NOthing for KOVY.
It seems to me that NJ got Kovalchuk for next to nothing. I know Kovy is not a great locker room player, but Y was he let go for such a small price. He also turned down a 10 Million + a year contract from ATL. That shows that he doesn’t trust ATL ownership, and that he wants to win, and now. That is Y this whole situation makes me mad for one large reason. If he wants to win now, then Y did he go to a team other than the PITTSBURGH PENGUINS? Does he know something we don’t know?
The whole deal sounds pretty cheap to me. Kovalchuk scores 1.16 pts per game. Just imagine CROSBY, MALKIN, and KOVALCHUK!!! I think the bigger question is, if Kovalchuk was going to be so cheap, then Y don’t we have him. And if he wants to win now, Y wasn’t PITTSBURGH HIS FIRST CHOICE. I would have traded Letang, any winger, and a good minor league player in a heartbeat to win now (for kovy). I don’t mean to be selfish, but I want back to backs again because it is rare now due to free agency. Adding Kovy to the PENS would have meant cup #4!!!
The thought of Ilya Kovalchuk coming to the Pens sound great to me. I want to win, and now. But if KOVY would have come to the PENS, how would two or three Russian super stars (depending on how u rate Gonchar) interact in the same locker room. Not to mention how SID and KOVY would react to each other after the incident they had during Sid’s rookie year. Sid was called for a dumb penalty and ATL was on the power play. KOVY buried the puck in the net, and make SID never forget it. Kovalchuk turned to SID in the box and pointed at him. It was a weird situation that I have never seen before.
NJ has been a THORN in the side of the PENGUINS all season, so this deadly sniper like KOVY on the DEVILS scares me. Seems like the Devils want to win now, what about the pens? What are Ur thoughts?
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I don’t know if your "Y"s were intentionally that instead of “why” or not.
I think it was pretty fair. I mean, Bergfors was a Calder candidate early on, Oduya is having a REALLY down season but he should be around 30pts and solid all around most seasons, and Cormier projects to a solid two-way center. Plus, they got the first rounder.
I really don’t think Kovalchuk would’ve helped Pittsburgh all that much. He’s not a strong two-way player, which would partly offset the fact that he’s great offensively, especially come postseason. The Penguins I thought were the best team because they were most committed to doing whatever it takes to win, and I question whether Kovalchuk has that drive.
I’d also expect a return package to include Jordan Staal, which I’m sure Shero would’ve passed on. The Pens just won a Cup with a similar roster; no need to tear it apart. They’re still the best or second best team in the conference, and I seriously think they’d tear NJD apart in 6 games in a playoff series.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
Kovalchuk’s cap hit is $6,389,260. You wanted to trade Letang and “any winger” for him. Let’s go with Kunitz, since he’s the most expensive winger we’ve got. That’s still just $4,560,000. The Pens barely have $1M extra cap space sitting around, let alone nearly $2M. Plus, you’re giving up Letang, who has several years of team control remaining, and Kunitz, who’s under contract for two seasons after this one, for a guy who will probably leave on July 1. Granted, that’s exactly what NJ did as well, but they had the cap space to pull off a move like that. We don’t.
Sure, it’s fun to think about, but it wasn’t going to be as easy as you mentioned.
by JustinM on Feb 6, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention that defense is a big weakness for the Pens right now. The last thing they need to do is to make it worse by bringing in a guy like Kovalchuk.
DUDE>>
WASHINGTON is the leading the league in scoring. don’t u think that adding to our( i think )#6 ranking in scoring would not help? if u can score 4-5 goals a game, ur going to win with Flurey in goal. i understand it wouldn’t be an easy task to complete, but it sure would not have hurt. we have two D @ the baby PENS that i feel would be adequate to not only win, but DOMINATE for another cup. think about it, thats what NJ did.
by CITY_OF_CHAMPS on Feb 6, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, adding Kovalchuk to the pre-existing Washington roster would help, but who are you giving up in return? A top-4 defender, a top-6 winger, a prospect that projects as a 2nd-3rd line player and a 1st round pick. It’s hard to pick direct analogs for the players here, because WSH really only has 3 top-4 defenders on the team and Fehr and Chimera are on our 3rd line, but could be 2nd line players elsewhere.
