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Who are the Penguins #1 rival?

If you believe the recent poll over at Winging it in Motown, there's probably no less than three teams that consider the Pittsburgh Penguins their primary rival. But who do we as Penguin fans think of as our #1 rival?

 

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For Detroit it may just be the recency of the Stanley Cup finals battles and the high stakes that produce short tempers and intense exchanges. The Pens have locked horns with the Red Wings almost as much as they've matched up with any opponent in the entire league, but unless the two go to the SC Finals every year, they're just not going to see enough of each other to keep the fires stoked. Plus there's seemingly more hate coming from Detroit fans to Penguin players than the other way around. I don't like seeing Henrik Zetterberg or Pavel Datsyuk doing their thing, but I don't quite have the vitriol to chant that they suck.  Still you've got Marian Hossa play the role of Benedict Arnold, Max Talbot slashing Datsyuk's bad foot, Crosby's game 7 injury and Marc-Andre Fleury's last second stop on Nicklas Lidstrom and we've had our memorable moments.  That each has celebrated a Cup in the OTHER's barn the past t wo seasons only makes the fans that more on edge.

 

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Seasoned Pens fans (we won't call them old) would probably tell you the Philadelphia Flyers are the primary rivals and not have too much more debate. The natural cross-state rivalry includes playoff battles in the good old days, rough and tumble matchups with fights galore. Pens fans everywhere know the monumentous struggle to even win 1 game in the Spectrum back in the day. Pittsburgh literally couldn't do it for years.

The rivalry's been renewed in recent years with Mike Richards and Sidney Crosby don't much like each other, Derian Hatcher removed Crosby's teeth.  Scott Hartnell and his dumbass hair.  Hartnell biting Letang.  The team that employs Chris Pronger.  Feel the blood pressure rising yet?  Pittsburgh knocking the Flyers out of the playoffs in the past two seasons has made the results on the ice a little one-sided, but the hate definitely flows both directions.

 

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And then there's Washington. With all the attention of the media and internet, it's not a stretch to say Crosby v. Alex Ovechkin is the biggest individual rivalry in hockey ever. Beyond that, the teams have history too, most notably several playoff series in the 1990's/ early 2000's, in which Pittsburgh came out victors seven out of eight times.  Just mention Marty Straka and Sergei Gonchar's name in the same sentence and see how a Caps' fan takes it.  There's AO on Gonchar's knee, Fleury robbing Ovechkin in Game 7, Crosby and Ovechkin's duel hat-tricks, David Steckel's OT goal, Peter Bondra, Mario Lemieux.

The teams don't like each other on and off the ice, the fans don't like each other, it's a perfect mixing bowl of detestation.

 

I'm not going to open up a poll, because than anonymous users and fans of other teams can skew the vote, and we're looking for Pens fans thoughts on this one. So leave a comment and we'll debate and discuss. Who's the #1, primary rival for the Pittsburgh Penguins? Is it still Philly, no matter what? Have Ovechkin and the Caps superseded them? Or is it Detroit, the team always in the way for glory the Pens rival?

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With the Crosby/Ovechkin battle reaching a crescendo, as well as how much both teams/management/fans dislike each other, I was really close to picking Washington. And after this playoffs (win or lose) they may have taken the crown.

But I have to cast my vote for Philadelphia. That’s the team you’re groomed to hate from the time you’re a kid as a Penguins’ fan.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not surprised you voted for Philly. It’s a long tsanding intra-state feud.

Pit-Philly-DC is really a triangle of hate. I grew hating the Flyers as a Caps fan back when the Pens weren’t even worth discussing (pre-Mario). Now, I’d say its the Pens I hate more, but just barely.

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by Carl Putnam on Mar 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see that. We all know the Pens won almost all the old games, so that doesn’t make Pens fans get bitter about Washington, but it sure does work the other way around.

Wash/Pitt is definitely a better on-ice rivalry, because it’s a lot more even and the result of the game are about 50/50. The Pens have more or less owned Philly of late, but the tradition and history won out for me.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m the first to admit it was a rivalry for Caps fans well before Pens fans due to all the playoff losses.

However, like I said Flyers hate comes in a very close second. The extremely high douchebag quotient on their rosters over the years certainly helps.

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by Carl Putnam on Mar 24, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with you Philadelphia

by jevans on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have a dog in this fight, being a Caps fan and all, but when I read comments from Pens fans about the Caps and Flyers, the difference I note is that as often as not, Penguin fans’ comments reflect a certain contempt for the Caps (dominating the playoff contests over the last 20 years does that). The Flyers? What I read is hatred.

It seems to me you folks have a more burning relationship with the Flyers.

