HAT's what it's all about! Malkin, Crosby power Pens to 4-2 win over Atlanta
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Last night's big win was a boost for Marc-Andre Fleury and the Pittsburgh Penguins. And they threw him right back into the fire for the second game in two nights for this game in Atlanta. It worked out OK for the Flower, who now has 66% of his season win total in about the last 28 hours.
The Pens again conceded the game's first goal, which seems to be the trend this season. Brent Sopel threw a puck on net and Fleury was screened by Zbynek Michalek and tough guy Eric Boulton. The puck seemed to take a riccohet off someone, but Sopel was credited with the goal. The lead would stand through the first, but then the Pens would take over.
Just 2:21 into the second, Evgeni Malkin and Arron Asham worked a give-and-go that saw Malkin beat Ondrej Pavalec 5-hole to tie it up. Sidney Crosby scored a magnificent re-direct goal off a Deryk Engelland shot give Pittsburgh the lead they'd never give up. Then on the power play Malkin finished off a rebound of a Paul Martin shot, after a nice board pass from Crosby fed Martin to make it 3-1.
Notorious Penguin killer Nicklas Bergfors would score to make it 3-2, but Malkin ended the drama with an empty net goal to record his 6th career hat trick. A few more thoughts:
- Evgeni Malkin scored 10 points playing mainly on the wing in his first 14 games. He now has 6 points playing at center in the last 3 games. Malkin's obviously more effective in his natural position, and let's hope he'll stay there.
- Crosby and Malkin combined for 4 goals, 3 assists and a +4 on the night, and obviously had a hand in every goal. The rest of the team totalled no goals, 5 assists and a +1. The best players have to be the best players, especially when you play on the second night in a row, and tonight the big boys definitely carried their weight.
- Sidney Crosby has multiple points in five straight games. To have a five game point streak is one thing, to consistently get multi-point efforts is quite another. Crosby's currently tied with Tampa's Steven Stamkos for the NHL point lead with 27
- Speaking of leaders, Kris Letang recorded an assist to tie him with Detroit's ageless Nicklas Lidstrom for top point getters among defensemen with 17. Right behind them is Atlanta's Dustin Byfuglien with 16. Big Buff has seamlessly slid back to defense with the Thrashers and he played a game-high 25:16 tonight and got 7 shots on goal. Amazing to watch a guy that big be so versatile compared to his role in the Stanley Cup run with Chicago last summer.
- Fleury was solid, only beaten by two crazy shots and got 31 of 33 games. The Pens only scored one goal in the first 42 minutes and he clearly held them in the game with a bunch of terrific stops..
- Craig Adams was a -2 on the night, but his 4 hits included several jarring collisions that definitely made everyone take notice. Adams also played 4:18 short-handed (tops among Pens forwards) for a unit that did not surrender a goal. Big time stuff for #27 there.
- Nicklas Bergfors now has 5 goals in 7 career games (.714 goals per game) against the Penguins and 22 goals in 97 games (.23 g/game) against everyone else. Yeah, we get it already.
Comment of the night!
So before the game I was driving with my girlfriend and I said, "Malkin’s pretty far back in the point race right now…He’s gonna get a hat trick tonight." And she said "I sure hope so" and then proceeded to say that Crosby was gonna get another multi-point game. Tomorrow, we go to Vegas.
ipenguin67 -- (now we wait for confirmation from his gf that this conversation actually took place)
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My thoughts:
-After having a game where the role players stole the show, tonight was the Sid and Geno show. That’s the way it has to be most of the time because the Pens literally can’t afford to not have both superstars at their best.
-Flower was awesome. It looks like he’s back to being the Flower that we all know. He made some great saves to keep it close in the first, and he made some solid saves after the Pens took the lead. That second goal was a little soft, but what goalie doesn’t give up a goal like that every once in a while? There’s no reason to sit and nitpick about that goal because, looking at the big picture, he really was great tonight. It’s at least 3-0 at the end of the first if the early season Flower is in the net.
-Geno finally had a 60 minute game where he was the best player on the ice from start to finish. When the team was sloppy at the start of the game, he was one of the only players that wasn’t. Getting that goal after the disallowed goal was huge and really set the tone for the third. He and Sid have to be great if we want another Cup.
