Penguins Sign Former Flyer Arron Asham
by FrankD on Aug 20, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
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Arron Asham, formerly of the Philadelphia Flyers, is now officially a member of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
For those who are doubting the signing already, let's look at the upside. Because frankly that's all I'm seeing from this signing.
Asham adds a level of grit, even if it means getting his face bashed in for a few teammates. I'm not opposed to having a guy like that on the team I'm rooting for.
Here's Asham's 09-10 line:
72GP - 10g - 14a - 24 pts - minus-2 - 126 PIM
I'm going out on a limb here to draw a comparison, but here goes.
You know who came to mind when I heard the Pens signed Asham?
This guy:
When Rupp came on board with the Pens in 09-10, he was coming off a year in which he scored three goals and picked up six assists over the span of 72 games. In his first year with the Penguins, Rupp scored a career-high 13 goals and added six assists for another career-high 19 points over 81 games.
Does this mean Asham will have a similar first season with the Penguins? Well, not necessarily. But this does potentially mean that the Pens are considering perhaps a promotion somewhere along the third and fourth lines (Staal? Cooke?). And really for a one-year deal worth $700,000, how can you complain? Once again Ray Shero is working with the money he has available. I have no issues with this signing, other than the obvious fact that he's a former Flyer.
But so was Mark Recchi. And John LeClair. And former Penguins captain Orest Kindrachuk.
In other words, I'm color blind to the past.
Travis from Broad Street Hockey shares his thoughts:
You guys are going to love Arron Asham. Sure, his rep around the league is as a tough guy, and he can certainly hold his own in that department. But most of all, he's a tough guy with quite a bit of offensive touch that will surprise you on the offensive end. His hands are very underrated and he can be quite the little playmaker as well. His shot is pretty damn hard too.
Most Flyers fans are sad to see him go, but he'll be a welcome addition in Pittsburgh. It should be interesting to see how his addition impacts Matt Cooke for two reasons: 1) they hate each other, or, at least, Ash hates Cooke, and 2) he probably makes Cooke pretty disposable on the Pens roster.
Now, your thoughts.
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Baffling Signing
I like His Game & all, But they have more than enough of what he brings
I think it was a good move to give more opportunity to who the Penguins already have to work with. Like I said, I think this means we may see a bit of shuffling of the lines.
The Pens now have a potential fourth line of Adams-Asham-Godard.
Third – Rupp – Kennedy – Dupuis
Second – Max? Staal Cooke
First – Kunitz – Crosby – Malkin
Just throwing those out there. But if anything I think it at least shows that Staal could be on the up and up.
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Huh?
This signing makes ZERO sense…
You have Tangradi, Bennet, Veilleux, CPZ, Jeffrey… They have the ability to bring MUCH more to the table than Asham.
First off, Malkin plays better with Staal than Crosby. Malkin defer’s to Sid too much when they are on the ice together. Sure its the ‘dynamic duo’ but that Duo is also prone to plenty of relapses and over confidence.
Kunitz – Sid – ??
Geno – Staal – Cooke
Rupp – Max – Duper/TK
Godard – Adams – TK/Duper
Makes no sense why you bring in Asham, he’s not good enough to play with Sid and hes too good to play 4th line minutes.
To me, it looks like Shero has no faith that our young guys can come in and play right away. That’s the only reason this move could make sense.
You’re entitled to your opinion. But here’s why it makes sense. Or at least why they don’t give the nod to a minor leaguer.
Bennett isn’t making the team this year. Not a chance. He’s committed to playing college hockey at Denver next year. Tangradi might, but not a Top 6 right away. Jeffrey is starting to edge into that career minor-leaguer territory that we saw for a few years with Jeff Taffe and Ryan Stone. Veilleux and CPZ might not be ready just yet.
For what the Pens have to work with, for what was available and for what the Pens need, I think Asham is a good deal. Again, just my opinion, but a good number of people below have commented that they have similar aspirations for him. Even the guy who writes for the Flyers blog agrees. Don’t mean you have to, but there’s faith in Shero’s move.
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by FrankD on Aug 21, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree. I watched Asham through the playoffs and he was fantastic. I also remember some noise at the beginning of July about him going to Detroit, San Jose, or Tampa Bay and thinking those teams would be very lucky to have him.
I agree Asham really impressed me in the playoffs, I’m actually surprised he was still available in August. I dont think Asham is automatically slotted into the fourth line at this point though. I know Asham/ Rupp/Godard would be a beastly fourth line. I think this singing is actually a good thing for Matt Cooke. The way I see the lines shaking down(granted its still August)
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Cooke-Staal-Malkin
Asham-Talbot-Kennedy..maybe
Rupp-Adams-Godard
I dont think this is a bad thing for a younger guy like Tangradi. To be honest, I was not sold on the fact that Tangradi would make the team out of camp before the Asham signing. I think he will start the season in WBS and be first on the call up list when needed. He will definetly get his chance this year, I just dont think it will come in August. I think thats a smart move too. Prospect like Tangradi dont come around all that often, especially in the Pens organization, they cant afford to miss with him.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Kennedy better have a real strong start to the season this year. He had an awful season last year and going into the last year of his deal its time for him to pick it up.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He will definetly get his chance this year, I just dont think it will come in August
Dude, if only hockey started in August. I would be so happy.
You wrote a great, insightful comment, but all I can think about how I wish hockey started in August.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Hm. I think this may be the first proposed lineup I’ve seen where the top two lines are actually kind of balanced in terms of the various elements you want on a single line. Of course, guys like Cooke and Dupuis remain a bit of a question mark in terms of their ability to really put up top 6 performances, but I could see something similar to this being at least part of the mix. We’ll have to wait an see where Asham fits in, and (as you mentioned) Kennedy has something to prove, but this is one heckuva tough-looking lineup. Now for some finesse …
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
Yea its definetly early for line predictions, but at this point thats the lineup I would like to see and with a lack of true top 6 wingers there will always be questions as to whether the wingers are really top 6 guys. They are gonna have to be, whoever it is.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard CPZ has a lot of attitude problems, so that will always hinder him.
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i think attitude problems frustrate me more than anything else.
we're not trading jordan staal.
by katielynn906 on Aug 21, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i like yours, though, no worries.
we're not trading jordan staal.
by katielynn906 on Aug 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not going to take Tangradi's spot...
Or any other talented guy we have waiting in the wings. This is a toughness move, that’s it. It’s not a points move, it’s not a goal scoring move, it’s a toughness move. I hate to say it, but you need knuckles in the Atlantic division and the playoffs. Now they have another set of them to play against the likes of the Flyers and Devils…not to mention those guys from the SE Division in the Caps.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Tangradi has to earn a spot first. Everyone has this guy penned is as the next coming of Christ but years of over-hyped forwards (Pesonen, Caputi and to a degree Esposito (pre-draft)) have done nothing but fall short. How does a guy with one game of NHL experience automatically get tossed into a Top 6 role in everyday conversation?
