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Realignment idea for the NHL

"Borrowing" the idea from Japers Rink commenter "Gould Old Days", here's my spin on a re-alignment strategy for the NHL.  Also props to commenter "What Juneau About That" for the NHL country map.  With all my punny hockey player names out of the way, here's Hooks Orpik's idea:

 

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Prince Of Wales Conference

Campbell Conference

Smythe

Norris

Patrick

Adams

Anaheim Ducks

Atlanta Thrashers

Buffalo Sabres

Boston Bruins

Calgary Flames

Carolina Hurricanes

Columbus Blue Jackets

Chicago Blackhawks

Colorado Avalance

Dallas Stars

 New Jersey Devils

Detroit Red Wings

Edmonton Oilers

Florida Panthers

New York Rangers

Minnesota Wild

Los Angeles Kings

Nashville Predators

New York Islanders

Montreal Canadiens

Phoenix Coyotes

St. Louis Blues

Philadelphia Flyers

Ottawa Senators

San Jose Sharks

Tampa Bay Lightning

Pittsburgh Penguins

Toronto Maple Leafs

Vancouver Canucks

 

Washington Capitals

This idea hinges on further expansion.  Like it or not, it seems only a matter of time before the new building in Kansas City finds a team playing in it (sliding into the Norris division) and also the 7th Canadian team somewhere in Southern Ontario.  I know the logistical concerns of appeasing Toronto and Buffalo are hurdles all into themselves, but that's simply how I chose to sketch it out in this exercise.

Adams division breakdown: 5 of the original six teams are here, joined by a strong "State of Hockey" Minnesota market and also Ottawa.  Presumptively there's an addition of another Ontario team to round it out at eight, in what's the most traditional division in the league, from top to bottom.

Patrick division breakdown: The modern day Atlantic division is joined by Buffalo, Columbus and Washington, all of whom make geographic sense.  This is the most compact division in the league in terms of distance between all the teams, so naturally playoff series could make for the most intense games in the entire league.

Norris division breakdown:  AKA Gary Bettman's dream: all Southern teams, all markets that have room to grow.  Tampa, Dallas and Raleigh have been amongst the best markets in hockey in terms of team support when times are good, but all these teams generally spend toward's the salary floor.  When Kansas City enters the league (this exercise assumes they will) they'll be here for the natural rivalry with St. Louis.

Smythe division breakdown:  So sorry for the distance between the teams, but given where the NHL cities are across the West, it's impossible for it not to be this way.  So here's the teams in the Southwest of the USA, the Northwest of Canada and Colorado.  It sucks, but it's necessary.

The names of the conferences/divisions are back things are aligned in a way that makes more sense.

Thoughts?  Comments?

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Love this idea but I think the NHL will add two teams at once rather than just one to keep the conferences even. I do love going back to the original names and how you have laid this out.

The Patrick division would not only create the best playoff games but would be by far the most competitive and entertaining division to watch every year. A division that contains, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Rick Nash, Ryan Miller, Marian Gaborik, and many other great players.

Also this system would keep already built rivalries intact but make some even more bitter, like Pittsburgh v. Washington, meeting more during the season. It will also give the Capitals a chance to prove themselves against real competition and get them out of the lackluster Southeast.

If this would ever happen it would be great for the fans and the league.

Robbie Naugle

by rjnaugle2 on Mar 13, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Love it. And, I too, like the return to the original names.

by SuMac on Mar 13, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

While I like parts of this idea – bringing back the old conference and division names, bringing the Caps back into the Patrick – I just don’t see it happening. Seems like sports leagues trend toward smaller divisions, perhaps to have more contested races going on to increase interest in late-season games (just a guess), yet this proposal goes to 8-team divisions? Plus, someone mentioned this creating more games between rivals like Pens-Caps, but would that be true? They already play 4 times a year, and with 7 division opponents I can’t see them playing each team more than 5 times. So yes, that’s 1 extra game against Washington, but 1 fewer for bigger rivalries like Philly and the Rangers. I guess maybe they could go 6 against division teams, 3 each against the rest of the conference, but that only leaves 1 each for non-conference match-ups, assuming my late night math is correct, and also that the league expands to 32.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 14, 2010 1:46 AM EST reply actions  

I like this better than Gould Old Days

I said on Gould Old Days’ post that the losers in his realignment were the Avalanche since they were so far from the rest of their division and in a completely different time zone. So I like it.

by Capsfan07 on Mar 14, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

St Louis gets screwed

St Louis is the one thing I don’t like about the realignment. Their two biggest rivals, the Hawks and the Wings would not be in their division anymore.

I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!

by Bman21212 on Mar 14, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

What about swapping Minnesota and St. Louis then?

by Capsfan07 on Mar 14, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

STL definitely gets a short end of the stick. But someone has to.

They do lose their rivals, the consolation being that Kansas City is assumed to be entering the league soon and that is thought to be their future rivalry.

