Mt. Pensmore: Part IV
by FrankD on Aug 18, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintI know I said we'd we'd wait until Thursday for the last poll to close, but given the utter domination of Jaromir Jagr I think it's safe to say we can move on to the fourth and final pick.
So far the order is:
First: Mario Lemieux
Second: Sidney Crosby
Third: Jaromir Jagr
Fourth:
We've talked about the last and final one since this first kicked off last week. So now's the time to debate and argue over who the fourth and final one goes to.
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Rick Kehoe for the win
Why was poll two open for three days while poll three was open for two days. Jagr was winning the second poll after the second day, so he should have been the winner not Sid. I smell a conspiracy here… is Bettman running this?
All the polls were going to run for 3 days but….
I know I said we’d we’d wait until Thursday for the last poll to close, but given the utter domination of Jaromir Jagr I think it’s safe to say we can move on to the fourth and final pick.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
PensFan highlighted my point. Three days was the initial period for each poll. Number 2 was close up until the final minute. Number three was no question by the end of the day.
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This is just like when Frank kept winning the whole “guess who scores the first Pens’ goal” thing during the playoffs.
I’m with MM. Definite conspiracy.
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
blah blah
I’m just good. What can I say?
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I’d say we should do that for the regular season and have an actual prize, but I know who’d end up keeping track of that if I did. :)
Hey, that’s the thing. Alighieri was actually keeping track of it too. So he knows how insanely awesome I was during the postseason.
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Yes, but how can we be sure that this “Allighieri” person isn’t just you with a different user name? Seriously!
I mean … you’ve always wanted to go to Singapore, right?
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
Hah good point. Funny how we’re never commenting in the same thread at the same time, huh?
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This is the most interesting pick imo, because there are multiple players/coach/gm/playbyplayguy/ who deserve this. My vote went to Kehoe for his longivity with the franchise and his excellence before Mario.
There is a knack to flying: it's learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
by Sid the captain on Aug 18, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions
Nice!
Kehoe was the best player in franchise history prior to Mario. A one time 55-goal scorer was a Penguin through and through. It’s a shame he had that nerve problem and had to retire when he did. Who knows what kind of numbers he could have put up playing alongside Mario a little longer. His tenure with the Penguins didn’t end there as he took a job as a scout for a couple of years, next as an assistant coach from 1987 to 2001, and then as the head coach for a couple of seasons. VOTE KEHOE!
by Mario's Mullet on Aug 18, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
At least I have a couple comrades for Kehoe.
I think Seth’s very good piece might have swayed more people to Barrasso than would have voted for him earlier.
But it’s all good. As I’ve said before there’s a number of good candidates for this 4th position that I think you could make a good case for. Francis, Barrasso, CP, Kehoe and Stevens all deserve consideration for it.
I do hope, in 10 years that Malkin is a slam dunk to be on here. That would mean good things have happened.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Even looking 5 or so years from now and hopefully one or more Cups, I think Malkin’s a lock. However, I wasn’t looking at Geno’s contract length/the Pens cap space. I would love to have Geno here forever, but I’m not convinced he’s here to stay.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Lange just shades Francis for my vote. I’m sure Ron would get on Mount Canesmore anyway.
Don't write cheques with your mouth that your body can't cash
I went with Lange as well — he’s been with the Pens family for so long and he’s iconic in Pittsburgh.
My second choice would be Craig Patrick.
And you are correct, Gazelle, Ronnie was on PuckDaddy’s Mount Canesmore.
by RuthenianCowboy on Aug 18, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know much about any of the guys, except Geno, so I’m going to sit back and watch
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Toughest call
I’d have went with Lange but that was more of a nod to history and to extend the timeline of the 4 faces, kinda like voting for Kehoe. I ultimately went with Patrick since some of the most prolific times in Pens history were thanks to what he did for the team. Dunno though, if you look at distinct eras, you have the pre-Mario era, the Mario era and post Mario era. Nobody yet is there that represents the ups and several downs of the pre-Mario era. Maybe for a reason, but it seems insincere to not give a nod to someone like Lange…. Tough, tough, tough vote…
I voted Craig Patrick
Sure, he made some bad moves and a lot of his legend is based around the 2 trades in the cup years. Still, it’s tough to look at the Pens over the last 20 years and not recognize the profound effect he had on the team.
Even the team now is largely a by-product of players that he drafted. Sure, he missed on a some and a few were slam dunk but even a few years removed from his tenure and the Pens “core” guys are almost all CP picks. Nevermind that most of the other guys on the above list, and the three already on Pensmore were all CP people in one way or another…
Tommy Barasso
The best goalie in franchise history with two Stanley cups deserves to be a face on Mt Pensmore.
Francis is my vote. One of the all-time greats, 4th all-time in team scoring and playoff scoring, and all while being one of the best defensive centers in the game. Played 8 seasons in Pittsburgh, and was captain for 2.