Maybe I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate, but am I alone in finding this hype to be a bit overbearing at times?
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Let me just add that I’d love to be pleasantly surprised, but as of right now I think a lot of the Top 6 talk is unjustified for Tangradi.
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Agreed.
I would be surprised to see him even start the season in the bottom six. I figure, at the most, he’ll be a healthy scratch most nights. When he gets his chance, probably on the bottom two lines, who knows…DB is a player’s coach who likes to reward good play with top 6 playing time.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Right now top 6: Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz and Dupuis (realize, that’s 5)
6 other NHL forwards: Cooke, Talbot, Kennedy, Adams, Asham, Rupp,
13th skater: Godard
That leaves one more spot. Obviously they could give TK, Talbot or even Asham some rotating shifts on a top line.
Even if not, there’s not much room for the guys like Jeffrey, Letestu, Conner, Johnson and Tangradi to crack the NHL roster.
Tangradi would have to be head and shoulders better than the rest of the AHL crew from last year to make Pittsburgh out of camp. He scored 17 goals in the AHL last season, there’s nothing wrong with him going back and taking on a bigger role to prep for the future.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
You don't need to score to get a call from the big club...
You just need to play your role. He was also injured part of last season so it’s tough to put weight on that stat. Either way, he’s not going to be a stud out of the box, he may never be, he just has to play his role. That’s all.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. But those pencilling him for a top 6 role need to realize that this kid still has miles to go before he’s “the next Kevin Stevens” as I’ve seen written around some places before.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
ha, I like it...
Can’t argue that. he definitely has some work to do before he reaches his full potential. Hopefully, he can get to that point.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't be a healthy scratch.
That makes no sense. Why would you healthy scratch a guy like that? If you’re going to do that, might as well keep him in WBS so he can continue to see the ice and develop
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If someone’s injured, and he’s the thirteenth forward.
There are a bunch of situations where he could be a healthy scratch.
But, other than that, yes, you’re right- they won’t want his salary in the NHL if they already have a full roster.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
True and true...
You’re right. Shoot, Staal was a scratch a few times early on in his career. Hey, not everybody can be perfect.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple solution...
None of these guys had NHL bodies. That you absolutely cannot argue. Try it and you won’t win. Tangradi is not overhyped. He’s just one of the top prospects so why not talk about him? Also, nobody is saying he’s coming to come in and be a superstar. We just need him to provide what Ryan Malone did. He was no superstar either. He was strong, physical, talented, and a force in front of the net. that’s what we need. We don’t need a Pesonen, Caputi or Esposito. We have players like that.
Also, to compare players that are being hyped, you can’t put Tangradi in the same spot as Pesonen and/or Caputi because they play different games.
Either way, I do definitely see what you mean and you bring up good points. I like Tangradi because he has the skill, the EDGE, and the size.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Tangradi is not overhyped. He’s just one of the top prospects so why not talk about him?
Sorry, but are you kidding? People are talking about him as “Sid Crosby’s next winger” when he hasn’t even made the team yet, much less Crosby’s line. Until he plays more than one more game in the NHL, to me, he’s over hyped.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Yeah, I’d say Tangradi is over-hyped by fans who are eager to see what he can do.
Don’t think the organization would be disappointed at him at all if Tangradi needs to spend a little more time in the AHL. Certainly he’s not going to be a top 6 NHL player from this point forward, and if you expect that (as many would hope to) than I would say he’s over-hyped.
Tangradi’s a solid prospect and ought to pan out soon. But maybe not immediately.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Agreed, twice!
Pens are in one of those fortunate positions where they don’t have to rush guys to the NHL. Nice spot to be in eh? They can let Tangradi play where he needs to play until Shero and co. thinks he is ready. Until then, we’ll see what they come up with for top 6 final winger spot.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly he’s not going to be a top 6 NHL player from this point forward, and if you expect that (as many would hope to) than I would say he’s over-hyped.
If you were referring to me directly, I don’t expect him to even make the lineup. It would be great if he did, but I’m not expecting it whatsoever.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
overhyped by fans...
that’s about it. The media likes him, but they are not jumping on the Tangradi-train just yet…neither are the Pens. It’s just fans and honestly, I know, this point can be argued all day, but I don’t call that hype. I know I know, it really is hype, but from the fans…just lots of wishful thinking and optimism.
by Wags24 on Aug 21, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen it the media too. Most notably, the Gazette and the Trib.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You have me on this one..
Mainly because I don’t live in Pittsburgh. I see some stuff online, but certainly not much. Just haven’t seen anything about Tangradi. Can’t say I look online either, especially Rossi’s stuff. I stay away from that like I stay away froms seafood.
by Wags24 on Aug 22, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t live in Pittsburgh either.
To be fair, the writers aren’t really saying that they themselves believe he’s Crosby’s next winger. It’s more like “Tangradi is thought by many to be Sidney Crosby’s next winger.”
So, I guess you could say that the media isn’t necessarily buying into Tangradi, but the fans expectations and the organizations expectations have gotten to the media. I swear, I can’t read an article about the guy or one that even mentions him where it doesn’t talk about Crosby.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that reflects more on the area’s love of Crosby more than anything. In that, the only time Crosby’s had a stellar winger since he’s been here is when Hossa was here, so people really want Tangradi to work out for his benefit.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 22, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It probably does have something to do with it, but if the organization/the fans thought he wasn’t good enough to make it out of WBS, then there would be no talk.
I think the organization sees him as an NHL winger and the fans have bought into the fact that he could be Sid’s one day. Which has trickled down to the media.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Billy because of chemistry and stuff, but I’m willing to give Asham a chance.
Nice avatar, btw :)
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by GreenEyedLilo on Aug 20, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck with that, I’m still processing the fact that Komisarek is a Leaf
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Of course not, I just merely glare at him and twitch my eyes :)
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Ha ha, I told a good friend (Habs fan who announced a boycott of Toronto after Komi signed with the Leafs) that I would give him the stink eye if I saw him on the street. As I don’t mind the Leafs and am looking forward to him doing some damage to the Habs, the stink eye promise has been broken.
No matter how he does for us, I think I’ll eventually love him because Habs fans hate him :)
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After signing Asham
the Pens said they are talking to Billy G and will have a decision next week.
