Phoenix vs. Detroit and what it could mean for Pittsburgh
Remarkably, for a team not given much chance of defeating the Red Wings in their first round matchup, the Coyotes have forced a seventh game in their series. It seems that one factor that may be influencing their good fortune so far is our old friend, the seventh dressed defenseman.
In their case, Mathieu Schneider just returned from injury and head coach Dave Tippett used seven defensemen to limit his minutes. However, the way Tippett limited his minutes is the interesting part. Tippett employed Schneider, essentially, only on the power play. It also shored up their defense a bit, allowing only 1 important goal (the second Detroit goal was in garbage time toward the end of the game). He may be 40 years old and not quick enough to handle a regular defensive shift, but Schneider can still run a power play.
Sound familiar?
We've had numerous complaints that Sergei Gonchar must be hurt, or maybe he's finally wearing down, or perhaps the end of the road is near for him because he seems to have lost whatever defensive ability he once had. Unfortunately, even though we perceive that something is wrong, we still understand that he's too important to the success of the team's power play to simply bench him and hope for the best.
So, apropos of nothing, here's some unsolicited advice for Mr. Bylsma: copy the likely Adams Trophy winner shamelessly.
Let's try this for lines, assuming that Tyler Kennedy and Jordan Leopold come back soon:
| Kunitz | Crosby | Guerin |
| Dupuis | Malkin | Talbot |
| Cooke | Staal | (Kennedy) |
| Rupp |
Adams |
| Orpik | Letang |
| Eaton | Goligoski |
| McKee | (Leopold) |
| Gonchar | |
Considering we know that Bylsma regularly inserts Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin into the fourth line anyway, the only problems I can see with this is what to do in the absence of Kennedy and Leopold. Ruslan Fedotenko is still available, and so I'd use him in the absence of Kennedy. For Leopold, it's not the same type of player, but Ben Lovejoy is on the roster and certainly did not look out of place in his short time in the NHL earlier this season.
Either way, the point is to use Gonchar sparingly at even strength, almost never on the penalty kill, and constantly, if possible, on the power play. You're shedding a forward in the process, but that forward isn't going to be terribly valuable anyway other than as someone who will eat a few minutes for you. I suspect that this would be a more efficient lineup for the power play while also being a stronger defensive unit to avoid more unnecessary nonsense happening in front of Marc-Andre Fleury.
What are your thoughts?
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He could easily be where Talbot is, bumping him down to the 4th line with Rupp and scratching Adams. If he keeps playing the way he did in Game 5, then I don’t have any problem with his being in the lineup. Up to that point though, and Game 4, he looked like a deer in headlights.
I think Ponikarovsky’s getting on track. Have to remember this is his first taste of post-lockout playoff hockey, hard to jump right in against a team in Ottawa (many players with a lot of playoff experience) but I think Poni’s getting there.
There’s going to be decisions to be made for how Talbot/Dupuis still get quality minutes with one of the big boys, but that’s a flexible situation. Hopefully, anyways.
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by Hooks Orpik on Apr 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s a very interesting idea, but do we want to take a +7 guy out of our even strength line-up? And while Bylsma may give Sid & Geno the occasional extra shift with the 4th line, do we want that to be a necessity? Is there any concern of wearing those guys out a little bit so early in the playoffs?
It strikes as a pretty startling move considering we just finished a series that could have easily ended in 4 games were it not for some bad bounces in game 1 and epic goaltending in game 5.
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 26, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, it’d be a startling move, but keep in mind that the Penguins used it just last year.
I don’t know that it’s the right move for this team (as Alighieri said), but it struck me as an interesting idea that Tippett had, to use the 18th skater as a PP-only guy, and I wondered what people thought of putting that into effect here.
Part of me thinks it’s just crazy enough to work. Part of me thinks, “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!” :)
Like the idea
But with our personnel this year it might be tough. If we had another 2-way forward like Staal I’d be okay with it but putting so much time on Sid & Geno so early’s gonna hurt us in the long run.
Besides, you forget that Phoenix doesn’t have our talent in their personnel. To them, Schneider’s more valuable than a 12th forward.
by Alighieri on Apr 26, 2010 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just a funny thought, but if Washington winds up dropping that series, Pittsburgh will be the only Top 5 team remaining in the East. And yet, for some reason, I’m not entirely comforted by that.
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You might want to start getting comfortable with it. Take it out for a test drive tomorrow, see how it feels. You might just like it.
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 26, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My worry is that we end up with all these upstart teams in the mix who are riding momentum and coming into the next round with the confidence of having beat a team they were supposed to lose to. At least, that would certainly be the case with Montreal — and we’d be playing them (I’m so very sad that Buffalo lost). Momentum/confidence doesn’t beat skill, but it can take a healthy chunk out of it.
Leafs fan living large in the Pitt and pretending like the drought is over. Go Pens!
Add that to how the pens are notoriously horrible starters and we’ll have yet another series that should’ve ended a game or two earlier.
by Alighieri on Apr 26, 2010 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Give me the chance at seeing the top three seeds in the East ousted in the first round. I’d only be worried if it was the top four seeds that were sent packing.
I suppose we’d rather have the Devils (0-6 regular season) or Caps (0-2-2 regular season, took us to 7 last year) still in it? I can only imagine how worried this crowd would be if we were facing Jersey in the 2nd round.
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 26, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
All top4 seeds getting ousted makes for a fun story but a crappy second round.
