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So every time we go into the shootout, I hear people complaining about it as a "gimmick," yet across the league it is one of the most popular products of the lockout.  I'm sort of curious what everybody's true feelings are on the shootout.

My opinion is that it was a very good addition to the game.  Everyone always loved penalty shots, and international play always had shootouts, so the interest was definitely there.  It also provides some resolution to hockey games.  There was nothing more unsatisfying than watching a tie.  Somehow it felt like you wasted your time.  Now, there's definitely a winner.  Perhaps the number of shooters should be adjusted, or the points awarded (although 3 point games were a product of the OT loss, not the shootouts), but I have no problem with it the way it stands.

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How do you feel about the shootout?
Love it!
20 votes
Not bad, but needs to be altered
15 votes
Whatever. We rock, so I'm not complaining.
9 votes
Hate it, long live the tie!
10 votes

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playing an extra 20 minutes, then calling it a tie sounds better. However, it doesn’t really make it fair for a team that has to play to a tie on night, only to have to play another game the next night. The shootout allows for every game to pretty much be played without one team having a big advantage over the other.

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by PensFan8725 on Feb 14, 2010 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

True and not true. I mean, a team with scorers like Malkin, Crosby and Letang (purely for his shootout prowess) have a slight advantage over teams that don’t have such notable shooters. In theory of course. This was obviously proven wrong today against the Preds.

I don’t love the shootout but I don’t hate it either. I think the joy that comes with a penalty shot is more the product of rarity than anything else. Plus, a penalty shot can alter the game entirely without giving the other team a way to reciprocate because of how it’s awarded. A PS is given because the other team penalized a player on what would’ve been an otherwise solid scoring opportunity. Therefore a goal on a PS seems more justified in a way.

Personally, I think Staal should’ve had a penalty shot in OT today. The fact he wasn’t awarded one really irks the hell out of me. It had everything that goes into a penalty shot except…the penalty shot.

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by FrankD on Feb 14, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Really doesn’t feel too much like a penalty shot to me.
Personally, I really, really hate the shootout.
The first hockey game I went to went to ended in a shootout and I’ll tell you, that ruined the experience a bit for me.
I love it in soccer. It’s totally amazing when it’s soccer (even if I wish they kept the golden goal but anyways). But hockey? Um, very unsatisfying for me.
I don’t know if I’d rather have the tie though, because I hate it in soccer, but if they altered the shootout somewhat I might be happier, I dunno.

My point is… shootout in soccer = awesome. In hockey, not so awesome.

by AppleSweetRose on Feb 15, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I realize that sometimes opinions are based on emotional reactions to something, and therefore not always easy to explain, but when you say you hate the shootout in hockey, I’m not getting any idea of why this is the case. I’m not trying to put you on the spot or anything, but can you expand a little bit on why you have such hatred? It just seems odd that a shootout would have "ruined the experience" of your first hockey game.

As the original poster mentioned, the shootout seems to be generally popular with fans. I mean, Igloo fans actually stand up to watch. Personally, there are many other situations in the game where I can’t see how fans can watch without standing, but standing to watch the game does not seem very common at the Igloo, so I tend to stay in my seat like everyone else.

Anyway, back on subject, my first taste of live hockey viewing came watching the Hampton Roads Admirals of the ECHL back in the late 80’s. The ECHL had the shootout, and I thought it was pretty cool. Of course it is a bit of a gimmick, no different to me than a tiebreaker in tennis. I would never want a playoff game to end in a shootout, but for the regular season it doesn’t seem so bad. When it was first introduced in the NHL, I actually thought it should be expanded to 5 shooters per team, as it was in the ECHL games I watched in my youth, but now it seems like most NHL teams don’t have more then 3 guys who are proficient and/or comfortable in the shootout, so maybe 3 per team makes sense.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 15, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Marketing Gimmick to Showcase Superstars.

I understand why the NHL has it. I have accepted that it is a part of the game. To me, it renders an unfair advantage to a team that has better individual talents at scoring one-on-one with the goaltender. It ruins that fact that the opposing TEAM played well enough for the previous 65 minutes by awarding an extra point for a gimmick to sell this sport to the casual fan. This sport is and always has been more team oriented than any of the Big 4, and to me, the shootout diminishes the team aspect.

What is wrong with a tie? Obviously, in a perfect world, the teams would play until one scores a goal, but with scheduling (back-to backs) and TV time allotments, this is not possible in the regular season. BUT, the shootout is not good enough for the playoffs? Why? Becuase the purity of the sport and the SC could be ruined by a gimmick!! A huge hypocritical double standard created by the league that takes away from one teams good enough play over 65 minutes to not lose.

