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Your Picks for Mount Pensmore

We've touched on it a bit here, mainly because Kellyn brought up the subject a few weeks ago based on a recent post over on In Lou We Trust.  Well, I s'pose it's high time we get into the swing of things and start constructing our own Mount Pensmore.

Remember, four picks and four picks only.  I was thinking about tossing up a poll, but I didn't think it'd be fair to pick only one with your vote.  So instead, let's see what four-Penguin combo we get in the comments and then I'll consider tossing the different combos into a poll.

Does that work?

If you're looking for inspiration or suggestions, the Trib-Review recently put together a few heads for the All-Time Penguins Team. Odds are you'll be using four from that list anyway, so it's worth a look.

Go crazy.

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I think we can still put a poll in there… I’m fairly sure Mario, Sid & Jagr are locks… It’s that last spot that’s a squeaker…

This is going WAY left field here but I would love to see Mike Lange as our 4th face…

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by Alighieri on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Crosby

by et_pitt on Aug 10, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

That’s about the right order, too.

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by bryanewyatt on Aug 11, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux, Francis, Jagr & Crosby

by Francis10#1 on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby.

by Lindas1st on Aug 10, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

66 gets two spots. One as player and One as Owner.

by Lindas1st on Aug 10, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha… Nice!

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by Alighieri on Aug 10, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wouldn’t be too surprised if it happened.

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by Richard R on Aug 11, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I said

Over on Puck Daddy when they put up the first mount Puckmore. That 4th spot is tricky. I mentioned Malkin for it and folks went apeshit. I agree, it’s too early to put him up there, especially with this season so fresh in our minds, but he did win the Con Smythe and was the X-factor in the last two rounds of the successful cup run. I think if Lemieux doesn’t get two (kinda silly), then Francis or Barrasso. Mike Lange is a nice thought, but eh, I’d rather a player, coach, GM or owner.

by Max Powers on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Crosby, Pronovost

by stoopidtom on Aug 10, 2010 10:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No Sid for you PAYD?

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering all the greats the Pens have had and that Sid has only played five seasons, I don’t think it’s too out of the box.

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by red army line on Aug 11, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like RAL said. Sid has done some great things but he also has so much ahead of him.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 11, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree … sid is great and has even greater things ahead of him and he will one day be on pensmore for sure but for now hes still very fresh when plenty of other great and worthy players have paved the way for him

by jeremystyle on Aug 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

the definition of this Mt Pensmore project needs defining… I think it was for most recognizable Penguin… In that case Sid’s a lock… In fact that was how I came up with my list…

But you’re right. Sid still has a lot more ahead of him… As does Geno, MAF, Tangers I & II, Staalsy etc…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’re starting to look a little too far into it. I’d look at it as “If you can only nominate four people to the Penguins Hall of Fame, who would they be?”

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by FrankD on Aug 11, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going with the starting definition that was given in Puck Daddy…

These four people are who you remember most when you think of these teams — whether they be players, coaches or executives

Although to me, my 4 fills both your criteria & mine.

Mario – Mr. Pittsburgh Penguins
Sid – Face & Future of the Franchise
Lange – Voice (since before Mario)
Jagr is the only elephant in the room who I can’t attach a label to (plus his defection did leave a slightly sour taste in my mouth) but his achievements speak for themselves…

But you’re right Frank… It’s getting tough to keep straight.

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that’s the criteria, for me I might have to bump Kehoe. No one really thinks Rick Kehoe when you think Penguins. And as great as Mike Lange is, this list really isn’t for him, it’s for people that actually won games, not talked about them.

I agree with your other picks. If it’s memorable Penguins than I think today in 2010 you have to have Lemieux, Jagr and Crosby on there. The 4th could be Malkin — he’s the most visible one left, but arguments for Francis, Stevens, Barrasso and even maybe Fleury could be made.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, I lobbied for Kehoe on the last one…didn’t get much support. But the guy is a Pen through and through and at least deserves mention….

I’d go with:

1. Mario Lemieux
2. Jaromir Jagr (like him or not, at this point in time he’s a LOCK for #2 Penguin All TIme
3. Sidney Crosby (Already done enough in a Pen uniform to warrant inclusion
4. Rick Kehoe or Badger Bob

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 11, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case, I might want to make a quick note about guys like Kaspar & Mullins…

If you’re gonna dump Lange (NO DON’T DO IT!!!), I’d pick a replacement from Badger Bob, Kaspar, Stevens or Mullins…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaspar? Sounds like a bit of a stretch. I enjoyed him when he played for the Pens but I don’t automatically associate him with the franchise.

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by FrankD on Aug 12, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

my opinion is somewhat skewed because I wasn’t around much…

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by Alighieri on Aug 12, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all good. Don’t get me wrong, the guy was a ton of fun to watch, but he’s right up there with Matt Barnaby. A guy you loved in Pittsburgh but really wasn’t the staple piece of the franchise.

