Shots and Territorial Possession
I know that the biggest story the last couple of days has been free agency and all its glory, so I figured I'd switch it up a bit and take a look at which Penguins this year were driving play in the right direction. I'll be looking at shots and Corsi statistics to see which players were doing exactly what Bylsma wants -- out-shooting their opponents. This analysis was inspired by John Fischer's wonderful series on Paul Martin, and all of my data was pulled from Gabriel Desjardins' fantastic site Behind the Net.
The best way to achieve long-term success is to out-shoot and out-possess your opponents. The last three Cup winners were all at the top in terms of 5-on-5 Shot% [SF/(SF+SA)], and a look at the top 10 teams in this category over the last three years is a compilation of hockey's elite clubs. This makes sense when you consider that shooting percentage doesn't vary a whole lot between teams, which leaves shot volume as the primary variable through which teams influence their winning percentage. A look at the numbers over the last three years:
| ES S% MIN | ES S% MAX | ES SF/60 MIN | ES SF/60 MAX | |
| 07-08 | 8.91 | 9.33 | 24.7 | 32.8 |
| 08-09 | 8.98 | 9.36 | 26.2 | 34.8 |
| 09-10 | 8.95 | 9.28 | 26.6 | 33.2 |
You can see that ES S% varies very little among teams, so no one has a real advantage in terms of scoring rates. What does vary quite a bit is SF/60. The average difference in SF/60 over the three years in question is 7.8/60. Since teams see about 3,800 minutes at even strength each year, that translates into a difference of 494 shots between the highest shooting teams and lowest shooting teams.
You can see that the Penguins' first line of Crosby-Kunitz-Guerin led all forward lines in terms of out-shooting opponents. They were far and away the three best forwards on the team in this category, and demonstrated that they were a very effective unit. At the other end, the guys who played on the 4th line the most (Adams and Rupp) were consistently out-shot and not driving play in the right direction. As to the defensemen, Letang and Gogo lead the way while on the ice. While some (including myself) complained during the year about their lack of defensive integrity, it's very impressive for those two young guys to finish an 82 game season as the leaders in shot differential among Pittsburgh defensemen.
Here we see a very similar story, as Crosby, Guerin and Kunitz lead forwards in Corsi. They're out-attempting the opposition by a wide margin while on the ice and controlling play very effectively. And again, we see that Letang and Gogo are leading the way in Corsi among defensemen, while Rupp and Adams still can't find a way to get the puck moving in the right direction.
As John talked about in his Paul Martin piece, Corsi, just like every other hockey stat, should be taken in context. Derek Zona of Copper and Blue has shown that which zone a player starts in the most will have an effect on his Corsi. If a player sees a lot of zone starts in the offensise zone, then it will be much easier for that player to have a high Corsi since he gets to start so close to the opponent's net. On the other hand, if a player sees a lot of defensive zone starts, then he's on the ice a lot while the other team is very close to his net, and thus more likely to take shot attempts. Working the adjustment in generates these adjusted Corsi numbers:
The zone start change is very slight for most players. I would have expected the biggest change to be for Crosby, Guerin and Kunitz since they start in the offensive zone much more often than in the defensive zone, but it wasn't too significant after all.
Overall, the Penguins as a whole did a very good job of out-shooting and out-attempting the opponent while on the ice. It's no surprise that they've been wildly successful under Dan Bylsma, as he has gotten the players to move the puck in the right direction and park themselves in the opponent's zone. As for individual players, Kunitz's numbers stand out quite a bit, and if he can remain healthy for the entire year next year, he's going to put up a solid campaign if his adj CorsiON/60 stays at that level. On the defensive front, Gogo and Letang led the way in all categories, which is pretty awesome considering their age. This bodes really well for the Penguins' blue line in the future.
Update: The shooting percentage data in the first table is incorrect. For the record, ES S% does vary from team to team, and it is significant. However, this does not change the point that the teams that out-shoot and out-possess their opponents stand the best chance to win.
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outta the ball park GoPens, nice article…
It proves what we all figured all along. Tanger and Goose are going to important for us due to their offensive upsides. The trick now is to find a way that they can be reliable for us defensively. That should be their benchmark when we are judging them as players.
Neither of them can be Brooks defensively but as long as we eliminate those brain farts in our zone, they’re worth every penny we throw their way.
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They’ll get better in their own end with time. And out-shooting your opponent is some of the best defense a team can provide.
