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Who is Dan Hamhuis?

I recently made a fan post at On the Forecheck (SBN's Predators blog) asking them to tell me what they all thought of Dan Hamhuis. Since it's been a bit slow lately, I figured I'll re-post some of the comments for everyone here.

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Dan Hamhuis

Nashville Predators

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Dec 13, 1982


 

Commenter Sam Page had this to say:

Strengths: Excellent checking technique…good defensive player…decent speed, can move the puck…has consistently played on PK and against the opponent’s first lines from a young age…durable…disciplined

Weakness: Prone to the occasional awful turnover…not very vocal on the ice and works best with a better, more vocal partner…laughable shot accuracy from the point, will often miss the net by 15 feet.

When I asked him whether he thought Hamhuis was worth $4 million dollars a year, he said no.

Pwnicholson had this to say:

Very good defender, physical checker when he needs to be. Is capable of handling the puck well, but once every 40 times he touches the puck it will go straight from his stick to an opponents in your own zone then straight into the goal. The other 39 times he’ll make very solid plays though. Nothing amazing, but he’s responsible. Good PKer and can chew up minutes if needed. He’ll never stand out unless its a turnover or a big hip check, and you’ll love him or hate him depending on which came last. Otherwise he’s invisible – in a good way. Don’t look for offensive upside or creativity. Just good responsible hockey (except for that 1-in-40 turnover).

I also asked him how much he thought Dan Hamhuis was worth, and he said paying him more than $3.5 million per year doesn't sound reasonable.

Commenter cisar provided one of the more gloomy player summaries:

When he gets the puck on his stick and someone is coming toward him, he can’t make a decision and loses the space to make a pass or a move and then it is too late – turnover in own zone. He has a great hip check, which he rarely uses. Like what was said before in thread – don’t bet on his blue line shot. He generally doesn’t let people get behind him on d, but he can’t move people on the boards or away from the front of the net. He does not get angry, which can be plus or minus ( I take it as a minus ). His best asset is that he gets in the way, and usually keeps the star player from having an unimpeded route to the goal. Plays his best when there is no forecheck bearing down on him. I think he is worth $1.75 -$2.4 million a year, and I am glad we traded him. He will never be first line d. He could be the weak one on 2nd line d.

And finally, the main author at On the Forecheck, Chris Burton, provided me with the scouting report he sent to the guys over at Broad Street Hockey

In Dan Hamhuis, the Philadelphia Flyers have acquired a player who does just about everything well, but nothing great (well, except for that hip check…). ‘Hammer’ is the perfect example of team player. He’ll adapt to whatever situation he’s placed in – whether it be the power play, penalty kill, or minute cruncher.

 Perhaps the best way to describe his playing style is that of a combination between Predators Ryan Suter and Shea Weber. Hamhuis is lighter and less physical than Weber, but a better skater and passer. On the other hand, he’s a better hitter than Suter. Obviously, he’s not in the same category as the Predators’ defensive Olympians, and this comes back to being good at everything, but excelling at little.

His greatest strengths lie in the ability to break a stifling forecheck with his puck movement, or shut down an opposing team’s top player as he did many times with Nashville (Barry Trotz typically played Dan in the toughest spots, leaving Suter and Weber to carry the offensive load). Hamhuis’ weaknesses are in the incredibly frustrating mental lapse, such as a horrible defensive zone turnover or failure to communicate with his defensive partner, which was a common occurrence with Kevin Klein in 2009-10.

At his best, Dan Hamhuis is a top pairing defenseman with the ability to play 23:00 or more a night and in special teams situations. At worst, he’s a solid 2nd pair player prone to mental lapses. What you usually get is somewhere in between. Either way, the trade looks on the surface to be a Philadelphia win. Dan Hamhuis was/is the most coveted defenseman on the market in 2010, and with good reason.