-Well, Sid…he was pretty awful in the beginning of the game. After some good chances early, he played pretty badly; lazy passes and the like. Yeah, let’s fast forward to the third. What a redirect on the Engelland shot; it completely froze Pavalec. The pass over to Martin on the PP goal was gorgeous, and the little poke over to Geno for the HT was pretty as well. Sid really turned on the jets in the third. This ought to tell you something about the way Crosby’s playing right now: in the past two games, Sid has been pretty quiet in the first two periods only to rack up 5 combined points in the third. Geez. He’s now tied for the league lead in points-watch out Stamkos.
-I feel like the Pens have finally got the chemistry going. First line? Those guys have played together forever; they’re the last thing we need to be worried about. Second line? Malkin and Asham-a weird duo but it really works. I have no idea how, but I’m not going to question it. Third line? Man, they look awesome. I love the speed that Conner brings; those guys look like they’ve played together for years. Fourth line? Like the first line, those guys have played together forever. The D pairings are finally looking good too. Z and Martin look great together. I wouldn’t usually say this out of fear of jinxing it, but I think we’re going to go on one of those patented Penguin runs where they start winning 7 out of 10 consistently.
-The PP looked pretty bad in the beginning, but really turned it on when it counted in the third. Once again, the PK had a great night. They saved the game last night in Pittsburgh and they really kept a great Atlanta PP a hard time. Those guys don’t get enough credit.
-I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again; Sidney Crosby is a great penalty killer. I’m just in limbo about whether or not I want to see the Pens give him like a minute a game. Seems like the Pens are too, but every time they let him stay out there he looks great.
-I thought the defense played a pretty good game. They weren’t as good as they were the previous game, but they were still pretty solid I thought.
-What more can I say? It was the Sid and Geno show tonight. After a sloppy start, the Pens just took over in the third.
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Those guys don’t get enough credit.
Actually, name a Penguin who isn’t a good PK personnel… I think almost all of the guys would be on the first PK unit of any team in this NHL.
Sidney Crosby is a great penalty killer.
Agreed. I just love Sid’s attitude when it comes to this. As the team’s primary offensive threat & captain, he can decide he doesn’t want to waste energy playing on the PK & just concentrate on the offense. Him doing the little things like forechecking like a beast, winning FOs, defending, blocking shots & killing penalties, it just sets a really good example for the rest of the team to follow.
Plus, I actually think he likes the mentality of playing on the PK. He has a natural aptitude. It will be interesting to see how the PK minutes shape up when Staalsy gets back & up to speed.
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Nice thoughts Allie…Something tells me you got a head start on them before this was posted :)
Sidney Crosby is a great penalty killer. I’m just in limbo about whether or not I want to see the Pens give him like a minute a game. Seems like the Pens are too, but every time they let him stay out there he looks great.
I share that thought. While he can be good there, PK’ing is tough minutes that tire, plus you always run the risk of getting hit by a shot that breaks something (I always remember Datsyuk breaking a foot PK’ing vs. Chicago in the ’09 playoffs that really hurt them in the SCF).
Given how good Sid (usually) is at faceoffs, it makes sense to put him out there for some draws, hopefully he wins them, Pens take possession and kill some time off it. That makes it worth it, especially while the best PK’er on the team remains on the shelf.
But you always have to be a little concerned that he’s spending minutes working on a unit that doesn’t generate offense a lot and does put him in a more exposed injury position.
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by Hooks Orpik on Nov 13, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nice thoughts Allie…Something tells me you got a head start on them before this was posted :)
Thank ya. =]
I know you were sort of joking, but I start writing as soon as the game ends. That way, the thoughts are fresh and my feelings aren’t influenced by others. My goal is to just call it like I see it without any influence.
In response to Sid on the PK: the factors that you just mentioned are the exact factors that I’ve run through my head. Each time I do that, I still don’t know what I’d like to see the Pens do. It’s a tough decision for sure.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 13, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have a felling she’s got a catalogue of “My Thoughts” and at the end of the game she thumps through them, picks the appropriate one an then uploads it. ;)
As always, great job Allie.
