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The blue line blues: Is Pittsburgh's defense struggling on both sides of the puck?

When you look at a team like the Penguins, it's hard to look past the offensive assets along the likes of Evgeni Malkin, Sidney Crosby and Jordan Staal.  Yet at the same time, the Penguins have this group of defensemen known in the hockey world as "offensive defensemen."  Unfortunately, it would appear most of this guys are not very potent on the offense as of late. 

After the jump, a look at the Penguins' defense that is, in theory, supposed to also chip in a bit on offense.

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Pop quiz: Who was the last Pens defenseman to score a goal?  If you guessed Sergei Gonchar, you'd be right.  You also would've picked the obvious top candidate, but I'll let it slide this time.

January 24 against the Flyers.  That's the date of the last goal Gonchar scored, which also happens to be the last time anyone on Pittsburgh's blue line lit the lamp. 

Sure, the assists are there, and frankly that's a huge factor for Gonch's inclusion in the list of Top 10 scoring defensemen.  He's currently ranked 8th overall with a total of 34 points, 26 of them registered as assists.  But of all the Penguins defenseman, Gonchar remains the only shining light in an otherwise dim lot.  I'd also like to add that before the season is over (barring any severe injury or ridiculous slump of course), Brooks Orpik will have set a new career high for points in a season.  He currently has 17, two less than last season's total of 19.

Here's the list of defensemen in order of descending point total.  For the record, I withheld from including Ben Lovejoy, Deryk Engelland and Nate Guenin based on the limited amount of games they've played.


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Sergei Gonchar 8 26 34 -3 35


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Alex Goligoski 6 20 26 5 18


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Kris Letang 3 18 21 3 31


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Brooks Orpik 0 17 17 5 46


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Mark Eaton 3 9 12 7 20


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Jay McKee 1 9 10 8 52


G A P +/- PIM
2009 - Martin Skoula 3 5 8 -4 6

Whenever I type up a post like this I always include the consideration that I might be overreacting a bit.  We all have a tendency of doing that from time to time, but in this particular case I feel as if my overreaction (should you choose to label it as such) is somewhat justified.

Even the defensive end is having a hard time trying to uphold the role of a defense-first blue liner.  Take for example Jay McKee.  He's not the sort of guy who will put up five or more goals a year.  Actually, five is the most he's ever put up in a season, two times to be precise and both with the Sabres (1999, 2005).  What you can expect from McKee is a strong defensive game, chock full of blocked shots, crease clears and man-to-man matchups.  Yet yesterday against the Caps, Washington's Eric Fehr skated around McKee like he was a pylon, ultimately slamming home a goal with less than three minutes remaining in the second period. What I'm trying to say here is this - we're not asking for McKee to score goals, but can he at least do his part in preventing them?  Same goes for Mark Eaton.  And Martin Skoula.

The defense has left Marc-Andre Fleury out to dry at times.  Even Brent Johnson has had to work extra hard out there to earn a W.  It seems like the goalie, whichever one may be in net on that given day, is on his own little island in the Penguins zone.  Rather than try and surround him and try to hold off any attack, the defense instead gives clear lanes and green lights for the opposition to skate right in.  

There's no attitude on this defense.  Outside of Brooks Orpik there's hardly any grit.  And when it comes to scoring, guys like Kris Letang and Alex Goligoski can't get a shot on net. 

Speaking of GoGo - after scoring a goal in three straight games on October 24, 28 and 30, he added only one more to his season total on November 4.  In other words, he hasn't scored a goal since the first week in November.  If you want to make yourself vomit, look at the list of zeroes in the 'G' column on his NHL page.  It's somewhat disheartening.

We all know the Pens have had some defensive issues this season, but is it also a problem on the offensive side?

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Outside of Brooks Orpik there’s hardly any grit.

Couldn’t agree more. We need a guy to move people from in front of the net more than anything right now. The idea that having an offensive and defensive guy in each pairing is good in theory. If the offensive guy is not scoring and the defensive guy doesn’t want to do anything but go for the poke check, you get an early exit from the platoffs. (IE, the 2009-2010 PGH Penguins if something doesn’t change.)

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 8, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

The idea that having an offensive and defensive guy in each pairing is good in theory.

I don’t even think it’s good in theory. You still need a shutdown pair of Dmen.

by PensFan024 on Feb 8, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

History shows your are probably right.

