Flyers Release Bill Guerin
In the wake of Ruslan Fedotenko signing with the Rangers, the Flyers announced today that former Penguin Bill Guerin has been released. As Broad Street Hockey asks, where does he go from here?
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There’s an empty seat waiting for him
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Just posted a fanshot about this, which I now will delete
Really sucks for him, I thought he’d make it. Does this mean retirement.
One more thing: For those who say that the one knock on Sid Crosby is that he doesn’t make his linemates better….
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Crosby does make players better, but I think it might say more that a Pens first line winger last season can’t even stick on the top three lines in Philly.
(Though Billy G’s skills have been going downhill for a while, so it’s not really fair).
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
It might be more that when a top-six guy loses his top-six form he has to find a way to become a bottom-six guy — which is difficult to do. If he can’t do that, and if the market is like it is right now, then it’s going to be difficult to stick anywhere.
Still … I hope he finds a hockey home.
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over.
Hopefully
Smart enough now to get the Hint !!! It’s Over Johnny !!
He dosen’t want to leave the east coast so he’s really limiting himself to about half the teams in the league. Even when there might be a team on the brink of a championship looking for a cheap playoff experienced veteran.
Sad fact is Guerin:
—Wasn’t good enough that Pens wanted him back
—Wasn’t good enough to make it in Philly
—Would not be good enough to add anything to Washington (who has Knuble now anyways)
—Wouldn’t fit in Boston
Who on the East coast is left that’s a realistic contender?
Unless he is willing to go somewhere like NYI, this is the end of the line for Billy G. Even then who knows if he’ll get a contract this late in the season.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I can see the Islanders throwing something at him. It’s the only realistic team in my mind, given the fact that they are already dealing with injuries. However, it would be his “return” to the island, they aren’t Cup contenders and there’s no stopping them from demoting him once the young team is back, healthy and ready to play together.
Even still, I can’t help but think they might consider bringing him on board with the hopes of him helping Tavares along a la his work in Pittsburgh. Stranger things have happened.
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Karma.
Long post here guys sorry, lots to say.
Billy G to the Flyers was all about him and getting back at the Pens management. If he wanted a place to skate like he said, there are many other teams shallow at the Foreword position pre-free agency so that he could have easily make the team. Florida, NY, Calgary, Minnesota just to name a few on my mind.
Ray Whitney was quick to be picked up and had 58 points last year compared to Billy G’s 45…and Whitney was a “coveted free agent.” I think Bill Guerin CAN skate at many places but chose the Flyers because he was bitter at the Pens openly saying they would not bring him back. Also he probably doesn’t want to move his family very far, but that ranks second behind his career choices.
I am glad personally that we didn’t bring him back and chose to stick to our guns and let the young guys work up. I was really a BIG fan of Mr. Guerin until he pulled the Flyers BS on us. I am warming up to Tangradi a lot more now seeing him play and his personality, plus he is pretty cool on Twitter.
I hope he does get picked up, just not in our division.
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I dunno. I think you’re making too much of the rivalry. As much as we fans hate the Flyers, and the players get up for those Pens-Flyers games, I doubt there’s much in the way of a ‘bad blood’ relationship between Pens & Flyers management.
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over.
Same here, twin
I don’t hate the Flyers as much as everyone else, so I’m not really mad about this. It was only a tryout contract, and I feel like Billy went to the Flyers more out of necessity because he couldn’t find any other spots.
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Don’t get me wrong. I hate the Flyers. But I have no ill will toward Billy G. It’s not like he chose to go to a team solely on the grounds that he thought they would have a better chance to win the Cup or anything …
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over.
Yeah, I got that you hate the Flyers, and I think I do too (I don’t like them and hope they lose, but if they’re playing the Habs/Sens/Caps then I want them to win)
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
also
It’s not like he chose to go to a team solely on the grounds that he thought they would have a better chance to win the Cup or anything …
now who would ever do that? I hope he loses the Cup to the Pens after betraying them :)
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
He did not betray the Pens. The Pens did not want to sign him. For a good reason, as good as Billy was, last year his age and wear and tear caught up with him. Yeah, he is a great guy to have around, but the Pens were not going to give him a contract just for that. He should retire, if decides not to I wish him all the best. He is one of those players that gave it all, no matter where he played (including the US team in case some of you people forgot). All the best Billy no matter what you decide.
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Uhh…you realize she was talking about Hossa right?
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yes I was.. I’m a huge Billy supporter
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Wasn’t replying to your post…
Or were you just throwing that out there?
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THis
Yes, I hate the Flyers too and have no ill-will towards Billy G.
I wish him the best. I hope he gets to play somewhere, it that is what he truly, madly, deeply, wants.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 4, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
People have said we wanted him – which we did – but he wouldn’t budge on a contract. Now we have Comrie and he has…well he has to pack up his skates, again.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not true. I’m not sure where you’re getting your info…
Shero denounced speculation that Guerin was unwilling to take less money this season with the Penguins at $1.7 million below the NHL’s $59.4 million salary cap.