Although his OT goal against the Sabres was pretty fantastic. And his ability to find Lindros wherever he was on the ice was kind of nice too.

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by FrankD on Aug 12, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s really good in-season. Wyshynski is awesome, Sean Leahy is a Pens fan (and a cool dude) and they’re getting Justin Bourne to write more and more and he always has a good inside take on things.

Wyshi has at least a pro-Caps bias and gives them more attention than they deserve, but that’s because he too lives in this area and it’s the team he gets the most access to, so I guess it’s only natural.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments are the best part…we get to truly see the intelligence of the interwebz. Or….lack there of.

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by tehchico on Aug 11, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The comments there never fail to amuse me :)

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by Sid the captain on Aug 11, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel unfaithful or something when I comment on Puck Daddy…

Most of them could barely sit down without a map anyhow…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t feel unfaithful. Feel superior to those around you.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the logic that gets you ahead.

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by FrankD on Aug 12, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Leahy used to have his own blog, “Going Five Hole”, but he shut the doors on that back in January 2009 to focus on Puck Daddy. He said it was temporary, but given that it’s closing in on 2 years since the beginning of his hiatus, I think it’s safe to call the time of death.

Wysh is a Devils fan, not a Caps fan. He’s said so.

And agreed on the comments section. It’s a freakin’ cesspool.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is a Devils fan but his editorial slant is pretty favorable to the Caps, it’s pretty obvious to me.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 12, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think preferable to the Caps OVER the Pens. And his Devils fandom comes through on occasion but it seems like he keeps a cap on it because he knows he’ll be called a homer for it.

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by FrankD on Aug 12, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, Caps fans keep calling him a Penguins fan, so there’s that. Nobody likes him. :)

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

and wouldn’t be surprised to see him not be on there, but would the Pens even be the Pittsburgh Penguins if Sid hadn’t arrived and 2005. I realize that Mario played a huge part in that as well, but could he have done it without a new superstar playing?

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by PensFan8725 on Aug 11, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely not… which is why I assumed he’d be a lock…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario Lemieux, Sidney Crosby, Chris Bourque, Evgeni Malkin

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Since Sid and Geno are considered to be a two-headed monster (hate that nickname), they should only count as one. So you can squeeze Rico Fata in there if you want.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 10, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Malkin deserves his own place. He’s our Conn Smythe winner after all.

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only question is, why do you think Malkin is worthy of being amongst the other three?

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by FrankD on Aug 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he’s my favorite player and I have his jersey
And because he has the cutest parents of any Penguin in history

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then what’s your support for Chris Bourque?

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by FrankD on Aug 10, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well… the most deserving are probably Sid, Mario, Jagr, and Geno. But I didn’t want to pick Mr. Dying Alive so I made a substitution.

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know the Pens really couldn’t have afforded to keep Jagr anyway, dying alive or not.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 10, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not holding it against him that he left the team. But the bad attitude, the lack of leadership, asking to be traded and complaining that he felt like he was dying alive on my team… I’m sure all of that is understandable and forgivable, and I know he did a lot for the organization. I just don’t want to put him on my imaginary mountain. I only want giant carvings of players that give me happy fuzzy feelings.

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, it’s your imaginary mountain ;-)

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 10, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jags complained he was “dying alive”, yes, but he also knew that even if the Pens could keep him on, they wouldn’t be able to re-sign him when it was time. Putting pressure on the Pens to trade him a.) Takes the “bad guy” label off the team (for trading Captain/Best player) and puts it on himself and b.) ensures the Pens get some return for him (even if they F’d that up!) instead of him walking for nothing….

His contributions and and high points definitely outweigh the rocky departure and low points, IMO.

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 11, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The back story of him playing the martyr… is that an opinion or is it fact?

Because if it was fact, my respect for the guy just got some huge boost…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Kris Beech. My favorite joke.

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by FrankD on Aug 10, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the joke?

by Cari on Aug 11, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

His career

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by FrankD on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I actually spit out my morning coffee on this one!

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by tehchico on Aug 11, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy to help.

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by FrankD on Aug 11, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why, but I’m surprised Jagr ranks so high amongst Penguins fans. A lot of Devils fans have eliminated Scott Niedermayer from the Devils Mount Puckmore despite spending twice as much of his career as a Devil than as a Duck because of his defection to Anaheim. I’m surprised Jagr’s lack of loyalty doesn’t count against him in the eyes of many Pens fans.