But my real objection to your point is this — WSH already scores the most goals in the league. By a mile. Almost .6 G/G higher than the second place team, SJS. Adding more goals isn’t as useful when you’re already scoring at that rate – it doesn’t matter if you beat a team 4-2 or 6-3, just as long as your number is higher than their number at the end of the game. PIT is no slouch in the goal scoring department either, averaging 3.03 G/G.
Someone did a fascinating analysis (I can’t remember who and I can’t find it on google, please forgive the lack of link) on the probability of winning a game given the number of goals scored. As it turns out, scoring 3 goals is going to win the game the majority of the time in the NHL and that result makes intuitive sense — there are only 5 NHL teams that average more than 3 G/G. Scoring 4 goals gives you something like an 80% chance to win the game and scoring 5 is a 90%+ chance.
Why is this relevant? The benefit you receive in percentage of games won as you add more scoring falls as your scoring rises — those of you who remember your econ classes, this is marginal benefit. There’s a diminishing return on adding offense after a point, somewhere in-between 2 and 3 goals per game; WSH and PIT are both well past that point. Pittsburgh and Washington would get a higher return on their trade-able assets by improving their defense, or goals-against per game, whether that’s through a better forecheck or a better blue-liner.
NJD paid a steep price for a rental and it made sense for them – they’re great at preventing goals and awful at scoring them. The Kovalchuk trade landed right in their sweetspot for efficiency and effectiveness improving the team. Ansi Salmella isn’t as good as Johnny Oduya, but Paul Martin will probably come back after the Olympic break, so that’s like getting a deadline acquisition right there, at no cost in assets. Ilya Kovalchuk is an upgrade on every winger in the league not Ovechkin and arguably Gaborik, so he’s certainly going to score more than Nicklas Bergfors. WSH or PIT matching the Devils’ package didn’t make sense for either team for this particular asset. Good on both Ray Shero and GMGM for declining.
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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 7, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure, it’s fun to think about, but it wasn’t going to be as easy as you mentioned.
Yup, rec’d. The Pittsburgh equivilant to this deal would be to trade Kunitz, Eaton, Caputi and a 1st round pick…All for a guy in Kovalchuk that Pittsburgh can’t afford to sign to the long-term money he wants. That’s a high price to pay for a few months of a guy.
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no shit,
U people sound like the OLD crusty men that run the NHL. KOVY is a game changer. we already have two, but one more wouldnt hurt. I KNOW THEY R THE DEFENDING CUP CHAMPS. I dont care if they could not sign him next year, BACK TO BACK CHAMPS will draw big name players wanting less money to win. We have a great ownership team that WILL compete. KOVY is not worth 10+ Mill a year. HE IS NOT BETTER THAN CROSBY, but the Pens would able to beat NJ, and WASH without any problems.
p.s. >I am not advocating it, but i am high alot (buds), so my writing doesnt always make sense.>>sorry
by CITY_OF_CHAMPS on Feb 6, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Even getting a guy like Kovy doesn’t guarantee the Pens will beat the Devils and Caps but it certainly helps. And ahtrap has a point at least in saying that the Pens can’t really go for the “win now” approach since they’ve already won. But even “win now” is subject to scrutiny because, well, isn’t EVERYONE trying to win now?
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You think getting back to back championships and throwing away some future players will bring in players right? You dont think have a core nucleus of Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury does that already? This team is built to compete for a championship every year for the next decade+ (no other team comes close to that). If that isnt an incentive, back to back wont be.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 7, 2010 4:33 AM EST up reply actions
Getting Kovy is fun to speculate about, but I really don’t think it’s was ever feasible because of how close the Penguins are up against the salary cap. Besides, nothing EVER guarantees a Stanley Cup. Everything has to fall perfectly. Flyers were banged up. Canes were exhausted from the Bruins series and the Penguins needed the break to be able to beat Detroit. And what says Fleury will be able to play as great as he did in last year?
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