves first star, since we would not have won without that performance. But we can’t expect either of our goalies to only give up one goal every night. The Penguins need to score more than 2 goals per game. When production is low you are depending on the goalie to perform brilliantly for 60 minutes, and it’s just not realistic.
Fleury will rebound and have brilliant nights and okay nights, but the offensive production has to be there. Especially while we are missing Orpik and Michalek and Staal (the Selke winner in our hearts) on defense.
And I would like to point out:
Talbot had two really good looks thanks to two really good moves the last two games. I’m really hoping to see him get some more time and hopefully show he can come back to form.
This.
I could see him getting 10 goals this year.
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10 goals is a realistic and almost expected from a guy like him. Now, if we can get 15-20 out of him, gravy.
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After two goals last year, I’d be happy with 10. You’re right, though.
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Yeah but he was out for most of the year, was hampered by a few injuries on his way back and never really looked like he hit his stride. This year is much different.
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The two goal stat was meant to insinuate the way he played as well, which was not very good.
The 10 goal stat was meant to insinuate a better year overall.
I would’ve written all that out, but i was lazy. =]
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My thoughts
Unless I start to annoy the hell out of people, I guess I’ll share because I want to.
Please don’t hesitate to tell me if I’m being annoying with this stuff.
-I thought BJ had a great game. He didn’t have to be amazing, but he was solid and came up with some great saves when he needed to.
-Letestu also had a great game. That goal clearly went off of him. I have no idea how neither Steigy nor Errey (or anyone in the truck, for that matter) couldn’t see that after at least 5 replays. I can’t decide if he or BJ was the best Pen out there.
-Engelland looked sharp after a so-so first game. That play on Kovy was sweet. I’d be willing to bet a hundy that both he and lovejoy are in next game with the injuries to Orpik and Z.
-If Z is out for an extended period of time, it’s huge. This guy already brings so much to this team.
-Every game, I get more and more impressed by what Paul Martin brings. He meshes with this defense perfectly. I would love to know why the NJ fans felt the need to boo him. Why? Am I missing something? As far as I know, he didn’t leave the team badly.
-Our D looked awesome even without Michalek and Orpik.
-Sid looked good at even strength, but couldn’t get into a groove because his time was wasted standing still on the PP.
-Same for Geno.
-It’s very scary with how good we look and Sid & Geno haven’t even gotten going yet.
-Our PP sucks…our second unit, however, is a breath of fresh air.
-I have no idea why Dupuis was on the first line and Comrie was on the fourth by the 3rd period. I love DB, but that’s just bad. Duper showed good energy, but not 1st line energy and certainly not energy that would put Comrie on the 4th line.
-Tangradi played well, I thought. Seems like the coaches are spoon feeding him, though. Loved the play he made on the Gogo goal.
-I haven’t even talked about Gogo! He played very well. Moved the puck nicely and probably could of had two goals.
-I didn’t think the 3rd line had a good day today, with TestTube on the 2nd line. That being said, the 4th line looked great and more than did their job.
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If Z is out for an extended period of time, it’s huge. This guy already brings so much to this team.
That scares me a little. We’re deep but a shoulder injury will keep the guy out for a few weeks at the minimum. If we don’t get Orpik back, I’m a bit apprehensive to see Engelland & Lovejoy take extended minutes.
Gogo! He played very well. Moved the puck nicely and probably could of had two goals.
He’s been reasonably consistent all three games. Part of me still thinks he’s a heart attack waiting to happen but playing 20 plus minutes today? Gives me a lil hope.
I get more and more impressed by what Paul Martin brings.
This guy can’t do anything wrong. He’s lightning going up the ice & very solid defensively. He is first star in today’s game IMO. Or at least 1A to Brent.
It’s very scary with how good we look and Sid & Geno haven’t even gotten going yet.
OMG, I’m begging!
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I’m a bit apprehensive to see Engelland & Lovejoy take extended minutes.
As am I, but it can only help them in the long run right?
Part of me still thinks he’s a heart attack waiting to happen but playing 20 plus minutes today?
LOL my thoughts exactly…and he played almost 30 minutes today.
OMG, I’m begging!
What’s going on with those two? They can’t buy points…Sheesh. I mean, I’m not worried or anything, but one point for each in three games?! Man.
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I think beyond the obvious issues on the PP, Sid & Geno look great. I would just like to see less cutesy play & more slinging the puck at the net. It’s mostly that and a combination of horrible luck that we’re not seeing more goals.
If they just keep at it, we’ll be fine.
Here’s the thing about losing BOTH Z & Orpik. The original reason why we were okay with GoGo playing w/ a rookie was that we had 2 very strong pairings. With our first pair completely out, this is going to be an issue. Even if Gogo looks crazy solid!
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They’ll mix up the D pairings, but I doubt Gogo will be playing with a rookie full time.
I swear, idk what to say about the PP anymore. Idk how it can be the coach’s fault anymore. The 1st unit looks like shit, but the 2nd PP looks good. Sid and Geno just want to the perfect play. I will say this, Sid finally drove the net once today and got the best chance the 1st unit had all day. We need more of that.
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There were a couple of shifts when the Devils were on the PP and I found myself yelling… “TakeNotes guys”!!!
Much as I want our boys to win, they need to execute better…
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by Alighieri on Oct 11, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crosby is playing a fair amount of PK with Staal out. Those are hard minutes. Add them to the power play time (not his best time out) and I think it will be harder to get those points. Another reason to praise and appreciate Staal
He had 13 seconds of PK time tonight. I see what you mean, though. I still don’t think that’s an excuse.
The PP time certainly isn’t an excuse either lol.
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I thought Gogo had a great game, and I’m doubly impressed upon realizing that he played over 27 minutes.
Also, not sure what you mean by saying the coaches are “spoon feeding” Tangradi. Can you explain?
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Like they’re kind of treating him like a rookie, when he’s playing in a top 6 role. You know, he gets his minutes with Malkin, but then he gets taken off the line at times.
Basically, they’re not completely throwing him into the fire.
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Oh, okay. I guess I wouldn’t call that “spoon feeding”, but I see what you’re after. And I assume you’d agree, but I think this kind of treatment is a good thing. Guys need to be protected a bit as they develop and continue to work their way into the NHL.
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Yeah, it is a good thing. Usually, a rookie doesn’t start in the top 6 where he can’t really be spoon-fed, if you will.
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-I have no idea why Dupuis was on the first line and Comrie was on the fourth by the 3rd period. I love DB, but that’s just bad. Duper showed good energy, but not 1st line energy and certainly not energy that would put Comrie on the 4th line.
I don’t think this was a demotion of any kind other than DB trying to catch the Devils off guard. Comrie can go first line and fourth line, but could potentially be more deadly on the fourth since he not only adds a strong forecheck but can also use that scoring touch we saw in the preseason. Now, if he can only carry it over to the regular season soon, all the better.
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True. Good point.
I hope we see Comrie get more time on Sid’s line. Since the 2nd line looked great tonight, he should get a tryout.
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Did the Devils circunvent the CBA. Anyone knows?
I thought you had to dress 18 players, according to the CBA. If I’m wrong please somebody correct me. A great game buy BJ no mater what some are commenting that he didn’t have much work in first 2 periods. That’s incorrect, is not the number of shots is the quality of the shots, and he stopped some very good ones. Martin I thought should have been one of the three stars of the game, but we all know how that goes, specially being in NJ. Letestu is getting ore and more confident, playing well and not looking out of place. So is Tangradi, he just has to get to score the garbage goal on the rebounds, but I like what both of them are doing, going to the net and bothering the goalie.