And for the record, as a part-time Penguins fan, I’d choose Lemieux, Crosby and Badger Bob Johnson. I’m a little iffy on the fourth member of the Mount, but I’d probably have to say Barrasso for backstopping the Penguins to two Stanley Cups.

by kellyn on Aug 10, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Jagr is 2nd on the team all-time points list and 2nd in playoff points list, both by large margins. He was the best player in the league for a 4-5 year period. He’s still far and away the 2nd best player in team history.

by et_pitt on Aug 10, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree with you. His lack of loyalty counts against him for me… not just leaving, but “dying alive” blah blah

Although, I’m sure my age factors into it — I didn’t have a very sophisticated appreciation of hockey during the JJ glory years, so I don’t remember him the way I will remember Malkin someday, having watched every highlight and interview since he joined the Pens.

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno… The “Should We Retire Jagr’s Jersey?” thread made a believer out of me… Plus it’s hard not to enjoy both our early cups without watching Jagr make fools out of everyone who laces against him…

Sure his “dying alive” comment stinks but you’d be hard pressed to find another player who’s as good…

That & if we count his comments against him, we’d have to eliminate Barrasso too…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still see him

as a Penguin. That’s the main reason I watched the Czech Republic at the Olympics, and cheered for them against Russia (of course, Russia has some other players I don’t like).
I’m stilll a Jagr fan.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Russia has some other players I don’t like).

Now, who could that be?

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by PensFan8725 on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Pechurski… /nods grimly/

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OHHH!
Thanks for reminding me.

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by PensFan8725 on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

incidentally where is he? Are we gonna see him in a Pens uniform soon?

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he’s back in the KHL for this season. I heard The Tri-City Americans signed a goalie, so that likely means that Pechurskiy’s time there is through.

I can’t tell, though, because Tri-City’s website still has the 2009-2010 roster up, and he’s still listed on Magnitogorsk’s site.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The dude’s like, 12 years old. In a rare predicament where the Pens were left with no options, other than an extremely embarrassing night from John Curry, he got his shot. I’m still amazed at how this rocketed him to cult-like praise.

But yes, I reckon he’s back in the KHL. Which should hopefully allow people to forget about him for a little while and allow his Roy-like praise to die down to more of a post-Calder, Andrew Raycroft-like level

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by FrankD on Aug 12, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s important to note that he’s played a grand total of 2 games comprising 31 minutes at the KHL level.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

cough cough

not naming any names here
/cue Evill Sid Crosby doing his “OVECHKIN!!” scene from the roadtrip commercial

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semyon Varlamov? Alexander Semin? Sergei Fedorov? Viktor Kozlov?

Hopefully soon, Evgeni Kuznetsov and Stanislav Galiev.

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by red army line on Aug 12, 2010 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

/shakes head

Stanislav Chistov.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, those guys too.
Actually, everyone except Geno, Gonch, and… yeah that’s about it.
I used to like Kovi, Nabakov, and Bryzgalov though

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by Leafer87 on Aug 12, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Bryzgalov…and Malkin…and Gonchar and maybe Datsyuk but that’s about it.

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by PensFan8725 on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't stand him

Datsyuk’s so good it makes me mad.
That’s how I felt about almost all the Wings after ’08

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by Leafer87 on Aug 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t help but admire his skills, though, or dream of Staal fully growing into that mold over the years.

by Skyff on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basic Hockey Math:

Leafs Fan + Penguins Fan = The Wings are Stupid.

Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.

by PopRocks on Aug 12, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

Y’know, I used to think I was the only serious Leafs/Pens fan in the world.
Thank you for enlightening me.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had a number of people come out of the closet…so to speak…during the playoffs.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

helps that we are so awesome…

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by Alighieri on Aug 12, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux – obvious
Jagr – despite dying alive in Pittsburgh, he was the best player in the league for about 5-6 years and unquestionably the 2nd best player in team history (check out Jagr highlights on youtube. you’ll crap yourself)
Crosby – arguably the best player in the league for the last 3 years
Bob Johnson – Scott Bowman took orders from Badger Bob. all I need

by mcnulty4prez on Aug 10, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

JJ’s Top 10 could rival ANYONES!

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

66, 68, 87, 71

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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 10, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Happy to see another Malkin supporter!

by Cari on Aug 10, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is

a man-beast, and my fav Pen!

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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 10, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Picks

But Malkin will not be a lifer like Sid and Mario. JMO.

Better: Mario, Sid, Badger Bob, Franice or Kehoe

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Malkin will not be a lifer like Sid and Mario.

It’s way too early to say that. It might turn out to be true, but there are far too many variables in the mix to know about that.

Then again, that uncertainty might be a good enough reason to leave Malkin of the current list.

Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.

by PopRocks on Aug 11, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he will be a lifer, I know it’s too early to tell.

It’s that gut feeling I have, or one has. I simply feel Sid will never leave but cannot say the same for others.

Yes, I would agree to leave Malkin off the current list.