“We never got to that point with Billy, talking about salary,” Shero said. "It was a difficult call and something we talked about a lot, bringing him back. But in the end, it was my decision.
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Only team in the division that might consider taking him at this point is the Islanders. Devils might have space if they move Langenbrunner, which is and has been a heavy rumor for a while now. Flyers and Pens already passed and Rangers probably wouldn’t be the first to call at this point.
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Billy G to the Flyers was all about him and getting back at the Pens management.
That was more the Philly media trying to make it an even bigger story than what it actually was. I think Billy G just wanted a job and Philly offered him a tryout.
If the sources for your way of thinking come from the Philly media, there’s a reason for that.
Ray Whitney was quick to be picked up and had 58 points last year compared to Billy G’s 45
Billy G: playing with Sid.
Ray Whitney: Not playing with Sid
at the Pens openly saying they would not bring him back
I mean…is that a horrible thing to do? It’s pretty commonplace, as far as I’m concerned. It would’ve been blatantly obvious about a week later when he was wearing orange anyway.
I was really a BIG fan of Mr. Guerin until he pulled the Flyers BS on us
No offense, but I think you’re making a whole lot outta nothing here. This was really just a guy who had specific requirements and Philly fit them. It’s unfortunate that he didn’t make the team, but he definitely wasn’t doing it to get back at the Pens.
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Not just a guy with requirements, but also a guy looking for work. If you worked at Coca Cola for 10 years, got laid off and then Pepsi comes calling, are you going to say no based on blind loyalty? There is none anymore. It doesn’t exist. It’s gone, done, over.
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I mean in that regard yes I would take the job, but look at guys that moved from coast to coast to skate, he wasn’t willing to do that and it seemed like him and his agent only would talk to the Flyers and immediately he joined up. The whole thing just seems fishy to me. Him not making it IMP shows he wasn’t 100% committed and that his reasons for being there were not hockey related.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO*
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole thing just seems fishy to me. Him not making it IMO shows he wasn’t 100% committed and that his reasons for being there were not hockey related.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I get that point…
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My view is he has had many offers/calls to his agent about places wanting him -one of which off the top of my head was LA – that he purposely ignored to go with the Flyers…and that he didn’t want to play in Philly as much as get back at the Pens.
People have said we wanted him – which we did – but he wouldn’t budge on a contract. Now we have Comrie and he has…well he has to pack up his skates, again.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t remember any team biting on Billy…
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I saw it more as
well, the Pens don’t want me, but I don’t really want to retire. The Leafs would be an awesome place to play, it’s too bad I’m too old for them. Lemme go check my mailbox.. Hey look! A tryout contract with the Flyers! Those Flyers are pretty evil, but hey I’ll try out with them and see what happens.
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
there were supposed to be quotation marks around that..
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
They’re still you’re far-fetched thoughts, so does it really matter? =P
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your*
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Of course. My far-fetched thoughts always feature proper spelling, grammar, syntax, semantics, and quotation usage
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And
A good spanking…..I couldn’t resist.
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 4, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That just made it weird.
Yeah…it’s still awkward.
Unless there’s some allusion I’m missing.
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Yeah I talked to Bill Guerin today. If he is getting something he is going to call me and vice versa. I can’t say Billy is out of the picture at this point. We’ll see how things shape up. The one promise I have to Billy is if we are going to move in another direction we are going to call him and let him know and vice versa.
Basically, Shero was trying to get the contract price down in the range of Comrie or Asham contract salary, and Gurein tried to play hard ball with us, and lost.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No he didn’t. I don’t know how you infer that from that quote.
Shero denounced speculation that Guerin was unwilling to take less money this season with the Penguins at $1.7 million below the NHL’s $59.4 million salary cap.
"We never got to that point with Billy, talking about salary," Shero said. "It was a difficult call and something we talked about a lot, bringing him back. But in the end, it was my decision
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The quote I posted was from July 1st FA before the signings. They contacted each other but Billy G’s interest was so minimal that we had to start looking elsewhere. If he would have just said OK lets work on a contract then it would have been all good! Shero made the decision but Billy G had his own fate in his hands.
All of the rumors/reports/radio shows/blogs/stories around July 1st pointed back to him wanting more money than we would give. If he would have stepped up and said OK I will take less money it would have been over, and Shero would have picked him up instantly. Instead we had to play Go Fish with the FA’s.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
All of the rumors/reports/radio shows/blogs/stories around July 1st pointed back to him wanting more money than we would give
That’s it right there.
You’re putting reports from God knows where above what came out of the GM’s mouth?
“We never got to that point with Billy, talking about salary,” Shero said.