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by ThePeerless on Mar 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. In a lot of ways, the old fans are still angry about losing 40-some straight games in the Spectrum.

by JustinM on Mar 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the “right” answer is Philly, but since I’m a relatively new hockey fan (10-12 years or so) and I haven’t been

groomed to hate from the time you’re a kid as a Penguins’ fan

also living too far from the US doesn’t really help me feel the cross-state rivalry (or hatred?) between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia…

so I’d be honest and go with the Caps…

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Where “too far from the US” do you live? I’m in Europe, myself.

by monge15 on Mar 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bulgaria

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 24, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team I dislike more is Philly hands down, but the Pens have owned them since the lockout. With the Caps its more of an on ice rivalry. By that I mean the two teams are so evenly matched. The last few years in the Playoffs I wasnt nervous at all about the Pens playing the Flyers. If the Pens were to face the Caps again in the playoffs I would be real nervous. I guess it depends on your definition of “rival”. The Flyers have made me hate the color Orange, the caps arent at that point yet. I know I did a lot of contradicting myself here but its a tough call.
I’ll go Philly, until the Caps beat the Pens in the playoffs.

by genomachine-O on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

In state rivalry has to win out, right?

Says the Michigan fan who hates Ohio State far more than Michigan State :)

For the Red Wings, the Pens reign supreme becuase the Colorado rivalry has died down, the Wings and Ducks haven’t crossed paths in the playoffs when it matters all that often, and Chicago is still the new kid on the block. Your team is it, by default. And because you beat us on the biggest stage last year. That might play into it slightly.

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by ahtrap on Mar 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

In the coming months you will forget about Pittsburgh

Chicago is gunning for you and most likely the pens and caps wont play again this year. If they do Ted Leonis might get an aneurysm from screaming CONSPIRACY! At the top of his lungs.

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by carolinaeasy on Mar 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typing FAIL

I meant Pens and WINGS won’t play again this year!

You can see where my mind is at today!

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by carolinaeasy on Mar 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping that's incorrect, and we get to settle the SCF tie

But that’s just me being selfish, and hopeful.

At this point, I’m not sure either the Pens or the Red Wings make it back to the SCF.

But I’d LOVE to see Leonis and the rest of the league whining their little hearts out again :)

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by ahtrap on Mar 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but my gut says both don't do it

And like you said if both do it that would be amazing

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by carolinaeasy on Mar 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

as an out-of-state Pens fan, I have to vote for the Crapitals. Hate is too strong of a word, but I dislike Ovi and the Caps very badly. So much so that I, as an American, was rooting for Canada in the Olympics just so Crosby can use that against Ovechkin. I don’t need the media to hype up this rivalry, it’s pretty clear every time they play.

by AronV on Mar 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Hate, to me, isn’t real in this case. It’s not like waring people or folks killing each other senselessly. That’s hate. I mean I use the word in this piece, but I think most (like you) get that it’s not meant in it’s worst context.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hooks: how about loathe then?

being a longtime Pens, I definitely loathe the Cryers and the Craptials equally….

by Randy F on Mar 24, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

these two are 1 and 1A with the Strangers being 2nd

by Randy F on Mar 24, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fan-hate is what I call it. Like I fan-hate Crosby because he’s the best player on my most fan-hated team, but I have lots of respect for him and sometimes…dare I say it? I’d prefer him over Ovechkin (sometimes).

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by red army line on Mar 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, you dare!

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Likewise

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by red army line on Mar 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to go with Philly, though Caps fans are making it very hard to enjoy playing them. And it seems that I’m not the only one who gets the feeling that the poll over on WiM is fueled purely by butthurt…

by Hatt the Moople on Mar 24, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Caps.

Philly rivalry is just too one-sided lately :)

go pens!

by cyroose on Mar 24, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Philadelphia!

The other two are in this moment. Without divisional connections, they may well wither. The Flyers always have been, are now, and always will be hated rivals.

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by SubLime on Mar 24, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m voting Detroit here. Besides my obvious glee at having an out of conference rival, the two teams and fanbases hate each other, they’ve split series in both the regular season ( One win each this year and last year) and post season (One cup each on the other’s ice), and it makes for great hockey when they face each other.

by SlayerGhaleon on Mar 24, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

One of the differences between the Flyers and the Caps for me is the degree of dirty play. You know that you will get play that at least walks the line of ‘dirty’ every time you play the Flyers. They really try to own the “broad street bullies” name. I’d say something similar is true of Ovi, but not really the entire Capitals team.

by PopRocks on Mar 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Filthadelpia without a doubt

It’s always been the Flyers in my opinion, in the playoffs we defintiely have owned the Caps but there is a true hatred of fans to fans between us and Philly.

by JasonGoPens on Mar 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I vote for Philadelphia as well. I don’t see anybody beating the amount of hatred that goes on during these games.

by xaryss on Mar 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely Philly

For me, it’s the Flyers. So far, the Caps rivalry is pretty much one way. It’s tough to build up that good, searing hate for them when so many of my best memories are of the Pens finding new ways to beat them in the playoffs. On the other hand, living among some of their more rabid fans these past couple of years has changed my thinking a little.