Overall, it seems like Hamhuis is an above average player who's entering his prime, and he's definitely one of the better UFA defensemen on the market this year. If the Pens are able to ink him to a contract in the upcoming days, I'll take a deeper look into what Hamhuis offers.

Poll
What is the maximum yearly salary you think the Pens should offer Hamhuis?
$2M
23 votes
$2.5M
64 votes
$3M
156 votes
$3.5M
227 votes
$4M
192 votes
$4.5M
49 votes
$5M
22 votes
The Pens shouldn't sign Hamhuis
27 votes

760 votes | Poll has closed

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Since I didn’t mention it in the scouting report, I’ll say it here: were I Pittsburgh, I’d be willing to pay Hamhuis right around $4m +/-.

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by Chris Burton on Jun 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

in addition

I may be overly optimistic as to what Hamhuis brings, but it bears mentioning that basically because he’s not Shea Weber or Ryan Suter, he was fans’ whipping boy on the blueline, so take the extreme criticism with a grain of fault. Yeah, he’s got problems, but he’s not the Vesa Toskala of defensemen like some Preds fans would tell you.

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by Chris Burton on Jun 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dayum. That should read ‘grain of salt’, not ‘fault’. Journalism major, for the loss?

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by Chris Burton on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually like “take it with a grain of fault” -I’m bringing it back!

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by tehchico on Jun 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, well taken point. I don’t expect Hamhuis to be a Norris winner, but there’s some Pens’ fans who’d chase Goligoski out of the league if they could…So I get where you’re coming from.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Every team’s got one. Alex Semin, Goligoski, Joe Thornton, Roberto Luongo, etc.

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by Chris Burton on Jun 29, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a three way race between Flower/Gogo/Malkin.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still haven’t seen him play regularly, but the more I comb through his advanced stats, the more I like him.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i haven’t seen him much, either, GoPens!
other than owning Shea Weber on my fantasy team, there hasn’t been much reason to watch the Preds
(incl. that they seem to always beat the Pens)

but its a real plus that he’s regularly played against top line forwards
if he’s doing that AND winning 39 of 40 challenges that’s pretty damn good
Scuderi was pretty solid his last year with the Pens, but he wasn’t 39 of 40 good…

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. And he’s done this with below average teammates on the Preds and still kept a respectable adjusted +/-. And he’s their number one pk guy.

The only disappointing thing is that it seems like he comes from the “Kris Letang” school of shooting accuracy…

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, he could go to the brooks orpik school of shooting accuracy, but provide amazing defense and i’d be okay with it.

i like the pens, sidney crosby, jordan staal, and typing in capital letters.

by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m down with that plan.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’d like to see him paired w/ Letang

Letang’s shot will improve
last year, i think they said to him, “Look, don’t worry about scoring. Just let ’er rip.”
he’ll be better this year, and he can be the primary shooter in that pairing.

i’d like to see Orpik paired w/ Gonch or Leopold

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be concerned about a D-pairing where both guys have trouble with shot accuracy. I think it’s hurts ES play a lot when guys up top can’t get the shot on net or near the net. But it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

have faith in Tanger. (-;
and Hammer isn’t as bad as those fans were saying…

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I’m with you on that. Some seem too critical of him like we are with Fleury or Malkin. I think he’s got some solid numbers, and he should be a welcome addition to any team.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some seem too critical of him like we are with Fleury or Malkin.

Or like you are with Letang.

The Pens will be back.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s being too critical to point out Letang’s issues with his shot accuracy. And after I wrote this piece, I thought I clearly indicated that he’s got a ton of potential and that I’m glad he’ll be on our team for at least the next four years.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, GP, you’re very fair and balanced. I’m just a little overprotective of the kid sometimes.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 30, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just a little overprotective of the kid sometimes.

I’m the same way with Fleury, so it’s cool.

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by GoPens! on Jun 30, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are all kids if they are under 25…….
GP: that makes you a kid, too…………lol

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by PensFanInDenver on Jun 30, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

By that definition, yes, I am still a kid lol. Why doesn’t PAYD protect me??