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on both counts.

by kellyn on Aug 11, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my thinking. I love Geno, and his Conn Smythe for us definitely warrants him consideration, but I can’t shake the feeling that he is going to be leaving someday….so I’ll reserve consideration until proven wrong…

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Coffey, Crosby, Fluery

A goalie, a dman, and 2 forwards one of each side of the game and two old time greats and 2 future stars in the making

by TonyAndrock on Aug 10, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Kehoe, Crosby

Kehoe has to have a place. He’s 4th all-time in games played for the franchise and 3rd all time in points. As in no one other than 66 or 68 has more points than Rick Kehoe.

If that’s not enough, Kehoe spent parts of 16 seasons behind the bench, mostly as an assistant coach. That’s more than a lifetime for an NHL coach.

Kehoe isn’t as flashy or well known, but I think you’d be hard pressed to make a case that over the course of 25+ years that he doesn’t deserve a little recognition.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 12:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I’d still go with Francis over Kehoe. Francis is 4th in team scoring, just 23 points behind Kehoe despite almost 200 less games. Francis is 4th in franchise playoff scoring, the all-time leader in playoff +/- and was probably the 2nd best player on two cup teams; Kehoe scored just 4 goals in 37 career playoff games. Longevity is a factor, but Francis played 8 seasons with the Pens, just 3 less than Kehoe. Francis is simply an all-time great, and Kehoe is not.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that case could be made. The Rushmore Francis belongs on is the Hartford/Carolina franchise though. He was great with the Pens but Kehoe contributed in the ‘70s, ’80s, ’90s and 2000’s. No one else, in direct hockey operations can say that for this team, save Greg Malone.

 I know excludes Mike Lange but there’s a difference in being behin a mic and being on the ice or behind the bench that long.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 1:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can a guy not be on two Mount "Teams"mores? I still think Francis’ greatness trumps Kehoe’s longevity with the team.

I agree on Lange. I love the guy, but he isn’t contributing to wins and losses in any way.

I’m sticking with Lemieux, Francis, Jagr, Crosby. I’d doubt any franchise could put together a Rushmore of 4 players better than that. Maybe Edmonton? Montreal?

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you could be on two — (Patrick Roy may have a case there) but to me I don’t think Francis did enough here. He came at the deadline, played 6 full seasons, and had 1 lockout half year. Yeah Francis was an awesome player, but I give the nod to someone who dedicated practically their entire professional life to the franchise other than a guy who just played here for some years and then went on.

Guess I value the overall contribution and you’re going for the greatness. And while Francis was really special and for periods of time was the Pens best player, he often times was the 3rd option on the team behind any combo of Lemieux, Jagr, Stevens, Coffey or Tocchet.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. I just think Francis is a vastly underrated player, and he was on the Pens long enough to get the spot. His contributions to the Pens seem at least as high as Kehoe’s despite not being a life-long Pen.

Other guys that will be on two are Messier and Gretzky for sure. Roy will definitely be on Avs, the Habs might have too many other greats, but who knows. There are probably some others I’m forgetting.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Lange's allowed

because play-by-play anouncers aren’t officially part of the “team”, and the Leafs are excluding Foster Hewitt.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, as much as I love Ronnie Francis, I can’t claim him as a Pen outright. I think most people are split between thinking of him as a Penguin and a Whaler/Cane…

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 11, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Kehoe is a beast. Definitely the best Mount Puckmore suggestion I’ve seen so far.

by Mario's Mullet on Aug 11, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Sid, Jagr, Kehoe

I think Francis over Kehoe. What about Mike Lange?

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I said above — this list is more for players/coaches/owners — people in hockey operations that actually won games.

Mike Lange is a legend and synonymous with the Pens, but only Presidents are on Mount Rushmore, not say, Supreme Court justices.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d still want to make that case for him… Our line of success only really started in the late 80s & early 90s. There just aren’t enough names with the same longevity & symbolism that Lange provides… He may only be a supremem court justice, but he’s a damned good one…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby,...

and Orpik. Imagine the stare. On second thought, that would probably scare me from actually enjoying it.

So I’d pick among Briere, Coffey, Barrasso, or Francis.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 11, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

As noble as it might be to consider Briere, I don’t think he’d get consideration for something like this. Maybe if he played a decade or so with the Pens it’d be a possibility. I just think that his short time with the Pens, no matter the tragic outcome, more or less rules him out.

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by FrankD on Aug 11, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the parameters of the Mt Pensmore project was to pick out the most recognizable personalities that you’d associate the Pens to…

Briere’s a sad story but you’d be hard pressed to find any casual Penguins fan who’d know of him without a foray into wikipedia..

Mike Lange, however, is considered a living legend & one of the best on the mic in the hockey world… I have a soft spot for the guy as he was the guy who was bringing me the game before I had the capacity to watch them online for myself…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

My goal was to identify someone from before the 90’s. Briere was the only person that I thought fit the bill. Understandably, he is not one of the most recognizable players, but it was worth a shot to see what people thought.