Detroit would be a distant 5th behind Rangers and Devils.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

On the other hand, living among some of their more rabid fans these past couple of years has changed my thinking a little.

Where are you at? Me and Japers Rink commenter F&B have beer summits all the time at local establishments around VA.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA County, brother. Represent!

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh another Marylander, If you’re ever in Arlington (aka civilization), let me know.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got it.

3 more hours before I catch that train down to DC. LET’S GO PENS!!!

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh cool, didn’t realize you were making the game. Be loud and hopefully they’ll give you a reason to be proud.

And if you want to be called a word that rhymes with “hag” a thousand times, where a blue jersey. Stay classy, drunken DC maniacs.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will do. Been debating between the blue Letang and the black Crosby. Either way, I’m sure I’ll be a big hit.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, yeah, that much can be guaranteed.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

they might like you wearing the letang

He IS the reason that Malkin is out, after all.

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by carolinaeasy on Mar 24, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch….but Geno was back from that initial injury until he went into the rut near the boards the other day.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but it feels much better to blame someone instead of the ice

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by carolinaeasy on Mar 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where in AA? I’m in Odenton.

by Hegs on Mar 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in the Groves. You?

by Hegs on Mar 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just a bit off Waugh Chapel Rd, near the GORC park.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that where all of the baseball fields are?

I’ll have to look you up someday. It’s always nice to meet another fan in the area.

by Hegs on Mar 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that’s the place. Sounds good. We’ll need all the friendly faces we can find if there is another Caps-Pens series this year.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely Flyers

 Have to go with Flyers. Even when Pens were struggling they played their hardest against Philly.

by nut1976 on Mar 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Flyers because of the proximity of their fans

And the fact that Washington’s fans really and truly do not bother me as much as Philly fans. I wish we would annex Philly over to New Jersey.

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by carolinaeasy on Mar 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. Some Caps fans have been taking lessons from Flyers fans, but they haven’t graduated yet; and the reasonable Caps fans far outnumber the reasonable Flyers fans (if they even exist).

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flyers.

I hate Philly. No offense to Washington, but they don’t fire me up as much as Philly does. Going into those games, you know a questionable hit will happen (or bite if you’re Scott Hartnell). Or that their emotions will get the better of them at some point in the game (I’m looking at you, Daniel Carcillo). Or a Flyers goalie is going to make a boneheaded play to alter the course of the game. And now Richards (my least favorite player) has a gold medal because of Sid….to hang with his questionable hits and “leadership.” Once Ovechkin starts playing less recklessly, I can respect the Caps. I’ll never respect the Flyers or their city. No contest, Filthadelphia sucks.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Mar 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point. Ovechkin is reckless, but generally just a hard-nosed, good player.

Philly always seems to get the Hartnell’s, Carcillo’s, Laperriere’s and Pronger’s that are real assholes.

Washington’s individuals just don’t deserve the outrage that douchy Philly players (which they always seem to get) do.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was an article in Sports Illustrated about Pronger being the perfect example of a Flyer. He was proud of it. These guys don’t try to hide their douchebaggery.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Mar 24, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gotta be Philadelphia, but it seems everyone’s forgotten that we’re supposed to be big Rangers haters in Pittsburgh. I just can’t even make myself care about them let alone hate.

by JustinM on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Philly

Hands down. Just because Washington struck gold in the draft in recent years (not unlike ourselves), doesn’t magically make them our rivals. There’s a playoff history there, but it mainly consists of us thoroughly owning them. This rivalry is something the media fabricated to get better ratings.

 Detroit…yea, they beat us in the SFC and nobody will ever forget that, but we came right back the next season and beat them, and we did it on their home ice. 2 playoff series doesn’t make for a rivalry.

Pens vs. Philly speaks for itself.

by BDON911 on Mar 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a rivalry because of WHEN the meetings took place

Wings-Ducks isn’t a rivalry, even though there have been a couple of knock down drag out series over the past couple of years, because those took place in the WCF, and in the second round.

SCF is a whole another beast. And the fact that the two teams split the last two years makes for a better story than if one team had won both times. Detroit wouldn’t care nearly so much about the Pens if you hadn’t stolen our hardware.