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 21, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Second – Max? Staal Cooke
Good Lord if that’s the 2nd Line Sid & Geno are going to Play 30 Minutes a game : /
I didn’t have any allegiance to that top 2. I know it’s ridiculous but I was just clustering who I thought would be on one and two. The gist of it all is, I think this was a pretty good depth move.
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I Like Asham
I just don’t understand the signing
Yeah, I don’t think Sid and Geno will skate together at even strength. I’m pretty sure Geno’s going to be playing with Staal. Sid’s probably going to get Kunitz on his left with Dupius on the right. I would love to see Tangradi have a strong camp and end up on a scoring line. Putting him on the third or fourth is a waste.
He might be…
I have a feeling that there might be another move of some kind coming.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Godard is going to be gone too. Either that or like you sad there may be another move coming. Asham is basically the same player as Rupp and playing them with Adams in the middle will leave a very competent 4th line. This line would fill the role that Godard had the past 2 years. And assuming Tangrdi makes the team out of camp they most likely won’t be paying Godard to be the 13th forward.
by StripesForLife on Aug 20, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
they most likely won’t be paying Godard to be the 13th forward.
I thought the same last year when Rupp was brought in. They kept Godard, who’s probably tougher and more capable muscle than Rupp or Asham. Every dollar under the cap is precious, but Godard’s $750k might not be a budget buster.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
They’d have to trade him, and more often than not enforcers don’t go straight up for more than a draft pick. So he could be part of a package deal or they could put him on waivers.
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as a follow up question: does this signing put kennedy on the ropes as well? i’d try to explain why i ask this, but i’m barely coherent right now. i can explain why i ask if this doesn’t make sense to anyone else.
we're not trading jordan staal.
by katielynn906 on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cookie’s more at risk than TK is at this point…
I see AA as more of a foil for guys like Rupp & Cookie, enforcers/agitators with slight offensive upsides… TK still has a higher offensive payoff and if he manages to catch fire out of camp (like he was supposed to do before his injury) he’s gonna do fine…
Is it October yet?
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Cookie a risk? They just signed him. I don’t think they would consider demoting him or moving him after that. No way.
Godard, Adams and/or maybe Dupuis. But not Cooke.
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by FrankD on Aug 20, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Cooke just got a three year deal with a Modified NON-TRADE Clause so he’s not going anywhere. Another thing, people are calling Asham a goon but the kid has some skills. He scored 32-45-43 goals for the Red Deer Rebels so he’s got a scoring touch. I’m not saying he’s a top 6 forward but anytime you get a solid NHLer who can, fight, score, play with heart game in and game out for 700k you got yourself a bargain.
And players like Asham are invaluable in the Playoffs, good signing…
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 21, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even a goon. A lot of people hate him because he won’t fight (among other things….). He’s really just a pest.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
God knows we needed one. Especially if G (aka Dad) is gone.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Cookie’s more at risk than TK is at this point…
Sorry, dude but no way. If anything TK is more at risk, but probably is unlikely to happen. Cooke is way to valuable on the penalty kill (as a side note, don’t be surprised to see DB stick Cooke’s ass in front of the net occasionally on the PP) and is an agitator for the opposition. RS wouldn’t of signed him to a three year extension with the plan of trading/waiving/whatevering him.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It really says something when Shero has a “don’t give more than 2 years to role players policy” and he liked Cooke enough to break it with him.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i meant it as since AA & Cookie had relatively similar styles & offensive upsides…. But Cookie’s not going anywhere… Be real silly since Shero just inked him to a long deal…
Easy guys… I love Matt Cooke too!
Is it October yet?
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Shit
you better love him 
or else…
I know that’s horrible!
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey
I’ve just gotten into the habit of ruining threads lately.
By October 7th, I’ll be on my best behavior, Frank. I promise.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if Savard wants to skate into Cooke’s arm that’s his problem
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Wow
I think that was worse.
Where’s Bostonsports?
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was thinking the same thing hah
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Moving TK would make the most sense….Asham and Cooke on a potential 3rd line would be a pretty awesome combination…
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Still don’t buy that. If anything, Kennedy’s low cap hit makes him a valuable player for what he brings to the table.
I think the Pens are closer to giving TK a chance to be on the 2nd line than they are to trading him away. He’s shown a little bit more scoring touch and is young enough to have the hope of improving maybe some.
If Asham’s acquistion is the end of anyone, it’s Godard. But I don’t even think that’s written in stone at this point.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
i disagree with that. I dont think Kennedy is valuable at all to the Pens. He plays 5 on 5. Thats all he does for this team. He had a terrible year last year, Asham would be completely capable of filling TK’s role. I would not be suprised to see TK in the press box a few time this year if he doesnt pick up his game. Asham would bring more to the 3rd line than TK..sorry Im just not a TK fan….unless were talking about Tim Kennedy.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He plays 5 on 5. Thats all he does for this team.
True, but what he does 5 on 5 fits perfectly with this team.
He’s like Asham except Asham is more of a fighter than TK, but TK is better on the forecheck (and is a faster skater).
By the way, Asham doesn’t play on the PK or the PP, for that matter. Unless DB decides to stick him in front of the net, I don’t see it happening on the Pens either.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
I understand that but Asham is a physical presence on that third line, which would be missing if Staal and/or Cooke are gone. Im not saying TK is a terrible player, I think he is easily replaceable tho.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So who is our fourth line?
Rupp, Godard, Adams, Talbot, Asham, anyone in WBS (Connor, Jeffery, Johnson, Letestu, Sterling, Wallace)
To be fair, Johnson, Connor, and Letestu aren’t exactly fourth line type players, but that’s still a lot of players to compete for the last few forward spaces when there are still places on the first few lines to compete. In Shero I Trust, but I’m confused by the move. It’s definitely not a bad one, but is it a good one?
Not many people were fans of the Rupp move last season and he gained a new following in Pittsburgh. So I have faith this is a good move. For what it’s worth, the Flyers fans over on BSH aren’t totally happy with it but they seem to be wishing him well. So that means something.
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by Travis Hughes on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if Asham turns out like Rupp did with us, the reason I’m a little puzzled with this signing is because I’m not sure why we need another Rupp.
I’m not unhappy with this signing because it brings us a gritty player for cheap, but it just wasn’t what I expected. I was expecting a third line defensive center.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the Pens’ cap room (I believe this signing brings them close to practically nothing), I have to agree with it. Maybe we don’t need another Rupp, but does it hurt to have one? With only about $750K in the bank before the signing, do you really think the Pens could’ve afforded a formidable winger available on the market? Options were limited in both a talent sense and financial one. I like the move.
