The blue line's future is bright, but we have to be patient
I've never consider myself one a master of the art of patience. I will bypass a movie if the line is too long no matter how badly I want to see it, I will drive on the shoulder (no more than an exit) if it means I can get to my exit quick and I can will devour a sandwich in less than two minutes, even though I have an hour to spare on my lunch break. This trait unfortunately carries over to my (lack of) patience with the younger guys on a team who have yet to find their way. Deep down I know the future is bright, but I just have zero patience. Today the emphasis is on the blue line, mainly the likes of newly re-signed (or is it extended?) defenseman Kris Letang and his cohort Alex Goligoski.
Kris Krossin make ya...
When the news broke of Letang's signing the other day, part of me was happy. Seriously. I may not be one to tout his play this past season, but I think many of us have already discussed some of the upsides. For one thing, his defensive edge has improved dramatically. It's almost like his lack of offense has triggered him off to take out frustration by playing a more physical game. I'll take it. His shots may still sail 90 miles over/wide of the net, but I think with time he's going to really improve into a great two-way defensive guy. Plus, and this may be something that is often overlooked with a lot of players, but his positioning on the blue line has been pretty solid. On the downside, the same cannot be said of his defense from time to time, but I think when he looks at some tape during this offseason he'll notice that as well. The real work comes in trying to improve on that.
As harsh a reality as it may be, Sergei Gonchar is not immortal. Hooks touched upon that earlier this week. It's sad but true. With the recent signing of Letang, all indications would suggest Gonch is gone after this season. You may make a formidable case by presenting the relation to other veteran defensemen like Nik Lidstrom (but not Chris Chelios, God forbid), but I think I'd rather my team bank more on the future in guys like Kris Letang and Alex Goligoski instead of hanging on to something that just might not be there anymore in a guy like Gonchar. The risk is too great, especially for a team that is looking to make continuous runs for the Cup. That doesn't mean I'd bash re-signing him, but a lot has to do with ponying up the dough that could possibly be spent elsewhere. Amount pending of course.
Speaking of GoGo, I think there is a lot of room for improvement on his end. I speak specifically on his defensive side, whereby the mere expense of $5 could replace his presence on the ice with an orange cone and be just as effective. But if we're using Letang as a model for development (which in this case, I am), then his defensive game will come with time. Again, it's that whole patience thing. It's safe to say that expectations were a bit high for GoGo in his first full season with the club. Next season may very well be the first real test for him in what will likely be a Gonchar-less Pens team.
Now when it comes to offense, well, there's some -- hesitation. How many times have you seen Goligoski with the puck on his blade in the offensive zone, a clear shot at the net and then...he passes. Either that, or he takes a page from the Book of Letang and shoots it wide. It may have something to do with confidence, but I can almost guarantee skill is not a concern. He has the ability to make things happen. He just has to build up that faith in his shot.
And so we look toward the future of the blue line - one that will sport the likes of two young defensemen trying to find their way in an offensive system that relies on...well, their offense. It won't come easy, but there may very well be a high reward at the end (again). We just need a little patience.
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Orange traffic cone......that's rough, but funny..
Regardless, am I the only one who has noticed that GoGo has gotten more comfy playing point on power plays? I know that the power play numbers have slumped at times (please, only one person point out my gross understatement) but it just seems that he is starting to get a better feel for where the puck needs to go. And as long as the shots he does take are blasts to the net that can create rebound opportunities and not souvenirs, he should continue to improve as a point.
I think Gogo has good Powerplay instincts. One of his problems (and this is purely speculation), is that right when he gets the puck he seems to think “how can I get this back to Sid.” If Sid is covered, Gogo is basically screwed because he tries to wait for Sid to be open, then by that time it is too late to get a decent shot off.
dealing with that's easy
I think when he gets more PT next to Sid & Geno… he’ll get used to the idea that he doesn’t need to always give the puck to the two of them…
I think it boils down to experience…
Also I wanna be the one to point out gopens44’s gross understatement… It always baffles me how we can have Sid, Geno, Staal, Sarge and 2 young defensemen with “powerplay sensibilities” and still stink so badly with the man advantage…
At first I was a little upset with how much Letang got, but as I thought about it, I think it is the right move.