I also am not too heavy on Coffey since he made a name for himself elsewhere. So really it comes down to Barrasso and Francis for me.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buchberger, Fata, Holzinger, Surovy

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by BobPurkey34 on Aug 11, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is so easy...

Aubin, Nordgren, Abid, Butenschoen

or how about Mount Favorite Yinzer Whipping Boys — Whitney, Melichar, Fleury, and….

by King Oskar on Aug 11, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sivek!

No, wait, he whips his goalies.

by JustinM on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, reference fail. That was Surovy.

by JustinM on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kraft, Surovy and Beech are locks...

… tight battle for the 4th spot… may be Fata

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by Bla Razor on Aug 12, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tomas Surovy reference is always a rec from me.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Crosby, Jagr… I haven’t followed hockey enough to pick the fourth, but surely those three are lock ins

by andrew21nz on Aug 11, 2010 5:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Same with me

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

For me it’s Mario, Crosby, Badger Bob as shoe ins, and then a tie between Francis / Jagr and Kehoe.

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by Sid the captain on Aug 11, 2010 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

rico fata x4

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by lbsubstylee on Aug 11, 2010 6:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually LOL’ed a little when it came to the Ottawa one… If we were to make a funny Mt Pensmore article like they did, I’d say Fata too… Plus he is the most recognizable Penguin from our dark ages…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Badger Bob, Crosby, Briere

by jevans on Aug 11, 2010 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Crosby, and the Lucky Clover

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by tehchico on Aug 11, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Somehow it seems to me

that Dave Burrows belongs in this conversation for the same reasons that Jean Pronovost and Rick Kehoe belong.

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by SubLime on Aug 11, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it interesting you put Burrows and not Stackhouse from that era. Or Randy Carlyle the only Norris winner in franchise history.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stackhouse and Carlyle

were both better offensively and were good players. Of course Stackhouse was a fan whipping boy (unfairly IMO), while Carlyle seems to me to be more identified with Winnipeg.

I like Burrows because he was a grossly underrated (nationally), stay-home defenseman that was our most consistent player in the early years. Additionally, he was a fan favorite to the degree that I could put him up against Pronovost as the “face of the franchise” from that era.

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by SubLime on Aug 11, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Always like hearing the “old days” talk (not that YOU’RE old, of course).

I bet Stackhouse and Ryan Whitney would have a good time over a beer one day. Both got it a little too harsh, IMO, and unfortunately there’s a lot of venom coming Goligoski’s way in the stands. I guess something about offensive defensemen always drives people crazy. Unless you’re like Bobby Orr or Paul Coffey good, of course.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it’s too easy for people to forget this was GoGo’s first full season in the NHL.
Give him a year or two, to mature out of the worst defensive hickups, and he’ll be great player for us, for years to come.
You’ve got a point about offensive defensemen driving people nuts, just look at Mike Green.

by Skyff on Aug 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but can we really call Mike Green a defenseman?

Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.

by PopRocks on Aug 11, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Negative

He’s just a forward in disguise.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

GoGo

If he could gain some bulk/grit and strenght, that would help him alot. and us.

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re including current players:
Mario, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin
If not:
Mario, Jagr, Francis, Barrasso

by Skyff on Aug 11, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Current players are allowed

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I was kinda hoping it wasn’t. Not that I have anything against Crosby or Malkin, but they can’t even grow a proper beard yet, and as such I’m a bit dubious about their legitimacy for something like this.. but they’re just too good to leave off.
Although, I guess it makes sense to have the two defining players of each cup era making up the list.

by Skyff on Aug 11, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Growing A Beard

Sid just needs to use better Sharpies!!!!!!! LOL
Poor Sid, everyone makes fun of his lack of facial hair……

Sid, of course. And he will be a Pen for life, as Mario has been/owner.

Maybe we should do two seperate lists: former players/current. New school/old school.

Then a third list…..

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not going to do a direct post of this image because it’s quite large, but click the link and scroll right to the right about 3/4 of the way.

by JustinM on Aug 11, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious!!!!!!

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The werewolf makes me laugh :)

Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.

by PopRocks on Aug 11, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was hilarious!!

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s alot out there we could use but I think you gotta go with…
Mario – No brainer
Sid – The only reason besides Mario we still have a team here
Badger Bob – How do you not pick bob?
Mike Lange – Easily the voice of Pittsburgh

by Nick McCurdy on Aug 11, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Sid, Stevens, Trottier.

With Stevens and Trottier yelling at a statue of Brian Bellows.

by RuthenianCowboy on Aug 11, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Crosby , and Barrasso

The all-time best penguins. Mario and Crosby need no explanation, but without Jagr we would have never won our first two cups, so say what you want but he deserves his spot, and Barrasso was the best goalie to ever put on a penguins uniform (for now).

by Will87 on Aug 11, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Ron Francis, Kevin Stevens

I would put Crosby, but he’s only been in the league for a few seasons. Ask again in 10 years and he’ll be there.