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I know that the Pens can’t afford a “formidable” winger. Go back and read my comment. I thought that Pens would go after a cheap defensive center (John Madden or a cheaper version of him comes to mind). Technically they have $1.4 million left right now, but with Lovejoy’s inevitable (unless they sign someone else) roster spot, our cap room with be about $700k.
In other news, I have never been so interested in the Flyers scoring goals.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That was more a rhetorical question than it was accusatory, btw. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. It’s more or less what went through my mind when I saw the headline on my phone.
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It's ok./
Even if it was rhetorical and you were trying to prove a point, I said that I’m not unhappy with the signing. I figured that we’d take our 700k and spend it on a defensive center, not another Rupp.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pens have a cap bonus penalty from last year, I cant remember the exact number I think it was around 100,000. Which given the Pens cap situation is a lot. Dont know if that was being considered here. I think the Pens are done with their singings for the summer…Sorry Billy G.. no thanks.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
“I told our coaches we’ll make a decision on Billy next week,” Shero said. “I’ve spoken with his agent the past couple of days.”
Ray Shero after the Pens signed Asham.
Who knows Billy might be back. He just has to be reasonable on the price.
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The Pens have a cap bonus penalty from last year, I cant remember the exact number I think it was around 100,000. Which given the Pens cap situation is a lot.
It’s like $83,000. I don’t think it’ll be the difference between making any moves or not making any moves.
Shoot, if the Pens are over another $100k they’ll just roll it forward to the next year, I don’t believe there have been any penalties for teams that go over on the cap due to bonus issues.
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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 23, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea im not real sure exactly how those penalties work, i meant if Billy G was to sign to for 1- 1.5 million 83,000 is enough to cover a few callups during the season.
by genomachine-O on Aug 23, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll change my vote to Yay if they waive Godard. He’s not worth the salary for what he does (nothing) and how often he plays (rarely), and how often he should play (never). But even so, while I know he’s a character guy and a good player for what he does, he fits a role that we already have too many players in. That 700,000 should have been put toward a winger, whether that be Billy G at the very least, Kozlov, Svatos, Stempniak, Kariya, or Tim Kennedy. Any of those guys I’d rather see in a Pens uniform. Yes I’m thrilled that the prospects are going to get a chance to shine, but not all of them at once, and we shouldn’t expect too much from them.
That and I’m very very very opposed to Staal centering the 2nd line. Not because he doesn’t deserve it, he does. Pittsburgh’s strength down the middle is where we are differentiated from the rest of the league. With him on the 2nd line, we are a two-line offense, and those two lines still don’t stack up against some other teams first two lines. Three lines of depth is what made us so hard to play against.
"Those goals just rip the heart right out of your stomach." - Edzo
I agree with you about the Staal centering the second line thing, but right now, it’s almost a necessity to move Staal to the second line because of our wing depth.
If we go into the playoffs with this offense though…well, we’re in deep shit, in my opinion.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My lines
Kunitz – Sid – Tangradi
Dupuis – Staal – Malkin
Cooke – Talbot – Kennedy
Rupp – Adams – Asham
I always hate cross-state jumpers in one way or the other, former Penguins shouldn’t be allowed to play for the Flyers and vice versa. But they can, so what do I know. He’s a decent signing, not a game changer by any means but this should signal the end of Godard’s time in Pittsburgh. Pens now have two guys who can more than adequately fight with Rupp and Asham, making the designated brawler Godsy worthless.
I guarantee I know where Asham goes next though. He’s played for every Atlantic Division team except for the Rangers.
I’d agree with ipenguins67 about Svatos, I know he was quoted in several Russian news sources around a month ago saying that he’d love to play for the Penguins…perhaps he could rediscover his scoring touch in black & Vegas gold.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
I don’t know if Tangradi’s ready, but otherwise those lines look really, really solid.
Last year a lot of us doubted the Rupp signing- myself being the loudest on it. That worked out great, so I have faith in Shero.
Asham’s not amazing, but look at his point total last year (24) compared to Dupuis (38; playing with Sid), Fedotenko (30) or any of the other natural wingers on the team.
Like Fedotenko, Asham plays a terrific forechecking game that on paper should fit perfectly with the team. He’s not going to be Rick Tocchet but if they tell Asham to tone down the fighting- like he did on 2002-03 when he scored 36 points and only had 57 PIMs, I think this might start to make a lot more sense.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 21, 2010 12:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This stinks of a depth move… Our depth in bottom 6 forwards is pretty deep plus we have a relative contingent of WBS forwards coming up…
I think this move means that we’re definitely going to see Gradi play in the top 2 lines from the season opener… Much as I’d hope for a successful Staalkingrad line… I hope that’s not premature…
Note: I like Asham but I’m scratching my head with this move.
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I agree we might see Tangradi based solely on financial reasons, but I don’t think he goes Top 2 right out of the gate. Maybe he gets there through the course of the season, but I don’t think he gets the start there.
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That’s what I’m hoping too… But if the solution is playing Cookie next to Staalkin, we have issues… Unless Max or TK gets hot out of the gate, we’re in bad shape top 6 wise.
Remember when before Cookie signed with us, we were discussing how some GM would be an idiot for signing him to be a second line winger?
I want Gradi to spend a lot of time next to Sid & Geno but fresh out of the new season. That’s going to be rough…
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That’s what I’m hoping too… But if the solution is playing Cookie next to Staalkin, we have issues… Unless Max or TK gets hot out of the gate, we’re in bad shape top 6 wise.
We already have a problem. Don’t be surprised if Cookie is the solution and Duper is on the first line. The only good thing (ie our saving grace) is that we have some dudes names Crosby, Malkin, and Staal.
I want Gradi to spend a lot of time next to Sid & Geno but fresh out of the new season. That’s going to be rough…
Unless he has an epic camp, I don’t see that happening either. If I had to choose between Cookie and Gradi on the second line to start the season, I’m going with the vet and I don’t even think twice.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he has an epic camp, I don’t see that happening either.
Actually, if any rookie was to succeed coming out of the gate, the Pens might be the place to do it. There’s little to no pressure on the kid, especially playing next to our 3 headed monster of Sid & Staalkin.
Also, if we end up playing a gritty little scrapper like Cookie, AA or TK, the Staalkin line’s gonna be able deal with that as both Geno & Staal have decent size although Geno’s still pretty lightweight…
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I disagree. I think there’s a ton of pressure on a kid to play next to those guys. All this talk over the years of trying to find a winger for Sid, there’s already pressure for that. I don’t think it’s any easier on the Pens than it is on any other team in the league.
And Geno can throw is weight around too, he just has to agree with the idea of getting dirty. We’ve seen him go crazy from time to time. I’d like to see it more often.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Epic Picture girl!