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This data already speaks well for their defensive reliability. They were both on the ice for fewer even strength attempts against per 60 than such “defensive” players as Orpik and McKee.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 3, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda loaded for a comparison… Brooks spent a lot of time facing off with other teams top lines and McKee’s production was in the process of falling off a cliff for a while already…
But I agree. The future of the Penguins blue-line (especially with Ricky & Mickey) is bright.
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I think it was Orpik-Tanger or Orpik-Gonch, if I’m not mistaken.
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Ok that’s what I thought. These numbers confuse the hell out of me then. These numbers are 5 on 5 numbers, then how is Orpik’s soooo much less than the 2 guys he was paired with most of the season. I can understand if the numbers were overall, cause Gonch/Tanger would get more shots for while on the PP.
Probably because Orpik was up aginst the other team’s top line no matter what. Whereas Gonch and Letang, we switched back and forth from the first to the second pairing.
Does that make sense?
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seems fine to me. It was an unfair burden to place on Free Candy. Since losing Gill & Scuds, Brooks has always been expected to lead some sort of shutdown pairing. But the personnel he was paired with (Sarge & Tanger) are geared more towards the offensive end.
It then takes an onus on him to do his duties offensively as well as cover for his partner. That coupled with him not taking too many shots as compared to everyone else, results in his lower ratings here.
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Even if Orpik doesn’t attempt a lot of shots, his CorsiON/60 will still be high if his on-ice teammates take a lot of shots.
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The Penguins d pairings weren’t super steady throughout the year. He only played about 44% of ES time with Letang, 39% with Gonchar, and the other 17% was a variety of pairings.
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Eh, QComp pegs Orpik as facing tougher competition while Corsi QoC says that Letang saw tougher assignments than Orpik while Gogo wasn’t far behind Brooks. Even if Orpik had an edge in competition, it’s not enough to make up for the gulf between him and Letang/Gogo in CorsiON/60
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The trick now is to find a way that they can be reliable for us defensively.
Defensemen, as well as goalies, tend to take longer to reach their full potential than forwards. I actually think that Letang is a solid defender for us, considering his age but that Gogo’s the one who’s got a long way to go.
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they’ll both get better with age. It does take years to learn the position and by that I’m VERY happy with Tanger’s development.
I still can’t see him as a shutdown type defenseman like Brooks or Tallinder but he’s still going to be solid for us in time.
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Exactly. That way Tanger can improve defensively, by learning from big Z, but, at the same time, not have as much pressure on himself defensively since we got Z.
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I CAN’T WAIT to see our defensive pairings next year. I really think that these signings and our improvement on defense is going to make Flower look a lot better. While he gave up some weak goals last year, our defense left him out to dry more than not last season.
how do you guys think Bylsma’s gonna shuffle the pairings?
Think he’ll spread the wealth and put Free Candy, Z & Martin on different pairings to mentor the youngsters or front load the pairings by putting 2 of the 3 together?
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The great thing about our new D, is that any of the top 4 guys could easily be in the top pairing. So here’s what I think the D will look like:
Orpik-Michalek
Martin-Letang
Gogo-Lovejoy
Each pairing has a right hander and each one has a great puck mover. I think Orpik and Michalek would be an absolutely solid shutdown pairing. Maybe one of the best in the league. Orpik could knock you into next week, while Z can take away your space or block you shot, if you do somehow get away from him.
defense is going to make Flower look a lot better.
Oh yeah definitely. I actually speculated right after we got eliminated that Flower was over aggressive at times because he had no trust in our D. If that’s not a recipe for disaster, I don’t know what is.
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i like the way you phrased the Orpik/Michalek combination. :D
come on! is it October already?
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’d want either Martin or Letang on the 1st D pairing, only because Orpik and Michalek don’t generate a ton of offense.
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Neither did Gill-Scuds and we all know what we won with them. Although, I do see your point. When, we’re playing a team like the Caps, they’ll be very useful. =]
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Gill and Scuderi
When will the myth of the Gill and Scuderi shut down pairing end? Both were slow and poor skaters. Neither one had a good exit pass. Neither one was physical. Neither one could get the puck out of their defensive end. Letang and Orpik were far superior defenders. Both are good skaters (Letang may be the best skater on the team). Both are physical. Both can make a good exit pass. Both can clear the crease. Let’s face it they can move the puck. Both can clear the crease. Letang even made Whitney a great defender in the 07-08 playoffs against the Rangers and Flyers. Poor Orpik was saddled with Gonchar, a horrible defender much of the past few years.
I wouldn't call Scuds slow
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t either, but I think our Stanley Cup run has left an image of Gill and Scuds in fans’ heads that isn’t really what happened on the ice.
