Pensburgh writers pick the NHL awards
by Hooks Orpik on Apr 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
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They haven't sent us ballots for the NHL awards (and they were due in last Sunday) so they must have gotten lost in the mail, or something. Anyways, here's your Pensburgh editor picks for the NHL Awards
Calder Trophy (rookie of the year)
Hooks: Tyler Myers (BUF) -- Myers is the best defensemen on Buffalo, in terms of points, time on ice and plus/minus. His offense numbers almost match that of rookie forwards Matt Duchene and John Tavares, who have had fine campaigns, but weren't leaned on as heavily as Myers was. Jimmy Howard and Tuukka Rask merit consideration as well, but all things considered, Myers has been the finest and he's played every night.
Frank: Tyler Myers (BUF) -- I had my eye on Myers from about November on. I know it sometimes takes a lot for a rookie to gain some attention alongside the likes of fellow classmen John Tavares, Matt Duchene and Evander Kane, but Myers played a quiet and respectable game all season in Buffalo. Quiet in that he didn't get much attention from the general hockey population, respectable in that he topped even the veteran defensemen on the team in a variety of categories.
Justin: Jimmy Howard (DET) -- Detroit aged the rookie goaltender like a fine wine in Grand Rapids for what seemed like forever, giving start after start, year after year to the questionable Chris Osgood. Finally this year, Osgood's play was so bad it left Detroit no choice but to bring up Howard, who barely qualified as a rookie. His play is a big reason that Detroit was able to solidify a playoff spot this season and continue the string of playoff runs. Top 5 in the league in GAA (2.26) and SV% (.924) while playing 63 games? No contest.
Other nominees -- Tuukka Rask, Tyler Myers
The rest, after the jump...
Lady Byng
For the player who is voted to show the most sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct while maintaining a high level of play
Hooks: Martin St. Louis (TB) -- Sort of a reputation award, St. Louis put up 95 points (29g, 65a) and only took 12 PIM's in 82 games and has a good rap as a player who plays the game the right way, and can play in all situations.
Frank: Matt Cooke (just kidding). Honestly this is one of the hardest trophy's to pick, so I'd really like to leave this one up for debate in the comments.
Justin: Martin St. Louis (TB) -- For all the same reasons Hooks had. Other nominees -- Daniel Sedin, Patrick Marleau
Norris
"Given to the defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position"
Hooks: Duncan Keith (CHI) -- The award goes to the best all-around defensemen, so I tab Keith. He almost held serve with Mike Green offensively (7 points back), with Green getting well over 2+ more minutes per game on the PP. When it came to even strength + penalty kill time on ice, Green played 20:24, Keith 23:46. In my opinion, Keith's been the class of all defensemen in the all-around game.
Frank: Mike Green (WAS) -- Say what you will about his defensive game, but Green still finished the season ranked a +39. I know Chicago's Duncan Keith and Los Angeles' Drew Doughty are also solid candidates, but I say you have to give the nod to Green on this one. Capital or not...
Justin: Duncan Keith (CHI) -- This one went down to the last game for Chicago and Washington, and I have to pick Keith. Given that Keith's offense is essentially Mike Green's equal and his defense is better, the choice became clear when Keith's defensive colleagues fell off (either through injury or through play) at the end of the season.
Other nominees -- Mike Green, Drew Doughty
Masterton
Given to the "player who best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship, and dedication to ice hockey."
Hooks: Jose Theodore (WASH) -- Theodore not only preserved through a tough season last year, but he had to deal with the tragic death of his infant son. He's doing a lot of great charity work in Washington, and on top of all of that he hasn't lost a game in regulation in the year of 2010.
Frank: Tomas Holmstrom (DET) -- For sticking around despite all the injuries and surgeries he's gone through lately
Justin: Jose Theodore (WSH) -- I'm going with him for the same reasons as Hooks.
Vezina
For the goaltender "adjudged to be the best at this position".
Hooks: Ryan Miller (BUF) -- He's got the numbers (41 wins, 2.22 GAA, .929 save %), he's got the pedigree and reputation and he deserves it all. Simply put, though Ilya Bryzgalov and Martin Brodeur have had excellent seasons, no netminder's been better all season long than Miller.
Frank: Ryan Miller (BUF) -- I can't deny Ryan Miller this one. The guy played out of his mind for Team USA and is definitely the difference maker in Buffalo's playoff run. How far he can take them is still a debatable topic.