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Apparently, they called it an “emergency” which makes it ok. Bob Mackenzie speculated what would happen if they have to call it an “emergency” for more than a couple of games.
The Devils are in a mess. Kovalchuk sure didn’t play very well for a guy who’s hurting his teammates.
Martin I thought should have been one of the three stars of the game, but we all know how that goes, specially being in NJ.
Yeah, what’s the beef with him and NJ? I mean, did he leave the team in a bad way? I can guarantee Gonch won’t be booed like that in the Burgh.
Letestu is getting ore and more confident, playing well and not looking out of place. So is Tangradi, he just has to get to score the garbage goal on the rebounds, but I like what both of them are doing, going to the net and bothering the goalie.
TestTube looked awesome. I said after the Habs game, but he’s looked like he’s been on this team for 2 seasons rather than 12 games.
Gradi made a great play on the first goal. He seems to be improving every game, which is really all you can ask of a rookie.
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As PensFan8725 indicated, there’s an “emergency” out.
16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(b) Except in case of emergency, there shall be no reduction of the required minimum Playing Rosters of the Clubs, below eighteen (18) skaters and two (2) goaltenders.
(and Playing roster = players who are dressed to play)
The question in my mind is whether this really constitutes an “emergency”. No doubt Lou & Co. will say yes, while I think that’s a load of fairly unpleasant material. Technically, they should have been forced to purge their roster of a guy with a higher salary in order to make room for some lower-salary call-ups. It would seem pretty ridiculous for the Devils to have to demote a guy just for cap reasons, but that’s the reality. And it’s pretty ridiculous that they played with only 9 forwards, anyway …
I’m not expecting the league to do anything about it (unless it carries on past a couple of games, which there is some precedent for). But I wish they would.
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The question in my mind is whether this really constitutes an "emergency". No doubt Lou & Co. will say yes, while I think that’s a load of fairly unpleasant material.
It’s not really an emergency, but it is. What I mean by that is what can the Devils do? They can’t go over the cap because their injured players are not on LTIR.
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They can send players down and replace them with cheaper guys. Other teams leave room under the cap so that they can use it for call-ups. Since the Devils chose not to do that, they should be forced to send players down (likely risking them on the waiver wire as a result). I call it “consequences”.
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Apparently the Devils only have about $100,000 under the cap. The league minimum is around $500,000. They can’t even afford to bring someone in at league minimum.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
That’s the point. They have to send someone from their roster down in order to clear enough space to call up multiple (but cheaper) guys. (I did hear, btw, that they’ve sent someone through waivers today … but not sure if they’ve called anyone up to replace him).
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Going to be interesting to see where that team stands in the middle of the season when injuries start to pile up, as they usually do for most teams around that time.
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In other words Lou and Co once again circumvented the cap. What b.s. this league is. Thank all for your answer, I didn’t know Lou would call an emergency signing guys with blatant disregard.
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In other words Lou and Co once again circumvented the cap.
In my opinion, yes.
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They can call it whatever the hell they want. I’m still calling shenanigans!
There are even former players unhappy about it. http://bit.ly/cPRUbO
NHL better be doing stuff about it.
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Bob Grove was asked about the amount of players that had to be dressed on his post game show last evening. He said there is no rule stating a minimum number of players a team has to dress. You can dress 20 but you can go as low as you want. They are going to have to stay with 17 till their guys come back from injury. That Kovy contract is a killer. But, then again, so are several other contracts on the Devils. Lou really shat the bed this year.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
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anyone know where I can find Michalek stuff?
I’m looking on NHL.com for a jersey or a shirt jersey (shersey?), but I can’t find anything. Nothing on Yahoo either.
He really is the Pens invisible beast. Hope he’s ok.
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I’m an impatient fan in California lol.
I’m a part of the digital age – I want it now!
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The Pens have other players besides Sid, Geno, Staal, and Flower?
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I have been a Penguins fan since the 70’s, and I don’t want to be a hater, but with Fleury’s numbers last season/ Playoffs/ This early season, he is lucky he’s still in the NHL…Everyone is quick to crucify Price.. Fleury’s numbers are considerably worse, yet you hear nothing.. Thankfully the Pens admin had the brains to play Johnson tonight and look how things turned out…Keep playing Johnson, let him get into the game.. Make Fleury earn his starting position back. I’m not saying the Fleury is not talanted, because I think that he is..I think he needs a wake up call.. Letting in 3 goals/ game and a Save % under 900 is backup goalie material… This is not a recent thing.. this went on all last season…I’m sick of watching my team dominate in game play and lose.. Where is the Fleury from the playoff’s 2 years ago? Anyway on a bright note, Tangradi and Letestu look fantastic..Overall the team is playing fairly well, but you have to have a Goalie..
I’d understand your point if all of those goals were his fault, but only one of them was. The other five he had no chance on.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a Fleury supporter by and large, but he did cost the Pens that game against the Habs. But unlike a lot of people who crucify him after a bad outing, I still remain confident that he can pull it together. I don’t think the Pens want to rely on Johnson for the entire season. First off, he’s proven over the years with numerous teams that he’s not the most durable, so there’s that risk. And secondly, the Pens aren’t paying Fleury to sit at the end of the bench.
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A goals a goal
That’s pretty funny ( I said that all last year) and I do agree with you, however 3 goals are 3 goals. There is no explanation on the save percentage stat column..There will always be defensive break downs, heck even with New Jersey.. But that is when you need your goalie to bail you out . I agree some of the goals weren’t his fault. He wasn’t the reason they lost the first 2 games, but he was the reason they didn’t win… Brent Johnson was a major factor in the win tonight..
Apparently you didn’t even read what I said.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re my new favorite person.
Honestly, I would love to have Fleury play amazing every night and have everyone here get on my ass about it, because then that means the Pens are dominating. But he hasn’t been playing that way at all, you are right. Does he have what it takes, sure he does, but I agree with you and think it is a great idea to give Johnson the starting duties for a bit and make Fleury earn his spot back, that will give him time to realize he has got to find a different way to let bad goals go other than just skating to his right with his head down and then getting back in between the pipes with his head down.
There have been plenty of great athletes in the past who have had similar treatment and they always came back better and stronger than ever. And no, Johnson isn’t a starting goalie and we can’t possibly think about leaning on him, but he is one hell of a back up.
This early season, he is lucky he’s still in the NHL…
Oh geez.
I’ve heard a lot of things about Flower, but I haven’t heard that before.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Dumbest thing I’ve read all day.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They’d have to take down the Fleury #29 banner over at WBS for him to come back. That ought to tell you something.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he`s saying that if his name wasn`t `Marc Andre Fleury`, then those type of #`s would be cause for demotion….and he`s right.
I love Flower too, tons of MAF stuff, and have cheered him since he played for the Canadian World Juniors. But ALOT of what dee54 said was spot on. Fleury has not played solid (never mind spectacular) for us since the 2009 SCF, in my opinion…
I don`t see anything wrong with playing Johnson a few extra games and having Fleury `earn` (obviously its his) back his starting position. I would see it no different than Bylsma giving the 2nd PP unit time over Sid and Geno`s. Are they more talented than the 1st Unit? Absolutely not, but until they start producing, you have to go with what works…
Ease up a bit, Slayer. Even with your MAF glasses on, surely you can see that this is an idea worth trying? Its about the PENGUINS, no player is bigger than the team, even a lovable french Canadian one…
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he`s saying that if his name wasn`t `Marc Andre Fleury`, then those type of #`s would be cause for demotion. Fleury has not played solid (never mind spectacular) for us since the 2009 SCF, in my opinion…
Pretty sure if his name wasn’t Sergei Gonchar, his play would’ve been cause for demotion. Gonch has never played solid since the 2009 playoffs, in my opinion.
