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Penalties and Penguins

Jordan Staal of the Pittsburgh Penguins poses for a portrait during the 2010 NHL Awards. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

In an ideal world the Penguins would never take any penalties, and we would play the entire game on the man advantage. But since it can't be too obvious that we're Gary Bettman's team, we have to deal with even strength play, and even a penalty kill sprinkled here and there. And since drawing and taking penalties can have real and significant effects on a game, it would be nice to know which Penguins excelled in this category. 

As always, a big thanks to Behind the Net for supplying all of the data.

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The first thing I'm going to do is to look at penalties taken and drawn while at even strength. Looking at raw taken and drawn stats doesn't tell the whole picture, as a player who draws a lot of penalties might also take a lot of penalties, effectively eliminating any positive effect. Looking at PIM/60 is also misleading, and Mike Rupp provides a clear example why. For every fight he gets into, Rupp takes a five minute major. If we just looked at PIM/60, he'd look pretty bad. What this ignores, though, is that he simultaneously drew a five minute major from an opposing player, effectively making this whole thing a wash. I think that the best way to judge penalty discipline and effectiveness is to look at the difference in penalties taken per 60 (PTAKE/60) and penalties drawn per 60 (PDRAW/60), which gives you a penalty +/-. Here are the ES numbers for this year:

  Es_penalty_chart_medium

Not surprisingly, Selke candidate and Katielynn's future husband, Jordan Staal, is tied for 1st on the team in penalty +/-. What is surprising is who he's tied with: Fedetenko. Even though he had a terrible season by most measurements, this is one facet of the game in which he actually earned his salary. It's also nice to see Crosby and Malkin on the right side of the stat, but for players with their level of talent, they need to start creating a bigger difference in their penalty +/-.

The bottom players basically comprise the defensemen and the 4th line. The defensemen are there because their position induces them to take more penalties than average, and the 4th liners are there because they don't have the offensive talent to draw enough penalties to make up for the ones they take. Also of note is that Goligoski, a d-man, was tied for third on the team in penalty +/-. He continues to make a strong case for the most underrated Penguin this year.   

While the time the Penguins spend on the pp and the pk is small compared to ES, I figured I'd take at look at those stats from this year. First, penalty stats when the Penguins are on the power play:

Pp_penalty_chart_medium

[Raw drawn and taken totals are not reported for special teams play at Behind the Net.]

We can see that Staal continues to be the man. Even in the limited pp time he sees, he still manages to draw penalties and give the Penguins valuable 5-on-3 ice time. Letang also stands out as performing exceptionally well in these circumstances, and Bill Guerin continues to rank near the bottom in penalty +/-.

Looking at the numbers, it seems like the players that see less pp ice time have a better penalty +/-, and vice versa. I ran a correlation test between pp TOI/60 and penalty +/-, and got r = -0.495. This means that there is a trend for players who see less pp ice time to have a better penalty +/-, but it's not strong enough to provide a definitive answer one way or the other.

Now let's look at the numbers while the Penguins are on the pk:

Pk_penalty_chart_medium

It's nice to see that some of the Penguins' regular penalty killers such as Adams, Dupuis, and Talbot weren't a negative in penalty +/-. But if Kris Letang is going to be a top 4 d-man next year, he's going to have to kill penalties at a regular rate, and he can't be a -1.8 in penalty +/-.

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Like you said, pp and sh time is a small percentage. Tanger played 100 sh minutes, so his 1.8 / 60 comes out to a whopping 3 penalties taken while on the pk, and let’s face it, they probably resulted from Gonch letting his man get by.

The Pens will be back.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 5, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Really good point, PAYD. He and gogo look better and better the more I dig. Pretty encouraging for the future, if you ask me.

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strange numbers

Geno took 49 minor penalties this year. He is listed above with 30 at even strength. Looks like he took another 5 or 6 on the power play, and he isn’t listed as having taken any on the pk. Where are the other 13/14 penalties?

The Pens will be back.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 5, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Part of them could be missing because I don’t have 5-on-3 numbers, and another part might be missing because I don’t think this encompasses OT. But I’m going to email Gabe and see if I can find out what’s up with this.

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just realized that these stats don’t encompass any 4-on-4 or 4-on-3 hockey either (that means no OT). The ES stats at behind the net are all reported for 5-on-5 hockey. I might peruse the score sheets from this year and see if that explanation checks out.

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting read

This is a pretty cool write up. Anyone else really surprised to see Feds had drawn so many penalties?

by Mario's Mullet on Jul 5, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and no. One of his problems this year was falling down a lot, which can lead to drawing penalties.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 5, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I hadn’t thought of this, but this is a cool idea…

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks MM.

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very Enlighting Read

Again, GP, thanks for the great write up. Very interesting story along with the numbers.
Agreed with your thoughts on Letang. He will need to kill off penalities and cannot be a -minus.

Again, well written story.

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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 5, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks PFID!! Glad you enjoy reading.

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i died.
i love you, gopens.

i like the pens, sidney crosby, jordan staal, and typing in capital letters.

by katielynn906 on Jul 5, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a mutual love, Katielynn :)

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel loved! =D

i like the pens, sidney crosby, jordan staal, and typing in capital letters.

by katielynn906 on Jul 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here you go, katie, a couple more in case you haven’t seen them. Just don’t look at the third picture down. It will probably ruin it for you.

by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 5, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It ruined it for me. It’ll probably give Katie a heart attack.

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by GoPens! on Jul 5, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It made me laugh.
He really does look like a caveman…

I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993

by PensFan8725 on Jul 6, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol… for a second i couldn’t tell which was the GEICO caveman and which was AO!

I'm 21 now... I still feel 20 and I still feel way too old.

Just so I never have to answer this again. I'm from Singapore so whenever you see me online, I'm either sleep deprived or just waking up.

by Alighieri on Jul 6, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the beautiful pic of Sid.
Very Yummy!

The third picture was great, too……

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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 6, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhhh ovechkin, never change.

also, staal wins the best dressed award for the nhl awards this year. by far.

i like the pens, sidney crosby, jordan staal, and typing in capital letters.

by katielynn906 on Jul 6, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

the adjudication’s rigged i say…

I'm 21 now... I still feel 20 and I still feel way too old.

Just so I never have to answer this again. I'm from Singapore so whenever you see me online, I'm either sleep deprived or just waking up.

by Alighieri on Jul 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tied With Sid, Of Course

I would say the best dressed is a tie between Staal and Sid.
Both get my vote

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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

When my daily hockey fix takes the form of nerdy stats, I don’t feel as guilty taking the time away from reviewing Molecular Biology.
Can a girl get a bar graph for pete’s sake?

by eurydice_krg on Jul 6, 2010 2:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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