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Pens sign defenseman Kris Letang to four year extension

From the team:

The Pittsburgh Penguins have signed defenseman Kris Letang to a four-year contract extension, it was announced today by executive vice president and general manager Ray Shero. Financial terms were not disclosed.

The new contract goes into effect at the start of the 2010-11 season and will run through 2013-14

More surely to come as news breaks, but this definitely is a positive to keep a young key contributor around for the next four seasons.

UPDATE: 

TSN is reporting the average salary (cap hit) will be $3.5 million a season.

Letang, who will turn 23 years old next month, has already played 223 NHL regular season games (and 39 more in playoff action). That kind of experience is almost unheard of for a defenseman.  It was expected that Letang would blossom this season offensively, after he scored 13 points in 22 playoff games last spring, but that hasn't been the case.

However lately he's played some very strong hockey and is on a "shutdown" defensive unit with Brooks Orpik that often matches up against the opposition's best forwards.  Letang also has a special skill-set on the shootout, he's 4 for 10 this season with 3 "Game deciding" goals.

A $3.5 million cap hit for Letang represents a raise of $2.665 million on the salary cap.  The Penguins, tight to the cap as it is, are going to have to account for that.  Does that have ramifications for Sergei Gonchar?  It sure seems like it.

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I like this move. He has been stepping up. This will be Gonch’s last season?

by CGNC on Mar 30, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I think all signals may be pointing that way.

Hopefully soon the numbers will leak on how much Letang’s deal is. If it’s at or around $3 million I’ll be estatic.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

TSN says its $3.5 mil per season (I knew they wouldn’t let me down!).

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=316025

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

3.5 a Year is a bit of a stretch. Since they play Goligoski more on the PP. I suppose they are banking on Gonchar walking next year, Tang and Orpik seem to play well together (they shut down AO in Washington).

Maybe this is the deal that signs Gonchars walking papers (unless he takes less than Market value). Not a huge fan of them paying 3.5…. seems a bit high for him, I would have figured 2.5 or maybe 3 at most.

by Strikers09 on Mar 30, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

$2.5 or $3 million might be fair on a short contract, but for a pretty long 4 year contract, $3.5 million could be fair money when Letang is a 25/26 year old player.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I’d heard he wanted more, in the four to five range, but that could’ve just been rumors from somewhere. I think 3.5 is worth it, if Tanger keeps improving at a steady rate.

by Hatt the Moople on Mar 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had said I heard a rumor that he turned down $3.5M/year, but he may have turned that down over 3 years instead of 4. Who knows. It might not have been true at all.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its another contract to grow into. They did the same with Staalsy. He might be a little overpaid at first but, people underestimate his defensive abitlites. If he didnt have the expectations of being an offensive defenseman he would just be known as a very good defenseman right now.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha yes.

rec’d

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, almost surely, unless Gonch decides to take a $3M pay cut. Or bigger.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kris has mad skating skillz which is why he can get under AO’s skin (among other things) LOL

by CGNC on Mar 30, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

like it alot

great talent and he will develop into a mike green type of player or dan boyle…he is only 22

by jharrison92 on Mar 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Now they just have to re-sign Leopold.

by RCheli on Mar 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

As I updated, Letang’s raise is $2.665 million, if Leopold can/wants to come back for around $2.3 million, that will effectively replace Gonchar’s cap hit.

That’d put your top 4 defensemen next season as:

Orpik-Letang
Goligoski-Leopold

Then you’d have Mark Eaton (or his $2 million) to sign someone and maybe give Lovejoy a shot as the 6th guy?

Next year’s D corps seems to be rounding into shape, and it’s hard to see Gonchar in it.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That D core seems to be missing some size yet. I like it so far though.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do we think about Engelland? He was decent when called up … and certainly wouldn’t cost much …

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seemed to be a decent player, me personally Im not a fan of a fighting defenseman.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but I think Engelland is limited. He’s not a great skater or puck mover and I think would be exposed as a liability in the NHL if he played 80 games.