I mean, seriously? It’s a two way street here, guys. You don’t have ridiculous #s when your D is 22nd in the league.
As I’ve said before, I won’t excuse his play last year in the playoffs, but don’t suggest that he should be demoted because of it. I mean, think about what you’re suggesting. Who’d we play? Johnson? LOL.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, I`m NOT saying we should demote him!
Just trying to help illustrate the point….
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Then what were you saying? I mean, what was the point you were trying to make here?
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just agreeing that Fleury has struggled for awhile now, seems to be inconsistent, and may benefit from being pushed for starts from Brent Johnson…
Thought the 2nd half of my post was pretty clear on that.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don`t see anything wrong with playing Johnson a few extra games and having Fleury `earn` (obviously its his) back his starting position. I would see it no different than Bylsma giving the 2nd PP unit time over Sid and Geno`s. Are they more talented than the 1st Unit? Absolutely not, but until they start producing, you have to go with what works…
Not really. Nothing that takes back the fact that you said he should be demoted.
Looks like you realized how dumb the accusations being made here are.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone help this guy? I`m not sure how to explain it any clearer.
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That is all. And yes, there are PLENTY of goalies that have sub .900 SV% that get demoted. Will Fleuy? No. Do I personally think he should? No.
Just agreeing with the statement that numbers like that, COULD get someone demoted. Not someone as entrenched as MAF, of course.
There, how`s that?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone help this woman?
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Lol I don’t but that’s not the point here. First of all, you’re making something out of nothing with the BJ start. He started because it would’ve been MAF’s 3rd game in 5 days, with an even busier week ahead. BJ’s not going to start the next game, I bet MAF will be right back in.
Will Fleuy? No. Do I personally think he should? No.
You’re right there. He won’t, but that’s not what you said:
Pretty sure he`s saying that if his name wasn`t `Marc Andre Fleury`, then those type of #`s would be cause for demotion….and he`s right.
You agreed with him, dude. Now we’re just nitpicking here. Even if you meant that he could get demoted, it’s still nuts to agree that Flower “Shouldn’t even be in the league.”
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Man, I was saying that a no-name goalie with those type of numbers could get demoted.
Not a proven goalie like MAF, who could easily bounce back.
And part of getting Fleury to bounce back could involve having Johnson push him for starts….
Can`t make it any simpler than that, PF8725.
Your stuck on the 1st line of one post, which you have misinterpreted, and seem to be ignoring the ten other posts where I`ve made it quite clear that Fleury would never be demoted, and nor do I wish for him to be.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, how am I making more of Johnson`s start than it was? Don`t remember ever mentioning anything about Johnson starting that game due to anything to do with Fleury. I`m well aware of why he started, which is for the reasons you stated….just wanted to clear that up, there`s enough contention here already, lol.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don`t see anything wrong with playing Johnson a few extra games and having Fleury `earn` (obviously its his) back his starting position.
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Where does it mention in there that Johnson started the NJ game cause of Fleury related issues though?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Where doesn’t it?
Johnson had just started the NJ game when that comment was made. How was I supposed to know you weren’t talking about the games after this one?
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And part of getting Fleury to bounce back could involve having Johnson push him for starts….
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Will bounce back
Of course Fleury will bounce back…However make no mistake about it.. If Fleury would have won the first two games he would have started against the Devils…
I’m still not convinced. It’s a long season & Disco Dan knows he needs to keep his goalies fresh. Otherwise see: Luongo, Robert
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Don’t think he would’ve.
The Pens have a crazy busy schedule.
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Same Schedule
As everone else: 82 games.
Some are more spread out then others, but that is no excuse—not that you were making one.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Our schedule, especially, in the next week is very busy. Like 3 game in 4 days, then one game every other day.
That’s why Flower didn’t start at NJ.
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CRAP
Those nasty Wings just scored on the Avs again. Urgh.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I did say Johnson should get some more starts in the future to push Fleury….I didn`t say that he started in NJ because of Fleury related issues….
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, how was I supposed to know that when BJ had just started a game? You said:
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I didn’t know if that was in the future or now.
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Same thing here:
And part of getting Fleury to bounce back could involve having Johnson push him for starts….
How was I supposed to know the “issues” you spoke of weren’t the “issues” he had against the Flyers?
Clarity. Clarity. Clarity.
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What are you talking about?
You said that I was making more of Johnson starting than it was, I am saying that I am not, I know that he would have started regardless of anything to do with Fleury, because of the busy schedule.
I do think that in the future, maybe Johnson has earned some more starts, and hopefully sitting a few extra games here and there that he might normally have gotten the start might motivate him, knowing the Pens wouldnt hesitate to play BJ if Fleury was not up to par.
I feel like you keep putting words in my mouth, then when I tell you I didnt say that, you say, ¨well, you didnt NOT say it¨ and then not listening when I explain myself.
Im really being quite clear, and have restated myself many, many times in an attempt to clarify further.
So, if you didnt know (and subsequently got mad over something you didnt understand), then now you do…
And I think you mean issues against the Habs?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, for clarity`s sake, if Fleury continues to `struggle` or let in soft goals that cost us, I would be in favour of Johnson spelling him more often.
If you can`t understand that, I can`t do anything else for ya…
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That comment was actually pretty clear. Thanks for not making me have to assume what you mean.
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I realize you clarified yourself, but when you did, you acted like what you meant was so obvious the first time. It wasn’t obvious the first time.
That’s a little confusing to explain, so here’s your first comments in full:
I don`t see anything wrong with playing Johnson a few extra games and having Fleury `earn` (obviously its his) back his starting position
Can someone help this guy? I`m not sure how to explain it any clearer.
I
agree
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starting
Johnson
a
few
more
games.That is all. And yes, there are PLENTY of goalies that have sub .900 SV% that get demoted. Will Fleuy? No. Do I personally think he should? No.
Just agreeing with the statement that numbers like that, COULD get someone demoted. Not someone as entrenched as MAF, of course.
There, how`s that?
There’s nothing, in either of those comments, that says you didn’t mean he should start the next few games instead of more games sporadically in the future. Your comments actually implies that you meant BJ should start the next few games over Flower more than it leaves it open for interpretation.
So, because the second comment wasn’t clear, I put two and two together.
Flower should have to “earn” his job back? →Johnson should start more games? → Johnson started the last game → He means Johnson should start the next few games as well.
I believe that’s called comprehension. It’s actually pretty ironic that you were talking about being so crystal clear, when you weren’t really at all.
You said this:
Where does it mention in there that Johnson started the NJ game cause of Fleury related issues though?
When, before that, you said this:
I don`t see anything wrong with playing Johnson a few extra games and having Fleury `earn` (obviously its his) back his starting position
and this:
Man, I was saying that a no-name goalie with those type of numbers could get demoted.
Not a proven goalie like MAF, who could easily bounce back.
And part of getting Fleury to bounce back could involve having Johnson push him for starts….
Can`t make it any simpler than that, PF8725.
Your stuck on the 1st line of one post, which you have misinterpreted, and seem to be ignoring the ten other posts where I`ve made it quite clear that Fleury would never be demoted, and nor do I wish for him to be.
