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Ron Cook actually makes sense! Very well written article that really makes me wish it was October already....
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Hometown Discount..
I find this quote amusing…
“Other players followed Crosby’s lead. The seven other core guys took less to play here, including Martin and Michalek. Martin turned down, in Shero’s words, a “significantly better” offer from another team."
Mainly because the thoughts of taking a discount to play anywhere is a hotly contested item on some of these boards. Sad thing is, there are plenty of us that always thought it was true, but many also thought it was a ridiculous though. Hmmm, maybe LeBron could learn something from hockey players. Pittsburgh is turning into a Players-team and the city, the fans, and MARIO are reaping the rewards!
by Wags24 on Jul 6, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
Players from every sport can learn a thing or two from some hockey players.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
by AlexStitch on Jul 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Especially soccer players, if that game became faster as a result of less playacting and more standing back up and getting back into the game…
Yet another validation in my head that hockey’s the best sport in the world!
I'm 21 now... I still feel 20 and I still feel way too old.
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by Alighieri on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Soccer...
Dead on! I love watching the World Cup but HOLY CRAP I am having a tough time getting past all the diving. How many great scoring opportunities are squandered because some knuckle-head tried to buy a call just inside the 18??
by Wags24 on Jul 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
like the last game… The newspapers are gonna say that the Dutch dominated but it was a horrible match with Oscar performances all around… I can’t believe I got out of bed at 2AM for that…
Although props to De Zeeuw… He got kicked in the face but stood back up after getting his bearings and got back to the game.
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The game started at 2.30AM. It’s about about 530AM. I think I’m just over 12 hours ahead of Pennsylvania…
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we need a facecam or something… i think this is the 3rd time PR got me on this timezone thing… shame on you
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Tim Duncan did that though a few years ago. Took a few million less and told him to save it in case someone got hurt. So big ups to Duncan.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
Tim Duncan was worried about winning Championships, not becoming a global icon like Lebron is trying to do. What Lebron needs to realize is the 2 are hand in hand. Think Jordan would have been as big of an icon as he was without winning 6 titles? Sure he was huge just for his exciting style of play, but at a point people want to see results along with the fun.
The Spurs are kinda an anomaly in the NBA. They’re kinda like the Pens or Wings in that they’re so well run and organized. They’re probably the ONLY team there w/o a horrible contract, building around career guys like Duncan & Gino.
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The owners are the responsible ones there. The fact that they’ve kept Popovich around for so long (which is the only reason Duncan stayed his entire career) is why there’s been so much stability in San Antonio.
either way… no other team in the NBA is run that well… I’m so glad that I have the Penguins after years of that cheap b****** Reinsdorf in the Bulls.
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I loved that Jordan dissed Reinsdorf at his HoF induction speech. That man is personally responsible for breaking up a dynasty to prove that “organizations win championships, not players”.
I was thinking that the Bulls could have contended for a 4th at least if they didn’t break up the core after their second three-peat… sad faces all around I suppose…
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I agree, i’m not saying hockey players are saints and do nothing wrong, but i swear every week you can find a story about an NFL player doing something, and the NBA is just a joke. Maybe that’s why the NHL is considered a lesser sport in terms of fans and ratings, no bad publicity, that’s what they say any publicity is good publicity.
I’ve decided this week that if I never watch a football game again in my life, I am pretty okay with that, due to every day you hear a football player getting arrested or charged or suspected of something. Disgraceful.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
It’s not so much their personal lives I have a problem with, it’s when they bring their beef into their work. You know, whenever there’s a contract dispute, they refuse to go to training camp or do anything involving the team. Dude, your rights are with the team. Until those rights are traded away or let go by that team, get you ass to work! Drives me nuts.
Love football, but I wouldn’t drop everything to watch it. Hockey is different in the sense that it’s better…lol. If a guy in the NHL gets arrested, he’s made fun of. In the NFL, it’s just a daily news thing.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
I’ve decided this week that if I never watch a football game again in my life, I am pretty okay with that, due to every day you hear a football player getting arrested or charged or suspected of something. Disgraceful.
that’s where i am.
born and bred to be a Steelers fan, but really…can’t. hardly. watch.
