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Old trade review: Whitney for Kunitz/Tangradi

Was this trade a steal or what??  I was pumped when I first saw this trade, and I still am!  Shero's best trade by far.  Kunitz was a kind-of-Ryan-Malone-replacement (which we needed!).  Ryan Whitney was always inconsistent anyways.  He didn't look pretty on the powerplay point or on defense.  And bumping his name off the roster made room for Letang to step up.  And hopefully we will find out this year or next that the addition of Tangradi will be a plus...

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I like Kunitz but i’m not crazy about his salary. Still though this trade won us a cup and not to mention it looks like Tangradi is going to play a huge part in this upcoming season.

by Will87 on Jul 13, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

About Kunitz’s salary- Sure! But Whitney was slightly more expensive ontop of being completely expendable. So we basically traded one thing we didn’t need for two things we did… Last year, Kunitz had a lot of injury issues followed up by slumps. Hopefully he can play 75+ games this year.

by lampshade9909 on Jul 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We can't make any decision on this trade yet

Because we haven’t even seen Tangradi play anything more than 1 NHL game in his career. We probably won’t be able to say one team won the deal for another year or so. I think the Ducks are happy though, they traded Kunitz and Tangradi for Visnovsky. So when we take all three teams into account, Ducks are the winner so far, Oilers are the losers and it’s still too early to tell for us.

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by BobPurkey34 on Jul 13, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Edmonton has a good, hidden advantage though, I wouldn’t write them as total losers…And I don’t think Whitney played too badly up there either.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 13, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate the concept, I feel like we “won” this trade… Ignoring his contract, Kuni’s our best winger now plus Tangradi’s our best prospect…

To get that for a guy who we could live without thanks to our depth…

If Whits ends up putting up a Norris worthy season within the next 10 years, maybe it might have been a bad idea. But so far, there aren’t any indications of that.

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by Alighieri on Jul 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

You said it so I didn’t have to, PAYD. Rec’d

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 13, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

trust me when i say this, i was sleep deprived and still unable to keep a straight face typing it

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by Alighieri on Jul 13, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me...

when I say that it hurt to post that. I remember many days driving home after games, listening to the river of Whitney hate flowing on the postgame show and thinking “he’ll show ’em”. As time went on I realized he wasn’t showing ‘em. He was showing me. And I didn’t like what I saw. I know the guy has plenty of talent, but there just didn’t seem to be any way that he was going to turn the tide of negative opinion in Pittsburgh. I’m very happy to have gotten a guy like Kunitz in exchange, plus the promise of Tangradi. As long as his interests do not conflict with our own, I wish Whitney all the best.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 14, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whits was a project… that had to be stated… But when you had guys like Free Candy & Tanger on your roster, he was expendable… The fact that someone was willing to take him while giving us significant upgrades, you just take it.

It would have been sweet if he found success with us but if push comes to shove, I’d drop him a thousand times to get that Stanley Cup

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by Alighieri on Jul 14, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

he had his moments — like game 5 of the 07-08 SCF
i also hope he puts it all together
just liking Kunitz and Tangradi more
esp. w/ 2 years left on Tangradi’s ELC

by Diomedes7 on Jul 14, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the time of the trade I thought it was a horrible deal. Whitney had 2 great seasons with the Pens and I saw him as a guy that could be a top defenseman for a long time. Whitney just never seemed to bounce back from his foot surgery, and get back to playing the way he showed he could. Given how his career has gone since I would have to say it was a win for Shero.

by genomachine-O on Jul 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, this was a great trade.
Whitney’s $4M/year contract was deadweight. Just moving it for nothing would have been a good idea w/ the players we have coming up — and w/in context of the CAP, which people seem to forget.
That we got Kunitz, something we really needed, was a plus.
And that we got Tangradi was gravy.
You judge a trade on the time it was executed, not 10 years later.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 13, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus with Letang and Goligoski showing they were in fact NHL defensemen the Pens were good there, they needed a forward just like Kunitz to help win the Cup.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 13, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They won the Cup the year they made the trade

So it’s definitely a win for me no matter what happens, really. Although Tangradi bombing would certainly put a sour spin on it for future years.

But still who would you see being paid $4 million to play defense for us, Whitney or Michalek?

by Schide on Jul 13, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Michalek.

Especially when you’re paying $3.5m to Letang.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tangradi

sounds like a very good day for Tangradi at camp
DePaoli reporting he looks healthy — finally
and the power in his shots is back
esp. his snapshot

agree w/ Shade — this trade was awesome all the way around
good to see you here at Pensburgh, man

by Diomedes7 on Jul 13, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

sounds like a very good day for Tangradi at camp
DePaoli reporting he looks healthy — finally
and the power in his shots is back
esp. his snapshot

If this is accurate, I’m going to be really happy. Could you imagine a 2nd line with Tangradi, Staal, and Malkin?