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agree w/ GP
i think it’ll be:
Martin – Michalek
Orpik – Letang
GoGo – Lovejoy
each has a Lefty (on the left above) and a Righty (on the right above)
and each has a puck mover — Martin, Letang, GoGo
How crazy is it that we’re in a position to have Orpik—Letang as our 2nd D pairing? God I’m excited for next year.
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wow, i hadn’t thought of it that way
was thinking that the Top 4 would get pretty much equal minutes…
Regardless of minutes, the fact that Orpik and Letang are 3rd and 4th on the depth chart is crazy.
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Exactly. Although I think he’ll learn more from Paul Martin. Tanger’s best case scenario seems to be Martin’s 2-way type of D. Albeit with a lot more upside on offense.
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I could totally see Tanger turning into a Matin-like player. I actually have them together in my post above. I do agree with you, though. Tanger should have a lot more of an offensive upside. It’d actually be disappointing to see him not be.
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Tanger is only 23. There’s no way we know whether he is or isn’t a “shutdown d-man” (whatever that means). If his offense and on-ice Corsi stats continue to improve, that alone will make him one of the best defenders in the league.
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Kris Letang
Great article, I enjoyed it thoroughly. Bylsma played Letang against the best offensive players. Ovi, Kovy, Stamkos, Tavares, Alfredson, Nash, Daniel Sedin, etc. For the most part he stoned them. Offensively the statistics do not always tell the true story. In juniors at Val d’Or he put up Bobby Orr numbers. He was “the man” and upheld that position. With the Pens he has not been “the man” and his stats suffer from it. If he plays the Bobby Orr role, which we have all seen from time to time, Norris candidate.
Can you just imagine what Sid’s numbers would have been this year if Kunitz had been healthy all season? His value is well worth the cap hit.
I’ve been pretty critical of Kunitz, but I’ll admit that these stats paint him in a really positive light. The only question left is whether Kunitz’s Corsi numbers are more a result of his talent or the fact that he gets to play with Crosby a lot.
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Maybe a little bit of both. As evidenced by Billy’s numbers, playing with someone of the caliber of Sid improves your numbers. I actually think Kunitz does well for himself. The line of him, Sid, and Dupes should be a good one next year.
I guess a good way to find out is to look at Kunitz’s Corsi numbers before he became a Pen.
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Before he was a Pen, Kunitz got to play on ANA’s top line with Getzlaf, Selanne, Niedermeyer and Pronger. He’d better have killer Corsi numbers with that group.
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Oh lol. Nevermind. Damn this guy’s had a very nice career hasn’t he?
Although, I’m sure, when Shero traded for him, he liked the fact that he had thrived playing with big stars.
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Special Nieds and Captain Elbows were usually split up, so you could have on one the ice at any given time. Since they were both 25+ minute skaters in ANA, you had a dominant defender on the ice for pretty much the entire game.
It’s a lot like the Pronger/Timmonen situation you saw in Philly during the playoffs, except that as good as Timmonen is, he’s definitely a poor man’s Niedermayer. I’m going to miss the hell out of watching Scott skate.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
For a good three seconds, I was thinking “who in hell is Captain Elbows?” Then it clicked…
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Special Nieds & Capt Elbows!
LMAO! Ahh you crazy duck fans…
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I wish I could take credit for either of those nicknames, but sadly, they’re not my own creation.
(And I root for the Caps)
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh… well that nickname was a red herring then.
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It was the first thing that popped into my head when asked to create a login for SBNation =]
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Nice article, GP
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 3, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The only question left is whether Kunitz’s Corsi numbers are more a result of his talent or the fact that he gets to play with Crosby a lot.
In my humble opinion that’s not very fair to Kunitz. I don’t care if Ovie is on Sid’s wing, his numbers would look better BECAUSE he played with Sid. Sid will make superstars look better, and Sid will make average to good players look better.
I still rate Kunitz very highly. Playing with Sid & Geno will raise your production, definitely true. But Kunitz is far and away our best winger and he’s proven that he is a working commodity by gelling well with Sid.
That’s why I have no issues with our policy of winger of the day when it comes to playing with Sid & Geno. Your stats prior to Sid will pale in comparison to your stats post Sid. It’s just until we find that long term solution, any competent winger with a pulse I’ll be okay with. Poni not withstanding.
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Sid Makes Average Look Fantastic
He always has and he always will
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 3, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I understand your comment, but I was getting at whether Kunitz’s numbers actually reflect his penchant for out-possessing the other team, or merely his fortune of getting to play with Crosby.