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by GoPens! on Jun 30, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Work on your wrist shot and sign my jersey, then we’ll talk ;-)

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 30, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

::goes out to ice rink and googles “PAYD home address”::

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by GoPens! on Jun 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have no problem going around $4 million for 4 years.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

As would I. Defense is, by far, our number one weakness. Considering, that I think we would’ve at least gone onto the SCF had we won game 7, adding to our D corps will put us over the hump again.

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by PensFan8725 on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding To Our D

Anyone that can have to our D has my vote.

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by PensFanInDenver on Jun 30, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds like a reasonable deal. I’m assuming too that signing Hamhuis means not re-signing Gonchar, even if he comes back crying after July 1st.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. should have read down farther!
i could see the Pens going to 5 years.
might get the cap hit down a bit
and it would be a plus to have his contract staggered vis-a-vis Orpik and Letang
if its a 4-year deal, all 3 expire at the same time….

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having Orpik, Letang, Gogo, and Hamhuis all under contract for at least the next two years sounds really good to me.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roger that.
And Despres could be added next year, too.

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think Lovejoy and Engelland over Despres, but Simon will probably have a very bright future.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

this year, yes.
next year, Despres is projecting to make the team—something else to factor in to the D Corps equation.
(lots of variables…head exploding now just thinking about it)
that is the current thinking on Despres though — a lot could change though as no one knows his rate of development

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true. The more we’ve talked about this and Hamhuis, the more excited I’m getting about the prospect of signing him and then realizing in 2-3 years that the Pens have the model D corps for the NHL.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn’t go higher than 3.75m/yr. The more I read about him, the more one dimensional he sounds. Luckily it’s the one dimension we need here, but i wouldn’t feel comfortable locking him in at $4m/yr +. Remember how quickly Ryan Whitney turned into a scapegoat at that salary.

by AronV on Jun 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, come on now, I’m very thankful for what Ryan Whitney gave us.

Chris Kunitz and Eric Tangradi.

by Hatt the Moople on Jun 29, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah, zing!

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who would have imagined Whitney would be out of the NHL at this point in his career?

The Pens will be back.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not starting with EDM?!

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm … Can we really say that Edmonton is in the NHL?

Go, Shero, Go!!! And also Brian Burke.

by PopRocks on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooohhh ouch!

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if that’s what PAYD meant, then I will give him a lol.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, P-Rocks saw where I was going with that.

The Pens will be back.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

o snap.

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it really depends on term. The longer the term, lower the cap hit.

I was disappointed to see you didn’t have choices up to max (~$11m), so I voted honestly with $4m, assuming the deal won’t exceed 3 or so years in length. I don’t really think he’ll get much better at this point, especially if he’s already brought around his defensive game and doesn’t have much of an offensive game.

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by red army line on Jun 29, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think one of the things they are talking to Hamhuis about though is getting him more involved with the offense. How sweet would it be if players are thinking “Oh that’s Dan, we don’t have to worry about him shooting it” but then he starts getting his shot down.

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by AlexStitch on Jun 29, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of a mike rupp thing? every once in a blue moon, he’s an offensive powerhouse and no one ever really expected him to ever be one. (see: whenever we play the rangers.) i don’t even know if this makes sense.

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I see what you’re saying. But not even Mike Rupp status because Rupp is even so much more hot and cold when it comes to scoring, it’s not part of his game. I meant it like when he does shoot, which may not be often, it will be a threat.

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by AlexStitch on Jun 29, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, i see what you mean now. i’d be very okay with that.

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

One quick way to get his offensive game up is getting him significant pp time on a unit with Sid and Geno.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How will the PP operate without Gonch though? I’m sure they’ll find a way, but with significant growing pains I’d predict.