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by GoPens! on Jul 14, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’d be off the hook!
it makes sense w/ the wings, too — Malkin prob better at RW and Tangradi at LW

although i’ve heard Tangradi say his style meshes better w/ Crosby’s
and i think they might want his size on Crosby’s line

and, of course, he prob STARTS on the 3rd line anyway!

by Diomedes7 on Jul 14, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll let Disco Dan tell who’s style he meshes better with.

by spookygeek on Jul 15, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Danny will definitely try him on all 4 lines, probably in the same game/period/shift.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 15, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Tangradi’s getting burn on Sid’s line… They already have an established LW in Kuni. It makes more sense to put him on Geno’s line.

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by Alighieri on Jul 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although … wouldn’t a Kunitz-Staal-Malkin line be … amazing?!

Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.

by PopRocks on Jul 15, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if it was a block of wood+Staalkin, that line would be amazing…

I sometimes wish we were a goal down in games just so I can see the Staal/Sid/Geno line… Then I feel bad that I wish we were a goal down. Then I see the lineup and I’m happy…

My therapist hates hockey games now…

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by Alighieri on Jul 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the shoutout Diomedes! Tis a great forum :) Thank you!

by lampshade9909 on Jul 14, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’ve heard Tangradi say his style meshes better w/ Crosby’s

smart kid

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 14, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

If you had a time machine you could have fixed that.

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by GoPens! on Jul 14, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

the hot tub one or the flying car?

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by Alighieri on Jul 14, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The flying car (I hope)… I can think of some trades that would be undone by a GM with a time machine.

by lampshade9909 on Jul 14, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

or FA signings… (peeks over at Chicago)

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by Alighieri on Jul 14, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to be “that guy,” but I couldn’t stand Ryan Whitney. I’m happy the Pens got a good return on him in both Kunitz and Tangradi, because frankly I was beyond being patient with him by the time he left town. Like PensAreYourDaddy said above, I used to take the whole “he’ll show them soon enough” approach to Whitney as well, but after a while you just really had to accept the fact that he was not good.

Didn’t stop me from drafting him on my fantasy team last year though with a late, late pick.

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by FrankD on Jul 14, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t like Ryan Whiteny because retaining him would have kept us from getting Michalek and Martin.

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by GoPens! on Jul 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all have fun at Ryan Whitney’s expense, and for good reason.

But I’ll always remember, and respect that night in June in the 3-OT game where he played the most minutes of any player (Gonchar hurt his back, you might remember), and for my money Whitney was the best player in that game. And he did it on one foot too.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m curious… At the time of the trade, what was the general feeling here? I was kinda in a very lonely existence when the trade first happened because I’ve yet to find this blog then…

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by Alighieri on Jul 14, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I wasn’t blogging at the time either, but I can tell you that this was the reaction of the DC-Baltimore corridor (plus 1 in Shrewsbury) Penguins fans that I know.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 14, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree. i can remember being excited and confused about Tangradi. i hadn’t remembered him from the draft or any Penguins prospects reports, but i was certain he had to be someone Shero added to sweeten the pot. the fact that we got out from under Whitney’s salary, got a winger for Crosby, AND AN EXCELLENT PROSPECT just did not compute.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 14, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that was the start of all our inSherowetrust hashtags…

i had a soccer background (hated it) where the premium was on homegrown talent so I was kind of sad that we lost Whits. But it didn’t make sense how the Ducks were willing to drop their top line wing for a 2nd pair defenseman and still had to sweeten the pot with a prospect…

I thought he was crazy

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by Alighieri on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ducks were willing to drop their top line wing

Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan beg to differ.

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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 14, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the Ducks top line, at the time was Kunitz-Getzlaf-Perry. At least for their Cup run, Kunitz was play a top line winger role, similar to what he did in Pittsburgh in ‘09. He’s not the star of the line by any means, but he’s capable.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 15, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the general consensus among Penguins fans was an overall feeling of frustration with Whitney’s play prior to the trade and bittersweet to see him go. Lots of promise still in this guy we thought, despite he made rookie errors, soft on defense, and his offensive production was suffering. I remember one particular game shortly before he was traded, I think it was against the Leafs, the Penguins were down a goal, on the PP, and the Penguins pulled Fleury for the extra attacker with a minute left, Whitney carried the puck towards the offensive zone and iced the puck on a powerplay. For me, that was it.

Also at the time, Kris Letang had started to emerge as a cheap, consistent offensive force and that made Whitney expendable.

The return was good for both sides. I was familiar with Kunitz from watching a lot of Sharks vs Ducks games, but supposedly Tangradi was the centerpiece of the deal that Ducks fans were somewhat upset about losing. I didn’t think Kunitz was the answer for the goal scoring winger that the Pens had been looking for since Hossa, but he’s proved his value in other ways.

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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 14, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on Kunitz. Some may disagree, but I like his style.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 14, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome video.
THAT is some serious “net-front presence.”

by Diomedes7 on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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