So 12 knuckleheads that ALWAYS get in trouble ruin it for the other 1500+ players? That’s kinda bleh.
its waaaay more than 12
besides,
hockey is just way better
tougher to play
more exciting
faster pace
and much, much, much, MUCH lower on the a-hole factor, steriod freak show, guns going off inside your pants, beating your wife, drowning your dog, assaulting co-eds, etc.
You really believe hockey players don’t do steroids?
by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 7, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure some do…but, as for it being an epidemic like it was in baseball, not even close.
The reason I think this is because in hockey, you need to be mobile and not necessarily big. I think it’s a pretty good sign when there’s over 150 NHL hockey players (many of them stars) in the Olympics and all of them pass the IOC drug tests. That ought to tell you something.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
I agree, it’s a lot more than 12, and not just recently either.
Plus, Goodel is an artard. He lets guys who have served time in prison for dog fighting, and a guy who KILLED A DUDE WITH HIS CAR WHILE DRUNK enter the league again. If I’m running shit, if you break a law and have to do time like that, you’re out and never coming back, plain and simple. He wants to keep talking about the code and respect for the league, well you’re not going to get any when you just say “Hey, um, don’t do that again.” And maybe give them a game suspension.
If you wanna make an omelet you gotta break a couple of eggs.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
couple things...
1. danny heatley killed a dude too, so i hope you believe he should never be allowed to play again (also the dude stallworth hit was drunk and jaywalking on a busy street at night, you wouldn’t have missed him either fwiw)
2. dog fighting? jesus, he served 2 years in jail, was publicly shamed and lost millions. is killing dogs terrible? yes. are the lives of 100 dogs worth that of one person? not even close. he did his time, he deserves the opportunity to still earn a living (plus if you wanna be pissed, stallworth did a couple months for killing that person, vick did 2 years for killing dogs, that’s retarded)
3. generalizing that all football players are assholes is dumb, just like generalizing that all hockey players are angels is too. douchebags play every sport, you just gotta look past it and realize that not everyone is an asshole .
"Put 2 on, put 10 on WHAT DO YOU CARE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PAYIN' FOR 'EM!!!!?"
-Doug Heffernan, in regards to Arthur and his stamp needs
he didn’t say “all football players”
he said, “its a lot more than 12”
to each his own
personally, i find it hard to root for, pay money to see, and otherwise support criminals
Uhh Jordan Staal was arrested once, if you remember.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
And I realize that he didn’t kill a person or an animal, but he went to jail too.
People make mistakes, and once they’ve paid for them, they are allowed back into the league…what’s wrong with that?
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
if there’s remorse and they’ve paid their due why not? But you get guys like Michael Vick & Gilbert Arenas who are fairly insensitive and remorseless… Even joking about it in games…
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Exactly. That’s when you have to think that enough is enough, you’re done. There’s a difference between Jordan Staal getting arrested for being too drunk at his brother’s bachelor party- which isn’t even being arrested, it’s called going to the Drunk Tank- and then threatening people with guns, killing people, killing dogs, etc. I mean come on, do you really think Vick has changed, especially now that he’s already in the news for being around shady activity again.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
Hey, I never said that killing dogs is worse than killing people. My point was that they are still illegal, if you do something illegal, with a certain degree, you should be reprimanded. If you’re arrested for public drunkenness, that’s different than running a dog fighting ring for years in your back yard. It is retarded how imbalanced shit is now in terms of crimes, but that’s how it goes: you get caught with a joint you could do a year in prison, but if a guy rapes a woman he can be out in months.
Heatley is a different story to me. He accidentally killed someone for doing what any human being would do: driving too fast in a car that was meant to drive too fast. And his toxicology report came back that he was under the limit of alcohol, so that’s no excuse. He wasn’t driving the car from Death Proof.