As far as Sid on the PK I’m not a big proponent of that because those minutes are really taxing as opposed to PP minutes, so even though he’ll get a couple of pk minutes he’ll probably lose 4 or 5 es/pp minutes. And my biggest concern is the shot blocking that’s become a huge part of penalty killing, I just don’t like or want Sid doing that. It not worth losing him to me. Besides ( I think someone might’ve said this already ) this team has a lot of players (quick) that are descent penalty killers.
Ehh…if he got a minute on the PK a night, it wouldn’t lower the number of minutes he gets. He got like a 1:35 last night and still ended up with over 21 minutes (the most for any Pens forward by a long shot).
I’m starting to lean towards putting him out there every once in a while for a minute, but not as a regular. It’ll surprise the team and add another offensive dimension to an already aggressive PK.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I totally understand your viewpoint on this. I just look at it in a risk/reward way, and I just don’t think the reward is worth the risk right now. The Pens have the 6h best pk rin the legue. I know they’ve had their problems at home but on the whole they been good. Now if this changes and they fall to the bottom then the reward might out weigh the risk.
So in closing , right now – no pk for Sid, but I do reserve the right to change my opinion on this if the Pens pk as a whole starts to falter.
I do love the disciussion though.
While it’s true that the Pens don’t need him, he certainly adds another dimension to the PK. And it’s not like stars don’t PK whatsoever. The reward is much great than the risk to me if he’s put out there every so often. I think the reason that he was put out there last night is because one of the best PKers, Cooke, was in the box.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of great material tonight allie!
I really wouldn’t consider the second atl goal a soft one for the sole reason that there shouldn’t be an unmarked man right in front of the net. Especially one who is a penguin killer.
I am very excited that once the penguins seized the momentum which started on the shift of the goal that was called back due to goalie interference that they kept going. Attack attack attack from that point on.
Regarding the second line…as i mentioned in the thread…Asham has a wicked right handed shot and is a very very good passer. He has had some beauties already this year. So you have to respect the both of them as a defender and if malkin and asham are coming down the same wing and you are the only defender there…then you have to respect both…I am in no way saying that asham is the same as malkin but you have to make a split second decision which is a huge benefit to us. Flyers fans felt awful when they lost asham…to me he was going to be a very effective player but the injury caused him to have a little of a slower learning curve once he came back from the injury…but now…wow, he belongs on that line. The reason cooke fits is because asham isn’t as solid on d and let’s face it….even though geno gets a ton of takeaways….he does tend to have an occasional defensive lapse. Cooke makes up for that.
Crosby…well…all I can say is that he showed why he isnthe captain of this team on the empty netter. He put every ounce of energy in gettingnthat puck to geno to reward him for the night he put up. There was sheer determination that his attempt would not be denied. I know he had a huge goal….but that was a huge character play.
MAF…i don’t know…i still feel like he had to do a lot on his own…i know we differed last night on to what extent we felt he was challenged…i just feel that there are still way too many giveawaysnin bad sections of the ice. I really do believe that he is baaaaack. I was listening to a broadcast this morning and they said how his confidence had been down…on here we all argued that he has always has come back….i started to think about that…i really believe that this was the first time since the ahl days that he really didnt know when he would be playing…in big games/playoff games, sure, he is the goalie, he had a bad night but he will be back next game…this time he had no clue and i really think that affected his mental preparation and confidence. I am so happy he is returning to form.
My only negative…this defense is starting to click and i really like gogo and tanger but both of them being offensive minded defensemen have to do a better job at recognizing that not every outlet needs to be rushed up the ice. Both of them have given up some easy ones to the opponent lately and have left our goalies exposed.
Finally, i really think we all need to realize how hard our schedule has been so far…Flyers (3), blues, preds, lightning (2), stars – we have been playing a lot of tough teams early on…i may have missed some in there but this wasn’t an easy run so far. Now we have a 4 point game against the rangers coming up as we dive deeper into divison play. This is the right time to start clicking.
PS – Comrie better wake up when he gets back because he may be on borrowed time. I know he is a deal at 500k but with a ton of guys playing better…how do you move anyone?