That’s not to say that the Wings are the #1 rival for the Pens, I wouldn’t argue that’s the case.

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by ahtrap on Mar 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

they all suck equally

to hell w/them all! After reading the detroit free press, i’m really leaning toward Detroit! Can’t believe i said that?? Zetterberg’s a little wuss….seriously, could you imagine sid sitting there while another guy challenges you like that?? Detroit thinks their entitled to the cup. After them whining about our fans booing them in 2008, and then draper (seriously buddy, retire) bitching about sid not shaking hands. Excuse us for taking the reigns!

by yins r jags on Mar 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, you must have REALLY hated Wayne Gretzky

Always having the likes of Marty McSorley taking care of him.

And Mario Lemieux, two fights in his whole career…what a wuss!

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by ahtrap on Mar 24, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly by a wide margin. I want respect the Red Wings but want to beat them every time, and I dislike the Capitals and want to see them lose, but I hate the Flyers and want to see them die in a fire. Still, the Flyers have sucked enough lately that the Pit/Was rivalry has become the more exciting, at least for now, but it’s not the one I’m most passionate about.

by OlenWhitaker on Mar 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Should read: “I respect the Red Wings but…”

by OlenWhitaker on Mar 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I’m looking for a rivalry to breed fights, I always look to Philadelphia. There’s always bad blood going when the two match up.

I’d have to go with Philly. And I’m not old.

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by JDunman on Mar 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with thinking I should say Flyers but also feel that the more recent answer would have to be Washington. But I still think the history that exists between Pittsburgh and Philly is enough to fuel that rivalry for a few more years.

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by FrankD on Mar 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Filthadelphia

No amount of time will pass to make me forget the lean years prior to Sid and Geno, when they would allow the transplanted scumbags from the “schools of higher learning” surrounding the Igloo (under the college rush program) to come in and run rampant wearing their orange and black…

by Dr.Death on Mar 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

By the way, that kid holding the Flyers shirt needs a little spelling lesson.

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by FrankD on Mar 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t get MAF right and no apostrophe in “Thats”. Tsk, tsk.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re elitist jerks.

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by FrankD on Mar 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

besides....Hossa's name is on there

-2 for the bad memories

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by ahtrap on Mar 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

nonsense,he(Hossa) started his own curse,that’s one thing we can take solace in from his tenure….

by Dr.Death on Mar 25, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The nice thing about rivalries — especially in the salary cap era — is that they can be fluid. Sure, you’ll always hate Philly, DC, NYR, and Detroit, but how MUCH you hate them at any given moment depends on personalities and standings particular to that season or two.

I grew up hating the Flyers more than the Caps, because the Caps never broke my heart like the Flyers did (see, 1989 and the 5 OT game in 2000. I was sitting RIGHT OVER THE GOAL PRIMEAU SCORED IN. F#$%!!!!). And then we beat them two years in a row in the playoffs and I simmered down a bit — just in time for Ovechkin vs Sid/Geno.

Right now, I hate the Caps more, largely because of Ovechkin. I live in Harrisburg now, and I want to see live hockey but can’t stomach going to Hershey Bears games and being surrounded by a sea of red #8 (and #52) jerseys. Seeing Ovechkin makes me seethe in a way no Flyer does right now (and really hasn’t since Lindros).

Oh, and I can’t stand the cities of Philly, DC, or Detroit either. Though I do believe that the Flyer and Red Wings fans I’ve met are smarter than the average Cap fan.

by RuthenianCowboy on Mar 24, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems the consensus for the biggest rivalry for the Pens is the Flyers by what I have read. I really would have thought there would have been more votes for Capitals because of the number of playoff battles they have shared in the past and that great series last year. Although I enjoy the rivalry with the Pens in recent years as a long time Flyers fan I would have to go Rangers. Good article and comments Hooks.

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by MJDII on Mar 24, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d be interested to see on a mass level if the majority of Flyers fans would rate the Rangers or Penguins as their primary rival. Perhaps I jumped the gun proclaming Philly to claim the Pittsburgh rivalry as the number 1.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is a definite age group parameter. I am in my forties and I hate the Rangers even though they haven’t really been formidable recently the memories of the early 80’s when they knocked us out two years in a row will never leave my memory. But I have been on SBN for only about 6 months now and I find the majority of the posters are younger people and they have more recent memories which involve the Pens. So being around these sites I would assume you would have more of that prospective. Not to start anything but most of my past memories where very one sided in favor of the Flyers and I never took the Pens as a rival. Even in the successful Mario years he was not really a hate guy.

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by MJDII on Mar 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that, and it makes perfect sense.