I admit it is not satisfactory to lump them in with the southeastern markets, but it’s my plan.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also agree that STL loses their two biggest rivals, but they should benefit from playing in the “lesser” division and should be able to make the playoffs almost every year…

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 16, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it, agreeing with Bman's point about St. Louis being the only item I would change, but it will never happen.

When expansion occurs, and there is little evidence that the NHL could support two more teams without contraction in other markets, I think we will get re-aligned again to 4 divisions in each conference, ala the NFL. I just hope we are not the odd man out in the Atlantic, but a division of NYI, NYR, NJ and PH makes a ton of sense. Unless you split the NY teams like baseball.

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by Ulf Murphy on Mar 15, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Norris Division

AKA the one nobody cares about.

My goodness you are stacking the Patrick and Adams. The rich get richer, or just beat the hell out of each other?

You would definitely see the South teams win more games, as they would have easier schedules.

by Phantaskippy on Mar 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Wasn’t really my intention, I didn’t even consider how good teams are this season. With the salary cap, you’d think teams will rise and fall a lot. Like Edmonton 1 win away from the Cup in ‘06, now the worst team in the league. Or Carolina, Conference finalists one year and then 14th in the East this season. Or teams like Pittsburgh, Washington and Chicago who all sucked 5-7 years ago but now are among the league’s premier teams.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, all teams might be capable of putting a good team on the ice every 4-5 years… but it really doesn’t seem to provide many attractive match-ups (especially during the regular season) … just too many ATL vs. FLA caliber games…

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the idea… may be I would’ve done it the same way… there are just too many struggling hockey markets in the South…

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 16, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting idea.

What are your thoughts on the playoff system as it stands now? It makes sense to me to keep it as is (top 8 conference teams, rather than top 4 teams in each division). Back when you guys were winning Cups in the early 1990s and the Flyers were rebuilding, it used to drive me crazy that we’d be better than Hartford every year and still miss the post-season.

My only issue with your idea would be that Inter-Conference play would continue to suffer, assuming you play the teams in your own conference more often. As many great players would be in the Patrick Division, we’d never get to see the Kopitars, Marleaus, Iginlas, and Sedins of the league in person. For example, last night the Flyers played the Predators in Nashville for the first time since December of 2005. They had a “Welcome Home” ceremony pre-game for Timonen and Hartnell. It’s ridiculous that one team’s fanbase only sees another conference’s team randomly every few years.

If you wanted to keep strong divisional rivalries alive, you’d play your divisional opponents 5 times each. That’s 35 games right there. If you wanted to have more inter-conference games, you would have to add a game to the overall schedule and have 2 games (home-and-home) against every remaining team in the entire league.

  • 7 divisional opponents x 5 games each = 35 divisional games
  • 3 other divisions x 8 teams each division = 24 teams
  • 24 teams x 2 games each = 48 non-division games
  • 35 division games + 48 non-division games = 83 games total.

So you’d have to keep the intra-conference play random as it is now (i.e., "Each team plays another AT LEAST ONCE but MAYBE TWICE) so as to have more intra-conference matches. The good thing about the current divisional structure is that the NHL could feasibly adjust it to allow inter-conference home-and-homes for all without sacrificing intra-conference play too much.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 17, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

What are your thoughts on the playoff system as it stands now? It makes sense to me to keep it as is (top 8 conference teams, rather than top 4 teams in each division).

Really my thoughts are about expansion to 32 teams with Kansas City and Southern Ontario to give four even 8 team divisions. Then it’d be divisional, #1 v. #4, #2 v. #3 and conference championship for whoever comes out of that.

Until then, I’d say division champs are guaranteed the #1 and #2 seeds and then go for whatever conference teams make up the top 8.

•7 divisional opponents x 5 games each = 35 divisional games
•3 other divisions x 8 teams each division = 24 teams
•24 teams x 2 games each = 48 non-division games
•35 division games + 48 non-division games = 83 games total.

I would endorse this. Every market gets to see every team and all the stars. There’s an emphasis on division (and geographic) matchups but still even across the board. No one wants to see a really extended season and 83 games is barely more than an 82 game season, but since everyone gets to see everyone, I think that would satisfy more people.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 18, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

They played 84 games for a couple of years in the early 90s and that didn’t seem to be a big deal, so I agree with you both that 83 should not be a strain.

The part that sounds strange is playing an odd number of games against your division opponents, and an odd number of total games, meaning an out of balance situation between home and away games. I’m sure it would all even out over the course of a couple of seasons, but each year you’d have half the conference playing 42 home games and the other half 41. From both a competitive and financial standpoint, there might be some objection to that.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 18, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s definitely a problem with that given that home teams are considerably more likely to win than away teams are (although certainly not to the extent that they are in the NBA, for example). The plus side is that they wouldn’t need as many tiebreaking criteria as they have now if there was always a clear “winner” in a season series.

by JustinM on Mar 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

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