PPS – Talbot is on the ice tonight with an ugly gash and plays almost every shift once he got stitched…makes me laught at brett favre laying on a golf cart in the field position being held in a trainers arms to he can go and get a few stitches on his chinny chin chin. My wife says “well, he’s old” to which i say then he shouldn’t be such a baby. hockey players are the toughest sob’s in sport.
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Comrie better wake up when he gets back because he may be on borrowed time. I know he is a deal at 500k but with a ton of guys playing better…how do you move anyone?
I’m ready to call it Experiment: Failed. When a rookie like Connor comes in & makes a bigger impact in 2 games than you’ve did in 10?
hockey players are the toughest sob’s in sport.
Preaching to the choir, brother.
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While it’s true Comrie hasn’t even come close to living up to his potential, he was given almost no slack by the coaching staff. He was demoted pretty quickly from Geno’s line (at a time when Malkin was not producing either, and Tangradi still hadn’t figured out how make things happen at an NHL level) and not really given a chance with Sid either. I think much of Comrie’s problem is the same as Fleury’s: he started getting demoted and pressured a little too much too early and then started squeezing the stick and missing open nets. Keep in mind he had like 13 goals in 30 some games last year in a year he had mono. The guy can score, and I think the coaching staff gave up on him too early. They endured Fedotenko’s abysmal play all last year, but now we have a guy with the real potential to put in some goals, they really just need to assume that he’ll break out of the slump sooner or later and be a productive part of the team. (Incidentally I always felt they did the same thing to Sykora and Recchi)
"Those goals just rip the heart right out of your stomach." - Edzo
He was demoted pretty quickly from Geno’s line
He got like 10 games on Geno’s line. The Pens can’t afford to wait for him to get going because both superstars need to play well for the Pens to win consistently.
His problem isn’t that he got “demoted too early” and that he felt the pressure or anything like that. Comrie’s too slow for this team – plain and simple. The guy is probably the slowest on the team. It’s unfortunate because he’s a smart player and he’s a guy who can score goals, but he just can’t keep up with this team’s system. Of course he could in the pre-season because everyone’s still getting into game shape and, therefore, they’re not at full speed. Then, the Pens were playing to his speed and he looked great. Now that they’re playing at full throttle, he just can’t keep up. It’s not that he’s a bad player, he just is a step or two behind all the time. It’s not coincidence that a speedy guy like Conner is about to take his place.
I’ll say it again, it really is unfortunate. He’s probably going to get waived, a slower team will pick him up, and he’ll have a great year. Just the way it is sometimes; sucks that he doesn’t fit into the team’s system.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
Well said.
But I’d like to remind everyone that this was to be expected. Picking up Comrie is like one of those Vegas bets where you put one last quarter into a slot machine. Odds are it doesn’t pan out but you don’t feel too bad because it’s just a quarter, but there’s still a chance you’d score big.
Low risk, high reward. Unfortunate that this wasn’t a reward situation.
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Completely agree with you on comrie with geno allie. Tangradi didn’t look ready and looked like he needed maybe one more year in the ahl. Maybe someone could argue that that wasn’t fair to comrie but c’mon he does look very slow out there. I think we will all acknowledge that he is a good player but his speed is lacking. The coaching staff kept saying he has hockey smarts but that does not make up for lack of speed. I also think that ipenguin67 saying that malkin wasn’t producing is a bad argument. He had two guys playing with him that were not helping him at all. Also, comrie has played on almost every different line after the first ten or so. Usually a player will show some kind of chemistry or something…comrie hasn’t shown anything. When staal comes back….if not sooner…comrie is done
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Still hate the way Recchi left…he could have done more for us, guaranteed…
by LastSonOfKrypton on Nov 14, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Uh no…he simply didn’t fit anymore with us. He was done. Getting waived was a wake up call of sorts and he kind of resurrected his career. Good for him.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
You have no idea how badly I want Conner permanently substituted for Comrie. Not just because I kinda like short guys with perma-stubble, either. (See Stewart, Tony.) His hustle alone makes him so fun to watch!
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by GreenEyedLilo on Nov 14, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I really wouldn’t consider the second atl goal a soft one for the sole reason that there shouldn’t be an unmarked man right in front of the net. Especially one who is a penguin killer.
While I agree, that just happens sometimes. It was a weak shot that Flower let through. Other than that, he was awesome tonight; it would be a sin to nitpick right now.