It’s the same way here, with “older” folks seeing Philly like you see NYR as the age-old nemesis that used to win back in the day, even if they aren’t that dangerous now.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was at Pitt for grad school in the late 90s/early 2000s, some kid from Philly wrote in the Pitt News that the Flyers didn’t really care about the Penguins, that their big rivalry was and always will be with the Rangers.

I wonder if he feels that way now, after two straight playoff exits.

by RuthenianCowboy on Mar 24, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea the recent years are easily with the Pens but if that guy is of that age group he might still remember all the years the Pens lost to the Flyers in the Playoffs and not to mention the winless streak in the Spectrum. That went on for years the Pens didn’t even win a game in Philly. I like your “Fluid” comment and as much as current events shape these things your impressionable years also have a hand in things also. I am actually of the same impression of Crosby as I was of Mario. I actually enjoy the way they play the game too much to hate either one of them. I hate losing to Crosby but not the same way I used to hate to lose to the Rangers. The rangers really came at the Flyers in the late 70s and early 80s (my impressionable years) with a grudge and wanted to hurt and intimidate the Flyers. Man that was frustrating when they were winning.

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by MJDII on Mar 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be — if he was a sports columnist for the Pitt News I would guess he was 20 or 21 at the time, which would put his birth date between 78 and 82. (I forget what year I read the article.) That would be prime territory for him to remember both the winless Spectrum streak and the "Wregget Series" in 89.

(As I was drafting this reply and figuring out the "kid’s" age, I realized that it’s been 10 years since grad school and that his age is really pretty close to mine. Funny how the mind works when you’re in denial about age.)

by RuthenianCowboy on Mar 24, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

True That!

Just Call Me "M"!

by MJDII on Mar 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really depends on timing and divisional placement.

I hated the Pens the most when they were better than us (like now).
I hated the Rangers the most growing up in the 1980s. My dad and I would go to Saturday matinees and the Rangers fans were awful.
I hated the Capitals in the late 1980s and early 1990s, pretty much the same time I really hated the Pens.

The difference between the Caps and Pens is that the Pens are still divisional rivals. (It’s probably the same reason I have no strong feelings about either the Steelers or Buckos.) The Caps aren’t in the division anymore so I don’t have that animosity.

I will admit to actually rooting for you guys in the 2001 playoffs after we lost to Buffalo, who I really hated back then. Moose was fun to watch.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 25, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

born and raised in philadelphia.
i’ve gotta,100%, say philly.

by katielynn906 on Mar 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Has to be Philly

It is obvious that there is much dislike between fans of both cities… Since I can remember, it’s not the Steelers/Eagles or Pirates/Phillies battles that have gotten us so riled up over the years! Guins/Flyers is what makes the blood boil!!

by Sell My Monkey on Mar 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We’re honored, guys. Truly.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Philly, no doubt

As a diehard fan of my professional teams (Penguins, Kings, Lakers, Dodgers, Seahawks), I have experienced many devastating losses as a fan. None compares to Keith Primeau’s goal in 5OT because none has come at the expense of my most hated rival in such a depressing fashion. I’ve never been so deflated as a fan. Until Ovechkin scores a goal like that in multiple overtime in a momentum shifting game in the playoffs, the Caps are merely flys on the wall to be swatted away. I’ve been a Pens fan since ‘98 when I started watching hockey as a kid and Thugadelphia has always been intense, even in the regular season. You could just see it on the ice how much even the players disliked each other and I’ve loathed them since. Just because we got the monkey off our back and beat them two years straight doesnt mean they aren’t our biggest rival.

If you still dislike a team even when you are in a period of dominance over them and you take every win against them with an extra bit of delight, then that team is your rival, even if a team like the Wings or Caps might have your number in a season or two. So Philly is the #1 rival, without a doubt.

That said, I can’t stand Detroit as an Angeleno who watched Detroit bounce the Kings and Ducks from the playoffs countless times and who always rooted for the Devils and Avs deep in the playoffs and Finals back in my early days of watching hockey because the Pens and Kings could never make it that far. That made our Cup win so much sweeter that it came at the hands of the Wings(via Philly in the first round). Since I live in Jersey now and attend Devils games from time to time, the hate for Philly is doubled. Take into account that Flyers fans (like Phillies fans) are as arrogant as their players are filthy and you have my most hated hockey team, by far. Detroit is second, the Rangers and Canadiens and their likewise arrogant fans are in a close tie for third. Washington isn’t really on my radar until they break our hearts in the playoffs but they are very impressive rival who I respect and fear simultaneously.

Just my two cents

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by PrincetonBruin on Mar 26, 2010 5:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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