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by red army line on Jun 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would definitely struggle, which is why I’d be open to re-signing Gonch at around 3.5M per year, even though I think that’s more than he’s worth. But if we don’t have him, hopefully we’ll switch up our strategy a bit and take some of the pressure off of the point man. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking…

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pens still think he’s worth $5 million a year. According to Rossi (I know), about 3 other teams think he still is too.
I’m not too sure though.

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by PensFan8725 on Jun 29, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, in my mind, Gonch is a pp specialist and no more. His ES pts/60 are very close to Gogo and Letang, so he’s not really separating himself from the pack on that point. And 60% of his points this year were pp points, which is insane. Considering that he’s not good at defense, I have a hard time justifying paying him more than $3.75 million per year.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m with you on this buddy…

given his drop off defensively, I have a hard time seeing Sarge being more of a 3rd pairing or borderline second who sees only garbage time and PP…

Kinda like how the Coyotes did it by bringing in 7 D-men

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Gonch and Matheiu Schneider are a lot alike.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

but that made sense for Phoenix, not for us. In terms of relative talent, it was more advantageous for the Coyotes to pack an extra D-man. We have more talent spread out over 3 or 4 lines… Makes no sense waiting a roster spot just for a little bump on the PP

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes no sense waiting a roster spot just for a little bump on the PP

I think it’d be more than a little bump, but I do agree with you generally. I was more for bringing Gonch back to help with the pp when I thought he’d be reasonable and go for a $3.5M salary on a contender. But if he wants $5M and at least three years, he’s out of his mind in my book.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think a lot of us are wary of letting Gonch sign anything more than a one year contract… 2 maybe but for 5 mill over 3 years, I’d rather save the cash and go find me another PP specialist who can be plugged into our rotation…

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if Hamhuis agrees to like a two or three year deal, just to see what he can do in Pittsburgh, but also not be afraid to try and ask for a trade, like the Vancouver because he is from B.C. If that happens though, that means less money and Gonchar too.

This whole thing is that it would be great if we can get both, and I think we can easily, the only thing is Gonchar needs to stop being the old man he is and come back down to reality. I’m hoping that if he doesn’t swallow some pride, and he goes to FA, that other teams will remember that this is a player, no matter how good he is, has missed a lot of games the last two seasons due to injury, and will have the brains to think that it is too much of a risk to bring in a guy who might get hurt one last time and then leave that 5 million dollars a year out to dry for nothing, and those FA deals won’t be as good as Sarge thought. Then when he sees that, he’ll start talking to Shero again and take whatever they offer.

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by AlexStitch on Jun 29, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

If we sign Hamhuis, I’d be of the opinion that it’d be better to not re-sign Gonchar, unless he agrees to a really great contract (like 2 years, $6M total).

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need some of the defensemen to go in and call these guys. I view Brooks as the teams D-man in the sense that he is the future and all around consistent best one we have. If you get him and Letang to call Hamhuis to try and explain how they think things will work, how much they want him, that would help. And the same for Gonchar, but to say accept what they’re giving you, we need you, blah blah blah.

Is there a way to have an optional year in a contract like they do in baseball and basketball. Like a two year deal for 3 millions a year with a guaranteed option of a third for like 3.5 or something? All depending on how Gonchar feels about retiring?

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by AlexStitch on Jun 29, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Hamhuis

It seems that the Letang deal of $3.5M is being used as a benchmark for young defensemen. The Rangers are using it with Mark Staal, who wants more. Is Hamhuis more valuable than Letang? No way. Orpik? No again. Mark Staal? Not hardly. It’s a good free agency year for defensemen and the Pens have many good prospects (Lovejoy, Bortuzzo, Despres, Strait, Sneep and Engelland) and other free agents they can sign before 1 July (Eaton, Leopold). If Gonchar and Hamhuis want to be free agents, let them. It is not the end of the world and neither one adds to the toughness of the Pens’ blue line.

by stoopidful on Jun 29, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

…can we have marc staal anyways?