Oh and unless your name is Crosby or Ovechkin, defenders don’t and shouldn’t keep up with guys who don’t ever get points against anyone else but your team.
I know he had a huge goal….but that was a huge character play.
I remember two seasons ago, when Sid and Geno were one two in scoring, both had like two points or something in the game. It was already clear that the Pens were going to win, but ATL pulled the goalie anyways. Sid and Geno were both on a clear breakaway, Sid had the puck and could’ve easily just scored it to pick up a point on Geno in the scoring race. He didn’t, though. He passed it off to Geno; it was a beautiful thing to see.
this defense is starting to click and i really like gogo and tanger but both of them being offensive minded defensemen have to do a better job at recognizing that not every outlet needs to be rushed up the ice.
Yeah, that’s true, but that’s what the system is. It’s about puck moving defesemen who make a great first pass out of their own zone. Sometimes that aggressiveness backfires, especially with two young d-men.
PS – Comrie better wake up when he gets back because he may be on borrowed time.
Comrie may be done. I think they give him one more game, but if he doesn’t play lights out, Conner gets the job.
Talbot is on the ice tonight with an ugly gash and plays almost every shift once he got stitched…makes me laught at brett favre laying on a golf cart in the field position being held in a trainers arms to he can go and get a few stitches on his chinny chin chin. My wife says "well, he’s old" to which i say then he shouldn’t be such a baby. hockey players are the toughest sob’s in sport.
Please tell me you’re joking.
Brett Favre is one of the toughest guys in football and this is coming from a Cowboys fan. The guy practically broke his jaw on that play; I don’t blame him for feeling the pain. He’s got like what? 180 consecutive games played? That’s incredible. That’s one tough SOB.
Yeah, yeah, hockey’s a tough sport, but Brett Favre (and football, really) is about the worst comparison you can make.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 13, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Believe me i am not taking anything away from favre prior to the saga of his should i retire dilemma. The man is a shell of himself. While i agree it was a rough shot, a younger favre doesnt lay in the fetal position on a golf cart. I am a bears fan i know how tough he was. And i may eat my words tomorrow…but i am more scared playing aaron rodgers. I wasn’t comparing football and hockey specifically but come on…hockey wins over football every time. And i know favre is older now but if you keep coming back for more, that stuff doesnt happen…and i saw a broken, battered qb that day…and there were a lot harder hits in the playoff game against the saints.
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The man is a shell of himself.
Ehh…he’s not having a good year, but I have a hard time calling him that given the year he had last year.
I wasn’t comparing football and hockey specifically but come on…hockey wins over football every time.
Oh course it does. However, football is about the worst sports comparison you can make if you want to prove hockey is tough. Let’s talk about basketball or baseball if you want to make a comparison.
While i agree it was a rough shot, a younger favre doesnt lay in the fetal position on a golf cart.
I think he was laying down to make it easier for the trainer to apply pressure. If both guys are sitting up, the bigger Favre would’ve made it real tough on the trainer to work.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
He should have retired after last year
Its the onky sports comparison i could make since the other two dont have hitting
Making itneasier on the trainer may be correct but it still to me at least wasnt a good sight
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
He should have retired after last year
It’s easy to say that now when he’s having a horrible season. He made the right decision, I think. He had a fantastic season the year before and came very close to the Super Bowl. I don’t blame him for wanting another shot at it.
Its the onky sports comparison i could make since the other two dont have hitting
Just because they don’t have hitting doesn’t mean anything. You weren’t talking about a hit.
Max got hit in the face. He gets stiched up and comes back without a face shield. A player gets hit in the face (basketball or baseball) and they sit for two weeks plus come back with some sort of face shield.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Personally i think he should have retired after the jets – regardless of what he did after last year. 1 goodmseason out of the last 4 or 5 – he just needs to go away – dont get me wrong…i am happy that he is in the bears divison but i am tired of him.
Point taken on the sports comparison above. Fully agree on the other sports.
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Personally i think he should have retired after the jets
But you said he should have retired after last season above….
1 goodmseason out of the last 4 or 5
Actually, it’s more like 2 or 3 good seasons out of the last 4 or 5….