Again, how was I supposed to know the “bounce back” didn’t mean against the Habs? I mean, why else would Flower have to “earn” his job back?
It wasn’t clear, so that’s is how I interpreted it.
Yes, I realize you clarified yourself after you made both of these comments. Thank you for that. However, when you clarified, you made it sound like it was crystal clear in the first place and that I was somehow misinterpreting it. To which, I respond, how the hell was I supposed to know what you meant?
And I think you mean issues against the Habs?
Perfect example.
I made a typing error, but because I was clear in the first place, you pretty much knew what I meant.
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Just teaching a lesson about clarity here.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I’m just tired of being accused of not being able to read and not being able to comprehend. When, in reality, I was trying to interpret something that wasn’t clear in the first place.
Forgive me for being upset about that.
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Alright, give it a rest.
You are upset because you read something and assumed wrong, dont blame me dude.
The common thread through all of this, is that you ASSUMED way too many times instead of just reading the post.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
oh brother... here we go again
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Yep, Im done.
Pensfan8725, no hard feelings, we just seemed to be going in circles, for whatever reason. We can agree on one thing though, GO PENS!
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by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Read my last comment, do what it asks of you, then we’re done.
I won’t let you tell me that I’m some retard and not look at your own writing.
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O That is sooooooooooo
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 13, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I read the post, it wasn’t clear, so you made me assume. Then, when I commented about it, you accused me of not reading correctly.
How can I not blame you? You’re the one that wrote it lol!
Show me where it clearly states that you meant BJ would get more starts, sporadically throughout the year instead of consecutive starts after this one. Show me how that one “bounce back” comment doesn’t imply that BJ starting had to do with MAF’s benching. Come on. I dare you to succinctly analyze your own writing. If you don’t, I’ll know why.
And you think you have to repeat things to me. Jesus Christ, learn how to not contradict yourself.
I’m sorry, I’m just tired of you acting like I’m some dumb shit who can’t read and comprehend. I would let it go if not for that.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to sound petty, but I won’t accept an apology over the internet. I definitely don’t want you to call me either.
So, would you just do what I asked of you? I don’t think you read that really long comment, otherwise you wouldn’t of responded like that.
Since you seem to think I’m a ****ing idiot, I want you to go back and explain it for me.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For my part, I felt like even if I was unclear on the first two posts, I more than cleared it up in my following posts. You will have to excuse me if I misspoke/typed.
Then, at least to me, it seemed like you kept referencing those posts even after I had made my true intentions clear. That is why I was frustrated, and felt the need to repeat my clarified posts. Lol, I even had a friend read the chain to see if I was trippin¨, and he seemed to be able to follow what I was saying. Then again, he was probably seeing it from my point of view.
I can see now that maybe I was a little unclear, and I apologize. Like I said, we are all fans of MAF here, so thats really all that matters.
You can accept that or not, its really no skin off my nose. Pretty sure I didnt refer to you as an idiot, just said I thought maybe you werent understanding my posts due to not reading them through, since had kind of said that in the previous comment.
Youve proven yourself otherwise, and again, I apologize.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Then, at least to me, it seemed like you kept referencing those posts even after I had made my true intentions clear.
You were the one who kept asking about it, which is why I kept bring it up.
BTW, how am I making more of Johnson`s start than it was? Don`t remember ever mentioning anything about Johnson starting that game due to anything to do with Fleury. I`m well aware of why he started, which is for the reasons you stated….just wanted to clear that up, there`s enough contention here already, lol.
I answered with one of your quotes:
I don`t see anything wrong with playing Johnson a few extra games and having Fleury `earn` (obviously its his) back his starting position.
Then you asked again:
Where does it mention in there that Johnson started the NJ game cause of Fleury related issues though?
So, I answered again:
Where doesn’t it?
Johnson had just started the NJ game when that comment was made. How was I supposed to know you weren’t talking about the games after this one?
Then you asked:
What are you talking about?
On and on and on…
Bottom line: I would’ve stopped referencing if you would’ve stopped asking!
That is all.
I don’t apologize. Idk why – I guess I’m just a bitch like that.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a godamn bitch and a fucking moron. I was trying to let you off the hook, and be the bigger man.
Read that comment you just posted. First you accuse me of saying Johnson started because of Fleurys game against the Habs, which I didnt. Then I tell you I didnt say that, and you answer me with a quote that has nothing to do with it.
So I ask you, what relevance does this have to it, and you say what doesnt it have or some ridiculous childish thing, and start talking about something entirely different, and start talking about future games. We were talking about the Jersey game, where the fuck did that from? You cant stay on topic, and keep circling around when I make a point and starting on something else. You make no fucking sense and come off like a fucking idiot who cant get my explanations through his skull.
I tried to end it and even apologized multiple times, even though NO ONE made the assumptions you did.
Sorry everyone, but this was my one of first times posting, and now I regret ever doing it. Alot of cool peeps on here, I had the luck of running into the douche of the bunch obviously.
See ya.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re just making yourself look like a jack ass.
You are a godamn bitch and a fucking moron. I was trying to let you off the hook, and be the bigger man.
You really sound like it.
Read that comment you just posted. First you accuse me of saying Johnson started because of Fleurys game against the Habs, which I didnt. Then I tell you I didnt say that, and you answer me with a quote that has nothing to do with it.
Lol you need to read it again, that’s not how it went. You’ve got your placement all wrong.
So I ask you, what relevance does this have to it, and you say what doesnt it have or some ridiculous childish thing, and start talking about something entirely different, and start talking about future games. We were talking about the Jersey game, where the fuck did that from?
More questions. You wonder why we go around in circles. I answered all of these question already, you need to read and review more carefully.
You cant stay on topic, and keep circling around when I make a point and starting on something else. You make no fucking sense and come off like a fucking idiot who cant get my explanations through his skull.
So you haven’t been reading my comments. If you had, you would know that I’m a woman. FYI, I wouldn’t break out the F bombs…that’ll get you banned pretty quick.
I tried to end it and even apologized multiple times, even though NO ONE made the assumptions you did.
I love that you admit that your lack of clarity forced me to assume.
Also I was the only one who had to assume because I was the only one that called out your crap. Besides, it was my comments that you were replying to.
Sorry everyone, but this was my one of first times posting, and now I regret ever doing it. Alot of cool peeps on here, I had the luck of running into the douche of the bunch obviously.
Lol now you’re just trying to make yourself look like the innocent one. This isn’t one of your first times posting, all I have to do is look at your profile page to see that you’ve posted many times since at least September. See ya anyways.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hats off to you Madam, you are a master troll.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 13, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
And yep, I didn`t realize you were a woman. The only clue you gave me was when you said `I`m a bitch like that`.
See, I thought you were using it as a slang term, referring to your petty non-acceptance of my apology.
You really should have been more clear, I had no choice but to assume. It`s not my fault I assumed wrong, its yours! I know you clarified it, but you still accuse me of being a f****** idiot and not reading your posts, and I can`t let that stand….
lol, sound familiar…?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 13, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You're an idiot.
I corrected you the first time you called me a man, about 20 comments ago:
“Can somebody help this man?”
To which I replied:
Can someone help this woman?
It’s called clarity.
It’s a shame you missed it.
Hats off to you Madam, you are a master troll.
I’ve been posting here for two years, and I’m the troll?
LOL. Wow, I believe that’s called a desperation insult.
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Come on now. No need to throw F bombs out there. I think this entire argument got a bit out of hand. If I didn’t know better I’d say someone is pre-law, but that’s just my assumption.