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Sorry--
I was actully replying to mhuff13.
But your numbers are interesting and your thoughts about Kuntiz’s numbers/out-possessing/being on Sid’s line, very thoughtful.
I think you could take the kitchen sink and put it on Sid’s line and it would look better. LOL
I think Mhuff13 was saying that EVERYONE looks better playing next to Sid.
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure if you put Ovie and Sid on the same line that the other team would never touch the puck until those two got bored.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep! Everyone else would stand around watching those two skate!!!!
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I do dream about this sometime. If Ovi and Sid got to play together, they’d be right up there with Gretzky/Kurri and Lemieux/Jagr.
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Just imagine, if the draft lottery had fallen in order for ’04, Ovie would be wearing Vegas Gold and Black, Malkin would be a Blackhawk and the Pens have one less ball in the Crosby Lottery.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
From the Pens Twitter:
have signed left wing Brett Sterling to a 1-year contract.
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Are you sure? This guy’s done nothing in the NHL. Maybe they want him to demote to the minors, but I hope this isn’t a winger we expect to perform with top six minutes.
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No no it’s a two way contract.
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basically more organizational depth or as Hooks put it “Chris Bourque v.2.0”
unless something spectacular happens
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Zherdev?
anyone hear the chatter that Zherdev wants back into the NHL?
you have to think he’d be interested in playing w/ his countryman, Malkin.
perhaps he’d take a lower salary on a 1-year deal to revive his reputation/pile up some #s/land a big contract the following year…?
IIRC, he was a complete failure in New York last year, so the only way I see the Pens signing him is if he takes a really big pay cut.
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Zherdev
he scored 23 goals on a 2008 NYR team that lacked for bigtime offensive talent (ie, b4 Gaborik)
and he scored 26 goals the year before w/ Columbus
if the Pens want that elusive “goal-scoring winger” they could do worse than Zherdev
he can be a slacker, but he has talent
a 1-yr deal when he has something to prove — and big money on the other end if he’s successful — could be a nice arrangement
but i still doubt he’d take what amounts to just under a million… the upside for him is there but no one hates money that much
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$ is definitely an issue
but they could give him at least $1M
i know you are a firm believer of the “all it takes is one idiot GM” theory (for good reason)
but IF the rumor is true — and that’s a big IF — i doubt any teams are going to lob big $ AND a multi-year deal at him
if he’s smart (debatable) he’ll go where he has the best chance to pile up stats
he can play either wing position
and i hear them thar Penguins have some halfway decent centres
He made $3.25M in 08-09. I can’t see him playing for less than $2M or $2.5M.
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GP – money will be an issue, but what he made in 08-09 isn’t that relevant now b/c he spun out after that season.
He will have to EARN his way back into the league.
i’m kinda curious on who the idiot GMs are in the NHL… Beyond the guy in the Flames fron office that is…
Kinda weird that both the NHL and NBA FA are happening simultaneously but with such varying results. Largely conservative spending in the NHL and Rudy Gay + Everybody and their grandmother getting large multiyear deals.
Guess it’s easier to find idiot GMs in the NBA
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he can be a slacker, but he has talent
Sounds too much like Poni to me….
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Pens are talking to Poni, too…he’ll get more $ than Zherdev
with the limited space the Pens have these guys are going to have some warts
if it’s a push, Poni or Zherdev, I’d take Zherdev for the same money.
Poni just didn’t work next to Sid or Geno and I doubt a full training camp can do anything to 180 the situation. I’d rather take a shot in the dark with Zherdev.
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link
on Zherdev
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/405437-nhl-buzz-sunday-june-13th
relevant excerpt:
“Russian forward Nikolai Zherdev is expected to return to the NHL this season.
There may not be a ton of suitors, but there are a few teams interested.
Watch out for the Devils, Canucks, Sabres, Leafs and Penguins.”
Watch out for the Devils, Canucks, Sabres, Leafs and Penguins."
I wouldn’t put too much stock into that. That’s just some writer that knows the Penguins don’t have great wings and threw their name around on nothing more than a prayer. Whether Zherdev playing for PIT is a real possibility is pretty unclear right now.
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If Lou is pushing for Kovalchuk as hard as he says he is, I doubt Zherdev is even on his radar right now. Lou has also never been one to waste his time on Ranger retreads.