The guy really was a great player with amazing consistency and longevity, but this is it for him.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Tds-ints
In 2005 he thre more ints than tds
Then
18-18
28-15
22-22
33-7
7-13 this year
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
One great year..one decent year…three bad years
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
TDs and INT don’t tell the whole story though.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
In those years they did
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
How so?
I remember in at least one of those years that Favre took his team to the NFC championship game.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Those two good seasons….his teams records aren’t spectacular…makes themplayoffs twice – once at 13-3 which was last year and once at 9-7. He had another 9-7 season with the jets and a 4-12 and like a 6-10 with the pack
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Something on those lines with the records… To me when he went 4-12 followed by an 8-8… Thats when it should have been over – and i am not playing monday morning qb…my friends and i since 06 have said it every year
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
You’re not going to sway my opinion on this one. There is no reason in my mind that he should still be in the league…he caught lightning in a bottle last year…but that gives out…its like when al bundy makes the deal with the devil to play a season eith the bears and be successful…but he forgets to include the playoffs in the deal…gets to the playoffs and gets decimated
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
You’re not going to sway my opinion on this one.
Then I see no point in arguing.
The guy’s been a great player for a long time, but he’s playing his last games. It’s sad because, despite his bad year this season, he better than a lot of the other QBs in this league.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
I dont deny his achievements – he is mainly playing his last games because teams drew up a blueprint on how to get to him under childress system. The saints drew it up and now other teams are using it. It is a shame that the vikings go to the pass more often because if they utilized ap more for the work horse he is….favre may not be taking the beating he is.
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Regarding bergfors…i agree and not suggesting someone follow him around the ice but if he is parked in front of the net…you mark him…i dont care if the guy has never scored a goal…you dont let someone sit on your front porch.
Regarding tanger and gogo – i know they are still young age wise but they both have enough games to know what passes to make. Now i knowmthey have taken on a lot more responsibility this season than prior seasons but at some point during the season..those turnovers have to be eliminated…in the playoffs, every goal is huge amd defensive lapses like that better be eliminated.
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
you dont let someone sit on your front porch.
They didn’t.
He snuck in. Rupp forgot about him. He was never parked or anything. They basically scored off the rush. It was a weak shot and a weak goal. The only one of the night.
Now i knowmthey have taken on a lot more responsibility this season than prior seasons but at some point during the season..those turnovers have to be eliminated…in the playoffs, every goal is huge amd defensive lapses like that better be eliminated.
As I said before, those types of miscues are going to happen with the type of defense the Pens are employing; whether you’re a young guy or not.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
You and i usually disagree on the strength or weakness of a goal so i dont see that changing. I guess what i could say is it was an easy goal but i cant lay it on fleury like other softies he has let in.
I age completely that those miscues will happen but with this system….i dont see as many giveaways with the other defensemen as i do with tanger and gogo…is it because they are young still? Maybe. Or is it because theu are trying to rush the play too much? That is my worry and that can kill us in the playoffs. I really dont like that trade off. Nkt every pass is there even in the system bylsma is running.
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
I guess what i could say is it was an easy goal but i cant lay it on fleury like other softies he has let in.
Yeah you can.
It’s just that there’s a difference between the Flower tonight and the Flower of a week and beyond ago. He’s let in one weak goal in the past 120 minutes he’s played. Whereas he was letting two or three weak goals per game earlier.
Out of all the times the D left him out to dry tonight, he let in the weakest shot. I have no idea why his five hole was open there. However, if wants to have a game like this every night, I’ll gladly take it.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think he should get it but does he get the start monday in your mind?
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
I am not worried about him being fresh since he hasnt played too much…i hope db throws him back in there
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Nope.
It’s Beej time, but Flower gets the start on Wednesday and again on Friday.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I have got to give him a pass then….if not for him…we were done in the first period with the shelling of shots they gave us
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Yeah there’s no arguing that.
However, there’s nothing wrong with labeling that a weak goal because, when looking at the big picture, that’s really just a speck in a flurry of great saves.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
No pun intended?