Justin: Ryan Miller (BUF) -- Just when you thought this guy was going to fall apart and hand the award to someone else, he comes right back and shows everyone just how good he can be. Along with the rookie Myers, if you want the number one reason Buffalo won their division this year, look no further than this guy. Other nominees --Evgeni Nabokov, Ilya Bryzgalov
Selke
Given to the forward "demonstrates the most skill in the defensive component of the game."
Hooks: Patrick Marleau (SJ) -- Spent the most time of any Sharks forward on the PK (that was a top 5 unit) and has the flashy numbers with 4 short-handed goals. And the advanced metrics to make James Mirtle's honor list are there too.
Frank: Jordan Staal (PIT) -- Many will argue that Jordan Staal is too young to receive this award. Why he has to be older is beyond me. He may have only scored two shorties this season, but anyone who watched a Penguins game will tell you that Staal is truly coming into his own. To say he will one day be one of the league's best two-way forwards is an understatement. Unfortunately he has yet to earn that title. Fortunately for Pens fans other teams still have their doubts.
Justin: Jordan Staal (PIT) -- No forward has done more defensively with less help from a defensive system around him than our own Staal brother. This is not even hometown bias speaking. The only other forwards who are even close to Staal's defensive GVT (5.9) come from teams with far superior defenses. Other nominees -- Travis Zajac, Patrick Sharp
Adams
Given to the coach "adjudged to have contributed the most to his team's success."
Hooks: Dave Tippett (PHO) -- If anyone thought Phoenix would be the 4th seed in the West after the regular season they're either a liar or someone who belongs in the crazy ward. Tippett replaced a legend in Wayne Gretky and in the toughest situation of any team in NHL history got the Coyotes to comfortably exceed the highest of expectations.
Frank: Dave Tippett (PHO) -- Here's a guy who, in his first season as head coach, turned a team around in the face of constant bankruptcy talks, sellers, buyers, moving in, moving out, etc. That alone is enough of a distraction for any coach or player. To keep his team on track throughout all that AND get them into the playoffs is a feat that should not go unnoticed.
Justin: Dave Tippett (PHX) -- It's not even close. No other coach deserves this award, period. They were predicted to finish as low as 28th in the league, and now they're 4th in the very strong Western Conference. If anyone else wins this award, it's meaningless. Other nominees (because there have to be three) -- Lindy Ruff, Joe Sacco
Hart
Is awarded annually to the "player adjudged most valuable to his team".
Hooks: Sidney Crosby (PIT) -- Am I biased? Sure. Crosby's numbers speak for themselves: t-1st in the league in goals, t-2nd in points, 1st in total faceoffs taken, 11th in faceoff percentage (with at least 800 draws), 1st in shootouts. How's that for value? Crosby's the league's most important player, has the brighest spotlight on him and he's come through every night. The award goes to the player with the most value, and it's hard to imagine any player adding more to a team than Crosby has, though there certainly are no shortage of worthy candidates (like Ovechkin, H. Sedin, Miller, Bryzgalov)
Frank: Sidney Crosby (PIT) -- I may be a Pens homer for giving him the nod, but I'd also be an idiot if I didn't. I may be a lot of things, but I'm no idiot.
Justin: Tomas Vokoun (FLA) -- I hinted around in some comment threads that my Hart pick was likely to be someone who isn't on most people's radar, and now you see why I said that. Truly the only reason that Florida was even in the playoff hunt this year at all let alone clear into April, Vokoun _defined_ the phrase "most valuable to his team" this season. Going by GVT, Vokoun had a higher percentage of his team's total GVT (31.2%) than any other player in the league, and it wasn't at all close. Without Vokoun, Florida is the worst team in the league. Other nominees (keeping in mind my criteria) -- Steven Stamkos, Dustin Penner
Agree...Disagree? Feel free to tell us what we got right and how you would have done it differently.
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Just a note: Doughty plays for the Kings, not San Jose.
Most of these picks were good, and most were correct imo
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
Whoops, thanks for the correction. We knew that, of course just hard to keep it altogther.
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by Hooks Orpik on Apr 13, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
two things
First, Tomas Holmstrom for Masterton is a bit of a joke.
Second, there’s no way Lindy Ruff should be in the Jack Adams conversation before Barry Trotz. Ruff has Ryan Miller and considerably better forwards to work with, yet Trotz still got the boys to 100 points. One less than Pittsburgh, who have Sid and Geno, I’d add.
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I think Trotz would have been my pick if not for the year in Phoenix.