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Yeah, well, it wouldn’t be so epic of Malkin had gotten suspended for the next game…but, yeah, I love this pic.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
They don't suspend players during the SCP!!
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they do.
The NHL stated before the playoffs that if any “shenanigans” (i.e. fighting, cheap shots) happened towards the end of the game, suspensions would be handed out. Before this, there’s a written rule that says if a player gets an instigator penalty during a game, he’s automatically suspended for the next game.
Not only was Geno involved in a fight at the end of the game, he also got an instigator penalty. He was lucky the NHL didn’t suspend him. You better believe that the Wings fans were pissed when he wasn’t and, in the next game, he had 3 assists.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I Cannot Think Of
Any star player that has been suspended during any Stanley Cup Play Offs in the past ten years.
But we all know it wasn’t going to happen to Malkin. Nor would they have suspended Ovie—as in 2009, his cheap knee-on-knee hit on Gonchar.
It’s not going to happen. What we fans think should happen and what the NHL will actually do: not the same thing.
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not star players, but that’s just what’s wrong with the suspension system.
However, I’d say there are 3-4 suspensions handed out during the playoffs each year.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
although Geno’s still pretty lightweight…
Lol is that a nice way of saying he’s soff?
Haha just kidding I know what you meant. He’s lanky.
Actually, if any rookie was to succeed coming out of the gate, the Pens might be the place to do it. There’s little to no pressure on the kid, especially playing next to our 3 headed monster of Sid & Staalkin.
You’re probably right, but I was think that more for D than offense. And, if the guy’s going to play with Sid/Staalkin, you better believe there’s going to be pressure on him.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s lanky.
195lbs. He’s not Chris Bourque but Geno’s gonna get tossed around to some extent… But he’s gonna be just fine.
You barely have to be coherent to score playing next to Sid/Geno/Staal… The production is going to be there if you’re competent (which we are fairly sure Gradi is). So far, to me he’s just another in the long line of wingers who have walked through that revolving door we’ve installed as Sid/Geno’s winger until proven otherwise.
Albeit with WAY more upside & all my little hopes…
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Think of it this way, Geno is 6’4" and 195 lbs…
Crosby is (supposedly) 5’11" and 200 lbs.
Cooke is 6’0" and 200 lbs.
For a hockey player, he’s pretty lanky.
If Big Dog gets put on a line with Crosby, he’s going to have to be more than competent because of the expectations he has to be “Sid’s next winger.” I swear, every time I read an article about him or one that mentions him, it’s “Eric Tangradi, who many thing is Sidney Crosby’s winger in the future…”
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m the hopeless optimist here… Gradi will do great…
Plus, he’s young and promising… Barring a spectacular flameout, he’ll be back to take another crack at it the next season…
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I kinda see this as a make or break year for TK. will he develop into a viable top-6 forward, or is he going to be a career grinder?
As for Cooke, i agree that he’s not the solution on the 2nd line, although it will probably work out that way early on. I’m of the opinion that Tangradi should be brought along as the season goes on, and not forced into something right away.
lest we forget, the Pens played themselves into a solid 4-seed with an underperforming Malkin, a mediocre D, two Russians who performed at career worsts (Feds and Poni), and a 38 year old guy without wheels. so, do we really need to plop Tangradi in and let him be tested by fire? i say bring him and have him ready for April, not October.
I’m a big-picture guy. the goal is to win the SC, not to have an awesome offense before the New Year
by mcnulty4prez on Aug 20, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda see this as a make or break year for TK. will he develop into a viable top-6 forward, or is he going to be a career grinder?
Agreed. I see this as a make or break year for Max on the Pens. If he has a productive year, he’ll get resigned, if not well…
Also, it’s going be a big year for Letang. Not a make or break year, but a year where we get to see what he’s really made of.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 20, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Tanger not so much… But it would be nice to see him step up to earn that contract… If anything, pressure’s off for him thanks to the inclusion of M & M… If he picks up anything from them, it’s going to be a great year.
TK’s gonna have to work. But he looked promising before the injury hit. So I have high hopes for him. If he’s good for 20-25 goals, I’d deem him a great success… Who knows, he might even push 30…
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If anything, pressure’s off for him thanks to the inclusion of M & M…
Well, the defensive pressure. He’s going to be the most relied upon guy in terms of offense on the defense this season.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Between him, GoGo & Martin, I think we’ve enough to offset the loss of Gonchar…
If Tanger can improve on the 30 points he tallied in 09, it’s to be expected. I even think he can push 50 or 60… He’s got a lot of time on his hands… No real rush or panic if he doesn’t look like Seabrook by the post-season yet…
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Letang and friends
We all knew that once the Letang extension was inked that Gonchar was gone. Letang is seen as the new PP QB. I like his patience and vision and even passing. He has a nice rising shot but only hits the net about 13% of the time. As for Asham very underrated, soft hands and great hockey intelligence and for all we know Shero couldn’t get any of the other UFA wingers and honestly the only good addition the Pens would have been Stempinak or Karyia. Svatos would have been a bust. So, getting grit and smarts for 700K is better than nothing. As for TK he has the potential but hes physically WEAK. I recall him getting 35 points in just over 65 games not bad but he hasnt played more than 70 games ever!!!!!
by Geno McFleury on Aug 21, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Great train of thought- you could spend $700k on a skill player that has a lot of warts and might bust out, or you could give it to a very honest, hard working physical guy that can’t put up 60 points but will contribute something.
That’s definitely what Shero did here.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 21, 2010 1:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lmao
wow.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
well, the egg is on my face
i hope it’s not the kind that kills.
my bad.
by mcnulty4prez on Aug 21, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Cooke Staal Malkin would be one heck of a line actually. Cooke and Staal work great together. Cooke knows his role when hes out there, He’ll do all the dirty work that Geno doesnt like to do and Staalsy is a beast down low….maybe I’m alone here but I think that would be a great line. Sure Cooke isnt an ideal top 6 forward, but they dont need everyone to be scorers. Someone has to do the dirty work, and Cookie does that great. The Staal Malkin combo has grown on me a little bit. I still think it limits Geno, but he has the talent to be a 50g scorer and this might be the best way to get him to do it.
by genomachine-O on Aug 24, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Wish there was a “let’s see” option. I hope I get to liking him by the time I have to name a cocktail after something he does. (See link in my sig if you don’t know what I’m talking about.)
"Darling, you say Brooks Orpik 'checked' that guy. He did not 'get under him and put him into the wall'."--Beloved to me, Winter 2007
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Asham’s one of those guys always in the middle of things.
I have no doubt he throws a huge hit, fights a beauty of a fight or scores a game winner by November that makes you get creative and invent some awesome drink for him. :)
(You can come back and quote me on that)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 21, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Always In The Middle Of Things
And a pain in the ass.