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by GoPenguins on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Should we really leave him off just because he hasn’t been here long enough?
The way I look at it, if Sid’s career ended today (knocking on wood), would he be in the top 4 greatest Pens ever?
With as much as I know about Pens history, I’d say yes.
Now I’m going to go do some rituals to make sure the guy plays for like 20 more seasons.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This honestly looks about right to me.

I love Crosby, but gosh, I love Francis and Stevens even more.

Surprised at the utter lack of love for Joey Mullen in this thread, too. Not even a mention.

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by wg1of5 on Aug 11, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As great as he was, and as great a guy as he was, he wasn’t top 4, sadly.

by JustinM on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and even though Mullen was good, he was a complimentary piece of the puzzle here and his best years were elsewhere.

Mullen definitely belongs in the Penguins hall of fame, but I don’t think he’s quite Top 4 material either. But hey, there’s some pretty good Presidents that didn’t make the cut (get it?) to get on Mount Rushmore too.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

GROAAAAAAAAAAAAN

You have to admit, though, that the top 4 have pretty chiseled features.

by JustinM on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long were you saving that one?

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

For exactly the time it took me to respond to Hooks. :)

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Barrasso, Badger Bob, and Jagr.

None of the current folks have been around long enough to deserve it yet.

by JustinM on Aug 11, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Second that

arriving late and had to go through the whole thread to see if someone has already picked same as I would… and here’s my man, Justin:)

Not that it’s some sort of a rule, but I’d never include current players in such kind of discussion… seems to me like having not retired players in the HoF

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by Bla Razor on Aug 12, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mario(jersey), Mario(suit),Jagr(with mullet),Crosby(other fans would cringe at his sight…so he’s a keeper)

by AronV on Aug 11, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Crosby

with his “beard”
Now that would make anyone cringe

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Beard

Can you imagine? No one would know it was him!

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario, Badger Bob, Barrasso and Jagr. Despite the circumstances around him leaving, Mario has no Cups without him, right?

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by WyoMountie on Aug 11, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Well 2009 but that may not exactly count :)

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. But Jesus, he (Jagr) could take over a game, eh?

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by WyoMountie on Aug 11, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s half the reason I’m a Pens fan :) There’s no way that I would consider leaving him off this list, just because of the way things ended. Same goes for the whole retirement debate.

by Skyff on Aug 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jersey retirement that is.

by Skyff on Aug 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still probably win the 1st cup at least, Jagr was just a rookie and not really that big of a factor.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario's a shoe in,

then things get a bit more well, if, then….
but since you’re asking for 4 picks and 4 picks only:
Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr, Badger Bob Johnson, and Tom Barrasso

by ImRB on Aug 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Question about Barrasso

Was Barrasso a particularly great goalie? Or was he of the Niemi ilk, where he played well behind a good team? I know Barrasso was part of the early cup winning teams, and he had the whole snub-the-media thing going on, but his stats aren’t stunning or anything.

So what puts Barrasso into the top 4?

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by PopRocks on Aug 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm wondering too

although I’ve heard he was the best goalie in the franchise, which is why I suggested he be in the top 4

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barrasso was one of the better goalies in the league for a period of time, and like Fleury it seemed like he would give up 3-5 goals a game but also make the huge save when the team needed it the most. Also like Fleury the Pens would often hang him out to dry and make him look bad at times.

Barrasso’s not in my personal top 4, but I think you can make the case. He’s not a slam dunk because he’s not an all-time great goalie, but he was definitely solid and a reliable part of the team for many years.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my mind, Barrasso was a very good but certainly not an elite goalie. He came up huge many times in the playoffs, but he also had some playoff moments that many people would rather forget (Fitzgerald), which can probably be said of any goalie that played as many playoff games as Barrasso did.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there was an Mount anti-Pensmore, he’d be the first face on there.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mount Suckmore!

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Crosby

by CGNC on Aug 11, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jags, Sid, Geno. ’Nuff said.

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by cyroose on Aug 11, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Pronovost, Kehoe, Lemieux, Jagr.

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Aug 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Lemieux, Mario Lemieux, and Craig Adams

by Euroclydon on Aug 11, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that second guy this guy?

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 11, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Man, what a career. Just look at the years he played in most of those places. In 84-85 he was on three teams on two different levels. Insane.