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

if his last name wasn’t staal, would we still want him as much?

by Chez on Jun 29, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

i like the pens, sidney crosby, jordan staal, and typing in capital letters.

by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

in my defense, things like this is why: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/the-nhls-top-defensive-defencemen/article1527022/

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why you’d have to defend wanting M-Staal on the team.

The Pens will be back.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, thank you. just thought there was a little “well, of course she wants another staal on the team, it’s katie…”

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marc Staal gets those kinds of questions because he’s a D-man, not a scoring star like his brothers. D’s do more of the little things that aren’t always obvious, plus, as we all know, they take longer to get situated. I would still love to have Marc, plus it will be fair since Carolina has the other two.

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by AlexStitch on Jun 29, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly! thanks, friend.

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by katielynn906 on Jun 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

@katielynn

The Pens can have him with an offer sheet, but it would have to be too high for the Rangers to meet.

by stoopidful on Jun 29, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

if only, if only, if only…

i like M Staal. Besides, haven’t you heard? The chances of a team winning the Stanley Cup is directly proportionate to the number of Staal brothers you have in your team.

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there is a “chasm” between him and Glen Sather in their negotiations. Maybe it won’t happen this year (let’s be honest, it won’t) but I would love it if he eventually came to the Pens.

by silvsiara on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t argue with sceince.

by spookygeek on Jun 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. And since two brothers are with Carolina, why not have the other 2 together in Pittsburgh?

by silvsiara on Jun 30, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

this i can drink to :)

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by Alighieri on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how he is worth more than Orpik or Letang. If the reports floating around are accurate, Bylsma is offering him top pairing and top minutes. From the scouting reports, it doesn’t sound like he should automatically get top minutes at $4-5 mil. I think he would be a great addition to the blueline for sure, but at a more reasonable contract. Shouldn’t top minutes ability be more proven or earned? Bylsma is always talking about players earning those minutes, how can he guarantee a player who hasn’t even started playing on the team that he would get those minutes.

by tmpens on Jun 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing, and my conclusion is that it’s more about having a frank discussion with Hamhuis about the state of the Pens’ D, and where he fits on the depth chart in general. You can’t guarantee that he’ll stay at/near the top no matter what, but you can commit to starting him there, and to keeping him there if he keeps playing the way they expect him to. And the Pens are not about to go out and get another D who ‘outranks’ him. Stuff like that …

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by PopRocks on Jun 29, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with PopRocks about the playing time issues. As for the money, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal if he makes more than the guys we have. Tanger is still a youngster. If he continues to develop and achieve his potential, he’ll have a chance to go to the bank in four years. Orpik signed his deal a couple of years ago. If he was making a deal this year, who knows, he might be a $4 million guy. It comes down to whether or not hammer is the guy who fills our need, and if so, then he is worth whatever we are willing to pay him. I don’t think negotiations can be bound by past deals that you have made with guys on the roster now.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

my problem with Hammer is that us sinking a big multi-year deal on him would limit our flexibility to upgrade that position in the future.

Hamhuis will come into this team now and be a top line d-man but only because outside of Free Candy, we don’t have a clear first pair d-man. I’m not convinced that Hamhuis can become a long term solution for us. To me, the trajectory of his career is to end up as a Jordan Leopold type 2nd/third pairing defenseman within the next 3 to 4 years.

I’d be willing to break the bank on a d-man but only if he young enough to have an upside but still able to contribute now (M Staal/Tallinder)

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

or volchenkov…

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be willing to break the bank on a d-man but only if he young enough to have an upside but still able to contribute now (M Staal/Tallinder)…or volchenkov…

Tallinder is 31
Volchenkov is 28
Hamhuis is 27

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yikes, looked at the wrong stat sheet…. my bad

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

my problem with Hammer is that us sinking a big multi-year deal on him would limit our flexibility to upgrade that position in the future.