He might be good to keep around as a depth guy, and he certainly did OK in a small dose this season, but I think the Pens are in trouble if they need to rely on him.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds about right. I keep thinking of him in the ‘7th defenseman’ role. But then I remind myself that he’s not an NHL veteran, and that role is (usually) best filled by a veteran. And then I say “yeah, but he’s decent, and would make a good 7th defenseman”. And then I remind myself …

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then I realize that I spend way too much time thinking about hockey :)

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Engelland doesn’t have enough NHL caliber potential… I doubt he’ll ever be better than 8th or 9th on the defensemen depth chart

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like what I’ve seen of Lovejoy. He would not look out of place playing 17 minutes a game out there. I also like Eaton — more than others, it seems — and paying him $2 million would be worth it.

They’d need that 7th guy, but hopefully they can find him like McKee/Skoula — right at the end of free agency.

by RCheli on Mar 30, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are also missing one very important factor. Cap Space, the Cap will likely remain at 56. Pens now have 11.5 (counting Tangs 3.5 against the 15 the Pens had available). If you keep Leo and Eaton at the extra 5, you are left with 6.5 to fill out your Forwards.

Guerin, Feds, Poni, Cooke are all up. You have to keep Cooke, hes too valuable, so hes 1.5. Leaves 5 Mil for 3 TOP 6 Wingers… I dunno, I don’t want to be in Shero’s shoes right now.

by Strikers09 on Mar 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if your numbers are right. By my count, the Pens have $43.75 million for 13 players next season (Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz, Dupuis, Kennedy, Talbot, Rupp, Adams, Orpik, Letang, Goligoski, Fleury).

If the caps stays the same, that’s roughly $13.05 million for:
-2 top 6 forwards (this assumes Dupuis on 2nd line)
-3 top 6 defensemen
-1 backup goalie

It’ll be tough, but not impossible. I think by signing Letang now, versus waiting to the summer, it’s showing they know roughly how the pieces are going to slide into place

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would Thiessen be ready for next year? He’s played really well in the AHL and ECHL this season.

by RCheli on Mar 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people (myself included) thought Curry would be ready and we see how that worked out.

I think I’d be more comfortable with a proven NHL vet (Conklin, Garon, Johnson, etc). Shouldn’t be too hard to find a cheap one.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed with Hooks, that next year most likely RS will go for another one-year deal with a veteran backup goalie.

seems there are some serious doubts over Curry’s future even as a backup… and Thiessen might be better off with another year down in WBS

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 30, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have to pencil in Lovejoy into the top 6 and remove his next year salary.

I also think Cooke, Gonchar, Feds, McKee and Guerin have very little chance of coming back, unless it is WAY below markte deals. Eaton will come back, but for less than $2mm per.

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by Ulf Murphy on Mar 30, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

For this to work, I think you’re going to have to find a top-six forward with what we have now. Hopefully, TK will have the breakout next year that I think we were hoping for this year – it’s easier to find (and cheaper to pay) third-line grinders than Jason Blake clones.

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by wg1of5 on Mar 30, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you push TK, or do you keep him and Cooke with Staal? That line offers more as a third line than pushing TK to “possibly” be a top 6 forward. As much as I like TK, hes not a top6 guy. (Neither is Dupuis, but thats a different debate). I think they need to keep Cooke and Eaton, Both at 1.5 would be key.

Lovejoy really needs to step up his game and stick with the club next year. Then it gives you the rest of your salary for a few top 6 forwards, leaving some for Injuries and free agency.

by Strikers09 on Mar 30, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eaton should be retained, IMO. He’s the best defensive defenseman (ignoring offensive ability entirely) that they have right now.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm … better than Orpik? They’re very different types of players, so they’re hard to compare, but I wouldn’t say Eaton is ‘better’ than Orpik.