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Oh no, it was intended.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I also don’t have a problem with labeling a weak goal because I know that’s what Flower would call it. He knows he should’ve made that save.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
To be very fair, I though MAF had the angle & covered the net perfectly on that shot. The D should have picked up on the open man but MAF had it. He moved across the crease & had his shoulder to the post.
I blinked & I have no idea how the shot snuck past him. Happens. Soft or not, they happen.
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To your original points – we need to go on a tear – about 4 games back from the flyers and caps
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Keep it going!
MAF getting back on track, Geno as well with a big night. Need some consistency now fellows but feeling much better now than I did Wednesday night. Keep up the good work. Go Pens Go!
I love how MAF & Geno were our biggest question marks going into this weekend. What a way to shut the haters up…
I can’t wait for Tuesday
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That made me happy, too. Hopefully we’ll see that they’re back for good next week.
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by GreenEyedLilo on Nov 14, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
you don’t question it. You just wonder who’d you put next to them. Cookie works but it doesn’t feel altogether right. Plus where’s Staal gonna go?
Letestu for Calder!
Staal for Selke
Sid for Everything!
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Cooke works well on that line. Don’t worry about what will happen with Staal. He’s still 4-5 weeks away. Something will not doubt happen by then.
by StripesForLife on Nov 13, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cooke is fine where he is because all the other lines are doing great. I don’t want to worry about where Staal’s gonna go until we need to worry about it, but I think they slot him in at center with Geno.
I know that’s not a popular opinion right now, but the center position allows a player to have more of an impact on the flow of a play. A guy like Letestu or Talbot isn’t going to help set the tone for a player like Geno. We’ve all seen what Sid and Geno do together. Who’s to say that Staal and Geno wouldn’t have the same effect? We’ve seen it before.
All in all, keep Geno at center until Staal comes back, then put Staal at center with Geno and Asham on the wings.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 13, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a complete about face from my stance in the pre-season, but I don’t think I’d like to see Staal back on the 3rd line.
I’ve gotten too used to seeing Geno next to Sid when it comes down to the trenches. The idea of going back to 2nd tier wingers next to Geno now makes me nervous as compared to a year ago.
Letestu for Calder!
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I’m still a little confused about what your stance actually is.
I do love that Sid and Geno are together when the going gets tough. There’s nothing wrong with having those two take about 5 shifts together plus PP shifts a game. Nothing wrong at all.
You said you were nervous about Geno and second tiered wingers: look at him and Asham-they look great together.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 13, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agree with that utilization of sid and geno
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
I’m still a little confused about what your stance actually is.
I used to believe that not having 3 deep would be the end of the world, Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria. But after seeing the team w/o Staalsy & how well Geno works with with top level talent like with Sid at the end of close games, I feel a lot better if we front load our lines, ride out this chemistry between Geno & Asham & cease the winger-of-the-day policy we used to have to find linemates for Sid & Geno.
Letestu for Calder!
Staal for Selke
Sid for Everything!
Leave MAF Alone!!!
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A couple weeks ago we all were waiting and waiting for staal to get back…now we sit and wonder where bylsma will put him…this is the best problem to have right now at .500ish.
""You saw in that fight just how tough Deryk is. I've played with him for three years in the minors, and I've seen him lose one fight. And he just doesn't win fights: He kicks the crap out of people." - Ben Lovejoy
Craig Adams was a -2 on the night
Dude destroyed an otherwise strong Extra Attacker line-up for yours truly.
More importantly, though, was yet another solid game from the Pens. Despite the early goal by Sopel, and the disallowed goal on the borderline interference call, it never seemed in doubt that the Pens would get 3 or 4 past the Atlanta netminder. I had the misfortune of recording the Atlanta feed instead of the Pens, and got to listen to their joke announcers (actually not entirely bad except when whining about penalties) bash Geno early on. They went on and on about how he blew that one wide open net because he had “given up on the play and was too focused on circling lazily around the net”. It was so sweet to see him come back and make them eat their words almost as if he had actually heard them.
Good game for Flower. He definitely made some key saves especially the ones that kept it a 1-0 game.
He’s my boy, but Tanger about gave me a heart attack with that crazy pass right in front of the net late in the game. Fleury really saved his bacon there.