This all boils down to the old saying, a few rotten apples can spoil the bunch.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
Yeah, And A Former Raider Got Busted
I think the DaMarucs Russel, ex Raider, (not sure of spelling) was arrested for something this week; and I believe Chris Simms got busted last week, too.
The NHL guys seems to be much more down-to-earth, not so full fo themselves and do not get into the kind of trouble others—NFL, NBA, Baseball, etc., get in to.
One Who Lives And Breathes All Things Penguins
by PensFanInDenver on Jul 6, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball I don’t put into that category as much; it used to be back in the day players knew how to handle situations in their own clubhouse and wouldn’t let it leak out, and also the reporters that covered the teams were closer and wouldn’t write something that would damage the team as a whole. All of that has changed. There is that code in baseball that used to be very strict, but now it’s falling out because younger generations (my generation unfortunately) is just so full of assholes and selfish, catered to cry babies.
"Half the game is mental, the other half is being mental." - Jim McKenny
Hmmm, maybe LeBron could learn something from hockey players.
I agree with everything you said except this. It’s a little different in basketball right now. Teams are basically trading away players and not re-signing players in order to clear cap room for LeBron. They’re basically worshiping the ground he walks on. It’s like Shero said “We’re going to pay Sid what he wants to be paid.” If that’s 12 million dollars a year, then you better believe he’ll be paid that. The only this is, we all know it won’t be and that’s what’s so amazing about him and a lot of other players not named Kovalchuk.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
If I remember, after Sid was signed, Shero said something like ‘if Sid asked for the league max, I would have given it to him’
Yes, and Pat Brisson let out a big “DOH!” when Shero said that. ;-)
j/k, I’m sure he knew they could have asked for the moon and gotten it if they wanted to be greedy bastards.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 6, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
“What? Are we not going to pay Sidney Crosby?” Shero asked. “He’ll tell us what he wants us to pay him, and we’ll pay it.”
That quote means I will be a happy Pens fan for a very long time. It shows the sort of candor that exists between the management and the players and the Penguins are a much better team for it.
Ray Shero is the Sidney Crosby of GMs.
Seriously… when a guy like Mario or Gretzky or Sid is on your team, you pay them what they want to stay on your team…
A guy like Sid leading our team, we’ll be successful forever… I’m so happy to be a Pens fan… Let it be October already
I'm 21 now... I still feel 20 and I still feel way too old.
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Mario..
On top of that, what young player in his right mind is going to tell one of the greatest players in the history of the game, a guy that has beaten cancer, back problems, double- and triple-teams, constant hooking and slashes (back in the day the slashing and hooking was worse, obviously), that he wants more money to strap MARIO’S team financially? Seriously!? I wouldn’t have the marbles to do it. If a player does have that type of lack of respect towards the history of the game, you probably don’t belong in the NHL.
by Wags24 on Jul 6, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his relationship with Mario will be one of many reasons that Sid chooses to remain a Penguin even though he could make more money elsewhere. That and recognizing that he is the next Mario. He’s the leader and face of our team, and he takes that very seriously.
But I think the big reason he takes the discount is that he wants to win Stanley Cups. Not killing our cap space leaves room for other quality players, and we need those players to win championships. Watching the footage of Sid skating with the Stanley Cup, I’m sure that feeling was worth more to him than $2 million extra per year. He’s a multimillionaire for life, he doesn’t have to worry about money. His focus is on the Cup.
even though he could make more money elsewhere.
That’s what so awesome about this guy. He could make money ANYWHERE. Hell, he’s getting paid more per year by Reebok than most of the NHL players are period.
Yet, he knows his best chance for a Cup is in Pitt and he took a discount to stay there and probably will take another discount to keep that way.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
Ha! We agree! (-;
I was thinking of the Reebok money. Good point.
Although he’d do the same thing without it, I am sure.
the big reason he takes the discount is that he wants to win Stanley Cups. Not killing our cap space leaves room for other quality players, and we need those players to win championships…His focus is on the Cup.
THIS.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he re-signed for $8.7M/year. Again.
He loves that #.
Its a lot of $ even if it is a discount.