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He and Orpik are more or less equal. At this point, you’re probably right, but that’s mostly due to Orpik coming on really strong lately.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eaton and Orpik equal? What the hell are you talking about

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Defensively? Oh yes. Just because Eaton isn’t handing out free candy all over the place doesn’t mean he’s as sound as they come on this team.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t mean he’s NOT as sound as they come.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with genomachine-O

Eaton is not close to Orpik in any skill but the poke check. There is a reason Orpik is making $4mm a year and Eaton $2mm.

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by Ulf Murphy on Mar 30, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he is better than Orpik. But, he is as solid as they come. You never see him out of position or leaving the other Dman stranded. I too feel he needs to be retained.

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s just it. Orpik has more offensive ability than shows up on the stat sheet, and that plays into it. He has (had?) a tendency to run around a little too much. He seems to have gotten over that pretty recently, though.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true. I can’t remember the last time I was cursing Eaton for a stupid mistake that cost us a goal. I’m sure it has happened on occasion, but not nearly as often as it happens with the other defensemen (including ones I like overall).

by Cari on Mar 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few weeks ago there were 3 or 4 stories in a row with people complaining about Eaton. Saying put Skoula in for Eaton. He had an absolutely terrible stretch of play. You cant say the same about Orpik. Hes been the most consistent defenseman all year for the Pens. Orpik has gotten a lot better at picking his spots to go for a big hit. Rarely does he go for a hit and end up costing his team anymore. I didnt hear Eatons name mentioned at all for the US olympic team. I dont think Oprik would have been in the top 4 for the US if his abilities were thought to be equal to Eatons.

by genomachine-O on Mar 31, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and neither was Scuderi, but we all know his defensive ability is right up at the top of the league, let alone his team. For defensemen, attention and pay aren’t always directly related to skill, especially if they can’t also score or hit like a Mack truck.

by JustinM on Mar 31, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again I’m not saying the Eaton is a bad defenseman, hes ok . Hes just not as good as Orpik and your not going to convince me that he is.

by genomachine-O on Mar 31, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s the difference between us, I guess. You say that Orpik and Letang are both better and nothing will convince you otherwise; I honestly don’t care who is better so long as I have evidence of it.

by JustinM on Mar 31, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s not better than either Orpik or Letang defensively. He’s aging and I don’t think he’s worth $2 mil at this point to the Pens.

by AronV on Mar 30, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, he’s definitely better than Letang defensively. No question at all. Letang will be better, but he’s not there yet.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eaton is not better than Letang defensively either, dude what have you been watching.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, fine. Explain to me how Letang is better defensively, then. You have to take into account that Eaton’s been paired with a much lower quality of teammate than Letang’s been.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets just say, Letang is less of a question mark than Eaton.

You know what you will get from Eaton. Nothing extraordinary and nothing catastrophic.

Where with Tang… who knows, could make a spectacular play, or may just go all bonehead.

by Strikers09 on Mar 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Letang does not get beat to the outside at all.
He can skate with anybody in the league.
He’s better at breaking up plays in the zone and forcing turnovers.
Letang is more physical.
Letang is better in the corners.
Letang can skate the puck out of trouble which Eaton cant really do. That is a part of being better defensively.
Letang makes better breakout passes.
Letang is matched up against top lines every game.
I could go on. Most of these are the same reasons I would say Orpik is better than Eaton too.
Orpik is the best defenseman the Pens have in front of the net, Letang has drastically improved in that area too.
Im not saying Eaton is a bad defensman,
He may be better positionally at times than Letang or Orpik. But they are both better skaters so they can afford to do that.
Eatons just not there best defensive defenseman, not eve

by genomachine-O on Mar 31, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must be watching a different Letang. I see him getting beat to the outside a couple times a game. The thing is, he has the speed to catch back up, most of the time anyway.

There’s no question that Letang has more takeaways than Eaton. They both have more giveaways than takeaways, though. That’s generally true of most defensemen, though.

Letang is better in the corners? Okay…can you quantify that?