Puck-moving d-man who skate like Letang aren’t exactly a dime a dozen in the NHL. The most underrated aspect of a defenseman’s game is his ability to move the puck – tape to tape – out of the zone. People look for D-men who can score or D-man who can hit, but give me a puck-moving defenseman over either one of those any day.
but a lot has to do with ponying up the dough that could possibly be spent elsewhere.
Interesting choice of words. It really emphasizes the sacrifices that would have to be made elsewhere to re-sign Gonch.
One thing that is not mentioned here is coaching. Do we think we have the right guy(s) needed to mold the young talent that we have? Maybe we need to bring someone in next year who is more of a defensive specialist.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions
Neither Letang or Gogo can do what Gonch does in the PP at this point. Alsoneither one has the shooting or passing of Gonch. Do they have the talent to get there, yes. They certainly are the future of the team in defense. I agree with the fact that at some point, Gonchar will depart, either retire or go earlier to another team. His reported long term demands are too high of a price for the Pens to pay to somebody his age, but may no mistakes, without him at the point the PP is not the same. Letang only has 4 goals, and is not lack of trying, he has more shots than ever before, but his shots are not where they should be yet. Hopefully Gonch will reconsider after the season and stay another couple years till Kris and Gogo fully mature into great stars.
TSN recently ranked the Pens as the #2 group of defensemen in the NHL.
But they also had Washington as #1, so take that for what it’s worth.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
I saw that yesterday and thought it was a little insane! I think their metric had a lot more to do with offense than defense (but I didn’t spend a lot of time figuring it out).
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over. Go Pens!
is this ridiculous or what? (having Washington as #1 group of defensemen)
You have to see it for yourself...
Probably, yeah. I’m planning on doing a series of posts after the season is up, though, looking at a bunch of “so who really deserves what awards” thing, and I’m sure teams will come into play.
looking forward to that...
Although I look down on any article that states the Caps are better than us in anything…
I’m not even going to make any guesses how that series will run. I know I might pull a Nationwide World’s Best Spokesperson In The World (“Guys! I just gagged!”) if their D squad somehow does pull ahead of everyone else, though.
That said...
I also plan to add James Mirtle’s “Rod Langway Award” winner for the best defensive defenseman that doesn’t take offensive ability into account (much like a reverse Selke, although the voters tend to throw whatever names they think up first out there for that award. It hasn’t actually meant much in a long time).
Well, Mike Green is by far the Norris Trophy winner—He’s the greatest defenseman ever to star in a GEICO commercial. Good thing neither TSN nor cavemen make the call on the Norris.
Yeah, I don’t think that’s what I said. :p
You have to keep in mind that most of the writers are hockey traditionalists. They don’t really think about the game anymore so much as listen to their own echo chamber of who’s the best. They’ll see Green’s 73 points and his +35 (hey, that’s a defensive measure, right?…right?) and call it a day, provided that they haven’t had Nik Lidstrom penned into the #1 slot since the first of October.
Keep in mind, too, that Canada didn’t need a Mike Green type player. It’s entirely possible that Yzerman skipped over Green not because he thought Green wasn’t good enough, but because he wanted someone more capable on the back end.
You could make a case that a Norris defenseman must be a stalwart in his own end. I’d say not necessarily, if his O is good enough.
All that said, Green’s not currently my pick for Norris, but he’s in my top 3.
I hear you. and i agree w/ you about the writers—mostly. are they really that UNsavvy when it comes to the game they follow?
on Yzerman…yes, I know that’s not what you said!
And he doesn’t vote for the Norris, but not even putting Green on the team is pretty damning in my opinion.
How can he be best in the league if he’s not even in the Top 6 in Canada—acc. to a group headed by Stevie Y?
so, who is YOUR pick for Norris?