Barrasso was a good goalie on a great team, and Francis was a much much better player. Too early for Malkin, despite the Conn Smythe. Patrick would probably be my next pick.
I don't know who to vote for
I want to vote for Lange or Francis or Patrick or Kehoe…
You guys need to persuade me.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Lange, for as iconic as he is, didn’t win or lose any games. Sure he is an important part of the franchise, but to me, this is about the guys who’ve bleed and sweat and done things to earn victories.
Is Mike Lange or John Barbero’s voices one of the first things I think of when I think Pittsburgh Penguins? Yeah sure. But Iceburgh is one of the first thing for a lot of people too, should a mascot be up there? Where are you drawing the line?
I voted for the guy who dedicated almost his entire professional career to the Penguins:
-4th in total games played for the franchise
-3rd in points scored (only 66 and 68 have more)
-parts of 16 seasons behind the bench as an assistant or head coach.
With respect to the others in consideration, no one left has made that type of contribution. Which is why you should vote Kehoe.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Very, very convincing.
Anyone else? Because Kehoe may be getting my vote soon….
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Here here
No disrespect to Lange or Barbero, but the Pens have had too many great players lace up the skates to have Mt. Puckmore featuring the faces of announcers and play-by-play guys. I don’t think of Barbero, CP, or Lange (unless it’s that amazing secod line of Lang, Straka and Kovy) when I think of the Pens. Way too many great players to pick from here.
by Mario's Mullet on Aug 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lange is iconic for sure
But so is the Pens-Hulkster guy who is at all the games. And the “cotton candy heeeeeyyyyyyaaaaah” dude is too. They don’t belong on the Mt either.
The main argument for Kehoe is that he was with the Pens for a long time, but did he ever do anything great? I don’t mean to bash the guy, and admittedly I’m too young to have ever seen him play, but is there one defining moment in his career that anybody really remembers? Francis has several huge playoff moments, he was a hall-of-famer, and he was a big part of two cup teams. Vote for Ronnie.
You’re right that Kehoe doesn’t have any splash plays…But he did lead the Pens in scoring 3 seasons. (Francis never finished higher than 2nd).
…And as coach, who do you think switched the forwards to send Francis out to the ice to get that glory?
That’s right, Rick Kehoe won as many Cups with the Pens as Ron Francis did.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Ha, I knew Kehoe was always a beast at matching lines. Winning as an assistant coach and winning as a player aren’t exactly the same thing, though. Kehoe led the team in scoring 3 times, but he was playing on pretty bad teams, he was never in the top 10 in the league. Much tougher to lead the team in points when Jagr and Lemieux are on your team. In 95-96, Francis was 4th in the league…and 3rd on his team, that’s crazy.
Totally off-topic, but Ovi needs to work on his abs. (no, seriously, he does)
http://www.brobible.com/story/13158808/alexander-ovechkin-spends-his-summer-partying-turkey
Ehh hockey players don’t need to be as buffed up as in other sports.
Let him get fat. It’ll make it a lot easier for us.
I take comfort knowing that Sid’s been training since mid June and Malkin looks a bit more buffed up. It’s going to be a good season.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 18, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Barasso doing very well, didn’t think he would finish in the Top 3, with those other great choices…
(Kind of) surprising to see Ronnie Francis up there too. Not that he doesn’t deserve it, but of course because of his ever prevalent Whaler/Cane roots…I tend to think of him as 40% Pen, 60% Cane, so I didn’t go with Ronnie.
Rick Kehoe gets my vote, for reasons already stated. Hey, history has to be respected, and there was a franchise before Mario Lemieux, believe it or not, lol. He’s definitely deserving of the 4th spot.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
Who to choose?
I’m not voting just yet. I’m going to wait until….
Oh yeah, when does this poll close?
I’ll wait until the end of the vote to cast my ballot. Not that anybody cares. I want read all the comments and see what PensNation has to say and where the majority stands, then I’ll make a decision. There are many good and deserving candidates on and off the ice who could very well represent MT. Pensmore’s fourth and final spot. So you can see why I’m unsure of as to who is the most deserving of this prestigious honor.
BTW, I not above selling my vote. ;)
Friday at 11:59 PM. All of the polls are going on for three days, but as I mentioned above it was safe to say we could expedite this one given Jagr’s domination in round 3.
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You’re just hoping to play the “Florida” of this election as cast the deciding vote, aren’t you?
Haha
Also see above for Kehoe mania! Also I like how 6 people respond favorably to me (thanks, smart folks btw) and Kehoe still has just 10 votes. My influence isn’t feeling that great now.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
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Look at the bright side, you’re getting 1 and 2/3 votes per person. If 2000 people respond you got 3333 votes (I think).
How could 2000 people respond and produce 3,333 votes?