NJ
what’s up w/ Rob Niedermeyer?
w/ the Arnott signing, that knocks him down the depth chart, but does it knock him OFF?
he could be a decent pickup for the Pens perhaps
made $1M last year and is unsigned UFA
doesn’t he play center? was it D? Which is Scott & which is Rob again?
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from NHL.com...
“Rob Niedermayer New Jersey 10-12-22 in 71 GP
At 35, still a useful checking-line center with some offensive ability.”
Scott is the first-ballot HOF defender, Rob is a checking center.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re talking about Niedermayer the Lesser, i.e. Rob. He’s a checking line center. Scott is the defenseman who won four Stanley Cups (three with the Devils, one with Anaheim) and a Conn Smythe Trophy. I understand how it could get confusing, with both of them having played for the Devils at some point during their respective careers. All you need to know about Scott is that he’ll probably be a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer but will never have his number retired by the Devils as long as Lou Lamoriello et. al. run the Devils front office because of the way he left New Jersey.
i’m gonna google the feud. Didn’t think Scott would be this demonized (pun not intended) in New Jersey, given how awesome he looked the last time I was this deep in hockey.
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He’s not demonized. He was a good player who did good things for the Devils during his tenure with the team. However, allegedly leaving the team because Lou refused to trade for his brother, Rob, a checking line center who was under contract with Anaheim when the Devils already had a far superior checking-line center in John Madden, rubbed some people the wrong way, somewhat understandably in my opinion. Because he left in order to win a Stanley Cup for his brother elsewhere rather than living out the rest of his days as a Devil, he’ll never be as appreciated in New Jersey as say, Scott Stevens is.
Stevens & Niedermayer… now that was a dope pairing… Remember that one from when I was a kid. In fact I used to like the Devils even if the only players I knew off hand were the two of them and Brodeur.
I play D, what you’d expect right…
I get it now. I understand how losing Scott would suck as a Devils fan, but as a neutral, it feels kinda noble to go stand up for your baby brother.
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Stevens & Niedermayer… now that was a dope pairing… Remember that one from when I was a kid.
Confused…which do you remember as a kid, Stevens & Niedermayer or a time when people used “dope” as an adjective?
The Pens will be back.
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Stevens and Niedermayer… I Marty-McFlyed a major part of my childhood… Grew up literally in the 50s listening to the Rat Pack et al… :D
I'm 21 now... I still feel 20 and I still feel way too old.
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However, a lot of people do blame his departure for the decline of the Devils playoff performance. Because he was the Devils best defenseman besides Stevens and next in line for the captaincy after Stevens retired, many people feel that if he hadn’t left, the Devils wouldn’t have had so many first round flame outs in the playoffs. The Devils haven’t been right since Scott Stevens retired.
Four Cups, a Conn Smythe, two Olympic Golds (one as a captain), a World Championship and a Memorial Cup. He’s won the Norris. He was widely recognized as the second-best defender in hockey during the Lidstrom reign of terror during the middle part of the decade, he’d have gotten at least a couple more (he finished second behind Lidstrom in ’05 and ’06).
If that’s not first ballot material, burn the place to the ground, it’s no good. Unless some kind of outrageous scandal turns up, he’s in.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether Zherdev playing for PIT is a real possibility is pretty unclear right now
Totally agree.
Just an interesting speculation at this point.
The point I was trying to make is that his talent has far exceeded his actual output thus far in his career. I think he’s a typical Russian – talented but far to indolent and lazy for his own good.
i don’t disagree with you.
he’s made mistakes
but if he wants to EARN his way back into the NHL, as apparently he does, he could be motivated to: a) play harder, and b) take less $ (he won’t have a choice on this one. no more $3M contracts. the question is HOW MUCH less).
if we can come up with Zherdev, I’m fairly sure at least 2 other GMs are looking for him too. GMs with more cap space than we do.
The odds of him coming here for less than a million are pretty low. Nobody hates money that much.
I'm 21 now... I still feel 20 and I still feel way too old.
Just so I never have to answer this again. I'm from Singapore so whenever you see me online, I'm either sleep deprived or just waking up.
Very well said.
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 4, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Checking Line Center
Why would the Pens seek a checking line center? They have Staal, Talbot, Rupp, Kennedy, Adams, Jeffrey, Vitale and Letestu all under contract. If Staal goes to the second line (which I doubt) one of the others can step in. Spend your cap space on a scoring winger if one is available. Zherdev is a head case who ought to come cheap because no one wants him. So is Poni, in case you haven’t noticed the overwhelming lack of interest in his services.




