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by FrankD on Aug 11, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he played in 7 different pro leagues.

by JustinM on Aug 12, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alain Lemieux FTW! Love it

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by cyroose on Aug 12, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s up y’all? Been away for awhile, missed chatting with all of you dedicated Pens fans hope you’re as geared up for the season as me…
Anyways, Puck Daddy says that its the “four defining faces of their franchise” that they’re looking for. Which is pretty vague but basically emilinates guys like: Francis, Barrasso, Mullen, Tocchet, Stevens, Recchi etc
I’ve decided to go with 3 players and 1 non-player. This was tougher than it looks but after careful consideration its gotta be; LEMIEUX-JAGR-CROSBY and one of (Badger Bob Johnson, Craig Patrick or Mike Lange)

by #87isGOD on Aug 11, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah and I loved the mock posts on here so I’m gonna throw in;
Jani Rita, Dan Focht, Richard Lintner and Petr Skudra!
I know what you’re thinking; how the hell can you leave out Roman Simicek, Billy Tibbets, Vladimir Vujtek, Ryan VandenBussche, Chris & Peter Ferrarro, Matt Hussey, Dan Trebil, Joe Dziedzic, Andreas Johansson, Matt Murley, Lasse Pirjeta, Dan Kesa, Hans Jonsson, Steve Poapst, Martin Strbak, Shane Endicott, Pavel Skrbek, Guillaume Lefebvre and of course Konstantin Koltsov??? Well with talent level like this not everyone can make the cut:)

by #87isGOD on Aug 11, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll toss in Robert Dome, Milan Kraft, Alex Hicks and Chris Tamer!

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

darn, Dome, I totally forgot about him when posting above

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by Bla Razor on Aug 12, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I haven’t seen him mentioned as much as I thought/he should be. I had high hopes for Dome….lol.

by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 12, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Like That

I like that, your “#87 is GOD.” I really like that and agree!
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Replacing “began posting in June” with “began posting in July” and you’ve got exactly what I was going to say

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by Leafer87 on Aug 11, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

you chose a really s*** time to get into PB huh?

Wait till you try a game thread… those are a hoot!

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i miss game threads. I MISS OLEN. WHERE IS HE?

we're not trading jordan staal.

by katielynn906 on Aug 11, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game Threads

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by PensFan8725 on Aug 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I finally made an account on SBN because this summer crazy long.
Makes me wonder how I survived the lockout…

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by Leafer87 on Aug 12, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the community!
And I like your pic of Sid sleeping with his baby; priceless

by #87isGOD on Aug 12, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

I love that photo, too. And hoping he can do it again, this season…

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 12, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And many more to come…

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by Leafer87 on Aug 12, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Lange

by SuMac on Aug 11, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

66, 68, 87

The 4th is tough. I could justify Lange, Kehoe, any Hall of Fame Penguins Cup winner, Bathgate, Carylye, Badger Bob, and even Malkin. If it is the most recognizable, I think you have to pick Lange. The best ever? Bob Johnson. One that was great and carried the team? Kehoe. There are many legitimate 4th selections.

by Justin K on Aug 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m going with:

Lemieux – Obvious. Saved the franchise twice over.

Jagr – I initially thought no on him due to dying alive etc etc. However, if we’re talking about faces of the franchise, who doesn’t always think of the 90s pens and immediately think of him (and his beastly mullet) plowing through a teams defense? He was definitely iconic. He was and still is a household name, hockey fanatic or not.

Crosby – Yeah, he’s young and all, but just imagine if we placed 30th in the lottery… Plus he’s already accomplished plenty. Granted, tenure is important, but not as important as other criteria you could consider. No matter what happens, recounts of Pens history will probably always dedicate more words to Crosby than the alternatives you could pick for his spot. These past few years have been crucial to the franchise.

Lange – Ok, so maybe he’s not the defining face, but when/if you’ve played street hockey, who’s voice is doing play-by-play in your head? He’s so good at what he does that he’s the only reason I’ve bothered listening to sports on the radio.

Ideally, I’d consider Badger Bob (or perhaps some great player farther back than my knowledge of Pens history goes) as a suitable replacement for Lange though, cause it’s close.

by illbottleya on Aug 11, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Aps was the best goalie in Penguin history by all accounts so far. Tommy won 2 cups but lost one all by himself to F- ing Voleck. I was at the game, and will never forget it.

by Outcast on Aug 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Crosby for sure…either Barrasso or Francis, I’ll go with Barrasso.

by Akshay R on Aug 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

lemieux, crosby, jagr, badger bob.
write it down.

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by katielynn906 on Aug 11, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Mario, Jagr, Francis, Barrasso.

I know everyone will probably hate me but at the end of the day, does the majority think that Crosby will be better than those listed above besides Barrasso? I’m not so sure, and that’s why I think it’s too early to put his face up there. I think most people forget how many points Francis had in his career, and he was there for two Cups.

Just think, 95-96 Pens. I still think they were better than the 92-93 team. Hell, think either of those two years. That’s why Crosby should be left off.