Besides, I think you can throw the regular season form book out the window when the playoffs start. I do not fear NJ (their form in r1) nor the Caps (we proved last year that we can beat them).
Say what you want but the playoffs are a completely different animal.
by Alighieri on Apr 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You totally lost me on this one.
Boston-Philly, Pittsburgh-Montreal or Washington-Philly, Pittsburgh-Boston….what’s crappy about that?
Of course playoffs are different, but you seem to be saying the bottom seeds are to be more feared (not that we fear anyone, but relatively speaking) than the top seeds because they had a better first round. But the alternative is that the top seeds could have all won, so then we’d be facing better teams who also played well in the first round. You have not convinced me that we would be better off having the Devils and Caps advance as opposed to Habs and Numbnuts (Philly). Look at last year. I’m sure Carolina was extremely confident after upsetting NJ and Boston. How’d that work out for them against the Pens?
I frankly don’t care who we play, but I have noticed a trend in my short time here that no matter what happens, some people will find a reason to be worried about it. Having all of the higher ranked teams lose simply should not be a concern for us, but if that’s what you want to fret about, by all means go ahead.
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 27, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the curse of being a fan of Pittsburgh sports: you can easily manufacture reasons to be worried over just about anything!
It’s a talent I have yet to master. Must try harder!
I am disappointed that despite a few early stumbles, the top seeds out West are all advancing (DET-PHX 4-5 matchup doesn’t really matter who moves on, they’d still beat out the Pens for home ice). At least now I know to stop looking at Pens home game 4 tickets for the Cup finals. I just have to figure out if I need to get home game 2 or 3 tickets to ensure being at the last game ever at the Igloo.
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And all this time I thought it was just me.
by Alighieri on Apr 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s good that you’re there to keep people like me at least somewhat grounded :-)
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see if this one picks a fight with AlexStitch
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what we should be looking at is what a game 7 will mean for the pens. particularly if the habs win. home ice for the remainder, and never midn teams that have not impressed to this point.
and one day washington will learn in the playoffs, you only go as far as your d and goalie can take you….
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by oldtimehockey09 on Apr 26, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
No Poni?
Obviously Sid, Geno, Staal, Guerin, Kunitz, Dupes, Adams, Cooke, Kennedy are not scratches. That leaves Talbot and Rupp. I’d say scratch Talbot out of that group, but I wouldn’t want to leave any forward out. I’d feel better scratching Eaton, but I don’t like that idea, either. If Kennedy is not ready but Leopold is, I think going 7 D, putting Dupes in Kennedy’s spot, Poni in Dupe’s spot is the best way to go.
Bring it on Pittsburgh!!!
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 26, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Not if Jaroslav Halak has anything to do with it.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
by Hooks Orpik on Apr 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be fun.
Does anyone really think Washington will lose?
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to call after a game like tonight’s. Everyone’s been asking that since the playoffs started, and yet here they are with a Game 7 on their hands. I think they’ll get past Halak, but I’m not going to count the Habs out just yet.
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Why not?
It is a one game season. USA beat Russia in 1980. This would be much less an upset. I’d probably put odds at 2/1 Caps which means 33% of the time Montreal wins. More than enough odds to believe we could see them come next round. We will most likely see Boston.
I didn’t think they’d lose tonight. You were probably occupied but Halak was in a zone not often seen with 53 saves (several excellent ones) on 54 shots. If he can do that again, why can’t Montreal win?
But putting on that performance again, two days later in a hostile DC environment against a very strong Washington team is much easier said than done.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
by Hooks Orpik on Apr 27, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Halak was sick.
If I where you, I would not want to play Montreal right now. Though the Bruins are no gimmie themselves
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 27, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
what pittsburgh has and washington doesn’t
goaltending
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by oldtimehockey09 on Apr 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Bruins have goaltending too. Enough to shut down the Pens
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Rask, Halak, looks like we’ll face a hot goalie either way.
12 wins to go.
Let's go Pens!
by PensAreYourDaddy on Apr 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
as the self-appointed, resident appreciator of physical qualities in hockey players, i must disagree on the rask front. however, halak is a contender.
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by katielynn906 on Apr 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ricci takes the gold in the fugly category. Brind’Amour is somewhere in the Top 3 as well.
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yeah… that description is sadly accurate.
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by katielynn906 on Apr 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible idea
Gonch was a +7 in the Ottawa series (ironically +7 on the road and +0 at home), and although it does seem that he’s a defensive liability out there at times they’re not gonna sit him (and only play PP) as long as he can play.
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Keep Poni in that guy is just waiting to break free, we have to remember he has only been with us for a little while let him and Geno keep working together and i guarantee they will start scoring.
a nice idea
I hadn’t thought about it but it is an interesting idea. I don’t know that I would employ it now but as the playoffs grind on it may make more and more sense.
I don't like it
I agree that Gonchar isn’t what he used to be defensively, but there’s a reason he’s leading the Pens in ice time. He gets a lot of PP time but Disco Dan obviously feels he can play 5 on 5, because he logs a ton of minutes. Which defensemen were on the ice for all 3 Sens goals in game 6? Not Gonchar, that would be Kris Letang and Mark Eaton.
Although I would not scratch a 12th forward, I think the 11 forward/7 defense works better in this way: play Jay McKee, but only on the PK. He is a beast on the PK, but can be somewhat of a traffic cone 5 on 5. But I’d still play 12/6 instead of this option.
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