In any case, I think you’re both wrong. Fleury and Johnson shouldn’t play on any given night ever and the Pens should skate with six forwards. But that’s just my opinion.
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But that’s justmyan opinion I borrowed from PAYD.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 13, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I suggested it before the season started. You stole borrowed it from me.
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Now, now you too! No more arguing! lol
I`ve seen where this stuff can lead! :P
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. Besides, Frank knows if I had more time, and wasn’t hopelessly lazy, I would find the thread where I suggested it first. Of course I didn’t read the fine print that all opinions expressed on Pensburgh become property of Frank.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That fine print will get you every time….
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 13, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Your stuck on the 1st line of one post, which you have misinterpreted, and seem to be ignoring the ten other posts where I`ve made it quite clear that Fleury would never be demoted, and nor do I wish for him to be.
Read my other comments again. I address other things you said. I also addressed your previous post in which you said he would never get demoted. I agreed with it.
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I think you need to go read the comment again. He wasn’t suggesting that if MAF wasn’t MAF, he wouldn’t be in the NHL. He was plain ol suggesting he shouldn’t be in the NHL.
Pretty sure he`s saying that if his name wasn`t `Marc Andre Fleury`, then those type of #`s would be cause for demotion….and he`s right.
I know you said he shouldn’t be demote. This comment, however, isn’t right. You think Johnson could put up better than Fleury? Furthermore, you think an AHL goaltender like Thessien would put up similar #‘s to Flower? That’s what you’re insinuating. A .906% and 2.88 GAA in the NHL aren’t even good enough to be backup numbers?
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You think Johnson could put up better numbers than Fleury?
…Thessien would put up similar #‘s to Flower in the NHL?
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No. But Pechurskiy might. ;D
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Oh yeah, he’s totally the exception.
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I feel bad for the kid. ONE game in the NHL & we’re hyping him like the next Tretiak.
I don’t envy the kid when he does make his big NHL debut, furrealss this time
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Pechurskiy would be able to make every save in every game, AND QB the PP to an 83% success rate. And then after volunteer at a soup kitchen and do cancer research.
All while flying a jumbo jet to pick up destitute Penguin fans from all around the world so they can watch games at the Consol. What a guy!
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Alex, I hope you’re watching the tube – Pechurskiy is rescuing the miners in Chile.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 13, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
And what did the Pens do with Gonchar again….hmmm.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we have our hosts for Pensburgh's Point/Counterpoint show
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“Dan, you pompous ass”
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 13, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The “up” button has never been so useful.
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I’m not even sure to whom I replied on that. Couldn’t reply at the bottom of the long exchange or the image would have been cropped.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 13, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always gotten hell over Flower
And my criticism on him. He could be better IMO, but he hasn’t taken the next step in becoming a standout NHL goalie. That next step being the ability to understand what he can and can’t control, and bounce back from a goal scored. He looks like he’s pressing after every goal. Sometimes he tightens up, but usually he scares the shiznit outta me. Look at an old guy like Brodeur and a new guy like Neuvirth. THEY get it. They are unflappable. MAF is very flappable. If this team doesn’t score 3-4 every night, a win comes a lot harder if at all.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I agree… I’m one of Flower’s biggest defenders but as a fan, it sucks that every shot that flies at MAF creates a minor heart palpitation for me.
There is no such thing as a routine save for the poor guy.
Guys like Luongo, Lundqvist & Brodeur, you can breathe easy because there are some shots you just know they’re gonna get. The second Flower gets that the better we are for it.
I think Flower’s biggest strength is his mental strength. He can pull wins out from anywhere & has the ability to focus on making big, big saves. He just takes shifts off. If he took every routine shot & bobble that comes his way like it was Lidstrom in Game 7, he’ll be the best goalie in the world.
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That’s where the need for the mental toughness comes in, or his lack of it.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fleury has played very well this season except for 3 minutes of gametime. Those three minutes cost the game against the Habs no doubt. That’s why I think he was on the bench this game. That was his wakeup call. He is not a backup and this crap drives me crazy.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
That’s why I think he was on the bench this game. That was his wakeup call. He is not a backup and this crap drives me crazy.
I wasn’t even that. Yesterday’s game would’ve been his 3rd game in 5 days, with an even busier week coming up. He wasn’t benched because of that goal, which makes the “backup” crap even crazier.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
so, i was at this game. thoughts i had:
-where in the actual hell would we be without mark letestu?
-johnson played wonderfully.
-i think i swore (i know i did this, actually), screamed (know i did this too), and sobbed when i saw michalek go down. he didn’t look good getting up. but he’s a beast, and he’ll make it through.
-paul martin had the BEST, most smug look on his face during the empty net goal. well deserved after the boos EVERY. DANG. TIME. he touched the puck.
-gogo was the happiest duckling in the pond today. he was so danged happy.
-our defense makes me swoon.
-however, our power play makes me wanna kill puppies.
that’s all for now.
TANGRADI FOR CALDER.
i’m now convinced that i’m a good luck charm. the pens organization should buy me tickets to every game. we’ll never lose again. ;)
but seriously, it was a fantastic game for us. we did super well.
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by katielynn906 on Oct 11, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Killing puppies
I think the “killing puppies” section of the actual hell is where we’d be without mark letestu.
But how is it, exactly, that you think killing puppies would help our power play? I mean, I keep imagining it happening (PP goes out; PP is terrible; Katie kills puppies; rinse and repeat), and not once does the simulation in my head produce a better power play. Although, clearly nothing else is working either, so … maybe you’re on to something?
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over.
bahahahaha! at this point, anything will help the power play.
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by katielynn906 on Oct 11, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved Martin’s reaction to his empty. He just walked it in and skated away…
I scored. No big deal… /shrugs/
He scores 10 points just for that
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he just had this slight smirk on his face. it was fantastic.
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by katielynn906 on Oct 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fleury
Don’t get me wrong Fleury is currently the only option for a starter in Pittsburgh. I’m just suggesting that maybe they should make him feel a little bit of competition to perhaps elevate his game. He’s a great goalie, he’s just got something going on that needs to be sorted out quickly.
I don’t think so.
He was very good in the first game and had a great 57 minutes against the Habs. Every goalie lets in bad goals. It could be argued that Letang was also at fault on that goal. What I’m trying to say, is that Flower shouldn’t have to compete for his starting job. He deserves much better than that.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly, he looked a bit miffed after the game that he didn’t get the first win. i mean, he was still happy flower, but he looked miffed.
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by katielynn906 on Oct 11, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sick of seeing the excuse that Flower played a great 57 minutes against the Habs. Hockey games are 60 minutes. Not 57. He clearly does not play a full 60 minute hockey game, no matter what he does.
Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.
That explanation is for people suggesting Flower should have to compete for his starting job. It’s not like he played a shit game. He let one bad goal go by.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But he’s been letting “one bad goal go by” since last year. And I do think he needs to compete for his job, or at least be benched for a few more games to see if it does wake him up.
That would work if Johnson was a superior goaltender, which he is not.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying he is, but that’s kind of the point.
“Hey Fleury, you’re our starter and franchise goalie, but you’ve been sucking so we’re going to start Johnson who is a back up through and through, but we just have more trust in him right now.”
That wouldn’t get you thinking and motivated?
No. It would make me think “Johnson has been a career backup goaltender for a reason. I’ll wait patiently until they come crawling back to give me the starting job.”
The coaches have no leverage on Fleury to pull something like that. Johnson is not starter material, and he never has been.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
10 years ago, I might add, and hasn’t been a starter since.