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They contacted each other but Billy G’s interest was so minimal that we had to start looking elsewhere.
And Billy G’s interest wasn’t minimal…If anything, it was the Pens interest that was minimal:
“It was a difficult call to make,” general manager Ray Shero said. “He wanted to play here, wanted to finish here. He loved the team. His family loved the community. You think about all of those things when you make a call like that.”
Besides, on July 1st, the Pens were too busy to worry about Billy G. If I recall correctly, Shero said after the day was done, that he would start dealing with Billy now that he had signed the guys he wanted.
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I followed about 10 or more blog sites during free agency, sorry I can’t source all of them.
One site is a Canadian site I am sure not many people know about that actually hears news way before the NHL or any other site, that is my primary source…the site was dead on too.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So…you’re putting them above what the GM (the man who was speaking to Billy himself) above what some other outside sources say?
Ok…yeah. I think that just proved my point right there.
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Billy G
Did NOT have a vendetta against the Pens.
I can think of a few consiiracy theories, but that is NOT one of them.
Billy G: we loved ya! Good luck! The best!
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by PensFanInDenver on Oct 4, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That was clearly only a hypothesis…I am just putting an opinion out there…jeesh somebody needs their Ritalin.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No on needs their Ritalin, only to snap out of the alternate universe where “the man” is always against people and sells nothing but lies.
I remember being 14 too, don’t worry about it, you’ll grow out of it.
Not even close to 14? Why are you arguing like a child? Clearly showing your own age to everyone I suppose.
The way I am looking at his situation is a thing called empathy.
You people really can’t handle someone that has a view other than your own conceded little world can you? Every time I argue a valid point I get teamed up on. Probably because people can’t stick up for themselves, or in your case when you are one upped resort to acting like children.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Oct 4, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You empathize with him? You have actually been passed over by your NHL team when your contract was up and then tried out for another team and then did not make that one? I think you mean sympathize buddy.
So until you actually know that Bill Guerin purposely went to the Flyers tryout just to spite the Penguins because he felt wrong, despite numerous reports and interviews given by Billy saying that it was nothing like that, don’t pass it off as fact. Because that could be considered libel in some states.
You people really can’t handle someone that has a view other than your own conceded little world can you? Every time I argue a valid point I get teamed up on. Probably because people can’t stick up for themselves, or in your case when you are one upped resort to acting like children.
You have got to be kidding me.
I don’t really want to get into the back and forth here; I’d much prefer civil discussion, but this is ridiculous.
Probably because people can’t stick up for themselves, or in your case when you are one upped resort to acting like children.
Read this and read it carefully. What is said comes out of the General Manager’s mouth and it “one ups” every single one of your points from outside sources.
Please quit it with this “vendetta” thing. You had obviously been given some bad information, which I tried to kindly correct. So why, even after I’ve given you the same source at least three different times, do you continue to insist that you have a valid point?
There was no vendetta. Period. The final horn has sounded and Elvis left the building about a month ago. It was something that was implied by the Philly media, but was not supported with any quotes. One, small article written over a month ago disproves everything you’re still trying to say.
Stop… just stop. It’s really getting dumb at this point.
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Sorry, but almost everything you’ve posted has been presented as if it’s a fact.
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Sign of a good lawyer.
But anyway, let’s not start calling each other children now. Obviously a fact is a fact but there is going to be a TON of speculation in any sort of situation like this. I personally don’t see how Billy G could be seen as a traitor or a coward or anything like that. He may not have bowed out with “style,” but few guys are ever given the opportunity to say a formal, classy good-bye. It’s a business, above all else, and this guy is looking for work. Whatever his preferences are, that’s his choice. He’s played long enough and he is old enough to make those rules for himself. He’s not holding any teams against it. If anything he’s limiting his chances and he seems to be cool with that…for now.
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Sign of a good lawyer.
Thanks…I’m seriously hoping to go to law school.
let’s not start calling each other children now.
I realize you’re really speaking in general, but I didn’t call anyone a child. The two young men speaking above me were doing that.
Other than that, I agree with everything you said.
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Yeah it wasn’t a direct response to you. I just chose to respond to everyone under your comment. Nothing direct or personal.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Oct 6, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
can’t we hire him to just look badass and kick the team’s ass when they need it?
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does anyone know/have info for the number of games played and won by each team in Pens v. Caps games sinc the lockout? I’ve tried google and places where I thought I’ve read about it but I can’t find anything
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Although Billy G has some more good hockey left in him I was thinking also last season that he should retire during the summer. That would’ve saved him the whole “I’ll just go skate with the Flyers than” story… and the embarrassment of being dropped.
You have to see it for yourself...
How about broadcasting?
He’s gotta be more interesting and informed than Milbury.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 5, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
As uncomfortable as I was with seeing him in a Flyers jersey, I can’t help but feel bad for the guy. Hopefully he’ll find a home that suits his needs.
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