On a final note, I played yesterday’s game on xbox and came up with a 6-1 Pens win, pretty close to the actual 5-1 final. Played today’s game earlier and came up with, what do you know, a 4-2 Pens win including Geno’s empty netter. I’m starting to feel like that kid in the Twilight Zone who could wish people away to the cornfield if they pissed him off.
Rangers on Monday. Better look out New York. I’m coming for you next.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Nov 13, 2010 11:52 PM EST reply actions
hey, katie!
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Nov 13, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
oh, i meant when you’re in nyc, haha. =)
LETANG FOR NORRIS.
by katielynn906 on Nov 13, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Nov 14, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
So any nominees for the little blonde girl you get carry up to the top of the empire state?
I call dibs to be the pilot on the first plane that you swat out of the sky.
Letestu for Calder!
Staal for Selke
Sid for Everything!
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Woo!
Malkin gets the HT, I win this week for Pensburgh Extra Attacker!
How about Tanger?
Kris Letang is having himself a beautiful season. Right now he is 6th in assists and 23rd in points. I think this is going to be his superstar year, as he looks well on his way to double his freshman best of 33 pts. However I couldn’t say ho wwell he played last night since I could not watch the game.
Does anyone have the feeling that martin and Z are starting to settle into the system? How did they look last night? My theory was it would take them have the season to start gelling.
I think Martin looked better last night. Z….well, let’s teach him how to not screen his own goalie first.
I agree with you that Letang’s been pretty good this season. For me, part of the fun of watching the Penguins for the past few years has been watching how several young players grow up. I’m liking what Letang is growing up to be.
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by GreenEyedLilo on Nov 14, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it was ever in doubt that Tanger would eventually have a Norris level season. Goodness knows he has the upside for it. I didn’t expect it to be this season but he’s really stepping it up.
I’m so glad to be wrong. Tanger for Norris!
Letestu for Calder!
Staal for Selke
Sid for Everything!
Leave MAF Alone!!!
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Sound like you’ve got another player/award to add to your signature
by The Malk-Man on Nov 14, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Done and done…
Letestu for Calder! Letang for Norris! Staal for Selke!
Sid for Everything!
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by Alighieri on Nov 15, 2010 3:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Martin only got 16 minutes last night…I think that has something to do with the shot he took off his foot.
And just because Z accidentally screed Flower, doesn’t mean he had a bad night. The rest of his night went pretty well, I thought.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
And…he’s 1st in points for D-men. I predicted this lol, I predicted a big year.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the whole game and that was crazy. I did held my breath the whole 3rd until that ENG. Fleury was awesome last night….Engelland and Gogo looked wayyyyy better than Lovejoy and Gogo….Malkin is amazing, Crosby is amazing, that is all.
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Engelland lost his job temporarily, but Lovejoy gave it back to him. In his first game back, Engo only played 8 min, then last night, he played 16, wouldn’t be surprised to see him get more.
I love watching this guy play.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
MAF
Looks like MAF is finally back.. At least something to build on..This is exactly what we needed.. Thank god…He looked very solid and for the most part his positioning and rebound control were very much improved…He seemed to be controlling how far out of the crease he was getting as well..A very good effort indeed..
It’s a good thing we didn’t send him back to junior or anything.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Nov 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Great game, great win.
We really needed this one. Looks like they pulled together as a team.
MAF is back on track, the D is clicking, Geno has started to earn his paycheck and
Sid is top dog, as usual….can’t ask for more….
But a win tomorrow vs the Rangers Monday would help.
Go Pens!
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by PensFanInDenver on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions
Indeed. It’s nice to finally get a winning streak going (albeit two games). It would be great to get some more wins at CONSOL to make our home a tougher place to play and a win tomorrow is a big step in the right direction.
I just noticed your last reply from my comment back during the Toronto game eons ago, haha. I haven’t been visiting Pensburgh a whole lot as of late. I’ve always frequented the Pensblog a lot more. Nothing against this site, there’s a lot of knowledgable fans here and some great writers. That’s just my go-to site for Pens stuff.
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A few people on
the Pens Blog are saying that Max was doing the Dougie and got hit by a puck. OMG how embarrassing! PLEASE PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE! It’s so Max-like.
For those of you who don’t know, the “Dougie” is a dance.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Nov 15, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
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