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 8, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again, it’d be helpful to have one or both be able to move the puck. Not necessarily jump into the rush or quarterback the PP, but just collect a dump in, turn, and pass out of the zone quickly.

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Feb 8, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It really amazes me how the little things like this get overlooked with these guys, but I agree with you.

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 8, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It was so annoying to see for years how any Caps D not named Green would just whack at the puck or slap it around the boards—most of the time other teams read it and held the zone.

But if PIT plays like the way I saw them last postseason—get the forwards back so that the D can pass to ‘em and the forwards can clear the zone—it’s not too big of a deal.

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense has definitely struggled this season. GoGo and McKee started strong in October, with GoGo scoring goals and McKee blocking shots left and right. But both players have had too many games where they have either been invisible or screwing up — maybe ever since they got back from their injuries.

I feel bad for Skoula, since he had a promising start — but it seems like screwups and a loss of confidence have lead to a downward spiral in his performance… so I won’t be sorry when he inevitably gets sent elsewhere.

The other players have been okay, but not phenomenal. There have been far too many lapses and breakdowns. I think defense is our biggest problem right now — when we score 4 goals, we should win the game.

by Cari on Feb 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

couldn't agree more

with being able to win scoring 4 goals. Not to mention we had them down 4-1.

by CGNC on Feb 8, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Feel bad FOR Skoula or bad ABOUT Skoula? I’d have to say that initially I thought he was getting the short end of the stick, but then as time progressed and his weak play was ultimately exposed, there was no love lost for me.

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by FrankD on Feb 8, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I feel bad in the sense that it’s always sad to see someone failing at his job, because it must be tough for him personally. It’s like how I felt bad for Chris Bourque. But I don’t want either one of them on my team.

by Cari on Feb 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

haha well said. I get what you’re saying now. I, obviously like many, was not a fan of Chris Bourque either. But I think I may also differ when I say I don’t want him to succeed in another system either, only because I know that day will come where Bourque does something disastrous to the Pens (other than the month or two he spent in the Pens uniform)

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by FrankD on Feb 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think just playing DB system is naturally going to leave the D and the goalie out to dry a lot. With the aggressive 2-1-2 forecheck if the third guys gets in too low or the opposition forces a turnover its immediately an oddman break for the other team. I think a lot of the issues with the defense stem from not spending enough time in the offensive zone. When was the last time the Pens had 2 shifts in a row where they possessed the puck in the offensive zone? I cant remember. Not spending enough time in the O-Zone I think also ties into the defense not being as productive offensively.
Theres no doubt this defense needs to add some grit though.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Bylsma has a system that is almost identical to the red wings of 2007-2008, when they won the cup. They had a great defense.

It’s the defensemen and forwards right now that are the reason for our struggles. They refuse to play solid defense and be responsible with the puck.

by GoPens! on Feb 8, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not blaming it on their system it obviously works…when played right.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Geno has an excellent point here. The system can at times leave the Dmen out to dry. Unlike last year, the defense isn’t holding up their end of the bargain.

by PensFan024 on Feb 8, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Adding to that point about excution: how many goals lately have resulted in a defender getting the puck and not being able to clear the zone or making an ill-advised pass attempt?

I’ve noticed a lot more of those instances leading to goals in the past couple weeks than I ever have under Bylsma’s stint.

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by Hooks Orpik on Feb 8, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Quite honestly the Penguins haven’t played their “system” well on a consistent basis since very early in the year. I know you cant expect them to play it every night over an 82 games schedule, but the consistency has not been there at all lately everyone included.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You see their best defence during many, not all but many, of the PKs when positioning looks solid and they are clearly focused. Everyone will get out of position occasionally during a game and mistakes are a big part of hockey and, frankly, add to the excitement, but I have been disappointed at the play away from the puck. Forwards need to be back more quickly, focus needs to be clearer from everyone, and they need to watch the man not the just the puck. I actually think we have some of the people we need, but could definitely do without Skoula (few mistakes…okay….many…..not okay). I actually think Eaton has been solid. He is not and never will be a superstar, but he is solid. Gogo and Letang are still learning and, personally, I like their development. Gonch seems to be increasing his defensive errors this season, which is worrisome. His focus is usually there and I know we see his mistakes more because he is so involved in the style of play they use, but I’m definitely seeing too many lapses for comfort. Having said that….Malkin’s forecheck in the neutral zone and offensive zone look good, but I would like to see him get back to the defensive zone much more quickly. Other forwards, too, but I see it more with him since as good as he is, he should know better.