Skating with the puck is an offensive ability, not a defensive one. Likewise with making passes. Defense is preventing shots, not setting up a play.

And quality of competition, Letang’s fourth out of the defensemen behind Leopold, Gonchar, and Orpik. If anything, he’s getting time against second lines, not top lines. Eaton’s right behind that, at 5th. The difference is that Orpik and Eaton have negative modifiers for quality of teammates (meaning they get no help while they’re out there), while Letang gets the most help on the defense outside of Jay McKee.

by JustinM on Mar 31, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right forwards arent going around Letang and in on the net. Letang can skate with anyone.
Skating and passing qualify as defensive abilities when is in the defensive zone. Its preventing the other team from scoring right? Letang doesnt just flip the puck out of the zone for the other team to come right back in. When Letang goes into a puck battle in the corners more times than not hes coming out of there with the puck.
Letang and Orpik are the top pairing! Theyve played against Ovie all year. Watch which pair plays against Stamkos tonight. They are always against the other teams top lines.

by genomachine-O on Mar 31, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

For two of the three games against WAS so far this year, you’re right. But we’ve always been at war with Oceania, right?

As far as I can tell (using timeonice.com), that Feb 7 game against the Caps was the first game where Letang got first-pairing minutes against top competition. Before that, it was Orpik and Gonchar, mostly. After that it was still touch and go until March, when he appeared to hold down that spot consistently. (Of course, you have to consider Gonchar’s absence here too.)

So, it’s far from conclusive that Letang/Orpik is the top pairing. It probably is at this point, but it’s only been recently, and possibly influenced by the roster shuffling in general.

by JustinM on Mar 31, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

k but no M.E. in that conversation at all. Im not trying to jump on your case or anything dude, Im just voicing my opinion

by genomachine-O on Mar 31, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing I didn’t get is… when did the whole thing turn into the “For and against Mark Eaton” thread:)

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 31, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well…

Justin said keep Eaton he’s the best
Poprocks said what about Orpik
Genomachine got involved pro-Orpik
Ulf agreed
Cari kind of backed Eaton because he doesn’t make her curse
AronV came down decidedly anti-Eaton
Strikers confused everyone with his comment
genomachine wrote what appears to be a sonnet
Justin held firm…

I know you’re out of the contry and everything, but try to keep up, man.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha! Very nice! I needed a pick-me-up :)

Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over. Go Pens!

by PopRocks on Mar 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would have been even better if I could have spelled country

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 31, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to side with Justin on this one: Letang is great, and is continually improving — and will probably be better than Eaton. But he still makes a lot of mistakes that lead to goals. Eaton isn’t so prone to the sorts of mistakes that Letang makes.

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea a 3.5 million cap hit sure would seem to make this Gonchars last season with the Pens. If Gonch doesnt come down from his 5 million a year I cant see RS spending 8.5 million between the two. I love the deal though, Letang is going to be a star. Players all say they dont worry about upcoming contract negotiations, but I really wonder if thats true. Letang will eventually put up the offensive numbers. To be honest with a young defenseman I would rather they developed their defensive game first. The goals will come with experience.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it is up to Gonch to decide what is important to him at this point in his career. Take a lot less money than you may be worth to stay with a team that is likely to be a Cup contender for the rest of your career, or go elsewhere and get the dollars that you have earned? Honestly, I don’t judge the guy either way. It’s easy for me to say he should stay, a few million bills a year is worth trading for a chance to go out as a key guy on a team that won multiple titles. He obviously has to do the right thing for himself and his family, but as so many have said here, it doesn’t seem possible that he’ll be a Penguin at the price he probably wants.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 30, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guerin went from a salary of $4.5 million to $2 million. Gonchar’s going to have to do the same.

Gonchar is a lot closer to his peak than Guerin is, so who knows if he’ll want to do it. He’ll certainly have bidders on July 1.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some team is going to give him too much money for too long a deal. Nobody should be annoyed at him if some team offers him a 3-yr/$12M deal and he takes it — that’s a lot of money.

by RCheli on Mar 30, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard the Kings have cap space, cough Scuderi cough.