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and he never has been
Still started though.
“Calmer than you are.” That’s what this just reminded me of. Oh Big Lebowski.
Big Lebowski is easily in my Top 10. Along with Fear and Loathing and American Psycho, to name a few.
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Should I and my loved ones be concerned that American Psycho is one of the staple falling asleep movies, meaning I can put that on and fall asleep with no problems?
Nah, that’s ok. But once you start doodling in notebooks, there is room for concern.
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American Psycho. Watched that with some friends in early June, and it led to a plethora of running jokes throughout the summer. Big fun!
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That’s nice, but it does nothing to counter my overall point.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Really Slayer, you don`t have more faith that Fleury has PRIDE in his job, and that he would just sulk until he could say `I told you so`?
I would like to think that as a professional athlete, this would motivate you. Can`t see Fleury shrugging his shoulders and waiting til they play him again, can you? Something tells me practices would be more intense, focus would be sharper, and the goalie Fleury is capable of being would start to show…
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If I was in Fleury’s shoes? I would just wait patiently until they gave me the starting job back. I’d be comfortable in the knowledge that I’m the starting goaltender and Johnson is a career backup for a reason, and let my stellar performance on all but one goal this season speak for itself.
The fact that we’re even having this conversation is a tribute to how stupid Pittsburgh fans are. God.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 12, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This response proves to me that you have never played on a team before and you’re just like every other young athlete these days who think they are God’s gift to sports entertainment.
And in case you haven’t been following along, we’re not just jumping on him from one goal, we’re jumping on him because he picked up right where he left off last season- letting in horrible goals that he should be stopping. Why you can’t get past that or understand it, I don’t know.
And if you think Pittsburgh fans are so stupid, then shove off. Why subject yourself to such stupidity?
Thanks for the insult, there bud.
For future reference….not agreeing with SlayerGhaleon = Stupid, correct?
I am acknowledging that Fleury is obviously the starting goalie, in fact I`m not sure anyone is really arguing otherwise. Just saying that if he is not getting us the wins, and BJ is,, there is a capable backup goalie for a reason.
How come there is not the same outrage when it`s suggested that the 2nd PP unit get time over our precious Sid and Geno?
PS – Keep it civil dude, I mean, what are you, Fleury`s mom? A little overprotective, aren`t we? He`s a big boy, and a pro athlete he can take it.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is this Fleury sulking bull shit coming from? Now, y’all are just making shit up. Complain and whine about a squeaky goal all you want, but questioning a guys character when, in reality, you have no idea what he’s really like after a loss, is ridiculous.
I’ve never heard that he sulks after a loss or that he “waits” to say “I told you so,” but I have heard that him and Crosby are the most competitive guys on the team. He’s fun off the ice, but intense on it.
Oh and, by the way, you don’t get to the National Hockey League without pride.
What a bunch of bull shit.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LEARN TO READ!!
It was a hypothetical, in NO WAY did I say he was sulking. I was saying, that in Slayers scenario, that would be what he in essence be doing, waiting smugly or sulkily (take your pick) for the chance to say `I told you so` when the Pens come crawling back.
The scenario I DISAGREED with.
I AGREE you don`t get to the NHL without pride, THATS WHAT I SAID.
Wow.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I only read this:
LEARN TO READ!!
NO WAY
I DISAGREED
I AGREE
THATS WHAT I SAID.
haha! You have to admit, that’s funny.
It would’ve been funnier, if you would’ve put “that’s what she said,” though.
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So…you agree that I shouldn’t learn how to read?!
Haha. omg…I am having way too much fun with this.
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It seems you`ve only been reading parts of my posts all day…
Maybe that`s the problem….?
Try reading a post all the way through, and I guarantee that reading comprehension problem you have will improve.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll admit, I’ve had trouble getting trough some of your comments with the ridiculousness that’s been embedded through them.
You have to admit, the caps words are pretty funny. Oh the double negatives.
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This is probably what was actually said
"Hey Fleury, you’ve played 2 games in 3 days. We know we’re going to need you down the stretch, so we don’t want you playing 3 games in 5 days. BJ’s gonna start this game."
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The talk was about the future.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree with most of your Fleury-related opinions, but I do agree that competition is good for Fleury. He plays great “statement” games, and if competition from a backup goaltender can turn every night into the need for a bit of a statement, then more the better for the Pens!
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Competition is great. I’m all for that, but I don’t think his starting job should be in jeopardy.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Competition is great in theory but there is no threat to MAFs job. He knows that there is no way he loses his starting job to BJ without playing terribly for a long time. He would know that any benching is just for show and not a threat. So anyone advocating that Fluery be benched for a while is suggesting that the Pens hamstring themselves for a while in the hopes that MAF doesn’t call their bluff.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
by PensFan024 on Oct 12, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he’s looked good for about 117 minutes of ice time this year…
I think it could be argued that the D had some to do with that last year. I’m not going to make excuses for him in the playoffs or say that he was a steady goaltender at any point last year. However, he has looked very sharp this season. Let me put it this way, if you were to judge Flower on this season without thinking about that one goal against the Habs, what would you say?
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t think about the goal he let go right through his legs from a horrible angle, but I would think about the goal he let Cammelleri get where he was facing in the complete opposite direction. And I would say, ya, that about sums it up.
What about his overall play, if you’re not thinking about the shit goal?
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That is his overall play. Every game he gives up some type of ridiculous goal or is so out of position that it makes him look like a jackass. And we all know what happens with that. It’s called a snow ball.
I wouldn’t think about the goal he let go right through his legs from a horrible angle, but I would think about the goal he let Cammelleri get where he was facing in the complete opposite direction.
That’s pretty specific.
Every game he gives up some type of ridiculous goal or is so out of position that it makes him look like a jackass.
What was the bad goal versus the Flyers?
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So what goal was it against the Flyers?
I thought he gave up bad goals every game.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want to know I thought he was too aggressive and committed too early throughout that whole game. And that second goal off of the van riemsdyk rebound is proof.
The bounce off of Martin and Malkin not covering his man wasn’t it?
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not like he played a shit game
Man, you love that word. Think you might lead the Pensburgh league in S*&#^ on goal.
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Think you might lead the Pensburgh league in S*&#^ on goal.
Well, I can’t say the F word.
And it’s s-h-i-t, dude. OMG spell it right ;]
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In goal is not overall play
A goalie, has to make the save when it counts. Yo cannot let a soft one go in, with 2 minutes left in the game, and after the other team just tied. As a goalie your performance has to be 100% specially at that time of the game. It is not just one soft goal, it has been a habit by now. Let’s face it it’s a mental problem, and MAF needs to work it out. A good game by BJ tonight may be the start. I do think he could be competition for him, maybe not the whole season, but I would ride BJ as long as he is winning. And please don’t tell me “what would that do do poor Fleury”, he is not a kid anymore, he knows what to do, or else he better figure it out.
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So we’d ride BJ for two games? That’ll teach Fleury a lesson.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
As a goalie your performance has to be 100% specially at that time of the game
Right. Which explains why goalies make saves 100% of the time.
It is not just one soft goal, it has been a habit by now.
It was a habit last year. It’s one soft goal this year. Lets give it time before we start calling it a pattern.
Let’s face it it’s a mental problem, and MAF needs to work it out.
Agreed, but all goalies go through the mental issues with their game.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on the mental issues part. Read Ken Dryden’s book The Game. You’ll think twice about bashing a goalie again.