If I could jump in…
Personally I don’t mind the Mike Green nod, even if it does seem a bit odd to award him the Norris in light of now making Team Canada. However, I also like the chances for Dan Boyle. Although I think the one thing potentially not working in Boyle’s favor (besides his points in comparison to Green’s) is his +/-. This could, of course, be a nonfactor if you consider that +/- was not a factor in 29 of his 56 points, since they came on the power play. But when you compare that to Green’s 34 PPP, 73 points and a +/- of +35, I find it really hard to argue against his case.
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Norris Trophy
“The James Norris Memorial Trophy is awarded annually to the National Hockey League’s top “defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position.”
Mike Green does NOT demonstrate the “greatest all-round ability in the position.”
My vote…though I know he has no chance b/c he’s too young/not on the radar of these decrepit writer/voters yet, is Drew Doughty. He’s 2nd in the league in goals (to Green), he’s a +18 (2nd on the Kings — Green is 4th on the Caps), he has 9 PPG (same as Green), they play the same # of minutes per game (25), BUT…Doughty is superior defensively.
And…Doughty DID play for Team Canada.
Good point and solid pick. I suppose the all-around ability does kinda put the kabash on Green. And I suppose Doughty is a solid pick, if not a formidable contender, against Boyle.
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If I may jump in...
Keith used to be my pick. But since the Olympic break, Keith has struggled (relatively) while Green has been, I think it’s safe to say, great in every facet of the game (even defensively. And no, that’s not relatively speaking). So, I think Keith is still the most deserving, but Green is making a strong case for himself.
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by red army line on Apr 4, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Patience is the key with these two specifically. In fact, just a couple days ago I remember being really impatient, you know… when there was a specific 11 minutes of time where GoGo kinda just stood around with the puck in his possession, waiting for the Red Sea to miraculously open in front of him. I wasn’t patient then, I was yelling SHOOTTTTTTTT
Yeah, Frank. I remember when you demolished that slice of pizza at the rest stop on the way to Montreal in like four seconds.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently they’re deleting all the comments to that post. Gee, can’t take the heat, huh?
At least if someone disagrees with me, which is often, I don’t go and do that.
Same here. I let the hate fly as long as it’s within Pensburgh guidelines. They might as well just wait it out and delete them all at once, if that’s their prerogative.
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Tell me about it…personal experience with that.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 3, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here. But part of me can admire the fact they don’t refrain from jobbin even fellow Pens fans. They don’t do it to the extent of another team and likely won’t unleash their commenters on another Penguins site, so that’s at least a plus.
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I'm okay with resigning Gonch
Only short-term though. I think he has one or two years left in him.
Even if resigning him is a spectacular failure, there will definitely be teams in the market for puck moving defencemen like him during the trade deadline.
Although I think the combination of Kris & Goose and eventually replace Sarge’s skillset.
How do you give Gonch more than 1 year?
He wants several mill per year. How does Shero give him anything other than a 1-year deal?
With him being 36 y.o. (when any new K would be signed), the team is on the hook for his cap hit even if he suffers a career ending injury. With how close the Pens are to the cap ALL THE TIME, and with how competitive the league is, IF something were to happen to Gonchar next year and he was on a 2-yr or 3-yr deal, Shero would be out $3M/year for the next several years.
It wouldn’t single-handedly knock the team out of Cup contention, but it would be extremely damaging.
If I’m Shero, I give him whatever I can afford — up to the cap - but I insist on a 1-year deal. If he plays well and he stays healthy, he can be re-signed again-on another 1-year deal.
Agreed
Sorry… I assumed that short term covered that one year…
Anything more than that’s really dumb… If Sarge insists on a multi-year, let some bottom dweller shell out that cash for him… We won’t be cripped if we lose Sarge even though I would love to keep him in a Pens uniform.
If he suffers a career-ending injury, can’t the Pens just put him on LTIR and ask him to announce retirement when his contract is up?
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