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 15, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t most other professional (and amateur) hockey league use the shootout and have for a good long while? I don’t see why the NHL needs to be any different.

by JustinM on Feb 15, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

How about keeping the (for the regular season) the 5 min 4 on 4, then going to a 10 min 3 on 3? Sure, it may result in shootout-esque breakaways but it would also be more team oriented for those concerned with the ‘unfair’ advantage of teams with high-level stars in a shoot-out.

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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Feb 15, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t know how you would resolve the issue of the tie however…each team just gets 1 point and its a tie – call it good.

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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Feb 15, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ulf Murphy is right when he says it is more of a team sport than the others, thought football is a real team sport too- if one guy messes up he messes up the entire team.

I love the shootout. I think they’re exciting, they’re a great way to end the game instead of being handed a tie. I don’t think they are a gimmick at all. And if they are, you can’t argue that since the lockout the NHL has really gone out of everyone’s interests, but the shootout is one way to try to get people back to the game, which is what is needed.

As for the players and showcasing who you have and what team doesn’t have anything, eh, why are you a professional athlete if you can’t go one on on one? That’s like saying even in the actual regulation game if you get a breakout and go one on one you’re going to pull off to the side and wait for your mates to come meet you. Plus, I have heard of plenty of games being won in the shootout this year by the guy who no one really expects to score, examples being last night by Nashville, and remember when Kunitz won it for us in the shootout earlier in the season?

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by AlexStitch on Feb 15, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Not a fan of the shootout

And not just because the Red Wings suck at it. I’m hardly a purist, but there have been “innovations” brought into the game that have just completely rubbed me the wrong way, and while the shootout isn’t quite as bad as the glowing puck, it’s in the ballpark.

Before you jump all over that statement, I’d like to offer up the thought that for casual fans, the glowing puck was a popular innovation, something that let them follow where the puck was, where the action was going, where otherwise, they’d be looking in one corner as the puck went a different direction.

The shootout strikes me the same way, a nice shiny distraction for casual fans, letting them get a satisfying conclusion to what is otherwise often an evenly matched contest that should be left as a tie.

Unlike AppleSweetRose, I also hate penalty kicks as a way to settle soccer games, but at least in that sport, even at the highest level, they totally committed to the idea, using it even to settle the highest level of competition, the World Cup. And twice in the last 16 years, the biggest trophy in the world was handed out by fiat of a skills competition. Yeah, it’s memorable, 16 years later, and I still vividly remember Roberto Baggio blowing a kick over the crossbar en route to an Italian loss in the 1994 final.

And in Olympic hockey play, as I wrote about a couple of days ago, I remember, vividly, two of the shootout attempts in the 1994 final, including Forsberg’s work out art.

It’s memorable, yeah, but it’s a crappy way of ending a championship level event, and I fear that if the shootout sticks around and becomes an accepted part of the NHL landscape, eventually someone will propose it to decide things in the playoffs, and it may just stick.

It goes without saying that there’s something special about the sudden death overtime goal, especially in the playoffs. I’ve watched a number of 3 OT games in the Stanley Cup Finals (5 of ‘em if I remember them all, Oilers-Bruins in 1990, Uwe Krupp for the Avs in 1996, Brett Hull in 1999, Larionov scoring for the Wings in 2002, and of course, some contest you guys might recall from a couple of years ago). There’s nothing like OT in the playoffs…and I see the shootout as a long term threat to that most awesome spectacle.

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by ahtrap on Feb 16, 2010 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

* forsberg's gold medal winning work OF art.

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by ahtrap on Feb 16, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The anti-shootout crowd has made some great points.

I still think there is a vast difference between regular season and playoff games, and therefore not a big deal to me if they have different ways of ending them. Regular season overtime itself only goes back to the 80’s, I think, so should we go back to having games end after 60 minutes? It wouldn’t be a big deal, because still, we’re only talking regular season here.

One concern that I’ve seen is that the shootout is unfair to the team that has played just well enough not to lose the game. But is that really a huge burden? 16 teams make the playoffs, more than half the league, so is the shootout going to have that much of an impact? If your team misses the playoffs by 1 point just because your team wasn’t good at breakaway skills, do you really have all that much to complain about?

HOWEVER, ahtrap’s argument does worry me. I remember hearing in last year’s playoffs from more than one of the talking heads about how they might have to take a look at how playoff overtime is handled, to avoid the marathon games. This was frightening, because like ahtrap, and many others I suppose, I have great memories of staying up to the wee hours watching those games, and I’d hate to see that taken away.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 16, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the shootout. I don’t have a long argument why but I love it.

As a side note. There was a time when the forward pass, in football, was considered a “gimmick” and a “fad”.

by PensFan024 on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Like it or love it, hail to the Shootout Master….Sid the Kid! He had to go up twice, but the second time was oh so nice!

by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

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