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by gorgalor on Mar 30, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will be bidders for Gonchar this summer. Guerin was not going to make much more in the open market than he got offered from the Pens. He could have made more, but not much more to stay with a contender. Gonchar will have teams willing to pay him significantly more that what the Pens will be willing to offer. 55 is a goner guys! He has his name on the Cup, now it is about financial security for him and his family for years to come. I’m sad to see him go, but let’s enjoy him while we can.

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by Dr Tre on Mar 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, he’s got all the financial security he’ll ever need. Let’s not make this about that.

I still wouldn’t begrudge him whatever he can get, though. He’s worth more than the Pens are going to be able to give, but I don’t think he’s worth what he’s currently making, either.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m just glad that hair gets to stick around.

…what?

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I knew that was coming.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

clearly, i am the most intellectual member here.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well … you do pay attention to the important things. It keeps the rest of us on track!

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

aww, shucks, thanks. =)

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We wouldn’t have it any other way.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

you’re making me blush. hug for you. and maybe a fruit basket.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love fruit. Make sure there’s a mango in there and you’ll be my new best friend for life.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is great to have Letang staying in Pittsburgh. I have to believe this means that Gonchar is gone. I think RS made the right decision. I just hope Letang shows he is worth the 3.5 million.

by xaryss on Mar 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Echoing the relief that Letang is staying around. He’s young, has already played well in big game situations, and still has tremendous potential to improve over the next 4 years.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Good deal. Letang is sitll getting better, he’s a great skater with tons of offensive talent. He’s just 22, and I think he could be one of the best offensive defensemen in the league in 2-3 years. Defensively he could be better, but he is a very good puck mover. If you’re not Don Cherry and don’t hate corsi, he’s 4th among defensemen in team relative corsi.

by et_pitt on Mar 30, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Fourth among team defensemen in GVT as well.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I worded that poorly, but Letang is fourth in the league among defensemen in team relative corsi.

by et_pitt on Mar 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, wow. That’s impressive.

Remind me: Corsi factors in shot blocks and missed shots as “shots taken”, right? As in, they still count against your defensive ability because you didn’t actually prevent shots?

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s right. It’s not a perfect measure by any means, but it does show that Letang is pretty good at getting the puck out of the zone and up the ice.

by et_pitt on Mar 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I like that part of Corsi. Shot prevention ultimately has to be more important than blocking or deflecting.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

2014 is going to suck though! Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Orpik, and Letang are all UFA’s that summer. That is going to be tough. Enjoy these next 4 years Pens fans because there will be a purge eventually!

Fleury is a UFA in 2015! Yikes!

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by Dr Tre on Mar 30, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Malkin and Orpik’s contracts don’t end until 2015.

Crosby, Staal and Letang expire 2014.

If anything, I can’t wait until 2013 — Crosby’s next deal will doubtlessly be a long-term less money value deal that will free up cap space.

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by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please lets not worry about that yet, next year sure….2014 lets not go there yet.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see Sid signing a long term deal that would keep him in the Burgh for his career, but what makes you so sure it will be for less money? I guess with all the endorsments he has, he could take less money and still make about the same per year.
IF he signs a deal that is for less per year than he has now, wouldn’t almost force Malkin to sign for the same (or less) amount the next year, if he wanted to stay with the Pens, that is.

I don’t know how I feel about Tanger’s deal just yet…I could see it really be considered a bargain in about 3 years though.

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by PensFan8725 on Mar 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn’t make the new arena seat 18,087 by coincidence.

Guys like Toews and Kane took $6.5 to stay, under value, I’d think the Pens could give Sid 10-15 years and $6-7m and both sides win. He’s not going to sign for peanuts, but I’d bet money his next contract is more cap friendly than this one.

But genomachineo’s right, that’s a long, long way’s away. They’ll even have a new CBA by then so signing 10-15 years may not even be an option. who knows.