Hamhuis is just entering his prime, and he’s put up comparable numbers to Olympians Ryan Suter and Shea Weber. And if we sign Hamhuis to a 3 or 4 year contract, I think the Pens would be intentionally limiting some flexibility in the future so that they have consistency over the next couple of years.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just have problems seeing Hammer developing any more than he is already. I wouldn’t mind him in a Pens uniform. If Shero & co. can see something in his future that we don’t I’ll be glad to have him.

My problem isn’t with him joining us, it’s us sinking 4 mill on him. If he improves to a championship level D-man for us to put next to Tanger (assuming Tanger’s rate of improvement), I will gladly send him an edible fruit arrangement and say I was wrong…

My goodness I hope I’m wrong

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by Alighieri on Jun 29, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players and years for which they are signed:
Orpik – 4, Letang – 4, Gogo – 2, Lovejoy – 3

I think they’d love to get Hamhuis signed for 4-5 years
and Gonchar for 2 years
and a vet #7 for 1 year

then, next year bring up Despres (move out the #7 Vet)
the following year, bring up Strait or Bortuzzo (assuming Gonchar retires)

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

make that 5 years on Hammer.
that way its staggered:
Hammer – 5, Orpik – 4, Letang – 4, Lovejoy -3, Gogo – 2, Gonchar – 2, Vet#7 – 1.
i know its unlikely to play out that way, but it’d be nice if it did.

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if it is five years, maybe Shero could work some salary cap magic and get the average cap hit down a bit with a front-loaded contract.

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by GoPens! on Jun 29, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamhuis

Seen here blocking GoGo’s overtime blast in Nashville’s February 14 shootout win over the Pens.
.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that the puck ricocheting off Hammer’s shin pad or is that the puck approaching?
Just wondering.

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by PensFan8725 on Jun 29, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off the shin pad.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh cool. Thanks, very nice shot (as always), btw.

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by PensFan8725 on Jun 29, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, man. Looking back at pics from that game reminded me how much I wish we had won, particularly given how invincible we usually are in the shootout. It sucked going into the Olympic break off back-to-back overtime losses (though I guess 2 points were better than none).

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a more important question ...

How do you pronounce Hamhuis?

I’m quite certain it’s not “Ham-Hewey”, but since most of what I know about him has come from reading stuff, I’m a little out of touch with the truth. And being hooked on phonics isn’t working for me. Is it “Ham-hoose”-ish? Or something else?

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by PopRocks on Jun 29, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah, it’s Ham-Hyuice. Like Juice, only a “hyoo” in front of it.

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by FrankD on Jun 29, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aha. Thanks! This will greatly improve my internal dialogue!

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by PopRocks on Jun 29, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol when you asked that I was thinking “Omg, have I been making up my own pronunciation (ham-huice, i guess) and just assuming it was right?” Then, I remembered I heard his name pronounced on one of the NHL shows.

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by PensFan8725 on Jun 29, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely an interesting question. I’ve been saying it “ham-yoos”, basically the same as what Frank is saying but without the h in the middle. I suppose I’ll keep saying it that way right or wrong. Makes me wish my x-box wasn’t on the fritz or I’d load up nhl10 and see how those guys say it.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been known to do that from time to time with AHLers in NHL 10 as well.

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by FrankD on Jun 29, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't trust virtual Gary Thorne!

He’s been known to refer to Tom Poti as Tom “Potty”, as in “I need to go potty”. Wait a minute, maybe that’s appropriate… I wish I could remember some of the other funny ones.

by King Oskar on Jun 30, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have heard some good ones on there, though of course I can’t remember them now. Oh well, they get my name right, which is all I can really ask of them.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of my all-time favorite NHL series mispronunciations: Kristian “Useless”.

by JustinM on Jun 30, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is correct.

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by Chris Burton on Jun 29, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Дан Хамхюc

Russian has a single letter for the “you” sound which is convenient here.

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by red army line on Jun 30, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep wanting to pronounce it “Hamhouse” like Karl Dykhuis’s last name.

This is a clear case of people murdering the original Dutch pronunciation when they came over to the New World.

by JustinM on Jun 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Report: Hamhuis "Intrigued" by Penguins Opportunity and Discussions Continued...