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If you are going to quote, quoe the whole paragraph, I’m talking playing 60 minutes, that’s why the good goalies get tougher as the game goes on. When it comes to soft goals, unfortunately MAF, has a bad record. And is something he should know, he has to work on. And yes I’m counting last years soft goals also, because it is a bad habit. And yes all this guys want to play, so even if it’s for 3 games he’ll get the message
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A goalie, has to make the save when it counts. Yo cannot let a soft one go in, with 2 minutes left in the game, and after the other team just tied. As a goalie your performance has to be 100% specially at that time of the game. It is not just one soft goal, it has been a habit by now. Let’s face it it’s a mental problem, and MAF needs to work it out. A good game by BJ tonight may be the start. I do think he could be competition for him, maybe not the whole season, but I would ride BJ as long as he is winning. And please don’t tell me "what would that do do poor Fleury", he is not a kid anymore, he knows what to do, or else he better figure it out.
Right. Which explains why goalies make saves 100% of the time. It was a habit last year. It’s one soft goal this year. Lets give it time before we start calling it a pattern. Agreed, but all goalies go through the mental issues with their game.
I’m talking playing 60 minutes, that’s why the good goalies get tougher as the game goes on.
That’s a good argument, but it’s not like Flower hasn’t played like that before. Just go rewatch the end of the 08-09 season and the playoffs.
And yes all this guys want to play, so even if it’s for 3 games he’ll get the message
I wouldn’t anticipate Fleury sitting for 3 games. Tonight was more about giving Flower rest than it was giving BJ the start because Flower let in a bad goal.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but all goalies go through the mental issues with their game
Yes, but the good ones correct them, MAF has had this problem since junior Hockey. All I’m saying it’s the right time for him to work them out, if he wants to be a top goalie.
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He’ll never have the stats of a top goalie, so don’t expect him to. I will agree with you on the mental issues, though.
He has had them, but I think he’s been able to control them since jr. Although they’re still there. They’re there for every goalie.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He signed a contract as a top goalie, and the media everywhere consider him a top prospect, that’s why he was drafted number 1, and I believe he has that potential (athletic ability), but has this mental issues, that can be corrected , but I’m not sure if anyone has even attempted to discuss it with him (as a coach I mean), not media or fans.
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He was drafted #1 because the Pens needed a goalie.
He was a top prospect though and he hasn’t even hit his prime.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 11, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hehasn't reach his prime
He was a top prospect, aside that the Penguins needed a goalie, so there are mo more excuses for him, it’s time to put out. How long before he reaches his prime? Also what I’m talking about is not an issue that you resolve when you “reach your prime” as a goalie. It is something that has plagued his career so far. He needs to work on it by whatever means possible. If he did not have the ability, I wouldn’t be so critical, but he has shown already that he is great in that area. Is the softies and his problem with ? concentration, I don’t know exactly how to define it. Mental toughness?, to forget what just happpened and keep playing full tilt.?
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Will He Ever
Achieve that mental toughness, grit like Roy did?
I don’t know. Roy was great and he would come out and challenge the
opposing team and get in their face……….somehow I never see Fluery doing that.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Fleury definitely doesn’t have a Roy personality.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 12, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Not his personalitly but his intimidation on the ice.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh God, please don’t compare him to Roy. Now, that’s crazy.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not comparing him to Roy.
I was comparing the attitude, the intimidation, is what I would like to see.
We all know Fluery has talent; that is not up for debate.
Having watching Roy play here for the Avs for many years, I know what I am talking about. If he got scored on, his attitude would be “screw you—I dare you to do it again.!” That is what I would like to see. A little. He was also quite cocky and arrogant—which Fluery is not. I am glad MAF is not the latter.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Still comparing him to Roy.
If you ask me, comparing anything about Roy (probably the best goaltender ever) to another goaltender that has no chance of being that great is just plain unfair.
I don’t doubt that you know what you’re talking about, but comparing basically any aspect of Roy to MAF, especially when it can be argued that Roy’s mental ability was one of the main reasons why he was so great, is just plain unfair.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
*Fleury
(sorry … it was needlessly bugging me! :))
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I think I have spelled his name wrong before.
My bad:
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
May I suggest you continue to do so
for the pure enjoyment of watching PopRocks suffer?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 12, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a bad, bad man.
But I should warn you, PensFanInDenver: I can hold my own in a fight, and I rarely back down. So if you really want to start something … bring it!!! ;)
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you’ve must have been a holy terror on the playground. Then again, if I were in my mid-20’s squaring off against other 12 year olds i might be pretty kick ass too…
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Started it!
We could play a game of Chess. Much more my style.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. You set the board up, and I’ll throw the pieces at you :)
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LOL
Very funny! I really do like strategy games, thinking games. Don’t always win but I usually learn something.
Hockey reminds me of Chess in alot of ways.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Incidentally, that’s how I win most of my chess games too!
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I think you would be a pretty good player:
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I Could
Watch out, Pop Rocks!!!
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy was great and he would come out and challenge the
opposing team and get in their face……….somehow I never see Fluery doing that.
Oh he does that. He does that way to often if you ask me.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I expected the “hasn’t even hit his prime” comment to get a lot more response. I think I’ve seen posts from JustinM before discussing how, after the age of 25, you don’t really see any significant improvement from a goaltender. I have a feeling that with MAF, for better or worse, what we are seeing is what we can expect.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 12, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line
you’re freaking out over one goal.
Let’s wait before we lose get our panties in a bunch.
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by PensFan8725 on Oct 12, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, the many, many from last year, years past…heck all the way back to WJHC.
When does this constitute a pattern?
I think thats the issue. Yeah, it one this year, the FIRST one. People are worried how many more are to come….not an invalid concern, if you ask me.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It is at this point. He’s let one bad goal in 120 minutes of hockey. MAF’s never going to be an elite goalie, so that ratio is about normal, if you ask me.
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Well, if your satisfied with that, then all the powe to ya.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I will tell you one thing, I wasn’t satisfied last year. He would let in one soft goal just about every game. My point in all of this is that Flower deserves more than 2 starts to prove that he’s gotten out of the funk he was in last year, before we all start jumping all over him. The guy is the clear cut starting goalie, so it’s not like his job is in jeopardy. I just think he deserves a little break from all the criticism, especially when it’s so early.
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So you don’t think him having an extended summer to think about his playing and attempting to get things figured out is enough time? You’re not concerned that he has already started showing one of his bad habits from last year?
Two games and one bad goal, isn’t a pattern, so no not concerned.
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Lol you kind of proved my point. He’s had time to think about last year, and improve. Why should we jump all over him after he gives up one bad goal in two starts?
Seriously. Every goaltender gives up bad goals. One isn’t enough to start saying that he’s already playing like he has last year. If it becomes a problem again, then yeah the haters can come out. But let’s give him a break – it’s still very early.
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I think he said he’s done.
Can this be done now?
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He put a “wow” before it. Only reason I answered.
If “done” means quitting the freakout over one bad goal, then sure.
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No, I meant I’m done because I once lived with a kid who wanted to be a lawyer and made the very annoying habit of just turning everyone’s comments and statements around, rewording them, and making them their own and thinking they were doing a good job at debating.
by AlexStitch on Oct 12, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, let me ask you, where did I turn you comments around, reword them, and make them my own?
Because I’m pretty sure you and I disagree here. Don’t know why I’d use your words to make my own point.
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I said:
My point in all of this is that Flower deserves more than 2 starts to prove that he’s gotten out of the funk he was in last year, before we all start jumping all over him.