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by lolredwings on Aug 11, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i said crosby because he revived the franchise. even if he doesn’t achieve as much (and he may not considering they played in two different eras), he brought attention and a breath of life to the pens.
i don’t know if this makes sense. i took a final today. if it doesn’t, yell and i’ll try to explain.

we're not trading jordan staal.

by katielynn906 on Aug 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In terms of scoring with the Pens, Crosby will be #2 in scoring more than likely in the next 10 years (probably less).
My argument is if Sid wouldn’t of been here in 2005, would we still be calling the Pens the Pittsburgh Pens. If this mount Pensmore thing is based on the defining faces of the franchise, I don’t know how being the men (Sid and 66) that kept the team in Pitt can’t be on there. Obviously, Mario, but if the contest isn’t about the best players and more about defining players, then Sid absolutely has to be on there. Within 5 years, Sid will be in the top 4 players anyways but that’s beside the point.

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by PensFan8725 on Aug 11, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Frank & I had this conversation further up…

Without Sid, there’d be no Penguins now… He made hockey relevant again in Pgh…

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

conversation about the definition of Pensmore… not whether Sid should be in it because DUH!

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by Alighieri on Aug 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This!

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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 12, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it makes sense

I see your point and that makes things even more difficult. While Crosby was a big factor in reviving the franchise, the Messiah from Montreal had to lay a lot of the foundation. I live in Michigan and the Red Wings are like Pepsi and Coke – you’d never have to see another commercial about them and you’d remember them for life. Lemieux has set up one of the best marketing teams I’ve ever seen and he started this when I was thinking "Who the [Gretzky] is Ramzi Abid?

And the only reason I said “besides Barrasso” was because he was a goalie and not a dominating forward. This is no easy list for Penguins fans as we’ve had probably 2nd best US goalie and 2nd best US forward of all-time lace up a lot of games as a Pen. The Red Wings will have a goat anus of a time deciding their top 4.

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by lolredwings on Aug 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty suprised that Craig Patrick isn’t getting more recognition. Sure he made a couple of the worst trades in NHL history (Naslund & Jagr) and came over from another organization, but he also made some darn good ones (Mullen & Francis, heck even Johan Hedberg), drafted Jagr in 1990 and was with the organization for 15+ years…

by #87isGOD on Aug 12, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

lemieux, jagr, crosby, malkin

Where’s the love for Malkin? Only non Mario penguin to win the Conn Smythe. Also, going into this year’s playoffs he was 4th all time in post season points per game. 2 of the 3 ahead of him are on this list. The other guy, his name is Wayne something or other.

by JIBSteel on Aug 12, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I remember makig friends with a kid in kindergarten because his name was Wayne.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 12, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Barrasso

with extra granite on the side for Sid and Malkin

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by JazzyBBP on Aug 12, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

No votes for GMRS?

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by spookygeek on Aug 12, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Shero’s been around for just a few years. Most of the core (Malkin, Fleury, Crosby) he didn’t even draft! If Shero does end up on this list in like 10 years that would be a very good thing though.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 12, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He might get a nod on the builder version of Mount Pensmore

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by FrankD on Aug 12, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lemieux, Crosby, Jagr and......

I think those first 3 are locks, but after that I could make an argument for Francis, Barrasso, Coffey, Murphy, Ulf and even that Mario should be up there twice. Once as a player and once as an owner. But I think the 4th spot might have to go to Mike Lange.

by CookieShalom on Aug 12, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

OR

All this lame Shero talk made me think….maybe Craig Patrick. He built this team into winners, and established their legitimacy.

by CookieShalom on Aug 12, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario,Crosby, Mike Lange and Kehoe Bullard Patrick or Jagr

Lets see 1st two are easy. Bullard and Kehoe are pre Mario. Lange is all through the years the good the bad the years people would not tell anyone they were pens fans. Patrick made some incrdible trades to get the pens 2 cups. Jagr what can I day about him?

Coffey hell no to short of time with pens. Same with a few others mentioned

by radek2166 on Aug 12, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Stats and scratch Bullard.

Coffey
1987–88 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 46 15 52 67 -1
1988–89 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 75 30 83 113 -10
1989–90 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 80 29 74 103 -25
1990–91 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 76 24 69 93 -18
1991–92 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 54 10 54 64 +4
Carlyle

1978–79 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 70 13 34 47
1979–80 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 67 8 28 36
1980–81 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 76 16 67 83
1981–82 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 73 11 64 75
1982–83 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 61 15 41 56
1983–84 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 50 3 23 26

by radek2166 on Aug 12, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats and scratch Bullard.

Coffey
1987–88 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 46 15 52 67 -1
1988–89 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 75 30 83 113 -10
1989–90 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 80 29 74 103 -25
1990–91 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 76 24 69 93 -18
1991–92 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 54 10 54 64 +4

by radek2166 on Aug 12, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats and scratch Bullard.

Coffey
1987–88 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 46 15 52 67 -1
1988–89 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 75 30 83 113 -10
1989–90 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 80 29 74 103 -25
1990–91 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 76 24 69 93 -18
1991–92 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 54 10 54 64 +4

by radek2166 on Aug 12, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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