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by Hooks Orpik on Apr 13, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt Tippett is the winner, I’d vote for him. I was just contesting Justin’s mention of Ruff.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy Howard for the Calder
The Red Wings aren’t in the playoffs without the kid. Yeah, they picked up steam when all the pieces came back from injuries, etc, but they’re not in a position to make a run if we’d had to depend on Chris Osgood through the first 4 months of the season. I’m not suggesting he deserves the Vezina by any stretch, but the chatter that puts his name in that discussion isn’t at all far fetched.
Where are you guys getting your nominees from, anyway? I didn’t think the nominees were announced until later in the playoffs?
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Follow-up Question:
I have this vague memory that when they release the award “nominees” they’re really just announcing the top three vote-getters in each category, and keeping the winner a secret. Is that correct, or do they have a second round of voting?
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They do show the results….It’s always funny to see which players get 1 odd third place votes.
I believe they just vote for a 1st place, 2nd place and 3rd place for each award (though some award you have to go to 5th place) and then tally accordingly.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
by Hooks Orpik on Apr 13, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Where are you guys getting your nominees from, anyway? I didn’t think the nominees were announced until later in the playoffs?
Just making up our own.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
by Hooks Orpik on Apr 13, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This is nitpicking, but based on his higher goal total, Sid technically finished 2nd in scoring, not tied for 2nd.
Good picks, guys. Just for the record, this is who you would vote for, not who you think will actually win, right?
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
Whoever had fewer games played I thought was the first tie-breaker.
Regardless, they had the sme amount of points, so they tie. In my books, anyways.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
by Hooks Orpik on Apr 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the winners you guys have. But For Dustin Penner’s name to even get mentioned on this page is insane. Even with Penner on his team EDM finished last in the league. How valuable can he be? Take him off, they still finish last in the league. If the Panthers made the playoffs then I could see Vokoun for MVP. In my opinion he’s in the top 5 goalies in the league.
When I first saw “Adams” I thought it would be a fake award that you made up in honor of Craig Adams. But it’s real!
hahaha:) … The “Adams” award – awarded to the best player who played all 82 regular season games without scoring a goal ;)))
You have to see it for yourself...
just checked… and ain’t that a surprise… Craig Adams is our only nominee and the obvious winner of this award
You have to see it for yourself...
Rare list alert! Forwards who play at least 70 games in a season without scoring a goal:
- Craig Adams, 09-10
- Bill Muckalt, 01-02
- Rob Ray, 98-99
- Ken Baumgartner, 97-98
- Jim Cummins, 97-98
- Dave Brown, 92-93
- Mick Vukota, 91-92
- Dave Brown, 88-89
- Benny Woit, 53-54
Two of these players, Cummins and Brown (88-89), were traded during their oh-fer seasons. In particular, Brown’s trade was important: it sent Brown, Corey Foster, and Jari Kurri to Philadelphia for Craig Fisher, Scott Mellanby, and Craig Berube.
Most of the players on this list were high PIM guys, but Adams, Muckalt, Brown’s second time, and Woit were all campaigns with less than 80 PIM.
First of all, I would like to predict that Jordan Staal will not win the Selke award. He might deserve it, but I don’t think he’ll win it. (Marleau might win it, but doesn’t deserve it.)
Secondly, Sid won’t win the Hart. I think he definitely deserves it this season, but I suspect NHL mediaheads will go for Ovie.
Finally, Martin St. Louis can’t win the Lady Byng because he’s too short. Take that, Marty!
I think St. Louis has won it in the past. But I think Datsyuk is a lock. I mean, 4 years in a row.
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by red army line on Apr 13, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This is great
Frank: Sidney Crosby (PIT) — I may be a Pens homer for giving him the nod, but I’d also be an idiot if I didn’t. I may be a lot of things, but I’m no idiot.
hooks, you didn’t go with staal for selke? it’s okay…i’m just gonna sit over here. i just got somethin’ in my eye, is all. (i kid, i kid…kinda.)
STAAL FOR SELKE. SIDNEY FOR EVERY OTHER ONE.
He won’t get my vote until he gets his faceoff percentage above 50%. He’s good enough positionally and on the PK, but he needs to be better in the circles.
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by katielynn906 on Apr 13, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hart
… if you really stick to the “most valuable player” definition I think we’ll be in for some surprise winners here (e.g. Dustin Penner), so Justin has a good point, but I still think for some year running it’s down to OV vs. Sid.
And this year it’s gotta be Sid… it’s just too obvious… especially given the mediocre (at times) team effort that the Pens showed and the Caps kept rolling even without Ovechkin.
You have to see it for yourself...