What a weird signing. Wonder what Shero was thinking??
God—now we have to root and cheer for a former Orange scum-bag on our team. (that’s what I see when I think of the Flyers: Orange uck.)
What is the world coming to?!!
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 21, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
We supported Fedotenko, didn’t we? He was a former Flyer.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we picked him up from Tampa
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Rick Tocchet and Kjell Samuelsson came to Pittsburgh from Philly and they’re two of the more popular Pens alums from that era.
Hell, even Johan Hedberg — one of the most popular players in franchise history — was drafted by the Flyers. He never played there in the NHL, but still.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
But I Wonder
What AA thinks of the whole thing?
I always wonder what the players actually think, or how they feel, good or bad.
It will be interesting to see what he does and how he responds and what he contributes to the Pens.
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 21, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a professional
it’s going to be business as usual.
If it isn’t, he’s got problem past the physical part of playing hockey.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Some Players
Make it known that they are angry or pissed off about being traded. Case in point: when the Avs here traded Alex Tanguay to Calgary, he won livid. First game the Flames played vs Avs he scored two goals. He had something to prove. He got his point across.
I was refering to what they really thought or felt, with close family and friends. Most are pros and respect the game too much to be idiots.
But some love where they are playing and feel like they got shit on when they are traded, etc.
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t traded, he CHOSE to come here, so I’d imagine he feels pretty good about it.
A solid role-player like that probably had multiple offers.
On the whole trading part, it’s gotta be pretty harsh finding out you’ve been traded to some club on the other side of the continent! Bye bye house, bye bye neighborhood, bye bye friends, bye bye family. But then, I’m not gonna feel TOO bad for multi-millionaires. Must be tough for the guys on minimum-salary, the rookies and the career AHLers, though. But, the ones I really feel bad for, are all the kids caught up in it. At least the gf’s or wives chose it, but the kids were just born into it.
I agree Skyff, Asham chose to come to Pittsburgh so obviously he’s not going to have reservations about how the fans will receive him.
And given the popularity amongst Penguins fans for the rough and tumble players (Ulf, Barnaby, Ruutu, Roberts, etc) Asham could very well be a fan favorite in no time.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 23, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Goddard maybe gonzo. Realistically nobody in the minor league team is "ready for the jump’ , Ok. maybe they’ll fill in a game or 2. Considering cap room, and the absence on Billy G. I think is a good deal by Shero. You do not want your star players doing the fighting, no matter how big they are. Agree with Hooks on this one.
Stempniak will be signed by Phoenix or the Isles, Torres by Toronto, Kariya by the Ducks, all for more money that Shero has available. No one is going to give O’Sullivan or Svatos one-way contracts, they will be training camp invites (perhaps by the Pens). Asham is a great signing under the circumstances, his game "fits" the Pens style — he hits, he agitates, he goes to the net, he fights, can play either wing. He’ll be a true enforcer like Rupp, not a goon like Goddard. Can’t wait to see him take on Hartnell and Carcillo. He was a real factor in the Flyers playoff run, had at least 1, maybe 2 game winners.
I agree with your player movement.
Personally, I would bring O’Sullivan or Svatos in one a very low money deal, if they’d accept. As I wrote above the Pens have 5 top six forwards and a guy like O’Sullivan could have something to offer in terms of skill that no other natural winger on the team has. And if worst comes to worst, Chris Bourque him out of town and you’re no worse for wear.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I wouldnt rule out one of those guys or someone like that getting a tryout contract with the Pens.
by genomachine-O on Aug 24, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
AA
I think AA is a good pick-up and RS worked his magic again. Who wants to play the Pens now in the playoffs—even without a bonafide winger signing, they are too skilled and too tough, offensively and defensively…I do think however, that TK will be packaged and traded along with Goddard. He is just too spotty and inconsistent to really cement his value to the team—plus he’ll probably go to arbitration next year and that’s something the Pens will avoid at all costs. What’s the deal with AA and Cookie Monster?
I do think however, that TK will be packaged and traded along with Goddard. He is just too spotty and inconsistent to really cement his value to the team
I could see that happening as well. However, I’d be pretty disappointed to see them let TK go. With the way he played before getting hurt last year, I don’t think we’ve seen the best of him.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta give him this- he always plays his heart out.
we're not trading jordan staal.
by katielynn906 on Aug 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think however, that TK will be packaged and traded along with Goddard
I’d be surprised if that happens. For Kennedy’s really low cap hit, he brings a lot to the table. This could be his last year in town, but if the Pens wanted to rid themselves of Godard, I bet they waive him and pay his salary in the minors if no one claims. $750k isn’t the worst bullet to take for them, especially now in the new arena with all the new revenue they will generate.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Good depth signing
wanted Asham at the trade deadline, and we got him for cheaper than what he is really worth, so I am very happy!
Every day is a great day for hockey!
Before the Asham signing their 12 forwards would’ve been Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz, Dupuis, Tangradi, Talbot, Cooke, Kennedy, Rupp, Adams and Godard.
With the Asham signing it is now Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz, Dupuis, Tangradi, Talbot, Cooke, Kennedy, Rupp, Adams and now Asham possilby replacing Godard which isn’t bad. Godard is an enforcer. Asham is an enforcer but he can play the game a little too. He’s a perfect fourth liner and a better option than Godard.
With this group of 12 forwards plus Martin, Michalek, Orpik, Letang, Goligoski and Lovejoy on defense. Fleury and Johnson in goal this team has the talent to be the best in the league. If Tangradi drives to the net, uses his body and simply works hard thenhis transition will come quick. Talent beats experience any day. If Dupuis plays the way he did in the 2nd half of the season he should score 20-25 goals.
Bylsma changes the lines pretty often but I could see this:
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Tangradi-Staal-Malkin
Cooke-Talbot-Kennedy
Rupp-Adams-Asham
Martin-Michalek
Orpik-Letang
Goligoski-Lovejoy
Fleury
Johnson
Guerin..
Looks like Guerin might not be completely out of the picture. Per the Pittsburgh Tribune:
“The chances of either Tangradi or Jeffrey starting the season in the NHL would take a hit if the Penguins bring back right wing Bill Guerin.
“I told our coaches we’ll make a decision on Billy next week,” Shero said. “I’ve spoken with his agent the past couple of days.”"
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_695872.html
I didn’t see any mention of this above, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t miss it.
Asham
Would have rather seen Shero take a chance on a winger like O’Sullivan. Asham would make more sense if we didn’t already have Rupp. I would think Godard is done. Don’t want Guerin back – it’s time for Tangradi to step up.