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the last construction update, I noticed an odd looking row of 16 seats that was sort of off by itself. Looks like they could reduce to 18,071 without breaking a sweat.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

o snap.
keep sid forever and ever.
period. i don’t care about number crunching. he’s ours.
the end.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Post-Gazette says that the numbers that are posted are the real ones. With all due respect, you may want to check and see. Love your profile picture by the way!

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by Dr Tre on Mar 30, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Where do they say that?

Bob McKenzie reported that it’s an average of $3.5 million a season, and his word is almost always Gospel on these type of things. We’ll amend if something else comes out, but for now I’d say it’s right

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think more than anything this might be a move to call Sarge’s bluff. The whole thing just might be a message saying of while you’re thinking about things, we’re gonna sign a kid long term.

I think Letang is a great player, much better that Goligoski. And he moves the puck much better between the two, which is why I think he should be the one they turn to to lead the PP, not GoGo. If you get rid of GoGo you could get a better player, maybe a vet, to fill the role that Sarge will be leaving. But like I said above, maybe this kicks Sarge in the ass to wake up and settle.

And I think this means they should sign Leopold after this year. He looks like he really fits here in Pittsburgh, he just needs to get acquainted with the system completely.

Let’s see how this turns out, but I wouldn’t be writing Gonchar’s walking papers just yet.

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by AlexStitch on Mar 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

There are no guarentees yet for sure, but when we all sit around an play GM the rumored deal Gonch is looking for just doesnt seem to work. Who knows maybe by time the summer comes and negociations start again Gonch will feel differently about it. We’ll have to wait and see, but its fun to speculate.

by genomachine-O on Mar 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get rid of gogo? We all know this is his first full year in the NHL right? He’ll come around just have to give him some time.

by Repperson29 on Mar 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Getting rid of Goligoski is absolutely preposterous unless you’re looking for a lot of return, and the Penguins don’t have the cap space for that.

Gogo is much, much better than people here seem to think.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Tanger should be on the PP not just because of talent, but so that the Pens can have a one timer option on the left point.

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by Dr Tre on Mar 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Discussion on Eaton...

Agreeing with genomachine….Eaton has no equal on this team, because no other d men is as bad as Eaton. What the H are you Eaton lovers watching, I recommend instead of bsing on this blog most of the game, watch this gutless wonder….and to call him a defensive defenseman [Equal to Orpik, ARE YOU NUTS????]….you absolutely know nothing about what your talking about. Do yourselves a favor, go back in the game stats and tell me the last time he is listed as having an official hit in a game…keep looking…an opponent running him over does not count as a hit…..Send him on his way and the $2 mil will be better spent.

by MDhunter on Mar 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

you should tell us what you really think

I agree that he is no longer a top 4 defenseman (maybe never was a top 4 for that matter), but if they can sign him for under 2 million I have no issues with him being a 5th, 6th, or 7th defenseman on this team.

The Pens have some defenseman in the system (Strait, Sneep, Despres, and Englland) but none are ready for the majors just yet.

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by Dr Tre on Mar 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont forget about the best prospect IMO

Noone talks about rookie dman Robert Bortuzzo of the wbs penguins so I gotta give him some love. A big kid 6-4, 212 lbs. He’s not an offensive dman but solid defensively. (2g 10a in 69 games this year). He is a +12 also. Kills penalties. I dont think he’s ready for NHL next year but probably the year after. Also liked Alex Grant in the few games he’s played whenhe filled in for Wagner. He’s probably 2 years away. But put Bortuzzo at the top of the dman prospect list behind Lovejoy of course. I’d like to see him in WBS next year and really show a great season and get a deserved call up for a few games to replaced injured Pit Dman. (prob eaton or gonchar if we resign either lol theyre always getting hurt)

by TonyAndrock on Mar 30, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

also been trying to watch most WBS games this season and the Strait-Bortuzzo pair is really playing very sound defensively.
But who’d you say is more ready for the NHL? I think Strait, although not that strong physically can be ready for some NHL duty as early as next season.