I made a note in my e-mail to Hooks that I’m going to reprint here, because I think it’s important:
Side note for Hart: If you want to limit this award as it typically is by the voters to forwards who play for playoff teams because defensemen have the Norris and goalies have the Vezina, and nobody is valuable [enough] on a team that doesn’t make the postseason, my winner would be Crosby, with Henrik Sedin and Ovechkin much more conventionally following behind, in that order.
I can understand why he left that out for length, but it bears mentioning that I wasn’t entirely out of my mind when I wrote that. I should also mention that between Sid, 8, and Henrik Sedin, the criterion I used put Sid out in front of that race by a significant margin.
Vokoun for Hart?
I really think to be considered for the Hart, the team must actually accomplish something as a result of the player’s efforts. The Panthers sadly, did worse this year than they have in a long while.
If the Panthers had made the playoffs, Vokoun should win it hands down. He was undeniably the best player for that team all year. Despite the losing record, Vokoun had some of the best stats for goaltenders all year.
Sid all the way.
The Panthers allow tons of shots, can’t score goals, and even lost JBow, Leopold, and Booth. Vokoun is an elite goalie and kept them in there.
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by red army line on Apr 13, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think there’s a goalie in history who could have lifted the Panthers to the playoffs.
I mean, think of it. You get drafted (9th round) to a team that won a Stanley Cup as recently as a year ago. You get yanked away from that team in an expansion draft to be the #1on that terrible team. You decide to be loyal and stick with them, and just when they’re starting to build a team around you, you get shipped off to another crap team. Why should we penalize him for that kind of thing?
Shouldn’t penalize him, but I don’t think that makes him the league’s MVP.
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To everyone grumbling after the last Caps game....
As I was leaving the Igloo after the last Caps game, I heard grumbling (and not for the first time) that Shero should have picked Backstrom instead of Staal in the 2006 draft.
Backstrom is one of the most underrated players in the NHL and a very gifted offensive center, BUT he will never be the defensive player that Staal is. In hindsight, I would pick Jordan again every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I don’t agree with that reasoning? Why? You could probably trade Backstrom for Staal and a mid round pick and get more value. I really don’t understand why you wouldn’t take the best player available.
Keep Staal, we keep Backstrom.
Frank: Holmstrom over Theodore? Could you explain further? I mean, lots of players have had injuries and such, right? I would’ve put Erik Johnson ahead of Holmstrom, in the same category of “returning from injury.”
I do like your reasoning on Green however. ;) I really don’t think he has a peer offensively, by the way. Plays like a 4th forward at a moment’s notice, or like a traditional defenseman as well.
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by red army line on Apr 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand why you wouldn’t take the best player available.
I think that’s what Shero was trying to do. And for that, he’s got a guy who’s played (and played well) from Day 1 in the NHL, is a 50 point a year guy with a ceiling that he’ll likely get to and plays a Selke worthy game.
Toews or Backstrom are better skill players (Kessel too) but when you have Malkin and Crosby, you don’t need an offensive center, even if Backstrom and Toews have well-rounded games. The Pens got exactly what they needed: size, a big body, defensive responsibility and an all-around heck of a player.
Fit wise, Staal was the perfect choice.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
And also an iron man. Don’t forget iron man!
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And…iron man!
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
Besides, as F&B pointed out, would you rather have a Cup winner or a guy who gets more points?
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
You are bias and so am I but really?? Just so you know what you are missing out on you would pick Staal over the best Center in the league sans Crosby. Backstrom is actually a great defensive center, and actually has more blocked shots as well as more takeaways, more faceoffs won, less faceoffs lost, his +/- is almost double that of Staal . . . then there is that whole offensive part of the game, which as you mentioned he is very gifted at.
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by Lunatic Fringe on Apr 13, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Backstrom is a great player — defensive and otherwise.
But just to nitpick at your argument a little: +/- really needs to be considered relative to the rest of the player’s team. There are lots of ways to look at it, including this one: J-Staal is a +19 on a team that finished the season +20; Backstrom is a +37 on a team that finished +85. +37 is great, and +85 is ridonculous, but I’m inclined to say that the sod farmer’s +19 is a more impressive accomplishment in the +/- category given the status of the rest of the Pens.
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by PopRocks on Apr 13, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I’m with the Caps fans on this one. Staal is great, and fits our team perfectly but I don’t think he is better then Backstrom. I think offensively, Backstrom is the best center in the league after Crosby, and he can hold his own on defense as well. Pretty sure he plays quite a bit on the PK as well. I like Staal but Backstrom is a tremendous player.
by packallday555 on Apr 13, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking a little more about the Backstrom-Staal debate, and I’m curious to know whether Backstrom plays on the PK. If so, what do we make of the poor Washington PK%? And if not, I’m not sure we can call Backstrom a defensive forward.