From what I’ve been watching on Youtube, Asham seems to be sneaky scorer. Either he sneaks behind the D or he comes out of nowhere to the front of the net.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
I don’t care if he bounces on his head down the ice and pokes it in with his tongue, as long as he scores.
Interesting observation though! Sneaky goals are nice.
Happens so fast that I didn’t really see it.
Sneaked behind the D.
Came in from the the half wall to the front of the net, a second late,r he scores.
He found a dead spot to sneak through on this pretty play.
He again found a spot in no man’s land.
This one is just ridiculous.
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by PensFan8725 on Aug 21, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn tastycakes. Nice goals though. He seems to have a real knack for moving into open space at just the right time. I’ll be looking forward to seeing him do that for the Pens!
And LOL just before closing the window on the 3rd video I heard “and where did Martin Skoula go??” .. ah, brings back memories.
That last goal is sweet.
I am pretty sure you will all love Asham. He has his moments where his hands are like bricks coated in concrete, but he’ll still be doing all the other important things. He is also a great team guy, during the playoffs he was nearly always the last man on the ice after congratulating the whole team as the walked off.
Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.
Thanks for your input.
I’m still a bit puzzled by the signing just because it wasn’t what I was expecting (and that has nothing to do with him being a Flyer), but I believe other transactions/signings are going to occur in the future. I’m liking what Asham brings to the table, so far. A guy with some more offensive skills than you’d expect, an agitator, and a locker room guy.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That too.
He seems like one of those guys who’s sort of under-appreciated and you won’t fully appreciate all that he does until he’s gone.
I don’t know if I’m on the right track here, but it just seems that way to me.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i think that’s totally right
and the comments from Flyers’ fans supports you as well
Asham also had 4 goals in the playoffs
he’s the type of player you want on your team when the going gets tough
he’s strong on the boards — like Fedotenko was SUPPOSED to be (but wasn’t)
and he scored essentially the same # of goals and Tenk while playing on Philly’s 4th line (instead of being centered by Malkin)
its a great signing. esp. for the money.
advanced lines talk
This isn’t really worthy of a Fan Shot ( I am still new around here and am a little anxious )but I am going to put this out there, here are my opinions of how ALL of our lineups will look…Offense Defense PK and PP, I wil use numbers to reduce all the danged spelling. ( I also am holding out hope Billy G will come back , but did not include him, he will show up on the first PP and possibly second wing if he comes back )
Offense
14 – 87 – 9
11 – 71 – 25/38
24 – 25/38 – 48
45 – 27 – 17
Defense
7 – 4
44 – 58
3 – 6
PP #1
9 – 87 – 71
7 – 58
PP #2
25 – 11 – 45/17
4 – 3
PK #1
11 – 24
7 – 44
PK #2
27 – 9/45
4 – 6/58
I view Asham as a PK guy which could allow more space for Duper on the PP.
Also Lovejoy can be used on the PK to allower Tanger to focus on the PP.
Basically, Asham clears up a lot of shady areas in the lineup, and last but not least, I beleive that based off of the 2010 playoffs, that we will see Letestu not Tangradi called up this year.
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I beleive that based off of the 2010 playoffs, that we will see Letestu not Tangradi called up this year.
Possibly, but it’s going to depend on roster need. Letestu is definitely the #1 center prospect candidate, but with Crosby/Staal/Talbot/Adams — to say nothing of Malkin — there might not be an open space for him.
Tangradi’s in the mix for a winger spot, but so are guys like Jeffrey, Johnson, Conner and even maybe Sterling or Craig if they really wow at camp. If Tangradi is the best option, and the Pens still need a forward, it’ll be him. If the need is for another center, it’ll be Letestu.
That’s the way I see it unfolding anyways. Other than that, I like your lines. Talbot will have a bigger PK role than you mention, and I think Goligoski will probably figure into the top PP a little more too.
Also, not so sure Pascal Dupuis will pull top PP minutes. The Pens use Staal a lot, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to incorporate him a little more in front of the net to fill the Guerin role from seasons past. If not, it’ll be Kunitz before Dupuis most likely.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
The Pens use Staal a lot, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to incorporate him a little more in front of the net to fill the Guerin role from seasons past.
Now that it looks like it’s Malkin to the wing, I think Staal will be seeing more PP time. I hadn’t thought about that since you mentioned it. Because having three centers out there doesn’t make sense, but two and a wing….
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Positionally (with 3 centers) I’m not worried, power play is a different beast. Crosby is going to set up on the half-wall, technically a winger position really, so it’s no big deal.
What concerns me is Staal’s workload. Last year he played 19:23 a game, the 49th most minutes for a forward. Staal played more time per game than guys like Jeff Carter, Patrick Kane, Alex Semin and Marian Hossa. And those are tough minutes too — 3:20 on the PK (3rd most among forwards) and 14:08 at even strength.
Staal’s young and in great shape, but playing in front of the net in like a Holmstrom/Guerin role is the most taxing place for the power play and you have to pay the price. If he plays another minute there per game, does that drop his PK role down some? And is that best for the team?
Some legit questions there with no easy answers.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 23, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Geno may have taken over the half boards spot. Not really because he is better than Crosby there, but thats just where Geno seems to be the most effective. I think Sid will be down low again. The Pens PP has been better in the playoffs than the regular season the last couple years and I think thats because Genos on the half wall and Sid down low. Now whether they want Sid to take the beating of playing down low for an entire season is up for debate. But I dont see 71 87 & 11 all on the first PP.
Now I doubt this will happen, but if Tangradi makes the team out of camp, front of the net 1st PP I think is waiting for him. If he doesnt make the team out of camp I think it could have a big effect on personel and strategy on the PP. No Tangradi, then I see Kunitz or even Asham getting the front of the net position. It will be intersting to see how the PP will shake down, with no Gonch and no Yeo, how much of the PP will change?
When do we start worrying about Staal being ready for the season… Last I heard about 1 week ago, he still was not able to start training for the season due to his foot still recovering….when is it time to start worrying?
by genomachine-O on Aug 25, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, I’ll take any PP configuration as long as Geno is not on the point.
by genomachine-O on Aug 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought (i could be wrong) that it wasn’t rehab holding him back, it was more getting into shape. that’s why he couldn’t go to haiti with talbot and rupp. but, again, i could be wrong.
we're not trading jordan staal.
by katielynn906 on Aug 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Marek Svatos at 900k - 1.1 mill
to round out the top 6, please?
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Yes To Svatos!
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 21, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
do we even have 900K to work with? I thought it was 700k after AA was signed…
But yes to Svatos…
Is it October yet?
Just so I never have to answer this again. I'm from Singapore so whenever you see me online, I'm either sleep deprived or just waking up.