NOW we have a conspiracy.
RECOUNT RECOUNT
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I was hoping to get him or Pronovost up there so I hitched onto your wagon. Truthfully, Pronovost was better but played well before folks in Pittsburgh even know what hockey was. A handful of 40 goal seasons, a 50+ goal season. All while having absolutely no one to help him. during his 9 years with the Pens he was by far the best Penguin almost every year. It was Pittsburghs first real hockey talent to spend his prime with the Penguin on his chest.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
It looks like Tommy B and Ronnie Franchise are battling this one out, but I’m surprised at how close Lange and Malkin are keeping things too.
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Run off?
Should there be a run off poll if this is so close at the end?
Sure, I guess we can do a runner-up poll for maybe 5 and 6.
Or maybe just five? Whatcha thinkin?
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Last time I checked only 4 people on Rushmore, I say let these votes go now and let it be.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I think he meant run-off, not a runner-up race — as in do a new vote with just the top few from this poll included. That way if my first choice is Kehoe but my second choice is Francis, my vote still matters. In the run-off Kehoe won’t be an option, so I can place my vote for Francis, who will then overtake that goalie with a bad attitude.
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
I suppose that works then. yeah
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Voted for Rick Kehoe, suprised he’s getting so few votes (50 goal scorer, career Pens leader at one point before 66-68, coach, scout, over ten years with the organization).
I was torn between him and Craig Patrick. But no way IMO, should players like, Francis, , Coffey, Carlyle be considered. They all have stonger ties to other organizations. Remember top 4 faces of the franchise (eliminates Mike Lange no?) so it’s what the player did for the organization not his career.
Saddened to see Mike Lange neck and neck for the lead.
What Iceburgh couldn’t make the cut?
No Cotton Candy man? (hat-tip Max Powers)
Lange is an icon for fans, but he never won a game for the Penguins.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I think it is more sad that you equate Mike Lange with Iceburgh and Cotton Candy Man.
I respect your opinion that it’s all about guys who impacted wins and losses, but does that mean you’d rank Poni over Lange?
I didn’t go with ML in this case, but I certainly considered it. The man has had a huge impact on my becoming a Pens fan and my continued enjoyment of the game.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t necessarily equate them, just making a point that there’s a difference in honoring players, coaches and executives that built a team and contributed blood and sweat directly to the effort to help win, and a guy who calls the game.
For the fan experience Rushmore, no doubt Lange’s on there with Barbero, Vince Lascheid and probably the iconic CC man.
I respect your opinion that it’s all about guys who impacted wins and losses, but does that mean you’d rank Poni over Lange?
I wouldn’t consider either for the honor, frankly. But Ponikarovsky would have been the only one eligible, in my view.
The man has had a huge impact on my becoming a Pens fan and my continued enjoyment of the game.
I guess if that’s what your building your Mt. Pensmore about, there’s certainly nothing wrong with it. I have a different perspective and standards for this. No big deal, really, just the way we look at it is different.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 20, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Then I guess my idea to nominate you and Frank goes right out the window…
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 20, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Too late to pull a 180 on my stance?
All my lobbying for Kehoe has netted 20 votes (most of them probably not having to do with me) so something tells me that Frank and Hooks would get 2 votes. Your guess who that’s from.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You made a great case for Kehoe. I went with Badger Bob for 4th because in my opinion, the Pens wou
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, that wasn’t supposed to post.
I think I was going to say something about how, in my opinion, the Penguins as an organization would not have nearly the mystique that they now have if they did not win those cups in the 90s, and how Badger Bob’s leadership was crucial in getting the team to the top of the mountain.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Saddened to see no one from before Mario even came close. Saddened by the general disregard for Penguins history. Saddened by the Fact that Lange is even an option. Saddened that the Pens history is so dismal that a guy like Francis who I recognize as a Whaler/Cane is probably a viable option.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
Wow, that’s a lot of sadness, especially about something so trivial.
Cheer up. The season starts in 47 days.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 20, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh Oh
It’s a tight one. Barrasso and Francis are neck and neck with Ronnie holding a one vote lead. I can’t wait to see how this turns out. I’m kind of hoping for a tie. That would be very interesting.
BTW, ‘cause I know everybody has been waiting and dying to find out who I voted for, it was Kehoe. Two reasons, one- because he’s been part of the organ-I-zation for a long time and in many different capacities and the second- there has to be (IMO) somebody to represent the pre-Mario Pens on the Mountain Top.
Oh yeah, there’s a third- Hooks Orpik gave me a c-note.
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Haha wishful thinking my man.
I’m surprised you still went Kehoe since he was out. You saved your vote so long I’m surprised you didn’t throw weight behind Barrasso or Francis.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Recount!
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 21, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Ooh
A tie, a tie!
Hmm…this is going to be interesting…
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Tie breaker is up.
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