Then you said:
So you don’t think him having an extended summer to think about his playing and attempting to get things figured out is enough time? You’re not concerned that he has already started showing one of his bad habits from last year?
So, I said:
Two games and one bad goal, isn’t a pattern, so no not concerned.
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Lol you kind of proved my point. He’s had time to think about last year, and improve. Why should we jump all over him after he gives up one bad goal in two starts?
The point stays the same throughout. There was no rewording. My point was my own from the beginning.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I promise, I`m done after this too....
but:
[quote] Lol you kind of proved my point. He’s had time to think about last year, and improve. Why should we jump all over him after he gives up one bad goal in two starts ? [\quote]
Cause he didn`t improve?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know he hasn’t improved?
That one bad squeaker goal right? I mean, come on guys, it’s two games. I’m not saying he has improved, what I am saying is we don’t know if he’s improved or not just yet. The point is we don’t know how he’s going to play this year, so let’s not jump to conclusions after one goal.
What I meant by “improve” in the previous comment was training. You practice over the summer with the intention of getting better, obviously.
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Can we all still keep in mind that MAF is one hell of a goalie & genuinely better than Johnson?
If he was a horrible a goalie as stated here, we’d be getting our cans handed to us in brown paper bags, not eking out at the last second.
He’s pulled our fat out of the fire more times in the 2 games here to make us competitive.
Can we shift some of the focus over his ONE or TWO mistakes and focus on what he does well for us?
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I think you need to reply to them, not me. That’s basically my whole point.
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Most reasonable post you`ve wrote all day! ;)
We are pretty much agreed then. Fleury had an unsatisfactory year last year, and soft goals were a problem.
Our only difference is, your giving him the benefit of the doubt so far this year, and I`m in panic mode already….
Cool?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re in absolute freak out mode, dude.
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I was being serious, lol
Trying to bury the hatchet…like I said, we`re all Pens fans (and MAF fans!), right?
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, never mind! I totally missed that one, lol.
I`m alright, but I do have more confidence in BJ than others, I think.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like I should make a MAF appreciation fanpost
"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong
You should because one is needed. For more than a few people.
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I don’t think we can go all the way back to the WJHC. There were a couple of years in between that and this year where Fleury was not playing like that guy any longer (imo). I can see why that flub in the Habs game, combined with last year’s generally frustrating play, brings it all up again, but I don’t think the pattern quite tracks through all the years back to the World Juniors trouble (poor guy will never live that down!).
Anyway, I think we should wait and see exactly how this plays out. At least for another month. I get the concern, but it seems a little early to be calling for Fleury’s head.
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Maybe a little warning to the 1st PP unit?
The Penguins have two power play goals this season, both from the second unit.
“If those guys keep doing that,” Bylsma said, “maybe they’ll be out there more often.”
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I really hope that means that he sat down with Sid and Geno and said “Stop f-ing around with the puck, assholes.” Although granted the entrances into the zone need work too.
As an aside, I kinda miss blaming Mike Yeo, if only because it inspired this photoshop.
by SlayerGhaleon on Oct 12, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope that means that he sat down with Sid and Geno and said "Stop f-ing around with the puck, assholes." Although granted the entrances into the zone need work too.
This. They get paid to move their feet. Not stand around. Do you think they look at video of the PP? I mean like the whole thing, not just one second of a it to look at a specific play. I mean, I guess it’s a given that they do, but you’d think they’d change the way attack if they saw what idiots they looked like out there.
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Yes, definitely a wake up message to the first PP unit by coach B. Sid and Gino seem to be “pacing” themselves, maybe I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen them play full tilt yet. Not that they are playing badly, but we know what they can do.
Regarding Fleury, I believe this is the time for him to show what he “is made of”, mentally I mean, as I stated in my previous post. When you are in goal, you have to keep your focus on what’s coming, not what already happened. If he cannot do that, he’ll have trouble reaching his potential. The NHL players are pretty sharp at picking this traits in goalies, and they know what rattles them. He can look at goals on video later if he wants. Focus, focus is the key MAF, that requires mental toughness.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
FOR THE RECORD:
I love MAF. Heck, just bought a framed auto of Flower, with a piece of 2009 Stanley Cup Finals net mesh included. Very nice addition to my Fleury shrine.
However, as much as I like a guy, I WILL call him out when I think he`s not playing up to standards. I like the Penguins more than any one player (hard to imagine for the Crosby, Fleury, Geno bandwagoners, Im sure), and if playing Brent Johnson gets us wins, then I`m all for it.
If Sid and Geno aren`t getting the job done on the PP, then get them the hell out of there and get the 2nd unit on, same thing applies.
I`m all about team success, whichever way that comes about, and even if its at the expense of playing time for star players or hurt feeling for star bloggers, lol.
We`re all Pens fans here right? So can we do away with the `stupid`, `dumb`etc. comments?
Save it for the Flyers boards! lol
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
a message from maf
just bought a framed auto of Flower, with a piece of 2009 Stanley Cup Finals net mesh included. Very nice addition to my Fleury shrine.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This
Very well stated.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 12, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else think that it’s kinda silly to think that Brent can actually push MAF?
There is already a disparity in the quality between the 2. Perhaps now MAF is having a bad spell but over a larger sample size, it would statistically even itself out.
I love Brent but he’s not a starting goaltender by any means & pushing him to start more games than he should would hamper our team more than wake MAF up.
If we had a hot rookie like the Bruins did with Rask, this would make a lot of sense but not a career back-up, even a good one, like Johnson.
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Statistically even out?
Do you mean statistically even out like last year?..Yikes I hope not…I don’t want to pour gas on the fire but this seems to have struck a nerve…I just want to say 2 more things…
1. Fleury IS awesome
2. If he had have won the first 2 games he probably would have started against the Devils, he’s very competitive and loves to play against Marty.
ok 3
3. Of course Johnson is not a starter, can he push Fleury to be better?.. Lets hope so..
Ok… Horrible choice of words. But I would like to refer you to the other saves in the same Habs game that kept us from going 2 down. I’d rather see him bobble that ONE mistake than someone else grasp at air as we get flamed out early.
But yes, I do agree with your premises 1 & 3. I just wish you guys wouldn’t be so hard on him. If he’s still “horrible” for a few more games, I’m willing to tear into him myself.
But here’s the thing, I don’t buy it that he’ll play in NJ. The Pens have a crazy week ahead of them starting with a weekend back to back. Next week we play 4 or 5 games in a stretch. We need to keep our goalies fresh. This was a good a time as any to sit MAF, irregardless of form.
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Yeah, Im pretty sure that BJ starts the NJ game regardless, just because of the schedule.
Im by no means trying to say that MAF is horrible, just that the soft goals are getting more and more disheartening to this Pens fan.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Oct 12, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We should all know what we’re getting into with MAF by now. I just prefer to focus on the 4 or 5 certain goals he prevents by making saves that he has no business making than the one bobble every few games.
I’m still convinced that MAF can work out these concentration lapses. It’s a mental issue and mental issues are easily fixed compared to technical & mechanical issues.
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Just for the record
Just for the record, I am a Fleury fan..Do expect a lot from him? yes I do. Should I? Probably.
I didn’t mean to bash him, it’s just that I’ve been a bit disappointed with his play for about a year plus. I know he’ll put it together it just amplifies my frustration when I see them playing so well, with such new talent.. I think they deserve a goalie with a save percentage in the top 15…damn I think I just did it again.. Sorry..
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