…fairly late into this evening.
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it worked for Cooke!!!

by Diomedes7 on Jun 29, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

i have no idea why the word “intrigued” made me laugh so hard, but it did.

positive positive positive thinking!

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by katielynn906 on Jun 30, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The word “intrigued” leads me to believe that Hamhuis heard Shero’s offer, scratched his chin and said, in a sly, yet casual demeanor, “Hmmmmm Intriiiiiiguing.”

Then he adjusted his monocle, picked up his walking stick, adjusted his stove pipe hat and swaggered out of the offices.

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by FrankD on Jun 30, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then he passed go, collected $200 and bought the Reading Railroad.

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by FrankD on Jun 30, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

this clearly happened, so we clearly need him on our team.

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by katielynn906 on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, and who wouldn’t be intrigued by Ray Shero, the Pittsburgh Penguins, and Hooks Orpik’s “Pitch?”

by Diomedes7 on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems Rossi has been reading Hooks’ stuff.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jun 30, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone tried the whole send-him-a-fruit-basket thing? I feel like it would work. You know … show him we care ‘n’ stuff …

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by PopRocks on Jun 30, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

fingers crossed everyone, i think Shero’s way ahead of us on that…

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by Alighieri on Jun 30, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you hear this?
I’m still positive about Hammer and Gonch.

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by PensFan8725 on Jun 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

you little dreamer, you.

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by katielynn906 on Jun 30, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any links to these reports?

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by GoPens! on Jun 30, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me

Or does his description sound VERY like a cross between Brooks Orpik and Letang? Just change the words checks in general to hip checks and improve positional D and it looks like you would go from Orpik to Hamhuis on most things, then add in Letang’s occasional lapses, (am I dreaming them up, cause for some reason I remember seeing a lapse or two from him, correct me if I’m wrong) and his shot accuracy and you got Hamhuis. Any comments?

by Justin Mos on Jun 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

then add in Letang’s occasional lapses, (am I dreaming them up, cause for some reason I remember seeing a lapse or two from him, correct me if I’m wrong) and his shot accuracy and you got Hamhuis.

Letang and Hamhuis both add plenty of positive offensive contributions. The bottom line is every defender has occasional lapses; they come with playing the position.

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by GoPens! on Jun 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Hamhuis is the type of D-man the Pens need and would prefer him to Gonchar at this point, all things considered. However, I’m leery of breaking the bank to get him. I think $3M would be a good number for him, but they’re not getting him for that. Although $4M is likely what it will take, I voted for $3.5M to keep him in line with Orpik & Letang as they would clearly be the top 3 D-men (they’re all really #2 guys unless Tanger puts it all together)…

by King Oskar on Jun 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

It sounds like $3M isn’t even an option for Hamhuis.

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by GoPens! on Jun 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know and said as much in my post. I think that’s a reasonable price for his services, but not a chance of it happening when he’s UFA.

by King Oskar on Jun 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, I’m not holding my breath for Hamhuis, really. Weren’t there reports saying he wanted to stay in the west or something?
“Intrigued” by the way reminds me of “curiouser and curiouser” haha.

by AppleSweetRose on Jun 30, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I was actually initially disappointed with us trading for Hamhuis’s right… It kinda takes us out of the Michalek/Volchenkov sweepstakes.

I always assumed we could lure one of the two who I rate higher than hammer.

I could be wrong

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by Alighieri on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

How do you suppose it takes us out of the running for those guys? It’s not Hamhuis do or die. We’re allowed to shop around like everybody else.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 1, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

not really taking us out of the running, PAYD. But kinda like we’re settling for him. We had our picks and instead of tossing them at Ottawa, we got Hamhuis’s rights.

Say what you want about shopping around but by giving up an asset (even one as borderline as a 3rd round draft pick) I feel like we’ve some kinda vested interest in Hammy…

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