by SuMac on Feb 8, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if part of the problem might be the constant changes to the lines. Because it’s not just the D-men who are to blame for the defensive breakdowns; the forwards also play a role there. While shifting forward lines around might spark the offense, it seems to me that it’s leading to some confusion and miscommunication in our own end. The one place where the personnel doesn’t change much is on the PK — and that’s been the most consistently solid part of the Pens’ defense.

by monge15 on Feb 8, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats a good point, certainly at times there seems to be some miscommunication amongst them. Mixing the lines constantly isnt really anything new to them though since back in the Therrien era.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, the Caps on their winning streak I don’t think have changed lines/pairings at all, save for a couple of injured D. The Pens need to be able to shift a little, but I think it’s a little ridiculous to expect them to succeed with new linemates every game or couple of games.

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Feb 9, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s most troubling to me is for the past couple of weeks the defense has been relatively healthy and stable. There’s no excuses of weak links among the top six, or at least there wasn’t supposed to be.

I think if Shero really senses danger, Mark Eaton could be the one to go. I really don’t see him interested in trading a young buck like Letang or Goligoski, Orpik and Gonchar aren’t going anywhere and McKee’s cap hit ($800k) makes it tough to get anyone back, while Eaton’s ($2 million) allows for more wiggle room.

Who knows if it’ll come to that point, but the defense certainly needs to play better and more consistently.

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by Hooks Orpik on Feb 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Yea Eaton seems like the most logical one to go, but Shero brought in Eaton and seems to be a big fan of him. And if the Pens come out of the Olympic break without deals for Gonchar/Letang I will begin to wonder if Eaton is the one that will be moving on.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point about Shero and Eaton. But I think Shero can/will separate his personal feelings to realize this is an impending UFA anyways and if he can make the team better, why not? We’ll see how it shakes out, but other than the big guys (Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury) I think Shero has to at least consider dealing anyone else if it’ll help.

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by Hooks Orpik on Feb 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I wouldn’t say Eaton is an untouchable, in fact I cant even type that with a straight face.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on the guys you named, would you deem it out of the question to list Orpik, and his $4mm cap hit, as a possibility for trades?

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Orpik is the neglected middle child of the “core”. He’s part of the family, but no one talks about him.

by PensFan024 on Feb 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

thats true, I think hes the longest tenured guy on the team now too.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And besides, Hooks would have to change his name if Brooks got traded.

by Ulf Murphy on Feb 8, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The only solution would be to somehow obtain Brooks Laich so his name could be Hooks Laich. Other than that, I’m all out of ideas.

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by FrankD on Feb 8, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Orpik is the only physical d-man they have and 1 or 2 under contract for next year, so at this point, i would say hes not going anywhere.

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. If you give up Orpik you give up on the physical defense. Letang can throw a hit every so often but Orpik makes his living leveling people. You can’t trade a guy like that away. While $4 mill may seem a bit much for him, $2 mill for Eaton seems even more drastic. Good call on that Hooks. Sometimes a guy like Eaton (and his salary) can just fly under the radar.

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by FrankD on Feb 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny he’s the one brought up as the most logical for cap reasons, because for the last couple weeks I’ve been praying for Eaton to go. He’s been abysmal in games this year, and not only does he allow forecheckers to roam as the please as you said, but over the last week or so I’ve seen him allow forwards to get behind him and go on clear breakaways because he’s too slow to get back. He’s been the softest player on the team, and his only asset of being an excellent positional player has left him for some reason. For $2mil, you can get a pretty solid shutdown Dman. I hope we can find a suitor for him.

by lostprophetRJX on Feb 8, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly I just hope the next 3 games against mediocre teams doesnt take the sense of urgency away from improving the D before the deadline. The defensive weaknesses usually appear against good teams….playoff teams…

by genomachine-O on Feb 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

I have enough confidence in Shero to believe he knows what he needs to do…..I think the most difficult thing will be to find a trading partner with something that’ll actually help Pittsburgh without paying too much of a price.

A deal might not happen and the Pens might take this defensive unit into the playoffs. If that happens I’m sure it won’t be for a lack of trying, but it’s pretty tough these days to make a trade with all the factors swirling around.