And he KNOWS Shero is going to: a) spend to the MAX, and b) spend wisely
He could go to the Islanders or the Panthers and make $10M/year, but he’d hate it.
Sid Staying A Pen
I think Crosby will be a Penguin for a very long time> And of course it has everything to do with Mr Mario.
Sid will be like Captin Joe Sakic of the Avs. I really believe that.
And that works well for us fans…
One Who Lives And Breathes All Things Penguins
by PensFanInDenver on Jul 6, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
An okay article, for Cook.
One thing to point out is that the Hawks have done a pretty good job (so far) at keeping their core together. Yes, their roster will look significantly different next year, but players like Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfuglien were not part of their core. I’d say the only one who might have been was Versteeg, but he’s a top-6 kind of guy who was relegated to playing on the third line, so it makes sense that they trade him. They’ve retained Hossa, Sharp, Kane, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook. Of course, they still have some distance to go before they have an actual team put together, but my point is that they’re managing to work at least a little bit of magic with a team that was previously pretty poorly managed. Yes, Shero has done a great job at managing the cap. But let’s not count the Hawks out just yet!
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
with a team that was previously pretty poorly managed.
How would you feel if you were a Hawks fan right now? I would feel pretty unhappy about the state of the team next year…very worried, as well.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
Trust me they don’t care. After 40+ years of no Cup, I know Hawks fans who said they’d gladly trade a few years of being down for the Cup this year.
They may not feel that way once the Hawks start playing next season. I think most of the Pens fans were at least a little guilty of having too high expectations and, after you’ve won a Cup, it’s natural to have those expectations.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
Fans are fickle like that. Of course they won’t feel that way when the games start next season. But ask Hawks fans if they would give up some of those ‘fan favorites’ this year so that they could win their first Cup in 40+ years, they would gladly do it.
Just remember how long it seemed for us, and it was only what, 16 years? Now imagine throwing a few more decades on that lol.
i’m afraid that’ll this year’s Hawks are gonna end up like the Bears in 85 where fans eventually live in that moment whilst their team languishes in irrelevancy… I don’t wish that on any fan… Living through the Bulls post-Jordan years were more than enough for me.
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Well if you’re still a Bulls fan I have a feeling it’s about to get a whole lot more exciting again lol.
it got better after signing Rose… Now that Noah’s waking up, regardless if LeBron signs with us I’m happy…
Unless we blow our new cap space on a middle tier lifer like David Lee, then I’ll be pissed.
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i’m thinking neither… I’d say sign a PF (Bosh!) and a couple of loaners and get Melo next year. He’s a better fit.
On a sidenote: do you think we’re getting dirty looks all around for turning this into an NBA FA thread?
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Yes, but it’s freaking July, so whatever.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 6, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking neither as well, but then the whole DWade-has-kids-in-Chitown-and-he’s-from-Chicago thing came into play.
I say he leaves Miami for his kids and goes to Chicago…just to rattle the Heat faithful. Kind of like a reversal of fortune, you know? A week ago they were supposed to have Wade, Bosh, AND LeBron.
I’m thinking that LBJ stays in Clevland and that Bosh goes to another team…so there’s no dream “alliance” like people expected.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
It is going to be another good year in Da Burgh. Adding some key free agent defensemen and keeping Cooke. There are some young guys in WBS who are chomping at the bit to get thier chance to prove themselves and I believe they will do it successfully. A new gorgeous areana. This is definitely a great time to be a pens fan. Now only if the buccos can take a look at the mgmt and ownership of the pens and take a few notes.
ehh..I’m selfish and say let’s keep Lemieux and Burkle to ourselves. Let the Pirates bathe in their own bullheaded misery.
I've told [a 9 months pregnant] Nathalie that she can't have the baby on a game night. I'm not missing a playoff game. -Mario Lemieux in 1993
by PensFan8725 on Jul 6, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1000
Sorry to all you real Pittsburghers, but I don’t give two $hits about the Pirates and would prefer to see our guys focused on the Pens and not worried about battling the Yankees or Red Sox.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Jul 6, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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