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 31, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So let me see if I get this strait. Because he doesn’t have a lot of hits he can’t play defense? Right…Perhaps it is you who doesn’t know what you are talking about. Defensive responsibility is about positioning, not about how many hits you have. He plays solid D game in and game out. And by that I mean that more often than not he puts himself between the puck and net. He doesn’t chase forwards around the back of the cage. He doesn’t pinch too far into the offensive zone and get caught. He rarely carelessly leaves his position to make a hit or grab a puck thereby leaving an opening for the offense. He makes good decisions with the puck. He plays textbook defense and plays it well. He wont show up on the highlight reels with a big hit or a goal but he will play effective defense all night long.

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly — he’s not our best defenseman, but he plays solid, consistent defense, and that is valuable to the team. Not making stupid mistakes is very important. And his salary is reasonable at $2 million.

by Cari on Mar 30, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a wonderful world we live in where not making stupid mistakes earns you $2 mil per year.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish my job was like that!

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Eaton serves a purpose, but there’s a reason he plays less minutes at even strength than any other regular Pens defensemen

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you make stupid mistakes you only get one million dollars. There has to be an incentive. :)

by Cari on Mar 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you make stupid mistakes you only get one million dollars

and if you can’t score on top of that, you are Craig Adams….zing!

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by Ulf Murphy on Mar 30, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicklas Lidstrom

doesn’t accumulate many hits.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Mar 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Orpik takes more penalties, too.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've had a red arse about him quite a while....

When I watch this team, every player is under the microscope. ME has stood out as a very weak link on this unit for quite a while, and seems to be getting worse. Alot of errant passes, premature passes, it appears to me, his play is based on doing what ever it takes not to get hurt..he will never “get his hands dirty” . He avoids most contact if he can. Pensfan024, 024, is that your IQ? Positioning…why has he been a minus player more times than not. You talk about positoning..there is no player on this team out of position than ME….noone. Start watching the game instead of your computer screen.

by MDhunter on Mar 30, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

can’t we all just get along? we’re all pens fans here.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. PensFan024 is (probably) not Ray Shero, so there is no reason to get angry at him/her for defending a player that you don’t want on the team. Fans can watch the same games and have different opinions.

by Cari on Mar 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is no player on this team out of position than ME

Except for Gogo and Letang and probably Gonch too. I agree that he is hesitant to make a hit. But if he is a minus more times than not why is he a plus four. The only defenseman signifigantly better than him in that category is Orpik. But hey why let facts get in the way of your argument when you can use insults to show us all how smart you are. If you are so right back it up with more than the lame comments about IQ and not knowing what we are talking about.

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW I don’t take part in the game threads. I’m, you know, watching the games.

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should. During the losing stretch there, the threads were more fun than the games. :)

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The laptops been down for a while with a corrupted hard drive. Once it’s back up and running I will be around again.

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, that sucks. Been there, done that, and I don’t want the t-shirt to remind me.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, let’s avoid the personal insults. We’re all about vigorous debate, but no need to get like that.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those of us who don’t have cable and can’t watch the games, or prefer listening to Mike Lange and the radio broadcasts, the game threads help fill any voids that we miss while listening, and we can always ask for an explanation or recap of a play from those watching.

I wonder what gem of narcissism you’ll throw out because of this post.

"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny

by AlexStitch on Mar 30, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

First: That is an amazing and hilarious video. Hilazing.

Second: I’m not that bad. Like I said above, I don’t have cable and can’t afford to get it, so I have to listen to Mike if I want to follow the games. Plus I’m a radio grad, so listening to that is like practice you know?

C: Thanks again for the video.