Granted, PK% is a special-teams stat, but Staal is an integral part of the Pens’ fairly respectable PK, and we see his defensive prowess quite clearly during PK situations. If FO% counts against Staal, then surely PK% counts against Backstrom.
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And on FO%, 49.9 to 48.3, not exactly a huge difference.
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
Also, I don’t really know the guy, but I doubt Backstrom would be happy playing third line center with Matt Cooke and TK. Staal embraces this role and that is the difference in my opinion. He could easily be a #1 or #2 center on a slew of other teams. Besides, we don’t need any Swedes unless their last name is Samuelsson.
There’s also way too many variables to argue if one is better than the other. Shero picked the one we needed and that’s all that matters.
by puckhead45_82 on Apr 13, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Picks
Hart – Crosby —>> its really not close
Selke – Datsyuk —>> agree w/ Hooks on Staal and FO%
Calder – Myers
Adams – Tippett
Vezina – Miller
Byng – who cares?
Masterton – Theodore
Norris – Doughty —>> also not close. this kid is amazing. O AND D.
When do these awards get announced? I’m kind surprised Bryzgalov (sp?) wasn’t mentioned by any of you guys for the Hart. He was really, really valuable to the Coyotes as they didn’t provide much offensive help for him. I still think Crosby should win the award though. Just imagine where we might be had Crosby not scored 51 goals for us..
Awards won’t be known until after the playoffs have ended.
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
When will we know the nominees?
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Probably in a week or so.
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If they follow the same schedule as last year.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t pick Bryzgalov because he had more help than you’d think…or at least fewer really bad players weighing him down. Sid had less help, actually, but only by a little.
I’m not nearly the analyst that some of you are (unless I’m at work, where I get paid to do it), but I looked at the numbers a couple of days ago and if I’m remembering correctly, Bryz’s backup actually had better SV% and GAA. Granted, it was only in 13 starts, but still kind of supports what you’re saying that there’s more to that team than a good goalie.
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 13, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t necessarily think that LaBarbera could sustain that kind of play over the whole season, though. The thing is, goalies tend to be net zeros for their team. They don’t help, but they don’t really hurt either. But that’s over the course of many seasons. During a single season, you can have performances that are extremely valuable, like Miller’s, Nabokov’s, or Bryzgalov’s this year.
A good example is LaBarbera, who’s been shipped all over the Western Division at a young age, because he’s really not the goalie his numbers looked like this year. Another example would be our own, Alex’s favorite, Pechurskiy. How many people really think that he’s as good as those other goalies I mentioned earlier in the post? But he played 0.6 games this year and had a GVT of 0.3, so if he played 60 games, that projects to 30 GVT, which is a huge number.
To me it says the Coyotes had a goalie in net each game and it didn’t make much difference who it was.
The gulf between Miller and Lalime, on the other hand, appeared to be a bit wider, thus, more valuable to his team.
16 wins to go
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Matt Cooke.
Here are mine: Calder: Tuukka (Bias… Yeah)
Norris: Kieth
Vezina: Miller
Lady Bing: St.Louis
Hart: Ovechkin
Adams: Tippet
Masterton: I’ll go with Theodore, but I’m hoping Recchi gets it. Again, bias.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 13, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
Tuukka is a good goalie. I just fear he is the next Steve Mason. the Bruins overused him this season. I would have liked to see Thomas more than I did.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna change my Calder to Kane: D
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 13, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Norris: Doughty
Vezina: Miller
Byng: St.Louis
Hart: Crosby
Adams: Tippet
Calder: Howard
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Doughty’s a good pick.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 13, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The one I feel the most strongly about, besides Sid, is Howard. I’m afraid that Myers will win because he’s had the most hype all season. Howard was thrown into the fire of the Stanley Cup Runners Up in 10th place, took veteran Osgood’s spot, and carried them all the way to the 5th place and probably will carry them through a few more playoff series.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
Howard has generated a lot of buzz lately, though. It might be close. I’m sorry that Duchene isn’t in the conversation — not because I think he deserves the award more than Myers, say, but I’ve been really impressed with his play.
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over. Go Pens!
Duchene and Howard are good picks, but a defenseman who plays that well in all facets of the game like Myers has is significantly more valuable than a F or G.
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