Of course the money is there.
According to capgeek we’re sitting comfortably at $1.474mil cap space with Tangradi on the team. Remove his cap hit and you’re at $2.32mil with 13 forwards and 6 defensemen.
Sign Svatos for a mil and you’ve got $1.32mil for callups, a 7th defenseman on the roster or a trade deadline acquisition.
And that is with Godard still on the roster.
yeap we can do it!
DO IT!
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 22, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure enough either way to take your bet, but it will certainly be interesting to see how all this plays out.
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
I don’t know. It would be nice to have the cap hit off the books, but we have to be realistic. Rupp is a big guy, but he’s not an enforcer. And Asham is a good fighter, but he is under-sized against true enforcers like Derek Boogaard and Jody Shelley.
I fear we might end up regretting not having Godsy on the team, when playing against Philly or the Rangers.
I think the “enforcer” role is more of a dog and pony show now anyway. The guy get on the ice with the other enforcer, tip the hat, then do a 2 minute show that justifies their pay-check. If you need to protect Crosby, there are plenty of guys already on the team that will do the dance.
Totally agree. If you don’t have an enforcer on your team, then you likely don’t end up with the obligatory enforcer-fight. But there are plenty of guys both willing and able to step in and fight if they need to. And we all know you don’t need to actually win a fight to turn the tide in a game …
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
Enforcer / Translator
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 22, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
I complained in years past that Asham was the type of player that shouldn’t even dress in the NHL.
I’m not going to change my tune now that he’s wearing black and gold. I’m actually ashamed of this move.
well then
what did you think when Cooke was brought in?
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually ashamed of this move
So, you’re Asham(ed) of it?
Hopefully, he proves all his doubters wrong.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He just needs to bug the crap out of the opposing team, is all.
Then he will have earned his keep.
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by PensFanInDenver on Aug 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
If he does something like this, I will love him instantly.
I believe this made NBC/TSN go to the “push to talk” mic for the between the bench mic on Pierre. Now, instead of the audio guys having control of the on/off button, Pierre (or whoever’s there) pushes a button when he wants to say something.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
by PensFan8725 on Aug 22, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he will be a great addition…if you watched any of the OrangeTrash during the playoffs, you will know Asham was one of their MVP’s…most Flyer fans are really upset over this…imagine another Matt Cooke with a slightly improved ( nothing against Cooke, he is more of an agitator ) scoring touch = Asham
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the signing
I would start Letestu on the 4th line and sometimes subbing and mixing in Tangradi for him and using him on the 3rd line. Godard can be used occasionally when needed.
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Kunitz – Crosby – Kennedy
Dupuis – Staal – Malkin
Cooke – Talbot – Asham
Rupp – Letestu – Adams
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Kunitz – Crosby – Kennedy
Dupuis – Staal – Malkin
Cooke – Talbot – Tangradi
Rupp – Adams – Asham
Shero on Asham
“he can play up and down the lineup”
as far as lines…i think you’ll see something like this:
Kunitz – Crosby – _?_
_?_ – Staal – Malkin
Cooke – Talbot – _?_
Rupp – _?_ – _?_
with the blanks TBD during camp
and then juggled a bunch during the season, of course
incl. possibly playing Talbot on a wing and Staal at 3C
about the only things that seem to be written in ink are Kunitz-Crosby on the 1st line and Rupp at 4LW (usually)
Juggling lines
annoys me and mucks up the chemistry, I really hope we figure out ( at least ) the top 3 lines, with Staal at 2c and Geno on the right wing with him.The 4th with Godard/Asham can work itself out…as far as I see it Godard is gone. If it comes down to him vs Asham at camp, Asham will destroy him in the “skills” department. If we do keep Godard around, its obviously to start some sort of conference wide Fight Club.
First rule of fight club, no one talks about fight club!
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by Slo-mo Malkin on Aug 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Dio, I think they’re gonna ride the hot hands and let whoever’s in a groove and playing strong rotate all over the place.
I wouldn’t worry about chemistry issues too much — this is a team that’s largely been together for years now and through practice, regular season and post-season games they’ve been through the grind together.
Plus if worst comes to worst, the “real” 3rd line can always be reunited and other pieces can be shifted to give a temporary boost.
Teams are pretty fluid these days, I wouldn’t be too concerned about on-ice chemistry. The players have a strong rapport and a very long season to figure it out anyways. If they don’t click in October/November it’s not the end of the world, because hopefully the situation will improve by the time April/May rolls around.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree for the most part, but I do think that Malkin needs some consistency in terms of linemates. The Malkin-Staal thing will no doubt help with this, but my point is that they need to find something that works for him so that he’s not constantly trying to do it all by himself.
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
Shero still not done?
I’m very positive about the signing of AA. And have been even back when Belanger was all the talk. Toughness with skill is an important addition to this team, very much lacking last year. Is Shero finished? I feel something else in the works…a trade or maybe just plain waivers to free up more cap, to then sign a Top 6, ie Belanger or equal. No one currently other than the few obvious are Top 6 quality. Pens have an abundance of role players and FA should be getting “cheaper” at this late date. I see TK, Max and Godard as expendable and so to one of the WB/S hopefuls. What would a Dup package be worth? There is still an opening for a Top 6, not saying anyone above is wrong in their opinion, I just don’t feel they have formulated this years team yet.
I honestly don’t know what to think about the moves that Shero might yet make, but the trouble with a trade is that you have to give up value to get value — which means it’s not likely going to be role players that get traded for a top six winger. And it would be surprising (to say the least) if Shero traded away another prospect or two in part of an attempt to get a winger. Besides which, it’s not like there are teams just sitting around with too many top six guys, wondering what they have to do to get rid of them. It’s a different story at the trade deadline, because teams that are out of the playoff picture are willing to sacrifice some of their skill in return for some future value. That’s not really the case at this time of year.
I suppose an alternative would be for Shero to try and trade something away for prospects, as a sort of salary dump. But I just don’t see a trade of players like TK (after the year he had) and Godard as netting enough value in return. Also, I’m going to pretend you didn’t say anything about Max, because he should neverever leave.
Perhaps Shero will try and co-opt one or two free agents into coming to training camp, just to see what they can provide. And then, perhaps, he’ll get a good deal.
Shero gets an A. Burkie gets a checkmark.
I somehow completely missed this signing.
And I love it. Love it, love it, love it.
For that salary, for his hard work, for his ability to put up some offensive numbers (consistently 20 points/season), and for his ability to knock someone’s block off, this is a great addition to the team.
Tangradi’s still going to be playing for the Pens this year, and I don’t see any other player close that this one-year contract is going to push someone away from making the jump.
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