"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny

by AlexStitch on Mar 30, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

good signing pens

always liked that guy deep down even though i can not bring myself to liking any of the Penguins players :) lol

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Mar 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

we won’t tell anyone. just for you.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

While i don't disagree with this signing at all

compared to Gonch’s, Tanger’s slapshot looks like a wet noodle

by t. woody on Mar 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahhaha.
this is flawless.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS — We agree

Signed

Glass and boards that are high/wide of the net

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hey, he’s gotten that sorted out in Gonchar’s absence. Coincidence? Probably, but it’s still interesting, and goals will follow.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah … Letang just has to start practicing with chairs, and actually take the shot more often.

by PopRocks on Mar 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

024 Loves Eaton

Now for the stats, as in my business [former business that is, able to retire at 55 was due to my smarts], what have you done for me lately is all that counts..and if you look at ME stats over the last say month or so, you’ll see different. Glad you watch the game, watch a little closer.

by MDhunter on Mar 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually it’s not about what you have done for me lately. Otherwise Letang wouldn’t have gotten the contract he just got. You see that’s about what he will hopefully do in the future. It’s that what-have-you-done-lately mentality that had everyone clamoring to trade Staal last year. You probably wanted to drop Dupuis earlier this year based on that train of thought. But, thankfully Ray Shero is not as smart as you and looks at a players whole body of work when he makes his decisions. Uh oh, now I probably love Staal and Dupuis and Shero. My wife must be getting jealous. Unfortuneatly I won’t be watching the game through a microscope as you say, I like to see the whole picture, stupid me.

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

ew, who likes jordan staal?

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Katie and Jordan sitting in a tree…

Nevermind, this is a family site.

by JustinM on Mar 30, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m just gonna sit here and twirl my hair innocently.

by katielynn906 on Mar 30, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap, that was meant for Frank. Your post was good, too. :(

by JustinM on Mar 31, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was like “…i didn’t think it was THAT good.”
but srsly, frank for the win right here.

by katielynn906 on Mar 31, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

K-I-L-L-I-N-G (penalties)

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by FrankD on Mar 30, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

joanie loves chachi

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Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.

by Hooks Orpik on Mar 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

:) your stocks just keep rising these days… ;)

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Mar 30, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

024 Loves Eaton, Shero, 11 and 9... and his wife....

Your losing focus my friend. We are/were discussing Mark Eaton #7….your getting off track a bit. I never suggested trading or getting rid of the entire team basis what players did, doing or going to do. I want to get rid of the weakest link of the defensive unit…that’s all….Focus….your argument is leading you astray…

by MDhunter on Mar 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

How did I forget my wife!?!

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. GO PENS

by PensFan024 on Mar 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

to 024

Agree to Disagree….have used that in the past…good one. Go Pens!!!

by MDhunter on Mar 30, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

GoGo sucks

I swear to God, ever time he handles the puck it is mishandled. He seems to make every wrong decision on the powerplay and is afraid to shoot. He can be really good and played awful well at the start of the season prior to his injury. He has been awful lately.

Letang has been doing everything right the last few weeks. He is finally putting shoots on net, being in the right place. He is very fast for a defensemen. The points aren’t there yet… the process is…. the points will follow. I love Tanger.

by zeke5123 on Mar 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

good for kris we need to keep him and orpik along with gonchar

by pensfan87 on Mar 30, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Good sign for the team. I think the number is based on what we will see in the future more-so than what has come before, as has been pointed out previously. I’m pretty excited to see him have the opportunity to explore his potential with the Penguins.

If Gonchar doesn’t come back next year, I believe Letang gets a chance to be a quarterback on the powerplay. I only think Goligoski is getting the role now to keep some kind of consistency with positions of the remaining, non-injured, players going into the playoffs.

by BWeso on Mar 30, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting. Can’t say I love it, can’t say I hate it. He more or less got what he wanted though, minus about $500K per.

I think in another year or two we’ll all be happy with this signing. Or happier than his play would warrant this past season.

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by FrankD on Mar 30, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you! I’m just glad what I wrote made sense somewhere other than in my own mind. XP

by kellyn on Mar 31, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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