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by Hooks Orpik on Feb 8, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They're just inconsistent

Period. One game they have a GA of 1-2. The next they have a GA of 4-5.

by BDON911 on Feb 8, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

In the past couple of games I’ve really comes around to the idea of getting a defenseman(or two) at the deadline as opposed to a scoring winger, especially considering that despite our corps of second and third line wingers, we are still second in the league in goals, behind only the Capitals. Conversely we’ve been giving up a metric ton of goals ever since our entire D went out with injuries.

You tell me what the bigger need is.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll admit, I’ve been thinking the same lately. A strong defensive d-man paired with Orpik could be the shutdown unit this team desperately needs. And I do agree with all of the above sentiment – there NEEDS to be a unit that is entirely focused on shutting down the other team. Sure, it’s nice to have an offensive guy paired with a defensive guy, but it just allows teams to work around the weaker side. You have to have a pairing that strikes some fear into the other team.

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by FrankD on Feb 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It was Gill and the Piece that shut down Ocho in the playoffs.

by PensFan024 on Feb 8, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Scuderi played out of his head against OV and while Gill may be slow on his feet he did a solid job. Now I’ll also admit I didn’t want Gill back this offseason (and frankly wouldn’t want him back tomorrow if offered, regardless of the cap hit and all that), but the Pens need a guy like Gill who can really take care of business on the defensive end. there were times when Gill really showed his weak spots, but he really did hustle on every single play. I’m not seeing that this season on any of the pairings. Again, outside of Orpik, I’m not seeing that from any of the defensemen either.

This blue line is going to be reworked in the offseason, no doubt. If the front office really can’t see certain guys coming back on board who will have an expiring contract at the end of the season, now would be a good time to try and get something in exchange.

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by FrankD on Feb 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The Piece & USS Hal Gill didn’t shut down the OCHO last srping, they merely contained him, barely (something like 11g -20p in 7g). As much as I miss them, I’m sure there’s another “piece” in this dressing room. I have full faith in this defensive corps, we basically replaced Gill & Scuderi with GoGo & McKee (which is an upgrade when they play to their potential IMO). And we all need to realize that defense is a TEAM concept, from the goalie, the D and the forwards, all have to do their part. If one’s having an off night, they all fail. This is pretty much the same team that won the Cup last year (with the young core more experienced) so we know that they CAN do it. They’re Cup contenders and that’s all I ask for, I mean you don’t expect them to win it every year do you?

by #87isGOD on Feb 8, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

AO had 14 pts in the series. Crosby had 13. But you are right, they didnt stop him. They just contained him. The difference between that Capitals and this years Capitals is that Backstrom and Semin and a whole bunch of others are playing extremely good. I am actually expecting this Capital team will run out of gas (as a team, may be not Ovie) come playoffs. And that is when our guys shine!

by nut1976 on Feb 8, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s sad and scary to think that AO getting 14 points is containment.

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by FrankD on Feb 9, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Bylsma, where's the D?

Real quick: since I live in Bangkok and am usually limited to highlights (or lately lowlights via Ghostwalker) I can’t give in-depth analysis like all my fellow Pen brethren stateside. Just don’t know what DB is thinking when you are up 4-1 to the Caps and blow it. Seems the trend of late. Get rid of McKee and Skoula and try and get a D-Man who is a bit scary and can body and knockaround Ovechkin and Co. The offense is fine. Get a two goal lead and then play a trap in the 3rd. Scuderi isn’t on the team so go out and get somebody who can at least play with that type of heart and lets lift that Cup one more time.

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by mpags on Feb 8, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

It had nothing to do with DB, it had to do with the players sitting back on their heels and not winning the small battles in the defensive zone.

Obviously you wanna get rid of dead weight in Skoula since we have Lovejoy as a injury reserve, but I think moving McKee isn’t a possibility, being that the only reason to move him would be to get an upgrade for his position as a 3rd pair Dman. And though he’s been a shadow of what he used to be, you can’t get any kind of upgrade right now without paying more. Moving Eaton is the must for them right now.

by lostprophetRJX on Feb 8, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple ideal names I read as solid fits

Andy Sutton
Kurtis Foster

I believe I read Aaron Ward was also a potential rental?

by lostprophetRJX on Feb 8, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Foster is a nice shot blocker. Would be a great addition to contain offenses that like to shoot (like DC).

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Feb 9, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather Foster out of those two. Physical play is halved if you’re not mobile enough to use it, which was Gill’s problem. Foster seems more mobile than Sutton, and has a hell of a slap shot on top of it, which is an added offensive bonus.

by lostprophetRJX on Feb 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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